Hey all,

Considering the move to an international school job in Japan next year. I've lived there previously and worked as an ALT and my wife is Japanese. Just wondering what the pay and conditions are like in intl schools?

Would love to hear from some ppl living the life and those who've lived it, whether you loved it or hated it!

Cheers.

  • Do you have all the necessary qualifications for an international school job? Experience as an ALT is secondary compared to that teaching certificate that lets you teach in your country of origin.

    What kind of ALT were you? Are you a member of the JET alumni master race or a member of Interacs Anonymous?

    Yes, I'm a qualified high school teacher in my home country.

    I was on JET ten or so years ago.

  • Username does not check out for Japan.

    There are a lot of posts on this topic on the forum, including specific schools and discussions of money, and you should really search through them.

    Others have talked about the barrier to entry in Japanese international schools. Nothing to add there — the really good ones have a very high bar, and even the bad ones are higher than you’d expect. There are essentially five classes of international school in Japan — the handful of top schools in Tokyo (ASIJ, YIS, TIS, BST) and Canadian in Kobe, the good community schools in smaller cities (Nagoya, Hokkaido, Fukuoka), the mid-to-low-level schools in the big metros (Tokyo/Osaka), the startups and failures in greater Tokyo, and the handful of new British boarding schools out in the middle of nowhere. Conditions are very different in each of those classes of school, and rather than retype the thousands of words I’ve written on the topic, I would encourage you to do a forum search for the relevant posts.

    Generally speaking, the first three groups listed there are good jobs. They don’t pay well in comparison to the market in other countries, but they don’t need to, and they are well above the national median. If you plan on living in Japan and don’t have debt obligations or plans to return home regularly, you’ll be fine financially. If you do, you won’t, although that may be different if you have a working spouse. Community schools tend to have good work/life balance, and people with local ties tend to stay for a long time. The fourth and fifth groups tend to have higher turnover and worse working conditions.

    You’ve lived in Japan before; you know what you’re getting into there. It’s a good place to live and work and raise kids if you don’t need to worry about money. It isn’t if you need to care about money, or if you land at one of the unhappier schools.

    Malvern College Tokyo is technically located in Tokyo Prefecture (Kodaira, specifically).

    Haha yeah I had the same thought about my username. Thanks for the astute response. I'll do a bit more specific searching in the forum.

    I can shorten this for you… good place to live… hard place to make and save money.

    It very much depends on your circumstances. I’m single with no dependents, working at a school often listed amongst the best in Japan, and am both living and saving comfortably. Definitely more difficult for families though, especially with tuition being a taxable benefit.

    Not sure when you moved to Japan but comparing your savings now to what you could have saved several years ago… same or less?

    The question that complicates this is the currency conversion factor. If you intend to keep your money in yen for a long time, and don’t have financial obligations outside of Japan, it’s gotten slightly more expensive in the last couple of years but your margins should be pretty similar. If you have to convert that into another currency, though, the yen has cratered since 2021, and isn’t coming back anytime soon, barring collapse elsewhere. So if you mostly live in Japan and exist in yen, you’re totally fine; if you have to pay a mortgage in Canadian dollars or a kid’s university tuition in USD, you’re fucked. I found it completely manageable to live and save as a single parent at a good school in a smaller city, but I’m still holding a lot of yen in hopes that the conversion rate will return to something approaching normalcy.

  • It can range widely between schools. The good ones pay well and have excellent benefits. The poor ones pay barely above ALT roles. Make sure you research schools properly before applying.

    Thanks for your response. Good to know there is a real range out there in terms of quality.

  • Depends on the school, your qualifications and experience.

    I did JET, then got my teaching license and had 4 years experience before I got my current job.

    If you’re looking at some of the top schools, you’d need a stellar CV to get an interview. IB experience is a huge plus at many of the schools.

    If you’re not licensed, you’re outta luck for decent school.

  • This really depends on where you are looking to live. The salary needed in Tokyo is much higher than say Hiroshima or Fukuoka

    Sorry I should have mentioned I was looking at Tokyo.

  • To add to the feedback from previous comments, you would need to be registered/certified/licensed in your home country and have years of experience working at legitimate schools there, or internationally, to have any chance of getting a job at a legitimate international school in Japan.

    I have lived and worked in Tokyo and was part of the hiring committee at a school I worked at, and we would have to review hundreds of applications to create a list of candidates to be interviewed. A former colleague who I’m friends with is an assistant principal at a school there now, and he said they’ve received over 1,000 applications for one advertised position.

    So, as an unqualified teacher, your chances of getting an interview would be 0.0%. If you are appropriately qualified and an experienced educator, you have about a 0.2% chance of securing a position applied for.

    To answer your question, it’s wild to think one’s chances are so low, when the salary has actually decreased by about 50% against the USD compared to ten years ago when I was there.

    Good luck and may you be in the 0 to 0.2% 🙃

    Haha yeah I'm certainly not moving over there for the money. I'm fairly sure I'll take a somewhat hefty pay cut.

    I'd like to think I've got the experience to at least get myself a look in. 😉 15 odd years, various positions of responsibility.

    So, as an unqualified teacher, your chances of getting an interview would be 0.0%. If you are appropriately qualified and an experienced educator, you have about a 0.2% chance of securing a position applied for.

    Interesting that getting qualified turns a mere teacher into an "educator".

  • Pay is pretty shit compared to other places. I could probably earn double what I make now if I moved to China.

    If wifey is Japanese you'll obviously save money because you won't have to support a spouse or worry about schooling.

    Market is completely over-saturated for non-STEM roles though, so you're gonna have to get pretty lucky or just know the right people if you wanna squeeze in amongst the bazillion English and humanities teachers wanting to make money here.

    If you can I would look at doing online tutoring and taking advantage of the favourable exchange rate.

    Thanks, this is really useful info and I'll definitely take a look into the online tutoring option... Shit, maybe I even start my own juku in my wife's hometown...

  • I taught in Tokyo for two years (this was before covid). It was a beautiful place to live. I am so grateful for my experience during those two years!

    With that said, it was challenging to save and living quarters are tight.

    But I really enjoyed my time there 😌