Let's just say that he's the most interesting / challenging one out of the Dream Warriors bunch and yeah after a while one can come to appreciate that.
Him and abs rad are the only bosses I haven’t radiant.
The thing with most of the dream bosses is that I adore their regular boss fights, save for Markoth but even his base fight isn’t miserable since he, ya know, has ground you can land on to dodge everything.
Then they ruined most of them by either removing the ground or adding thorns to make the arena smaller, both which I loathe. Meanwhile the two that stayed the same were my favorite to radiant.
Honestly might try doing all the dream warriors hitless but on the base difficulty so I can radiant them having fun
‘can and will get hit’ 💔not really ideal on radiant mate but thanks for the help anyway. the thing is he is just simply unfair. sure i can equip optimal charms and use ‘the best’ strategies but god damn this guy just suuuucks
‘can and will get hit’ 💔not really ideal on radiant mate but thanks for the help anyway
This is the radiant strategy my guy. I'm advising you play riskier and faster in the first phase, because resetting early is much much faster than than what you need to do to consistently do him hitless (ESPECIALLY since you can still get hit doing everything right hitless)
Well let's just say you were right not to use said "Radiant strategy" as it's possibly the worst option. Pogoing him is terrible.
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11 Great / Dash Slashes (but 10 really as you can Dash Slash right as the fight starts), with the proper loadout to bypass his P2 with Shade Souls. Nail Arts aren't particularly useful until R. Markoth (and great for R. Oblobbles as well (and even R. Soul Tyrant IMO) and later on for P3AB and onwards if you want to get to that one day.
Learning when to get in when his shield spins to go with normal hits (and still the same SOUL gathering strat). But if you solely focus on dodging when he's not spinning his shield then it takes a rather long try with each try indeed.
Elegy strat, but you can't bypass his P2 with it so it's an option but remains a meh one.
Pogoing. Even the best HK players don't want to be near Markoth's shield as there's no logic to it. Sure you'll get a win once in a blue moon but it's not worth your time, especially if you intend to do more in the game, you're better off learning how to properly do it whether with 1 or 2.
Well let's just say you were right not to use said "Radiant strategy" as it's possibly the worst option. Pogoing him is terrible.
If you're gonna criticize it, at least have the stones to actually do so directly.
I recommend this option for people who just want to get a simple clear easy. It is fast, easy, and avoids the length of time needed to truly learn the radkoth fight. It sacrifices consistency for those things, but if you're only going for the single clear, it'll get you there the fastest.
11 Great / Dash Slashes (but 10 really as you can Dash Slash right as the fight starts), with the proper loadout to bypass his P2 with Shade Souls.
This is true, but is much much slower than pogoing, much harder to do, and your resets can happen much later in the fight.
Learning when to get in when his shield spins to go with normal hits (and still the same SOUL gathering strat). But if you solely focus on dodging when he's not spinning his shield then it takes a rather long try with each try indeed.
This is just strat 1 but objectively worse. Not sure why you'd even mention it outside of AB prep.
Elegy strat, but you can't bypass his P2 with it so it's an option but remains a meh ones
This is just slow. So slow. It's the slowest of the 4. Sure, it'd theoretictly be safe and consistent, but when the knives can do knife things time works against you.
Pogoing. Even the best HK players don't want to be near Markoth's shield as there's no logic to it.
I think it's funny you cite the shield as the issue when a knife spawning under you is the actual pogo killer. You can just pogo the shield. There is a chance it switches directions at the worst possible time, but that happens less than knives.
Sure you'll get a win once in a blue moon
It takes 10 minutes of retrying generously for a 30 second total fight. Your entire fight example took 2 minutes of fighting and you and I both know it takes longer at lower skill levels.
Again, my rec was not for the most consistent, or best long term strat. It's for folk who want to be fighting Radkoth for as little as possible.
If you're gonna criticize it, at least have the stones to actually do so directly.
Ahah I love arguing about HK/SS related stuff, especially gameplay wise, so rest assured I wasn't trying to avoid it. Just felt more useful to congratulate OP and valid his choice / keep the help on going, like I do in most Markoth / PV / Abs Rad / Charms related threads.
I recommend this option for people who just want to get a simple clear easy.
Lol It's everything but simple and easy (concept is, execution isn't), it's random and frustrating, and it also doesn't teach the player anything. It'll just comfort them into thinking it's just purely RNG. And while it is, there are ways around it, pogoing him isn't one of them.
This is just strat 1 but objectively worse. Not sure why you'd even mention it outside of AB prep.
No this is strat 1 safer but slower, and for those who wouldn't want to deal with Nail Arts. It still teaches them something very valuable (which I never even bothered learning myself but I'm still gonna present it as an option) that they can re-use in every situations, whether it's Attuned / Asc or AB (I don't even get why it'd be a strat leaning more towards AB btw).
This is just slow. So slow. It's the slowest of the 4. Sure, it'd theoretictly be safe and consistent, but when the knives can do knife things time works against you.
Oh I agree. I don't like the Elegy way one bit, but I'd still prefer using it to the randomness of pogoing him (which btw I tried quite a bit back then mind you, I'm not talking of it with no experience).
I think it's funny you cite the shield as the issue when a knife spawning under you is the actual pogo killer.
Well it's both. You're just adding more RNG to an already RNG based situation, no matter which part you choose to look at it first.
It takes 10 minutes of retrying generously for a 30 second total fight. Your entire fight example took 2 minutes of fighting and you and I both know it takes longer at lower skill levels.
Last part is true, yet again I didn't do the Dash Slash at the beginning so there's a bit of time to be saved. As for the rest, I'd just end up repeating myself regarding teaching players something VS mindlessly going at it over and over until finally it happens.
Also considering OP's frustration, it's safe to assume he already tried pogoing anyway as it's probably the first strat we all went with without prior advices given.
Again, my rec was not for the most consistent, or best long term strat. It's for folk who want to be fighting Radkoth for as little as possible.
Even though we seem to disagree, I understand where you're coming from, it's the face tanking attitude and I definitely noted you didn't call it consistent. I just can't recommend it to people or agree to it being "the Radiant way" in good faith as the cons tops the pros by a large margin IMO.
It can be rather quick, sure, but also can take an awful amount of frustrating attempts. Again to me it's just adding RNG to an already RNG perceived fight...
This reminds me of "should I spend hours in HoG to practice or should I just go at P5 to reach Abs Rad ?". Teach a man how to fish instead of giving him a fish each day kind of thing.
Lol It's everything but simple and easy (concept is, execution isn't),
Execution is. I'm not sure why you're insisting it isn't. All it takes is a few seconds of the knives cooperating to get to phase 2. "oh but thats rng." Yes, but these are 5 second resets. It's shorter overall.
(I don't even get why it'd be a strat leaning more towards AB btw).
No charms and lower nail damage mean being able to get more hits in to build soul is better.
It can be rather quick, sure, but also can take an awful amount of frustrating attempts. Again to me it's just adding RNG to an already RNG perceived fight...
You're looking at it from our skill level. Where the odds of making a mistake are lower than the odds of getting unlucky. It will take more time overall to get to that level vs. learning a pogo into kill.
Teach a man how to fish instead of giving him a fish each day kind of thing.
Which is great and all. But teaching a man to fish is silly when they want only want one thing of fish sticks. You gotta meat people where they're at. Not everyone likes fishing.
No charms and lower nail damage mean being able to get more hits in to build soul is better.
I mean chances are that if you learned to do it a certain way, you won't change it for Markoth unless forced to. Which happens in P2 where we have to trade Shade Souls for Shrieking but other than that... eh. Mathematically you might be right I guess.
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Regarding the rest, I'll just say you seem to underestimate the skill of someone who managed to Radiant every other bosses ? Maybe ? I mean it's not their first rodeo either and dare I say I've been proving right countless times by now as people usually manage to beat Markoth very quickly after being shown the NAs + bypass way ; so no I still don't think it outweights the cons. But we won't agree so I'm glad you made a shorter reply lol.
I'll just add (and call it a day here) that "not liking to fish" when you already did 42 hitless bosses would be a weird state of mind to have. One probably went over the unwillingness to learn quite a few times by then (idk for things like Oblobbles, Watcher Knights, GPZ and all the usual suspects that people don't like to do hitless at first (even Abs Rad as some say she's easier than Markoth (...yeah, no))).
I mean chances are that if you learned to do it a certain way, you won't change it for Markoth unless forced to.
I don't understand this logic at all. Shifting to more spell use is the move in AB. Normal hits are the logical extension of that. Especially when you can't spell spam
Regarding the rest, I'll just say you seem to underestimate the skill of someone who managed to Radiant every other bosses ? Maybe ?
No? How many folks radiant all the bosses but get stuck on markoth. Its a meme for a reason lol
I say I've been proving right countless times by now as people usually manage to beat Markoth very quickly after being shown the NAs + bypass way
And I can just as easily point to the 10 minutes of pogoing attempt to bypass the fight clears. You agree it's harder to do the consistent strat. So I'm not sure how we're still on this specific point. It takes longer to learn the nart strat.
I'll just add (and call it a day here) that "not liking to fish" when you already did 42 hitless bosses would be a weird state of mind to have.
One of your points is strat 1 is useful for doing p5ab/hitless, which I think most folks radianting Markoth aren't planning on doing.
even Abs Rad as some say she's easier than Markoth
Absrad is definitely easier than Markoth once you know both fights. Because she's consistent lolol.
This boss removed my desire to finish the last Pantheon
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I just don't feel any pull to do it, it's been about 6 years since I felt the desire to grind the pantheons
Just damage tank and spell spam
You dont need to get gud at markoth u just gotta get good at the boss before and after markoth
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SHAW congrats!
I mean it's Markoth hating Markoth is completely justified and all the people who say Markoth is a good boss are masochists
it's more that I'm impressed by how hard a spinny thing speary thing boss is
Let's just say that he's the most interesting / challenging one out of the Dream Warriors bunch and yeah after a while one can come to appreciate that.
Lohow bar
I'm not sure what that is supposed to mean tbh ahah.
Low bar ? If so... yeah. Def agree with that. Dream Warriors are a stain for the most part IMO.
It's low bar with a breath in the middle lol
Ahah alright then !
It's okay. Markoth can always be a deader horse
Him and abs rad are the only bosses I haven’t radiant.
The thing with most of the dream bosses is that I adore their regular boss fights, save for Markoth but even his base fight isn’t miserable since he, ya know, has ground you can land on to dodge everything.
Then they ruined most of them by either removing the ground or adding thorns to make the arena smaller, both which I loathe. Meanwhile the two that stayed the same were my favorite to radiant.
Honestly might try doing all the dream warriors hitless but on the base difficulty so I can radiant them having fun
The only one I couldnt beatbon radiant. Some day, some day ill try again I swear
What about oblobbles? The only fucking thing I like about them is that they have a ground
Well good to know that after beating him and finish all radiant your last challenge is probably P1-4 all binding, then finally P5 all binding
The funniest part about Markoth is that it was a backer character, so somewhere out there exists a guy who you can 100% blame for his existence.
Equip shaman stone, spell twister, soul eater, and mark of pride.
Pogo first phase exclusively. You can and will get hit sometimes, but it's fast and consistent enough to be faster than trying to do it consistently.
Once you get it down to phase 2, two dash slashes and spell spam will kill him.
Not fun, not consistent. Not a good expression of skill. But fast.
‘can and will get hit’ 💔not really ideal on radiant mate but thanks for the help anyway. the thing is he is just simply unfair. sure i can equip optimal charms and use ‘the best’ strategies but god damn this guy just suuuucks
This is the radiant strategy my guy. I'm advising you play riskier and faster in the first phase, because resetting early is much much faster than than what you need to do to consistently do him hitless (ESPECIALLY since you can still get hit doing everything right hitless)
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Well let's just say you were right not to use said "Radiant strategy" as it's possibly the worst option. Pogoing him is terrible.
It goes :
No matter how you did it though, well played :D
If you're interested in a good Radiant loadout.
If you're gonna criticize it, at least have the stones to actually do so directly.
I recommend this option for people who just want to get a simple clear easy. It is fast, easy, and avoids the length of time needed to truly learn the radkoth fight. It sacrifices consistency for those things, but if you're only going for the single clear, it'll get you there the fastest.
This is true, but is much much slower than pogoing, much harder to do, and your resets can happen much later in the fight.
This is just strat 1 but objectively worse. Not sure why you'd even mention it outside of AB prep.
This is just slow. So slow. It's the slowest of the 4. Sure, it'd theoretictly be safe and consistent, but when the knives can do knife things time works against you.
I think it's funny you cite the shield as the issue when a knife spawning under you is the actual pogo killer. You can just pogo the shield. There is a chance it switches directions at the worst possible time, but that happens less than knives.
It takes 10 minutes of retrying generously for a 30 second total fight. Your entire fight example took 2 minutes of fighting and you and I both know it takes longer at lower skill levels.
Again, my rec was not for the most consistent, or best long term strat. It's for folk who want to be fighting Radkoth for as little as possible.
Ahah I love arguing about HK/SS related stuff, especially gameplay wise, so rest assured I wasn't trying to avoid it. Just felt more useful to congratulate OP and valid his choice / keep the help on going, like I do in most Markoth / PV / Abs Rad / Charms related threads.
Lol It's everything but simple and easy (concept is, execution isn't), it's random and frustrating, and it also doesn't teach the player anything. It'll just comfort them into thinking it's just purely RNG. And while it is, there are ways around it, pogoing him isn't one of them.
No this is strat 1 safer but slower, and for those who wouldn't want to deal with Nail Arts. It still teaches them something very valuable (which I never even bothered learning myself but I'm still gonna present it as an option) that they can re-use in every situations, whether it's Attuned / Asc or AB (I don't even get why it'd be a strat leaning more towards AB btw).
Oh I agree. I don't like the Elegy way one bit, but I'd still prefer using it to the randomness of pogoing him (which btw I tried quite a bit back then mind you, I'm not talking of it with no experience).
Well it's both. You're just adding more RNG to an already RNG based situation, no matter which part you choose to look at it first.
Last part is true, yet again I didn't do the Dash Slash at the beginning so there's a bit of time to be saved. As for the rest, I'd just end up repeating myself regarding teaching players something VS mindlessly going at it over and over until finally it happens.
Also considering OP's frustration, it's safe to assume he already tried pogoing anyway as it's probably the first strat we all went with without prior advices given.
Even though we seem to disagree, I understand where you're coming from, it's the face tanking attitude and I definitely noted you didn't call it consistent. I just can't recommend it to people or agree to it being "the Radiant way" in good faith as the cons tops the pros by a large margin IMO.
It can be rather quick, sure, but also can take an awful amount of frustrating attempts. Again to me it's just adding RNG to an already RNG perceived fight...
This reminds me of "should I spend hours in HoG to practice or should I just go at P5 to reach Abs Rad ?". Teach a man how to fish instead of giving him a fish each day kind of thing.
Execution is. I'm not sure why you're insisting it isn't. All it takes is a few seconds of the knives cooperating to get to phase 2. "oh but thats rng." Yes, but these are 5 second resets. It's shorter overall.
No charms and lower nail damage mean being able to get more hits in to build soul is better.
You're looking at it from our skill level. Where the odds of making a mistake are lower than the odds of getting unlucky. It will take more time overall to get to that level vs. learning a pogo into kill.
Which is great and all. But teaching a man to fish is silly when they want only want one thing of fish sticks. You gotta meat people where they're at. Not everyone likes fishing.
I mean chances are that if you learned to do it a certain way, you won't change it for Markoth unless forced to. Which happens in P2 where we have to trade Shade Souls for Shrieking but other than that... eh. Mathematically you might be right I guess.
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Regarding the rest, I'll just say you seem to underestimate the skill of someone who managed to Radiant every other bosses ? Maybe ? I mean it's not their first rodeo either and dare I say I've been proving right countless times by now as people usually manage to beat Markoth very quickly after being shown the NAs + bypass way ; so no I still don't think it outweights the cons. But we won't agree so I'm glad you made a shorter reply lol.
I'll just add (and call it a day here) that "not liking to fish" when you already did 42 hitless bosses would be a weird state of mind to have. One probably went over the unwillingness to learn quite a few times by then (idk for things like Oblobbles, Watcher Knights, GPZ and all the usual suspects that people don't like to do hitless at first (even Abs Rad as some say she's easier than Markoth (...yeah, no))).
I don't understand this logic at all. Shifting to more spell use is the move in AB. Normal hits are the logical extension of that. Especially when you can't spell spam
No? How many folks radiant all the bosses but get stuck on markoth. Its a meme for a reason lol
And I can just as easily point to the 10 minutes of pogoing attempt to bypass the fight clears. You agree it's harder to do the consistent strat. So I'm not sure how we're still on this specific point. It takes longer to learn the nart strat.
One of your points is strat 1 is useful for doing p5ab/hitless, which I think most folks radianting Markoth aren't planning on doing.
Absrad is definitely easier than Markoth once you know both fights. Because she's consistent lolol.
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Good job my guy!
well you're certainly not beating a dead moth
Don't worry, doesn't matter the hate, it is still not enough for Markoth.
git gud
Hmm. That's an odd way to spell "Savage Beast fly".