The space shuttle thing was a gag. The Tundra just took the slack out of the rope. The space shuttle was on several self propelled hydraulic motorized jacks. I watched them reposition the jacks to cross the 405 bridge near Randy's Donuts, just down the road from LAX, on its way to the museum where it sits today.
Ya, based on that, how little the rear end is squatting, and how far back it looks like the kingpin would sit, I suspect the truck and trailer aren't event attached, or the dude overloaded the rear of the trailer with toys to take weight off the front
It would amplify the load seen by the rear end of the truck. Toy hauler 5th wheels like the one pictured typically have 2500 to 3500 pounds of weight at the kingpin. A tundra is not rated for anywhere near that, maybe 1800 pounds best case. Then if you add a couple hundred more pounds for how far back the kingpin is, that tundra should be squatted like one of those Carolina squat trucks.
In terms of road performance, you want to divide the weight between the front and rear axle, so ideally you want the kingpin to sit at or ever so slightly in front of the rear axle. When it's behind the axle, the axle acts as a pivot and the weight of the trailer starts to lift the front axle. Too much lift of the front axle, and you can lose front traction, amd therfore steering ability in adverse conditions.
Thanks! I gather this is one reason why sliding hitches exist, though not for him. I'm guessing he's currently stuck in some serious sunk-cost paralysis.
This is a repost from 1-2 years ago. OG boasting about "frame modifications" to Tundra to tow this trailer park sized camper. If I remember correctly, guy was a douche nozzle that had a fab shop of sorts.
Single Rear Wheel HD trucks are more than capable of 3k-4k payloads. This Tundra is way overweight but - you don't need DRW to tow a Sabre (~3k loaded pin weight).
OP said they slapped metallic pads on it. And is fighting hard with people trying to prove they're smarter than everyone else on how to upgrade a light duty pickup into a medium duty one.
I'm always amused when idiots think they're smarter than the engineers that actually designed/tested/validated the vehicle.
I had some dumbass last week on Reddit arguing with me (admitted he was not technical) about a topic in which I have over a decade of engineering experience.
I wish I would have. I tried too hard to use logic, reasoning and facts. He was stuck on some dumb YouTube video which fueled an absurd theory related to aircraft and how lift happens, physics 101 stuff here.
Anyways, yeah they just started saying I was an idiot and how could I possibly have a decade of experience in the field. Once you go to that level, you've lost the argument......
That guy's an idiot but the rotor diameter on that tundra is around the same as an F250. Same for the rear end. Quite a bit bigger than F150, which is what you'd think it would be comparable to.
My money is on 12-13k dry/16k-ish loaded, so I'm pretty sure it's too heavy for any half ton, but I haven't looked at numbers for 2025/2026 trucks
If I was moving it once a quarter or so, I'd be happy enough pulling that in my 3/4 ton (rated to 18.5k), but if I was towing it more often than that I'd wanna go to a 1 ton srw for sure.
I was confused… at first I thought the OP was posting in idiotstowingthings and it struck me as rage bait immediately. Then I realized his post was in trucks. lol. Yeah, this guy.
The pin weight should be in the 2300-2700 pounds range, yet the truck and trailer are perfectly level. No squat, sag, or lift anywhere. With that much weight and the hitch mounted that far back, the front end should be pointed in the same general direction as the space shuttle when it's on the gantry, ready for lift off. The rear tires would look like the tits on a woman who went from 350lb to 98lbs. Plus OP is in full troll mode in the comments on the original post. I think it's rage bait.
Max payload offered on a Tundra is around 1900lbs. That looks like a 36BHQ model Sabre, it has a pin weight of about 2300 dry and almost 3000 fully loaded.
For 2019 max payload was 1730 on a 2WD extended cab. The larger CrewMax cab was either side of 1600.
For comparison, Toyota used to offer a One Ton package on the little '80s trucks that could haul over 2600 lbs. in the bed. Though it wasn't winning any races with the 22R-E.
I’m a yota nerd and payload nerd. I haven’t seen a 4wd crewmax hit 1500lb on the door sticker. They’re mostly 1150-1400. I wanna say 1380 was the best I’ve seen.
I believe you; those are the maximum numbers in the brochure. The Tundra consistently has some of the worst payload ratings for half-tons, down there with coil-sprung Ram 1500s and off-road models like the early Raptor (as low as 800 lbs.).
It bums me out so much bc a tundra with the 5.7 is otherwise the ideal truck for me. I currently have a 4 cylinder regular cab taco with…1295 on the door sticker, and it just kills me that a loaded crewmax is so much less.
I guess the regular cab tundra is ideal for me, bc they have over 1500lb usually and can’t seat as many inside (so harder to overload). Also the largest behind-seat storage of any regular cab. Like big enough for a small cooler or a 5 gallon bucket in a true 2-door regular cab. But they’re rare as FUCK.
F-150 regular cabs used to have similar behind-seat space, both when the had the little access doors ('04-08) and when they just lengthened the front doors ('09-14). They lost 4" of length with the 2015 body, but there's still enough space for me to squeeze a duffel bag or small cooler behind the seat and sit comfortably.
Yeah single cabs aren’t really too bad if you’re not super tall. I often have a travel guitar and a backpack behind my seat. I’ve just never seen one with quite as much as the 2nd gen regular cab tundra. Some people on the forums even have dogs ride there. It’s pretty incredible. Rams are pretty good in that respect too. The GMs tho I think have basically no room behind the seats
Thank god. Used to occasionally use a 2015 single cab GM at work and there was NOTHING lol. Did they improve both the 1500 and HD? I assume they use the same cab
The dry weight of the trailer is ~1k over the max towing capacity of the truck before they put anything in the truck or trailer. And that bumper on the front of the truck takes away from its towing capacity. When you add weight to the tow vehicle you take away from the weight the truck can tow. So...it's bad.
I think this is a Sabre 36ML or something pretty close to it, so even if the trailer’s completely empty he’s probably about 2,100 lbs over the max towing and 900 over max bed weight (if his Tundra even has maxed out specs). If it’s fully loaded, this guy’s probably got the brake distance of a freight train and I’d be even more concerned about his homemade box frame, suspension, and transmission failing.
I also don’t get why someone would get a $130k RV rig and then endanger himself, other drivers, and his investment by trying to save $5k on the truck.
At this point I really don’t understand why Toyota doesn’t offer the tundra with at LEAST a 3/4 ton option. It doesn’t have to be like super duty 3/4 ton where it’s 1500 pounds to the helper springs. 1500 pounds to the bump stops and a V8 would have a LOT more people buying tundras
2500HD gassers have a gooseneck capacity of almost 19k. If the above commenter is correct that its a 36bhq model sabre, it looks to be a hair under 12k dry. You would be ok. Theoretically.
I would probably raise the hitch up a bit, but otherwise this is fine. That camper Im sure is well within the 12k lb towing capacity, Tundras are pretty tough. Id pick them over a Ford or Chevy any day, unless its a diesel. An old Ford diesel aint so bad.
Tundra Bros are a different breed of over confidence... They believe a Tundra is a 2500HD.
To be fair, that entire thread in the Tundra sub is ripping the OOP a new one.
Yes. They did rip OP a hole!
If it can pull the space shuttle it can pull this 😏
The space shuttle thing was a gag. The Tundra just took the slack out of the rope. The space shuttle was on several self propelled hydraulic motorized jacks. I watched them reposition the jacks to cross the 405 bridge near Randy's Donuts, just down the road from LAX, on its way to the museum where it sits today.
r/whoosh
The bed clearance seems a little snug?
Ya, based on that, how little the rear end is squatting, and how far back it looks like the kingpin would sit, I suspect the truck and trailer aren't event attached, or the dude overloaded the rear of the trailer with toys to take weight off the front
I’ve never driven a 5th wheel, but how adverse would driving it be with the kingpin that far back and away from the axle’s center?
It would amplify the load seen by the rear end of the truck. Toy hauler 5th wheels like the one pictured typically have 2500 to 3500 pounds of weight at the kingpin. A tundra is not rated for anywhere near that, maybe 1800 pounds best case. Then if you add a couple hundred more pounds for how far back the kingpin is, that tundra should be squatted like one of those Carolina squat trucks.
In terms of road performance, you want to divide the weight between the front and rear axle, so ideally you want the kingpin to sit at or ever so slightly in front of the rear axle. When it's behind the axle, the axle acts as a pivot and the weight of the trailer starts to lift the front axle. Too much lift of the front axle, and you can lose front traction, amd therfore steering ability in adverse conditions.
Thanks! I gather this is one reason why sliding hitches exist, though not for him. I'm guessing he's currently stuck in some serious sunk-cost paralysis.
Wow, that bed clearance is tighter than a _’s _hole. I’m too tired to write a good line right now, but you get what I was trying to say.
"upgraded frame"
good thing the brakes are stock /s
This is a repost from 1-2 years ago. OG boasting about "frame modifications" to Tundra to tow this trailer park sized camper. If I remember correctly, guy was a douche nozzle that had a fab shop of sorts.
I can hear his wheel bearings screaming from here.....
How many tons is he over on the wheel and tire ratings....Jesus..
Depending on the pin weight, he could be over even with E load rated tires. They make Dually's for just this sort of thing!
Calm down, eh?
Single Rear Wheel HD trucks are more than capable of 3k-4k payloads. This Tundra is way overweight but - you don't need DRW to tow a Sabre (~3k loaded pin weight).
The highest payload I can find for a new SRW one-ton is 4,500 (2WD regular cab).
Sure, that checks out. It's why I replied the way that I did...
You definitely don't need a DRW for a 3-4k pin weight.
Yes, my comment was backing yours up, not countering it. The newest DRWs can do 7, almost 8K in some instances.
We live in an incredible time....
I have an 02 Duramax, and it's been amazing when we tow heavy. I can't imagine towing with something that has twice the torque and 10 gears.
Cheers
Probably has some drilled and slotted powerstop rotors 🤣
OP said they slapped metallic pads on it. And is fighting hard with people trying to prove they're smarter than everyone else on how to upgrade a light duty pickup into a medium duty one.
I'm always amused when idiots think they're smarter than the engineers that actually designed/tested/validated the vehicle.
I had some dumbass last week on Reddit arguing with me (admitted he was not technical) about a topic in which I have over a decade of engineering experience.
Yeah did you pull out the old "I'll take my experience and education over your opinion" on them?
I wish I would have. I tried too hard to use logic, reasoning and facts. He was stuck on some dumb YouTube video which fueled an absurd theory related to aircraft and how lift happens, physics 101 stuff here.
Anyways, yeah they just started saying I was an idiot and how could I possibly have a decade of experience in the field. Once you go to that level, you've lost the argument......
Mechanical Engineer here, can confirm people are stupid!
That guy's an idiot but the rotor diameter on that tundra is around the same as an F250. Same for the rear end. Quite a bit bigger than F150, which is what you'd think it would be comparable to.
Rotor diameter isn't the best way to determine stopping power, but, it does help.
The best part is, that Tundra has 5 Lug wheels...
There’s also caliper and piston size and design, and more.
Very true, 2 piston vs 4 piston, pressure ratios, caliper piston size, etc. Either way, well undersized for the load.
The guy finally deleted his post on r/Toyota after being rightfully roasted into oblivion.
That trailer is 3/4 ton territory
My money is on 12-13k dry/16k-ish loaded, so I'm pretty sure it's too heavy for any half ton, but I haven't looked at numbers for 2025/2026 trucks
If I was moving it once a quarter or so, I'd be happy enough pulling that in my 3/4 ton (rated to 18.5k), but if I was towing it more often than that I'd wanna go to a 1 ton srw for sure.
12k Max for any Tundra ever made.
I was confused… at first I thought the OP was posting in idiotstowingthings and it struck me as rage bait immediately. Then I realized his post was in trucks. lol. Yeah, this guy.
Well the OP of the original post on R/trucks is at least getting rightly roasted and his responses to comments are a good read.
The pin weight should be in the 2300-2700 pounds range, yet the truck and trailer are perfectly level. No squat, sag, or lift anywhere. With that much weight and the hitch mounted that far back, the front end should be pointed in the same general direction as the space shuttle when it's on the gantry, ready for lift off. The rear tires would look like the tits on a woman who went from 350lb to 98lbs. Plus OP is in full troll mode in the comments on the original post. I think it's rage bait.
At least it's not a Honda Ridgeline
This guy was over payload with just the crap he has bolted to it…
the tongue weight is twice the payload capacity...
It doesn't seem too bad? Idk the ratings tho
Max payload offered on a Tundra is around 1900lbs. That looks like a 36BHQ model Sabre, it has a pin weight of about 2300 dry and almost 3000 fully loaded.
For 2019 max payload was 1730 on a 2WD extended cab. The larger CrewMax cab was either side of 1600.
For comparison, Toyota used to offer a One Ton package on the little '80s trucks that could haul over 2600 lbs. in the bed. Though it wasn't winning any races with the 22R-E.
I’m a yota nerd and payload nerd. I haven’t seen a 4wd crewmax hit 1500lb on the door sticker. They’re mostly 1150-1400. I wanna say 1380 was the best I’ve seen.
I believe you; those are the maximum numbers in the brochure. The Tundra consistently has some of the worst payload ratings for half-tons, down there with coil-sprung Ram 1500s and off-road models like the early Raptor (as low as 800 lbs.).
It bums me out so much bc a tundra with the 5.7 is otherwise the ideal truck for me. I currently have a 4 cylinder regular cab taco with…1295 on the door sticker, and it just kills me that a loaded crewmax is so much less.
I guess the regular cab tundra is ideal for me, bc they have over 1500lb usually and can’t seat as many inside (so harder to overload). Also the largest behind-seat storage of any regular cab. Like big enough for a small cooler or a 5 gallon bucket in a true 2-door regular cab. But they’re rare as FUCK.
F-150 regular cabs used to have similar behind-seat space, both when the had the little access doors ('04-08) and when they just lengthened the front doors ('09-14). They lost 4" of length with the 2015 body, but there's still enough space for me to squeeze a duffel bag or small cooler behind the seat and sit comfortably.
Yeah single cabs aren’t really too bad if you’re not super tall. I often have a travel guitar and a backpack behind my seat. I’ve just never seen one with quite as much as the 2nd gen regular cab tundra. Some people on the forums even have dogs ride there. It’s pretty incredible. Rams are pretty good in that respect too. The GMs tho I think have basically no room behind the seats
GMs were the worst for behind-seat space until the most recent model. They added about 6" to the regular cab.
Thank god. Used to occasionally use a 2015 single cab GM at work and there was NOTHING lol. Did they improve both the 1500 and HD? I assume they use the same cab
The dry weight of the trailer is ~1k over the max towing capacity of the truck before they put anything in the truck or trailer. And that bumper on the front of the truck takes away from its towing capacity. When you add weight to the tow vehicle you take away from the weight the truck can tow. So...it's bad.
I think this is a Sabre 36ML or something pretty close to it, so even if the trailer’s completely empty he’s probably about 2,100 lbs over the max towing and 900 over max bed weight (if his Tundra even has maxed out specs). If it’s fully loaded, this guy’s probably got the brake distance of a freight train and I’d be even more concerned about his homemade box frame, suspension, and transmission failing.
I also don’t get why someone would get a $130k RV rig and then endanger himself, other drivers, and his investment by trying to save $5k on the truck.
It doesn't "Look" bad, but it really is.
At this point I really don’t understand why Toyota doesn’t offer the tundra with at LEAST a 3/4 ton option. It doesn’t have to be like super duty 3/4 ton where it’s 1500 pounds to the helper springs. 1500 pounds to the bump stops and a V8 would have a LOT more people buying tundras
Back when the 2007 Tundra first came out, Toyota had a dually version built for SEMA with an 8.0L diesel from Hino's medium-duty trucks.
Two things on the road scare me. Altimas with paper tags and Tundras towing something.
They are almost 3/4 Ton depening on the package. So it might not be too bad.
I wouldn’t pull this with a true 3/4 ton…
That big of a trailer needs a one ton truck, diesel preferably.
Not necessary. Big 3 gas 2500/3500 class options will tow this anywhere.
yes - at half the mpg for gas
Not half... 1-4 mpg less.
When diesels are a $10-12K option new, that can pay for a lot of gas.
Thank you!!!
Gas is A LOT cheaper than Diesel.
How many Fleet trucks are Diesel vs Gas?
That's a good question. Anecdotally, I'm seeing a lot fewer new fleet trucks with a Powerstroke or Cummins badge now than 10-15 years ago.
In my area, fleet trucks are about 80-20, gas-diesel...
I would question hooking this to my 2024 Silverado 2500HD Z71...
2500HD gassers have a gooseneck capacity of almost 19k. If the above commenter is correct that its a 36bhq model sabre, it looks to be a hair under 12k dry. You would be ok. Theoretically.
My Silverado 2500HD gasser is 19.8k...
Sorry. I misread the specs. 19.7-19.8 from a second search. Still well within the limits for this trailer.
You're right lol just googled that 5th wheel and it looks like 37ft camper. I thought it was close to 27-30ft
No... No they are not.
As a 2019 tundra guy pulling a big trailer all across America, you sir are crazy but I love it.
I would probably raise the hitch up a bit, but otherwise this is fine. That camper Im sure is well within the 12k lb towing capacity, Tundras are pretty tough. Id pick them over a Ford or Chevy any day, unless its a diesel. An old Ford diesel aint so bad.