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Brainwashed sheep being mad that not everyone is a Nazi like them is so common lately, shows a lot about humans and itâs genuinely sad how braindead the average person is.
Iâd like to say itâs wild that so many are passing blame onto Israel for âdeclaring to represent all Jews,â but it isnât wild at all. Itâs expected by how extreme social media has become. Despicable.
They just conveniently ignore how the moment Israel was established it was go time for the entire Arab world to start persecuting their own Jews in response to their humiliation in the 48â war.
Whether they like it or not, for the Arab world (and for the rest of those who hate Jews), Israel does represent all Jews. It is why antisemitism is so rampant in the Arab world, a claim that is uncontested, even by Muslims. Had it not been, weâd have millions of Jews living in the middle east, not forced to become zionists out of necessity to survive and be protected, which Zionism successfully implements.
1.) The Arab side rejected the plan as a fundamental violation of their right to self-determination and as an unjust expropriation of their land. A significant portion of the population living in the proposed Jewish state was Arab, which the Arab leadership considered unacceptable. At the time of the partition plan, Arabs comprised approximately two-thirds of Palestine's total population and owned the majority of private land. However, the UN plan stipulated that the Jewish state should receive approximately 56% of the territory, even though the Jewish population constituted only about one-third of the total population and owned only about 7% of the private land.
Now tell me: Would you have agreed to that plan if you were Arab? I don't think so!
2.) About "losing land":
The international community, including the United Nations and the International Court of Justice, considers the settlements in the occupied territories to be illegal under international law, as international law prohibits the forced displacement of people and does not justify the occupation of territory by military force. In a 2024 advisory opinion, the International Court of Justice again declared the settlements illegal.
1) I understand why Arab leaders rejected the plan, but rejecting it doesnât erase the consequence of choosing war over partition. Many post-colonial borders were unfair; most were resolved by compromise, not total rejection followed by war.
2) youâre shifting decades forward. 1948 wasnât about settlements; it was about two states. The displacement happened in the context of a war initiated after rejection of partition. Later settlement policy is a separate, debatable issue but it doesnât retroactively change how the 1948 war began, and how that affected israels policy and effort to not be destroyed
My point isnât that it was âfair,â but that wars have outcomes, and history shows they arenât undone generations later.
So Jews are supposed to wait around until Non-Jews pull their heads out of their behinds to grant us equal rights? By the Grace of the Goyim? Or, more likely, they'll say "Oops, too bad, it's been 2000, get over yourselves!" Meanwhile, antisemites continue to hurt, oppress, and kill us, and the rest either go along willingly or wring their hands shouting "somebody stop them!" and not do anything else! And then turn dead Jews into some great lesson that Humanity has surely learned this time about being nicer to each other.
They rejected negotiations or the existence of any state of Israel or even an autonomous Jewish territory within an Arab country. At the same time they didn't exactly signal equal citizenship with protection of rights or binational state as an alternative. The territory allocated to Israel was over 50% because it included the Sinai dessert which makes up most of Israel even today and is still less populated then other parts of Israel despite efforts to change that.Â
Well, I think it's a very sad combination of being used to believe what they are told and a quite well planned hate campaign for most.
I think a lot of people aren't exactly Nazis. There are lots of them as well, sure. But all those people who screech around are doing it out of genuine concern. As one can see, because as soon as they get asked for facts, they have zero idea what the fuck is even going on. They just once heard about "the Jews want to kill everyone" and somehow went with it.
Though, I have to admit, when kind of every single newspaper around you tells the same propaganda, it's kind of hard not to believe that shit.
>which are largely viewed as genocidal by human rights organizations and leading genocide researchers.
I love how the braindead pro palis love to say "leading genocide researchers"
Its always the LEADING researchers, like the Messi of researchers
It can never just be researchers, because then the research isn't significant enough and can be disputed.
When literally the ICJ, the only org that their saying matters, claim it isnt
One of the most antisemitic subreddits currently. There are also spreading lies about Bremen ("Siding with the genociders"), the only thing they have done is remembering their Israeli civilian friends, who were murdered by Hamas (context is in my other comment in this thread)
R-soccer wouldn't happen to be one of those subreddits that shares mods from r-Palestine? There was a circle spokes-like map of overlapping moderators and subreddits going around a few years ago.
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The problem is that Israel itself doesnât want this separation [the separation between the terms âIsraelâ and âJewsâ], so that they can claim antisemitism every time they are criticized.
God the mind gymnastics in the comments is something else
And yet, when Jihadists claim they speak and fight for true Islam, it would be wrong to start shooting up mosques in response, no matter how hateful the imams are and what they preach. It would be wrong to interrogate every Muslim on the street if s/he supports the Jihadists.
But that consideration is almost never offered to us Jews.
I don't see any mind gymnastics there. I just see mind gymnastics calling people anti semites when they dared to criticize the state of Israel. That's some pretty concerning mind gymnastics.
My dad was born in Morocco, outside of said âapartheid stateâ. Even though Morocco became independent around 1956 and Jews were promised complete freedom, the local government and people have worsened their situation by pogroms and prejudice, ALL WHILE the Arab League prohibited Jews from running away to a safe haven (Israel).
Today, if I wasnât âan occupierâ, i couldâve easily been another one of the poor people who got shot at Sydney.
Because Israel doesnât apply to me and in Morocco people hate me.
So as a Jew, in your eyes, I donât deserve Israel, but you, the enlightened one, still stab us and shoot us. How is Israel not necessary again? đ
Edit: also, sorry to be THAT GUY, but itâs rich to see your comment coming from a German. Might want to check what your grandfather has in his closet
Iâm banned from r soccer because one of the mods didnât like my football opinion lol. This place is a cesspool, I donât even want to look at the comments.
I support Barcelona. I had this whole row with a Madrid fan after we beat them in the final of a tournament. Tbf I said some regrettable things lol, but certainly nothing permanent ban-worthy. Half of the mods there are Madrid fans who also happen to be very sore losers.
I had been temp banned plenty of times haha, I think that was the final chance for me. Either way it doesnât matter, that sub is just full of awful people (who donât know anything about football OR politics). R football is slightly better (but not much), so I just stick to my clubâs specific subs.
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Goddamn i love my hometown. Sending Solidarity to all jews from Bremen.
auf gehts! bremen is now for a year already! my 3rd club! and hoping to visit soon. from a maccabi fan đ
Theyâre not going to like that in r/soccerâŚ
Brainwashed sheep being mad that not everyone is a Nazi like them is so common lately, shows a lot about humans and itâs genuinely sad how braindead the average person is.
Iâd like to say itâs wild that so many are passing blame onto Israel for âdeclaring to represent all Jews,â but it isnât wild at all. Itâs expected by how extreme social media has become. Despicable.
They just conveniently ignore how the moment Israel was established it was go time for the entire Arab world to start persecuting their own Jews in response to their humiliation in the 48â war.
Whether they like it or not, for the Arab world (and for the rest of those who hate Jews), Israel does represent all Jews. It is why antisemitism is so rampant in the Arab world, a claim that is uncontested, even by Muslims. Had it not been, weâd have millions of Jews living in the middle east, not forced to become zionists out of necessity to survive and be protected, which Zionism successfully implements.
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brother you have your facts all wrong.
israel accepted the 48 partition plan, it was the arab side that started a war.
and yes, when you lose a war you lose land
and yes, when you lose land people are displaced.
it happened to millions of people (ww2, fall of soviet, yugoslavia) but they got on with it.
1.) The Arab side rejected the plan as a fundamental violation of their right to self-determination and as an unjust expropriation of their land. A significant portion of the population living in the proposed Jewish state was Arab, which the Arab leadership considered unacceptable. At the time of the partition plan, Arabs comprised approximately two-thirds of Palestine's total population and owned the majority of private land. However, the UN plan stipulated that the Jewish state should receive approximately 56% of the territory, even though the Jewish population constituted only about one-third of the total population and owned only about 7% of the private land.
Now tell me: Would you have agreed to that plan if you were Arab? I don't think so!
2.) About "losing land":
The international community, including the United Nations and the International Court of Justice, considers the settlements in the occupied territories to be illegal under international law, as international law prohibits the forced displacement of people and does not justify the occupation of territory by military force. In a 2024 advisory opinion, the International Court of Justice again declared the settlements illegal.
1) I understand why Arab leaders rejected the plan, but rejecting it doesnât erase the consequence of choosing war over partition. Many post-colonial borders were unfair; most were resolved by compromise, not total rejection followed by war.
2) youâre shifting decades forward. 1948 wasnât about settlements; it was about two states. The displacement happened in the context of a war initiated after rejection of partition. Later settlement policy is a separate, debatable issue but it doesnât retroactively change how the 1948 war began, and how that affected israels policy and effort to not be destroyed
My point isnât that it was âfair,â but that wars have outcomes, and history shows they arenât undone generations later.
So Jews are supposed to wait around until Non-Jews pull their heads out of their behinds to grant us equal rights? By the Grace of the Goyim? Or, more likely, they'll say "Oops, too bad, it's been 2000, get over yourselves!" Meanwhile, antisemites continue to hurt, oppress, and kill us, and the rest either go along willingly or wring their hands shouting "somebody stop them!" and not do anything else! And then turn dead Jews into some great lesson that Humanity has surely learned this time about being nicer to each other.
F- that.
They rejected negotiations or the existence of any state of Israel or even an autonomous Jewish territory within an Arab country. At the same time they didn't exactly signal equal citizenship with protection of rights or binational state as an alternative. The territory allocated to Israel was over 50% because it included the Sinai dessert which makes up most of Israel even today and is still less populated then other parts of Israel despite efforts to change that.Â
Well, I think it's a very sad combination of being used to believe what they are told and a quite well planned hate campaign for most.
I think a lot of people aren't exactly Nazis. There are lots of them as well, sure. But all those people who screech around are doing it out of genuine concern. As one can see, because as soon as they get asked for facts, they have zero idea what the fuck is even going on. They just once heard about "the Jews want to kill everyone" and somehow went with it.
Though, I have to admit, when kind of every single newspaper around you tells the same propaganda, it's kind of hard not to believe that shit.
The mods of soccer are definitely evil people who are not doing bare minimum to stop antisemitism on that subreddit.
They don't even understand what a (Neo-)Nazi is. Being antisemitic is a core part of that ideology and as a consequence of that, they hate Israel.
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>which are largely viewed as genocidal by human rights organizations and leading genocide researchers.
I love how the braindead pro palis love to say "leading genocide researchers"
Its always the LEADING researchers, like the Messi of researchers
It can never just be researchers, because then the research isn't significant enough and can be disputed.
When literally the ICJ, the only org that their saying matters, claim it isnt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T44DebmlvNs
One of the most antisemitic subreddits currently. There are also spreading lies about Bremen ("Siding with the genociders"), the only thing they have done is remembering their Israeli civilian friends, who were murdered by Hamas (context is in my other comment in this thread)
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is that what's happening in r/soccer? if that's what you call "criticizing" i am afraid of what your definition of activism is
That place is a cesspool, and the mods there are even more pathetic than the average ones (no offense). Just gonna leave this unhinged post here and remind you once again that this is supposed to be a sub about football.
Yeah Ive been a sub there for years enjoying my football content.Â
when October 7 started I was shocked by the amount of hate and I got banned in the process of trying to defend my country for genocide denial.Â
R-soccer wouldn't happen to be one of those subreddits that shares mods from r-Palestine? There was a circle spokes-like map of overlapping moderators and subreddits going around a few years ago.
The comments seem pretty mixed
got banned from there over antisem
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Glad to see there are still those types of ppl in the world đĽš
God the mind gymnastics in the comments is something else
lol i saw that too
did you like the "human shield" comment?
no mention of israel in that post too, the mask is fully off
And yet, when Jihadists claim they speak and fight for true Islam, it would be wrong to start shooting up mosques in response, no matter how hateful the imams are and what they preach. It would be wrong to interrogate every Muslim on the street if s/he supports the Jihadists.
But that consideration is almost never offered to us Jews.
I don't see any mind gymnastics there. I just see mind gymnastics calling people anti semites when they dared to criticize the state of Israel. That's some pretty concerning mind gymnastics.
Riddle me this though.
My dad was born in Morocco, outside of said âapartheid stateâ. Even though Morocco became independent around 1956 and Jews were promised complete freedom, the local government and people have worsened their situation by pogroms and prejudice, ALL WHILE the Arab League prohibited Jews from running away to a safe haven (Israel).
Today, if I wasnât âan occupierâ, i couldâve easily been another one of the poor people who got shot at Sydney. Because Israel doesnât apply to me and in Morocco people hate me.
not to mention pogroms and shootings at France, Germany, Poland, Russia, the US too, [the list goes on](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom)
So as a Jew, in your eyes, I donât deserve Israel, but you, the enlightened one, still stab us and shoot us. How is Israel not necessary again? đ
Edit: also, sorry to be THAT GUY, but itâs rich to see your comment coming from a German. Might want to check what your grandfather has in his closet
more context: Werder Bremens Ultras have friendly ties to Israeli football fans. 2 friends of them, Inbar Haiman and Hersh Goldberg-Polin, were murdered by Hamas. Both were honoured by the Ultras with tifos: https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/18m8d40/werder_bremen_ultras_tifo_in_remembrance_of_inbar/
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1fm3lrm/werder_bremen_ultras_with_a_huge_tifo_in/
Iâm banned from r soccer because one of the mods didnât like my football opinion lol. This place is a cesspool, I donât even want to look at the comments.
yeah that sub is an antisemitic echo chamber and the mods are banning people left and right from what i heard
didnât look at the comments either, i can imagine what it looks like
What was your opinion? I know soccer fans can be unhinged, how "bad" was it?
I support Barcelona. I had this whole row with a Madrid fan after we beat them in the final of a tournament. Tbf I said some regrettable things lol, but certainly nothing permanent ban-worthy. Half of the mods there are Madrid fans who also happen to be very sore losers.
I had been temp banned plenty of times haha, I think that was the final chance for me. Either way it doesnât matter, that sub is just full of awful people (who donât know anything about football OR politics). R football is slightly better (but not much), so I just stick to my clubâs specific subs.
The comments in the original post are deeply steeped in Jew hate âšď¸
The comments section there is all about blaming israel for making people believe that hating iarael equates hating jews.
What has come of reddit for the love of god.
sadly, a relative large number of people hate Jews. now, they have a platform they can share that without repercussions
this is really copping hard from the sub that baned me for suporting my national team
I hope it is... because you could totally read this the other way.
It says standing with Sydney using the same colored cloth and same writing style beneath it.
Brave of you to post it on that subreddit
I like to live dangerously
It might be interesting to hear for some that the fan scene of this particular club is generally considered to be far left leaning.
that's actually surprising, but well done
Honestly, I'm surprised they haven't taken down this post, given all their previous posts. But it's very brave of you to have posted it there!
I'm not going to the comments. I've heard so much about this sub
The comments there has unsettling amount of dog whistles form calling isreal colonial state and more.