Hardly a single building left undamaged as far as the eye can see. And yet life for them goes on. Horrifying, bleak, and yet with just a bit of hope too.
Women can’t go in public without a male relative to escort them- and have to have their permission … women being outside - means they also can’t talk to anyone of the opposite sex - and no one can talk to them except women.
It’s generally looked down on in Islamic society for a woman to be outside of her house … socializing - this is .. not .. modest.
So that’s why if you look at pictures from any country, that is Islamic or dominated by Islamic teaching or influenced by it - there is rarely any women out side .. ever. If they are they are usually in groups . It’s mostly men all the time.
Idk why anyone would celebrate any people who think of women are less than second class citizens and where women have virtually zero rights within their society, and the host of all the other terrible things they believe -
Like executing LGBTQ people. Zero human rights whatsoever for women or for anyone who isn’t a straight male.
Or terrorism. These people committed the worst terror act in decades and declared this war and this is cool?
Because somebody is benefiting. War is not free. There will always be someone on the other side willing to do attrocities to get more of what they already have
It was a brash generalization that people use to justify genocide and destruction on a mass scale. The IDF kill plenty of babies and have r*ped and tortured people too, would that justify levelling Tel Aviv with bombs? No.
The one's actually doing that to Palestinians for 75 years get to walk around as if they've done nothing wrong, probably cheered on by the likes of you.
Thats why you need to dehumanise the “enemy” in the short term.
In the long term the ones doing the murdering will still have all kinds of trauma. And thats assuming they find a coping mechanism.
Which is usually leaning even harder into the ideology that got them to commit the atrocities in the first place. Which, for those in power, is a great benefit.
Respect to the OP for trying to speak to what I had initially thought metal was about when I fell in love with it as a teenager: Standing up passionately and vigorously for all people who are mistreated and marginalized by society. However, as I have grown older, wiser, and become marginalized myself I have learned that metal culture is no more or less susceptible to propaganda and division. In fact, perhaps moreso because at least rock 'n' roll occasionally acknowledged its roots thanks to black musicians, metal even 50 years into its existence is as lacking in diversity as it gets and makes no concerted effort to change. For a brief window metal was considered transgressive but now has been exposed to be as conforming as any other genre: Misogynistic, racist, homophobic and here y'all are gleefully touting your Islamophobia. Fucking pathetic.
It IS actually possible to despise the genocidal bastards (formally called the Israeli government AND Hamas (with allies)) WHILE supporting both the Hebrew AND Palestinian peoples. 🇵🇸🇮🇱 Fuck hate. Love is progress.
There is a line there somewhere tho. A *lot* of Israelis support the genocide. And yes they've been brainwashed to believe what their government tells them, but there's also some personal responsibility there I believe.
Terrible fact, did you know that the Palestinians are not allowed to control their port, Israel has them completely boxed in. No one can healthily develop there with Israeli violence, I know for a fact many of those claiming support for Israel would push heavily back against their oppressors if they were born under such occupation.
Egypt controls their own border. There's no argument to be made about that.
And are you really going to try and tell me they are starving under a photo of them having a giant feast?? Where did all that food come from? JFC. Either the evil Israelis have complete control over the borders and are starving them, or they let in all that sumptuous food. Which is it? Because it can't be both. In which case the title to the photo above should be "Israel Generously Caters Ramadan Banquet for Palestinians".
You do realise that when they say people are starving it doesnt mean that there is literally 0 food right? Is having room temp iq a prerequisit for supporing the IDF or what
I think Ukraine is a great lesson for Palestinians on how to behave in a world and get actual sympathy from people.
Ukraine didn't spend a decade firing rockets into Russia, even after Russia invaded Crimea. Ukraine doesn't just shoot missiles randomly into Russia with the purpose of killing Russia civilians solely.
Ukraine didn't, in the start of February 2022, launch an invasion of Russia targeting civilians and killing 1,000s in the process while kidnapping hundreds more.
Ukraine does not preach that the only way they will ever be free is the total destruction of Russia. They do not teach their children from a young age that Russians are the spawn of satan and that the only value they will have in life is to kill Russians.
If Ukraine did those things, then many more people would support Russia.
Ukraine doesn't hide behind its children either. Instead it actually fights a war, in the field, even against a materially superior army, in order to keep the fighting away from its children.
Yes, these are two great examples that show exactly why these conflicts are different.
Okay, let's see the Russia Ukraine war go for the next 8 decades and see if Ukraine can keep their "good behaviour" going on while the entire world abandons them.
You say this as if the entire 8 decades Palestinians were perfectly civilised and didn’t do the exact same thing? Ever since 1948 with the attack of the Arab league they have been trying to wipe out Israel
This isn't a hypothetical. Ukrainians have suffered tremendously at the hands of Russia over the last century, much more than Palestinians have at the hands of Israel by any objective measure.
Colonized people have a right to self defense. There hasn't been a single "terrorist" attack during any day in which Palestine wasn't illegally occupied. Never a single year in which Israel didn't kill significantly more people (usually ten times as many). How long do Palestinians, who Israel won't even allow to build wells, be required to endure this? Do Palestinians have a right to their own land? A right to their own water?
there is no way your arguing that terrorist attacks like Oct 7 are "self defense", thats insane and the reason people don't take the Palestinian cause seriously
The mask slip is disturbing. In other words, if the relative privilege you currently have were diminished, you might reach a point where you can see yourself committing these sorts of atrocities. You're the dangerous people we worry about in a theoretical post collapse world. I can tell you with 100% certainty that there is no situation in which I place more value on land than the lives of my children, or in which I would partake in an October 7th attack. Babies were stabbed. That might be someone that you're capable of being, and that says all we need to know.
I bet American colonists said this same thing about native raids on settlements.
None of those people in Palestine have ever dropped a bomb on America. 98%+ of them never fired a rocket at Israel either. And yet the US and Israel have spent tens of billions bombing them, with the overwhelming majority being civilians. Wiping entire extended families from the registry of the living. And yet the US and Israel spent more bombing them last year than their GDP. People who Israel won't even allow to build wells on their own land.
Also western media will rarely if ever tell you this, but a significant portion of the dead were killed by Israel, and the objective was an actual military one. It was possibly the largest data breach in Israel's history but they won't admit it. So the western media do the MIC's bidding and paint Palestinians as a bunch of rampaging murderers while giving Israel a pass on a genocide.
How do you know that all these deaths were caused by Israel? Before the war, 20% of Hamas rockets fell within Gaza. That’s thousands of rockets since the war began. Hamas and the idf were also exchanging fire. So how do you know that the child was killed by a bullet from an Israeli gun and not a Palestinian guns. Hamas built traps for the idf by boobytrapping houses either explosives. How many civilian do you think died from these explosives. It really feels that you are filling in missing details with bigotry
"There hasn't been a single "terrorist" attack during any day in which Palestine wasn't illegally occupied." That is adorably ahistorical.
Here's a partial list of massacres muslims committed against Jews going all the way back to the year 622.
You know, shortly after Islam was invented. And muslim colonialists decided to travel all the way to Israel from Saudi Arabia for the sole purpose of killing Jews and Christians because they refused to convert to Islam.
"See it's okay to genocide someone today and despise them for their humanity because of something that happened 1400 years ago." The average age of a person in the Gaza region of Palestine is 18 (or was, before the genocide started). Most of the people of Gaza haven't weren't even alive before 2006 and you're holding 7th-century shit against them to support them being killed in 2024.
Also there hasn't been a single year in history where Israel hasn't killed more Palestinians than the other way around. Most years it hovers around 10 times as many people. How many more decades and centuries can this go on before we acknowledge that maybe Palestinians have a legitimate gripe about the colony that has been thrust on them for over 70 years?
Did you not read the list, buddy? The Jews don't have a gripe against them for something "from 1,400 years ago", Jews have been massacred by muslims continually for over 1,400 years.
Again, your reading comprehension is letting you down. The "palestinians" haven't been "colonized"... they are the colonizers! They aren't indigenous to the land of Israel. The only reason they came to Israel was to slaughter Jews and Christians for refusing to convert to Israel. One of the most common surnames of the "palestinians" is Al Masri. Which is Arabic for "The Egyptian", that's not a coincidence, most of them are from Egypt.
How long do Palestinians, who Israel won't even allow to build wells, be required to endure this?
Israel has subsidized Palestinian infrastructure for decades, they keep pulling out the water pipes and using them to shoot rockets at Israel.
Do Palestinians have a right to their own land?
They turned down their own land in 1947, 1967, 1973, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2008, and 2020. They don't want their own land as long as they don't have a right of return to Israel.
Looks like I didn’t dumb it down enough for you, bruh. Let me try again
War = 2 armies fighting
Genocide = 1 army killing unarmed men, women and children and destroying their homes, farms, land and stealing land for themselves
You're sincerely laughing at ethnic cleansing and genocide, you don't have any credibility. You'd lose your mind is someone lol'd your people's erasure from their land. But Palestinians aren't human in your eyes and it shows.
the "nakba" was the result of the failed arab invasion. notice the 2m israeli arabs that are the same people as the palestinians that live and vote and have the best life in the middle east. They didn't betray israel and were allowed the stay. Anything bad that's ever happened to the palestinians is due to poor palestinian behavior and choices
The scenarios aren’t comparable. Ukraine is in a completely different position, and Palestine has been controlled and smothered by Israel for decades now. A comparable scenario would be if Russia successfully took over Ukraine, and years later they began fighting back whilst everyone gets mad at them for not just letting themselves die. Israel has wanted Palestinians dead for far longer than Hamas has been a problem.
In 1948, Egypt and Jordan invaded, occupied, annexed, and destroyed what would have become the state of Palestine. Israel liberated those Palestinians in 1967, and the only reason that there is Palestinians nationalism and self-governance is due to Israeli support for both. And 20% of Israeli citizens are Arabs living in peace. Most of the rest of the 19 Arabs states on 99% of the land are in various stages of violent failure, so if your number one priority is for yet another 20th such failed state, then you are the problem.
Well Ukraine sure did bombed the Dondass between 2014 and 2022.
Also Ukraine have more chance to fight evenly with Russia since they have weapons from the western countries.
Meanwhile palestinians don't have the help of western countries.
Even worse it's Israël that is getting western weapons so obviously palestinians must fight an asymetric warfare.
The Donbass is part of Ukraine that was invaded and Ukraine fired missiles against an occupying force. The Russo-Ukrainian war is considered to have started with the deployment of a commando group from Russia in 2014.
Further, Hamas has received over 2.1 billion dollars from America since October 7. That’s just recent history and doesn’t include support from other Arab nations.
Israel started blockading Gaza in 2007 after Hamas was elected and started shooting rockets and sending suicide bombers into israel. before that you'd just walk across the border for work etc
Aren't we seeing exactly the opposite of this from Trump and his followers!? Where in the world are you getting the idea that people from the West are supporting Ukrainian people!?
yeh the €380 billion of aid the west has given ukraine doesn’t mean they support them, neither do the massive demonstrations that consistently take place supporting ukraine.
all those western world leaders rejecting trumps comments? they don’t actually exist.
West poured billions into Ukr army, sent air defense systems, planes, tanks, artillery, are you real? Without Western military aid Ukraine would lose this war long ago, Russia already destroyed or crippled all military industrial complexes in Ukraine so they are 100% dependent on the western aid since the start of this war. Nothing similar was seen with Gaza, West just watched as Israelis leveled entire cities, double standards and hypocrits.
Majority of those that were killed or taken were serving in the military.
Israel is the occupier.
Palestinians are the occupied. Their sovereignty never ceded.
Under the Geneva Convention those that are occupied are allowed to resist.
I'm assuming you're referring to the Hannibal directive, which Israeli society generally agrees on. The number is believed to be around 14 people out of the 1200+ casualties which is fair considering the mayhem that occurred and to avoid more hostages being taken.
Majority of those that were killed or taken were serving in the military.
This is completely false. Unless you think everyone is military because of mandatory conscription.
Israel is the occupier.
Palestinians are the occupied. Their sovereignty never ceded.
They never had sovereignty.
Under the Geneva Convention those that are occupied are allowed to resist
Article 51(2) of Additional Protocol I strictly prohibits attacks on civilians, stating:
“The civilian population as such, as well as individual civilians, shall not be the object of attack.”
Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions (common to all four conventions) also prohibits targeting civilians and requires humane treatment of all non-combatants.
Even in occupied territories, attacks must target military objectives and not civilians, infrastructure, or indiscriminate violence.
I wondered my whole life how the western powers could make such a huge mistake like Israel. Very recently I realized that they most likely wanted a white population in the centre of an important area to the Middle East that destabilized and displaced the entire region and population. And a nuclear power at that.
I’m not saying that that is what Israel and its people are, but that that’s what they represent to the western powers. But I have never been there, as a Canadian I’ve never had an opportunity frankly, and I’m open to learning more.
Watching how Israel has been supported and appeased at times by the West, the US especially, makes me heavily suspect that there’s a more purely military and strategic reason behind it all, and destabilizing and having an ally near certain middle eastern powers may be a couple of those reasons.
But Isr has been starving hostages childrens turning them into human skeleton, we have video evidence and proof of those. They raped and sexually assault prisoner also proved. The clear difference between how isr treats and how Palestine treats hostages but you chose to ignore facts.
Following the Fatah–Hamas conflict that started in 2006, Hamas formed a government ruling the Gaza Strip without elections. Gazan Prime Minister Haniyye announced in September 2012 the formation of a second Hamas government, also without elections.
I really hope things are different now, and people from Palestine can once again vote for there own future
The vast majority of the ppl who voted for Hamas back then have been long dead. The majority of living Palestinians are under the voting age and most of them haven’t been able to vote
They don't hate Israel. They're using the Palestinians to distract their own people from their problems. They will keep saying they support Palestinians but keep on making business deals with Israel. Soon Saudi Arabia will be partners with Israel.
Wow Zionists and bots are strong here. Amazing pictures! I am glad to see that although they are not getting a break from hardships, their spirit is not broken.
I just have one question, how come they all are getting everything but there are countless African children who die due to hunger ignored by the whole world ?
I gotta say, I admire the racket. Gotta have a complete lack of shame to pull it off, but Palestinians do it so well.
Convince yourselves and your useful idiot supporters that Israel is trying it’s hardest to wipe you out of existence and when it inevitably doesn’t happen (because of course, this is a glorified hostage situation), y’all convince yourselves and each other that Palestinians just survived the Battle of Thermopylae.
Found one 😂 , it’s a genocide as stated by human right organizations such as amnesty international, and hostages? You’re kidding right? Israel has had hundreds of Palestinian children they KIDNAPPED out of their homes during their hundreds of illegal raids and held them hostage in their CHILD prisons way before October 7 2023 Where children are tortured and more that half with no charges kidnapped for years. as reported by save the children. Zionist bs propaganda won’t work .
Oh yeah, the local Arabs were butchering Jews long before they even thought about stealing the name Palestine from the great Romans and their flag from Jordan.
Edit: LOLLL the jihadist liar commented and blocked me as if those events are not all over the internet.
Never trust those islamonazi liars. They always block after getting exposed.
Cool pictures, I'm still not a fan of a cause whose chief supporters are islamic far right nationalist bent on retribution and violence against innocent people.
Palestine just lost all my support. How can I support a nation/society when it's a society for men only and clearly no women are allowed? Since their culture doesn't include women to sit there, or doesn't make women comfortable to sit at the table, or it's too dangerous for them to sit there with men, or whatever other reason - it's not a society I am capable of supporting.
Damn what a powerful photo.
Trying to keep some semblance of dignity while their homes and family have been destroyed.
Wild.
Hardly a single building left undamaged as far as the eye can see. And yet life for them goes on. Horrifying, bleak, and yet with just a bit of hope too.
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Women can’t go in public without a male relative to escort them- and have to have their permission … women being outside - means they also can’t talk to anyone of the opposite sex - and no one can talk to them except women.
It’s generally looked down on in Islamic society for a woman to be outside of her house … socializing - this is .. not .. modest.
So that’s why if you look at pictures from any country, that is Islamic or dominated by Islamic teaching or influenced by it - there is rarely any women out side .. ever. If they are they are usually in groups . It’s mostly men all the time.
Idk why anyone would celebrate any people who think of women are less than second class citizens and where women have virtually zero rights within their society, and the host of all the other terrible things they believe - Like executing LGBTQ people. Zero human rights whatsoever for women or for anyone who isn’t a straight male.
Or terrorism. These people committed the worst terror act in decades and declared this war and this is cool?
Idk.. not cool to me.
I can see three hijabi women at that table at first glance, what are you talking about?
Yes there are more men but many Muslim women don’t feel comfortable sitting with men they do not know, especially so closely - they’re elbow to elbow.
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There are women in the photo, and I’ve explained why many would choose to be absent in this situation.
Probably eating in a separate place, it's not mixed
Segregated
Islam is still struck in the dark ages
You people and your fake concern for women. Where was that when these young ladies were being sniped and bombed on daily basis, along their kids?
A lot of them murdered since Israel likes shooting unarmed women and children.
Hope they're talking about forming a decent government at that table.
Sir, they are eating.
Government is the problem on both sides. Always will be anywhere else in the world too.
Why do we do this to each other, man? How can you put people in that kind of position and not feel a little bit of empathy?
Because somebody is benefiting. War is not free. There will always be someone on the other side willing to do attrocities to get more of what they already have
It's easy for psychos to succeed in the world we have created.
Gotta be a bit of a psycho to launch a rocket indiscriminately into a population.
rockets*
We forget , some of these eating now , were killing babies and raping while on a murderous rampage not long ago .
Which ones exactly? Can you identify them?
Or was that a brash generalization
It was a brash generalization that people use to justify genocide and destruction on a mass scale. The IDF kill plenty of babies and have r*ped and tortured people too, would that justify levelling Tel Aviv with bombs? No.
There’s a rapist in the Whitehouse. What’s your point?
Would you say that about a random photo of Americans because of Abu Ghraib?
Oh, please. Being in Israel and the West Bank, it was rather clear (to anyone with eyeballs) who the oppressor is.
"some of these" has some serious racial undertones. Felt like a dog whistle
The one's actually doing that to Palestinians for 75 years get to walk around as if they've done nothing wrong, probably cheered on by the likes of you.
So yeah, nobody believes you anymore.
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Had this talk with my pops yesterday, if there's a dollar to be made, that dollar will be had.
This really breaks my heart to see, no matter which side you agree with, it's sickening. I hope these people can find peace.
We can’t.
Thats why you need to dehumanise the “enemy” in the short term.
In the long term the ones doing the murdering will still have all kinds of trauma. And thats assuming they find a coping mechanism.
Which is usually leaning even harder into the ideology that got them to commit the atrocities in the first place. Which, for those in power, is a great benefit.
And so we’ve completed the circle of genocide.
Cause my invisible guy in the sky said so
My invis guys is the same one but we do stuff just a little bit different.
Therefore all of you need to die.
But, but, but, he is on our side! /s
That destruction was mainly funded by the US and Germany. It's terrible how destroyed the area is. Post WW2 Berlin looked less destroyed
I mena that's just nof true but it's kind of silly to try to make a contest out of whose city was destroyed more
Lol
I mean they are still holding hostages both living and dead. There is a reason.
Do you think these people in the photos are the ones holding them captive? Come on.
there is no reason on earth that can justify genocide
Even with so much turmoil and destress in the atmosphere, it brightens my day to see how many smiling faces there are.
Respect to the OP for trying to speak to what I had initially thought metal was about when I fell in love with it as a teenager: Standing up passionately and vigorously for all people who are mistreated and marginalized by society. However, as I have grown older, wiser, and become marginalized myself I have learned that metal culture is no more or less susceptible to propaganda and division. In fact, perhaps moreso because at least rock 'n' roll occasionally acknowledged its roots thanks to black musicians, metal even 50 years into its existence is as lacking in diversity as it gets and makes no concerted effort to change. For a brief window metal was considered transgressive but now has been exposed to be as conforming as any other genre: Misogynistic, racist, homophobic and here y'all are gleefully touting your Islamophobia. Fucking pathetic.
Where women?
you're getting downvoted only because reddit is male dominated. the truth is lack of women is noticable and it speaks volumes.
You don't care about them, don't act like you do.
It IS actually possible to despise the genocidal bastards (formally called the Israeli government AND Hamas (with allies)) WHILE supporting both the Hebrew AND Palestinian peoples. 🇵🇸🇮🇱 Fuck hate. Love is progress.
This User Is Done With Reddit because there are too many ignorant people on there.
Not on the internet it isn't.
Woah there! You can't just be having sympathetic and humane attitudes towards EVERY victim! You HAVE to pick a side you know??
/s
Love for Jews in general, yes. But for settlers who come to occupied homes with guns, terrorize people, and kill at will? No, I don't think so
Had to scroll way too far to see this comment. Thank you?
The only sensible comment on this thread, love your perspective.
There is a line there somewhere tho. A *lot* of Israelis support the genocide. And yes they've been brainwashed to believe what their government tells them, but there's also some personal responsibility there I believe.
The sort of dinners legends are written off.. to what stories shall be told of this moment? I hope this is remembered far into the future
Terrible fact, did you know that the Palestinians are not allowed to control their port, Israel has them completely boxed in. No one can healthily develop there with Israeli violence, I know for a fact many of those claiming support for Israel would push heavily back against their oppressors if they were born under such occupation.
Check a map, pal. Gaza has a long border with Egypt. But I'm sure that's Israel's fault too, right?
Which israel is in control, that's how they are blocking aid and starving the palestinians.
Egypt controls their own border. There's no argument to be made about that.
And are you really going to try and tell me they are starving under a photo of them having a giant feast?? Where did all that food come from? JFC. Either the evil Israelis have complete control over the borders and are starving them, or they let in all that sumptuous food. Which is it? Because it can't be both. In which case the title to the photo above should be "Israel Generously Caters Ramadan Banquet for Palestinians".
You do realise that when they say people are starving it doesnt mean that there is literally 0 food right? Is having room temp iq a prerequisit for supporing the IDF or what
Using the word sumptuous in a picture with a few bottles of water and some food next to ruins and dust is completely insane.
You know that border have 2 sides? Egipt Control own side no problem, but gaza's side is controled fully by IDF
Maybe because if they controlled their ports, 100% of shipments would include bombs, guns and money for Hamas? Ever think of that?
This is the ultimate FAFO
where are the women and children
In the pictures? Literally every picture has either a woman, a child, or both. Look for the head coverings.
Wow the double standard in the comments proves how racist the west are.
People will rightfully support white Ukrainians.
But when brown arabs show any strength, resilience and self determination, they are smeared.
Get a life losers.
I think Ukraine is a great lesson for Palestinians on how to behave in a world and get actual sympathy from people.
Ukraine didn't spend a decade firing rockets into Russia, even after Russia invaded Crimea. Ukraine doesn't just shoot missiles randomly into Russia with the purpose of killing Russia civilians solely.
Ukraine didn't, in the start of February 2022, launch an invasion of Russia targeting civilians and killing 1,000s in the process while kidnapping hundreds more.
Ukraine does not preach that the only way they will ever be free is the total destruction of Russia. They do not teach their children from a young age that Russians are the spawn of satan and that the only value they will have in life is to kill Russians.
If Ukraine did those things, then many more people would support Russia.
Ukraine doesn't hide behind its children either. Instead it actually fights a war, in the field, even against a materially superior army, in order to keep the fighting away from its children.
Yes, these are two great examples that show exactly why these conflicts are different.
What a useless and completely wrong comparison to make. Dear oh dear
Sees eloquently thought out statement:
"Nuh uh you're wrong"
my friend, this is reddit, they only know "nuh uh you're wrong"
Okay, let's see the Russia Ukraine war go for the next 8 decades and see if Ukraine can keep their "good behaviour" going on while the entire world abandons them.
You say this as if the entire 8 decades Palestinians were perfectly civilised and didn’t do the exact same thing? Ever since 1948 with the attack of the Arab league they have been trying to wipe out Israel
Not even hiding it huh?
Hiding what? When you said Russian did you mean literally every Russian alive? I was jokingly referring to violence from the Palestinian side
This isn't a hypothetical. Ukrainians have suffered tremendously at the hands of Russia over the last century, much more than Palestinians have at the hands of Israel by any objective measure.
Exactly, I honestly am kinda blown away anyone would even try to make a comparison between the two because It's nearly a polar opposite situation.
Never reason with redditors. That is rule number one
Fixed it for ya.
Colonized people have a right to self defense. There hasn't been a single "terrorist" attack during any day in which Palestine wasn't illegally occupied. Never a single year in which Israel didn't kill significantly more people (usually ten times as many). How long do Palestinians, who Israel won't even allow to build wells, be required to endure this? Do Palestinians have a right to their own land? A right to their own water?
Self defense is when you murder civilians attending a concert.
The very first day Israel was formed Palestine attacked with 5 other Arab states.
there is no way your arguing that terrorist attacks like Oct 7 are "self defense", thats insane and the reason people don't take the Palestinian cause seriously
They absolutely are tho, if someone’s been doing it to you for almost 100 years at this point, it is lol
The mask slip is disturbing. In other words, if the relative privilege you currently have were diminished, you might reach a point where you can see yourself committing these sorts of atrocities. You're the dangerous people we worry about in a theoretical post collapse world. I can tell you with 100% certainty that there is no situation in which I place more value on land than the lives of my children, or in which I would partake in an October 7th attack. Babies were stabbed. That might be someone that you're capable of being, and that says all we need to know.
I bet American colonists said this same thing about native raids on settlements.
None of those people in Palestine have ever dropped a bomb on America. 98%+ of them never fired a rocket at Israel either. And yet the US and Israel have spent tens of billions bombing them, with the overwhelming majority being civilians. Wiping entire extended families from the registry of the living. And yet the US and Israel spent more bombing them last year than their GDP. People who Israel won't even allow to build wells on their own land.
Also western media will rarely if ever tell you this, but a significant portion of the dead were killed by Israel, and the objective was an actual military one. It was possibly the largest data breach in Israel's history but they won't admit it. So the western media do the MIC's bidding and paint Palestinians as a bunch of rampaging murderers while giving Israel a pass on a genocide.
How do you know that all these deaths were caused by Israel? Before the war, 20% of Hamas rockets fell within Gaza. That’s thousands of rockets since the war began. Hamas and the idf were also exchanging fire. So how do you know that the child was killed by a bullet from an Israeli gun and not a Palestinian guns. Hamas built traps for the idf by boobytrapping houses either explosives. How many civilian do you think died from these explosives. It really feels that you are filling in missing details with bigotry
"There hasn't been a single "terrorist" attack during any day in which Palestine wasn't illegally occupied." That is adorably ahistorical.
Here's a partial list of massacres muslims committed against Jews going all the way back to the year 622.
You know, shortly after Islam was invented. And muslim colonialists decided to travel all the way to Israel from Saudi Arabia for the sole purpose of killing Jews and Christians because they refused to convert to Islam.
https://medium.com/@Ksantini/the-list-of-crimes-committed-by-muslims-against-jews-since-the-7th-century-0ff1a8eb0ad0
"See it's okay to genocide someone today and despise them for their humanity because of something that happened 1400 years ago." The average age of a person in the Gaza region of Palestine is 18 (or was, before the genocide started). Most of the people of Gaza haven't weren't even alive before 2006 and you're holding 7th-century shit against them to support them being killed in 2024.
Also there hasn't been a single year in history where Israel hasn't killed more Palestinians than the other way around. Most years it hovers around 10 times as many people. How many more decades and centuries can this go on before we acknowledge that maybe Palestinians have a legitimate gripe about the colony that has been thrust on them for over 70 years?
Did you not read the list, buddy? The Jews don't have a gripe against them for something "from 1,400 years ago", Jews have been massacred by muslims continually for over 1,400 years.
Again, your reading comprehension is letting you down. The "palestinians" haven't been "colonized"... they are the colonizers! They aren't indigenous to the land of Israel. The only reason they came to Israel was to slaughter Jews and Christians for refusing to convert to Israel. One of the most common surnames of the "palestinians" is Al Masri. Which is Arabic for "The Egyptian", that's not a coincidence, most of them are from Egypt.
Yeah, the kibbutzim raids and the attacks on festival goers are 100% self defense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1834_looting_of_Safed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_Nebi_Mus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%931939_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947%E2%80%931948_civil_war_in_Mandatory_Palestine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_attack_on_Samu
These are all off the top of my head.
Israel has subsidized Palestinian infrastructure for decades, they keep pulling out the water pipes and using them to shoot rockets at Israel.
They turned down their own land in 1947, 1967, 1973, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2008, and 2020. They don't want their own land as long as they don't have a right of return to Israel.
What war, it’s a genocide. War implies 2 armies fighting
Sure bruh. Lets dumb it all down to catchphrases and ignores complex realities because life is simple
Looks like I didn’t dumb it down enough for you, bruh. Let me try again War = 2 armies fighting Genocide = 1 army killing unarmed men, women and children and destroying their homes, farms, land and stealing land for themselves
Clear enough?
Makes it immensely clear that its not a genocide, yeah lmao
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You think Palestinians started the war??
Tell me you don’t know basic history without telling me you don’t know basic history.
Maybe look up Nakba for a start hey?
Yes. Palestinians started the war. lol nakba
You're sincerely laughing at ethnic cleansing and genocide, you don't have any credibility. You'd lose your mind is someone lol'd your people's erasure from their land. But Palestinians aren't human in your eyes and it shows.
the "nakba" was the result of the failed arab invasion. notice the 2m israeli arabs that are the same people as the palestinians that live and vote and have the best life in the middle east. They didn't betray israel and were allowed the stay. Anything bad that's ever happened to the palestinians is due to poor palestinian behavior and choices
The scenarios aren’t comparable. Ukraine is in a completely different position, and Palestine has been controlled and smothered by Israel for decades now. A comparable scenario would be if Russia successfully took over Ukraine, and years later they began fighting back whilst everyone gets mad at them for not just letting themselves die. Israel has wanted Palestinians dead for far longer than Hamas has been a problem.
In 1948, Egypt and Jordan invaded, occupied, annexed, and destroyed what would have become the state of Palestine. Israel liberated those Palestinians in 1967, and the only reason that there is Palestinians nationalism and self-governance is due to Israeli support for both. And 20% of Israeli citizens are Arabs living in peace. Most of the rest of the 19 Arabs states on 99% of the land are in various stages of violent failure, so if your number one priority is for yet another 20th such failed state, then you are the problem.
Well Ukraine sure did bombed the Dondass between 2014 and 2022.
Also Ukraine have more chance to fight evenly with Russia since they have weapons from the western countries.
Meanwhile palestinians don't have the help of western countries. Even worse it's Israël that is getting western weapons so obviously palestinians must fight an asymetric warfare.
The Donbass is part of Ukraine that was invaded and Ukraine fired missiles against an occupying force. The Russo-Ukrainian war is considered to have started with the deployment of a commando group from Russia in 2014.
Further, Hamas has received over 2.1 billion dollars from America since October 7. That’s just recent history and doesn’t include support from other Arab nations.
https://oversight.house.gov/release/hearing-wrap-up-america-first-foreign-aid-protects-u-s-interests-at-home-and-abroad/#:~:text=%242.1%20billion%20in%20American%20taxpayers,with%20in%20the%20Gaza%20Strip.
Israel is an occupying force in the West Bank as determined by the UN, and it has kept a blockade of Gaxa since its supposed withdrawal in 2005
Israel started blockading Gaza in 2007 after Hamas was elected and started shooting rockets and sending suicide bombers into israel. before that you'd just walk across the border for work etc
Aren't we seeing exactly the opposite of this from Trump and his followers!? Where in the world are you getting the idea that people from the West are supporting Ukrainian people!?
yeh the €380 billion of aid the west has given ukraine doesn’t mean they support them, neither do the massive demonstrations that consistently take place supporting ukraine.
all those western world leaders rejecting trumps comments? they don’t actually exist.
West poured billions into Ukr army, sent air defense systems, planes, tanks, artillery, are you real? Without Western military aid Ukraine would lose this war long ago, Russia already destroyed or crippled all military industrial complexes in Ukraine so they are 100% dependent on the western aid since the start of this war. Nothing similar was seen with Gaza, West just watched as Israelis leveled entire cities, double standards and hypocrits.
The West supports Ukraine. The US isn't part of the West anymore.
I don't remember Ukrainians invading a sovereign nation and raping and murdering before taking civilian hostages.
Mass rape was debunked.
Israel killed its own on Oct 7. Look up Oct 7.
Majority of those that were killed or taken were serving in the military.
Israel is the occupier. Palestinians are the occupied. Their sovereignty never ceded. Under the Geneva Convention those that are occupied are allowed to resist.
Depends on how you define "mass". Rape absolutely occured though. https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15621.doc.htm
I'm assuming you're referring to the Hannibal directive, which Israeli society generally agrees on. The number is believed to be around 14 people out of the 1200+ casualties which is fair considering the mayhem that occurred and to avoid more hostages being taken.
https://archive.md/20240615152306/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/06/13/israel-killed-dozen-own-citizens-on-october-7-un-claims/
This is completely false. Unless you think everyone is military because of mandatory conscription.
They never had sovereignty.
Article 51(2) of Additional Protocol I strictly prohibits attacks on civilians, stating: “The civilian population as such, as well as individual civilians, shall not be the object of attack.”
Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions (common to all four conventions) also prohibits targeting civilians and requires humane treatment of all non-combatants.
Even in occupied territories, attacks must target military objectives and not civilians, infrastructure, or indiscriminate violence.
Yeah, these comments are just sickening. Heaven fucking forbid you're a person of color (barring Hamas) and defend yourself in any capacity...
I also hate having to remind people that even Palestinians don't support Hamas.
yea its sick....
Just horrible what happened and is still happening. Going to take years to rebuild if anything.,
With how building aid often end up in gaza, I dont think much will be rebuilt
I wondered my whole life how the western powers could make such a huge mistake like Israel. Very recently I realized that they most likely wanted a white population in the centre of an important area to the Middle East that destabilized and displaced the entire region and population. And a nuclear power at that.
Low IQ take. Clearly you've never been there because most people in Israel are brown they are just not Muslim and that's the difference.
I’m not saying that that is what Israel and its people are, but that that’s what they represent to the western powers. But I have never been there, as a Canadian I’ve never had an opportunity frankly, and I’m open to learning more.
Watching how Israel has been supported and appeased at times by the West, the US especially, makes me heavily suspect that there’s a more purely military and strategic reason behind it all, and destabilizing and having an ally near certain middle eastern powers may be a couple of those reasons.
To all the American evangelical zyonuts- do you really think Jesus is on your side?
This User Is Done With Reddit because there are too many ignorant people on there.
People be saying shit like “Empathy bad” and “Jesus is weak” nowadays (actual shit that happened btw).
Umm I see Palestinian men.
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That’s heartbreaking…
Soul crushingly beautiful
Terrorist dinner w stolen aid
Do you think that they're feeding the hostages they still have? Probably just letting them starve some more (if they aren't already dead).
But Isr has been starving hostages childrens turning them into human skeleton, we have video evidence and proof of those. They raped and sexually assault prisoner also proved. The clear difference between how isr treats and how Palestine treats hostages but you chose to ignore facts.
Where is it?
Did you see the hostages that are released? Did they look they starved?
Yes
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/no-words-israel-releases-before-after-pics-of-3-malnourished-hostages-freed-by-hamas-7668866/amp/1
Beautiful
Religious fanatics are fanatical????? Say it aint so
When will the Palestinians be able to have new elections? 🤔
When they are done being bombed.
I really hope things are different now, and people from Palestine can once again vote for there own future
they'll just elect another terrorist
So when they stop supporting Hamas.
The vast majority of the ppl who voted for Hamas back then have been long dead. The majority of living Palestinians are under the voting age and most of them haven’t been able to vote
If the Palestinians wanted peace they would have kicked out Hamas. The people of Egypt and Tunisia could do it
They won't because they all remember Black September.
The palestinians destroyed every country who accepted them, always starting a civil war.
Basically a death cult...
Great shout. No country wants to import their brand of terrorism
Yep, this is just a classic example of the hypocrisy of the Arab world.
They always "support" them but will never actually accept them into their countries.
I just wonder if they really support the palestinians or if they just really hate Israel.
They don't hate Israel. They're using the Palestinians to distract their own people from their problems. They will keep saying they support Palestinians but keep on making business deals with Israel. Soon Saudi Arabia will be partners with Israel.
Isreali supporters are seriously braindead, judging by these comments
As a Viet person, it’s scary to imagine how these mfs would have talked about my civilian North Vietnamese relatives if these were the 1960s and 1970s
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Italian here, know 0 people which hold israel's opinions, cities here regularly have pro palestine protests
People who have pro israel opinion hide them in my country because of harasment, and the risk of violence
I think you're on a different kind of Reddit. This site is overwhelmingly pro - Palestine.
IDF bots having to work overtime since the genocide began.
Ohhhh, I love jihadists who claim that every user who doesn’t align with their jihadist narrative is actually a bot.
Well, we’ll let the IDF clean Gaza from Hamas, who have committed atrocities against their own people.
Looks like a demolition site.
This User Is Done With Reddit because there are too many ignorant people on there.
Can’t see a single woman on site
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Imagine if they got together like this to over throw Hamas
Till Americans overthrow MAGA they cannot talk
Imagine if isreal didn't occupy their land their wouldn't be no hamaz.
Hamaz only exists because of the terrorist organisations that is isreal
Spot on. You nailed it.
Not exactly. Hamas exists as an affront to Israel but killing and oppressing Jews is a tale as old as time in the Middle East.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1834_looting_of_Safed
https://aish.com/history-of-the-jews-of-yemen/
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-hebron-massacre-of-1929
https://www.timesofisrael.com/ignored-by-the-un-mizrahi-jews-survived-pogroms-and-expulsions-too/amp/
be realistic, there is no Hamas in the west bank yet that doesn't seem to stop expansion of illegal settlements
there's plenty of Hamas in the west bank. they just don't govern it
Amazing, resilient people
Ready to take and kill some more hostages soon I see.
Wow Zionists and bots are strong here. Amazing pictures! I am glad to see that although they are not getting a break from hardships, their spirit is not broken.
Ohhhh, I love jihadists who claim that every user who doesn’t align with their jihadist narrative is actually a bot.
Well, we’ll let the IDF clean Gaza from Hamas, who have committed atrocities against their own people.
Nice try, genocidal jihadist.
I think that is what is so special about the Palestinians, truly remarkable resolve!
Gosh, they sure recovered quick from the 'genocide'.
Dont forget the famine.
Only men at the table.
Multiple women in pic seven dipshit.
Beautiful!
I just have one question, how come they all are getting everything but there are countless African children who die due to hunger ignored by the whole world ?
Their resilience is beautiful in a terrible situation.... Holding back tears
Shame on Israel and their brain dead Zio supporters
I gotta say, I admire the racket. Gotta have a complete lack of shame to pull it off, but Palestinians do it so well.
Convince yourselves and your useful idiot supporters that Israel is trying it’s hardest to wipe you out of existence and when it inevitably doesn’t happen (because of course, this is a glorified hostage situation), y’all convince yourselves and each other that Palestinians just survived the Battle of Thermopylae.
Found one 😂 , it’s a genocide as stated by human right organizations such as amnesty international, and hostages? You’re kidding right? Israel has had hundreds of Palestinian children they KIDNAPPED out of their homes during their hundreds of illegal raids and held them hostage in their CHILD prisons way before October 7 2023 Where children are tortured and more that half with no charges kidnapped for years. as reported by save the children. Zionist bs propaganda won’t work .
Oh yeah, the local Arabs were butchering Jews long before they even thought about stealing the name Palestine from the great Romans and their flag from Jordan.
Even before 1948!
Don’t forget the Hebron Massacre at 1929 or the Haifa Massacre at 1947.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haifa_Oil_Refinery_massacre
Nice try, jihadist propagandist.
Edit: LOLLL the jihadist liar commented and blocked me as if those events are not all over the internet.
Never trust those islamonazi liars. They always block after getting exposed.
But, but, I was assured Israel was committing the worst genocide evuh. How are all the genocided people still alive?
Those are powerful images
so is there famine and hunger in Gaza or not?
if you are lying, at least be consistent.
Indomitable but a complete failure in making their lives less miserable. And no, don't try to say it's all Israel's fault.
Maybe it was not a good idea to have a terrorist Organisation as a government.
Some people I’ve heard say this is an externally funded PR stunt.
Cool pictures, I'm still not a fan of a cause whose chief supporters are islamic far right nationalist bent on retribution and violence against innocent people.
Free Palestine!
Free Palestine from Hamas!
Free for America, cant wait for Trump to take it.
This will probably win photo of the year. How powerful.
Much like the Phoenix, Gazans are seen here rising from the ashes.
All while they are still holding & are complicit in holding innocent hostages, and refusing to release them.
Palestinians aren’t holding hostages. Hamas is. Try harder.
Also complain to Netanyahu about that shit. He’s the guy who decided air strikes are the best way to get hostages back…dumbass
who elected hamas? who is ruled by hamas since 2006? are hamas members not Palestinian?
stop treating the Palestinians like 10 year olds that cant do no harm, its time that they take accountability for their actions.
Do you think this level of unity would exist if the united states faced the same situation?
Palestine just lost all my support. How can I support a nation/society when it's a society for men only and clearly no women are allowed? Since their culture doesn't include women to sit there, or doesn't make women comfortable to sit at the table, or it's too dangerous for them to sit there with men, or whatever other reason - it's not a society I am capable of supporting.