For example, in the mid 1800s, we drew a line on a map over the territory of the Kumeyaay Tribe. The ones that wound up on the Mexican side of that line instantly became just "Mexicans" to us; the ones on our side were "Indians".
Around the 1970s, the descendants of the Kumeyaay people on our side of the border, who were living in reservations by this time, came to be commonly referred to as "Native Americans", and the descendants of the Kumeyaay on the Mexican side of the border came to be known as "Hispanics".
I should note that, as of 1977, the US government has defined "Hispanic"to mean “A person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race.”
This means that, as far as the US government is concerned, the descendants of the Kumeyaay people who are born on our side of the border are simply of an indigenous race (Native American), while the descendants of the Kumeyaay people who are born on the Mexican side of the line are of an indigenous race - of the Hispanic ethnicity (i.e., indigenous Hispanics).
Well, most South American countries got their independence and banned slavery within the same century; usually within 10-50 years.
The US took >100 years which is certainly up there in terms of the delay between independence and abolition. Not to mention the fact that during independence the US was already relatively more developed than those other countries were and the government was very officially planned out (i.e. the US had less shit to figure out before getting to abolition yet it still took them longer).
Effectively, the US made a very conscious choice through multiple generations to maintain and grow slavery before abolishing it, while most other American continent countries did abolition in the same generation as their independence - they just didn't get to it as a first-thing.
Sure, but they (alongside Spain, France, Portugal, etc.) were also literally the colonizers, wealth extractors, genociders, and slavers of the Americas (and elsewhere). None of those European nations deserves any grace with regards to this.
I give no grace and didn't try to. Just think it's ironic that the Dutch of all people said we need to stop doing this and the US was like hold my beer.
Hispanics didn’t do it. SPANIARDS did it to natives, and hispanics are the result of the rape Spaniards inflicted upon the natives. So you see? Spaniards, did it and it is seemingly forgotten that they were the first in the America to mass enslaved and massacre people.
I've always wondered how strange it was that trains somehow became "unamerican" in favour of car based infrastructure and a billion parking lots when trains made America happen at all.
Cars basically personify freedom/independence. Sure it's more expensive and worse for the climate, but America was rich anyway and the climate didn't matter.
Yeah but America kinda actively tore down it's existing railway infrastructure for roads 💀. Imo it's more about the options at hand than anything. Would be better if you had the freedom to choose, especially with how much I've heard Americans complain about the ridiculous commuting hours they have to endure.
And forgive my commie ass for saying this- would be great for struggling Americans that can't yet afford a car. Especially considering the fact that almost every first world nation with way less money has that option.
That was an engineering marvel, if I've ever seen one. So efficient that I struggle to believe it was simply good disaster planning and not planned. I still remember the time lapse, they didn't miss a beat.
One of the first places in the modern western hemisphere to outlaw slavery and give freedom to any slaves that crossed the border from the US. The US didn’t like that and invaded Mexico. Later on when the pro slavery south confederates got their ass handed to them in the civil war, some fled to Brazil where slavery was still legal and made a little enclave that I think to this day is still pro slavery.
These are the people who hold no value for human life so none should given to them specifically.
Yes and no more of just native Americans selling other native Americans to white people but the Mayans also did sell enemy tribe POWs which would by considered Mexicans now out to the Spaniards just like African tribes selling enemy POW tribesman
They lived on the very southern part of mexico and in neighboring countries of guatemala belize honduras and el salvador. The yucatan peninsula was full of mayan people.
Most of Mexico was Aztec. Mexico's Yucatan peninsula was Mayan, along with Central America. Their different cultures still come through clearly. Mayan Yucatan is noticeably more hygienic. I eat street food in the Yucatan without getting sick. I no longer risk that in the rest of Mexico.
It’s ironic that a black man (or woman) was qualified to do everything that kept a white man alive and happy but was somehow inferior to the white man who was a mere consumer of their talents
Nah they tried using the local population as slaves, but found that they got worked to death too quickly and so started bringing in black slaves who were far more durable.
My FIL is 78 and insists on cutting his 3/4 acre lawn with a push mower because it's more accurate than a riding lawn mower. When he's done with that he'll do something like paint the house or tile the bathroom.
Hernán Cortés wrote the Letters of Relation. These are letters to the Spanish king to justify his unauthorized conquest and convince Spain to give him more money and support. In them, he exaggerated Aztec brutality and human sacrifice to make the invasion look like a righteous mission rather than a grab for power.
I imagine if you did enough deep digging into that time period you likely can find instances of hispanic/latinx peoples being sold into American servitude
Mexicans are generally some of the hardest working people. I work around Hispanic folk most days, and it’s true. They work twice as hard and as long as the guys that work for me, and for probably half the pay my guys get paid. And without all the bitching.
u/double-O-cheese, your post does fit the subreddit!
Not so fun fact: The guy who tweeted that is dead
What did you do
It was his time
They got him
What the fuck do you mean they got him?!
I liked him too.
He always shared his dunkaroos.
Someone hired a Mexican hit man. Black people were taking too long
They killed him because he spoke the truth
Username checks out
Just proving his point. He lives out a full life in a fraction of the time.
Source?
should be somewhere in here
That’s one massive rabbit hole
So is YOUR MOM
Ha, got 'em
So is your Dad
No fucking way this is an actual article
I can't find one but if you go on Twitter and search "popson", there'll be a bunch of tweets referencing his death in some way
somewhere in Mehico
Its fun for me
You Mexican?
No, I'm chinese
"Mexican homie named chinese mike"
He might be called Mike Yin!
Let’s start putting his face on everything
Averagely fun fact, the Roman numeral for 5 is V
I mean there's a reason Mexicans are speaking Spanish.
It's amazing how Hispanics fly under the radar on the colonizer/slaver talk, while being the first to do that shit here
It’s even more amazing they’re doing the work Americans find beneath them but those are the ones bitching about immigrants.
Those are the indigenous Hispanics (basically the equivalent of native Americans).
You're not going to find the white Central and South American descendants of slave owners doing that kind of labor here
Why is this so downvoted?
“Indigenous” isn’t a word MAGA understands. Too many syllables.
Too easily confused with immigrant.
I guarantee you some red hat will read this and say outloud, "Stoopud liberals, its the same thing"
Downvotes! MAGA checks in!!
Like science, fact and truth for liberals.
Excuse me? What does that mean?
For example, in the mid 1800s, we drew a line on a map over the territory of the Kumeyaay Tribe. The ones that wound up on the Mexican side of that line instantly became just "Mexicans" to us; the ones on our side were "Indians".
Around the 1970s, the descendants of the Kumeyaay people on our side of the border, who were living in reservations by this time, came to be commonly referred to as "Native Americans", and the descendants of the Kumeyaay on the Mexican side of the border came to be known as "Hispanics".
I should note that, as of 1977, the US government has defined "Hispanic"to mean “A person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race.”
This means that, as far as the US government is concerned, the descendants of the Kumeyaay people who are born on our side of the border are simply of an indigenous race (Native American), while the descendants of the Kumeyaay people who are born on the Mexican side of the line are of an indigenous race - of the Hispanic ethnicity (i.e., indigenous Hispanics).
So it's once again due to the fucked up map drawing skills of the west
I have never heard a more wrong statement in my life. Everyone who reads this is dumber for having seen it and may God have mercy on your soul.
Bless your heart.
Well, most South American countries got their independence and banned slavery within the same century; usually within 10-50 years.
The US took >100 years which is certainly up there in terms of the delay between independence and abolition. Not to mention the fact that during independence the US was already relatively more developed than those other countries were and the government was very officially planned out (i.e. the US had less shit to figure out before getting to abolition yet it still took them longer).
Effectively, the US made a very conscious choice through multiple generations to maintain and grow slavery before abolishing it, while most other American continent countries did abolition in the same generation as their independence - they just didn't get to it as a first-thing.
Ehhhh...we still dabble, the 13th amend is still being used
Yup it was never banned in the US. We enshrined it in our constitution with the 13th.
I'd like to see the % of the US population with indigenous ancestry compared with other south American countries.
The Dutch and the UK banned slavery before the US.
Sure, but they (alongside Spain, France, Portugal, etc.) were also literally the colonizers, wealth extractors, genociders, and slavers of the Americas (and elsewhere). None of those European nations deserves any grace with regards to this.
I give no grace and didn't try to. Just think it's ironic that the Dutch of all people said we need to stop doing this and the US was like hold my beer.
It’s 89 years to be exact.
The first? You must not know anything about the Aztec.
Damn, how far back are we going😅
All the way to the pyramids baby
Hispanics didn’t do it. SPANIARDS did it to natives, and hispanics are the result of the rape Spaniards inflicted upon the natives. So you see? Spaniards, did it and it is seemingly forgotten that they were the first in the America to mass enslaved and massacre people.
Lol, because they aren't white enough.
The US narrative is to dismantle the country that was built primarily by white men.
In order to do that you need a constant narrative from all sides that white men bad. Social media, news outlets, pop stars, etc ..
Once you have enough social momentum, truth and facts are meaningless.
The hive mentality kicks in and you are afraid to speak against the perceived majority.
It is the playbook the CIA uses to overthrow governments via PsyOps...
Idk, I feel like the original white man in the new world spoke Spanish...
And everyone in the US is in on this "CIA psy-op" except... the government. gotcha
It isn't about who started it it's about who did it more.
Then you should be attack the middle east, they had slavery into the 1970s
And neither of those is the US.
Same reason as why english is spoken in USA and Canada?
Kinda sad, they could have been speaking French if we won the battle of Puebla on cinquo de mayo.
And have Spanish last names, thanks Cortez.
Spaniards didn’t enslave South Americans…
"He's out of line, but he's right"
He's out, offline.
lmao
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Yeah, just look at china
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Quiters?
Quitters?
Quittters?
Qlitoris?
Quilters.
Queefers.
the quilted quicker picker upper asians~
Mic drop!
Not so ironically, so do South Korea and China.These countries with Confucian values have similar work cultures to a large extent.
And they are the most economically successful countries on the continent
hello!
Yoi cant colonize a colonizer
Quebecois: c'est vrai!
Didn’t the US have Chinese slaves too?
The Chinese and Irish built our railroads. While they weren't chattel, it was close enough.
You're forgetting freedmen. It made the Irish pay look good.
Oh man I remember the series on this. "Hell on wheels"
I've always wondered how strange it was that trains somehow became "unamerican" in favour of car based infrastructure and a billion parking lots when trains made America happen at all.
Cars basically personify freedom/independence. Sure it's more expensive and worse for the climate, but America was rich anyway and the climate didn't matter.
Yeah but America kinda actively tore down it's existing railway infrastructure for roads 💀. Imo it's more about the options at hand than anything. Would be better if you had the freedom to choose, especially with how much I've heard Americans complain about the ridiculous commuting hours they have to endure.
And forgive my commie ass for saying this- would be great for struggling Americans that can't yet afford a car. Especially considering the fact that almost every first world nation with way less money has that option.
Yeah they did in the central pacific
Not slaves but yes. They worked harder than Americans for less so came the Chinese Exclusion Act.
Chinese Exclusion Act is because they were getting white woman in their opium dens and they weren't having that shit
Pero no sufren el síndrome de Estocolmo, asi que te perderias los agradecimientos.
i'm still in awe how the chinese build a hospital within days at the start of covid exclusively for patients of the virus.
That was an engineering marvel, if I've ever seen one. So efficient that I struggle to believe it was simply good disaster planning and not planned. I still remember the time lapse, they didn't miss a beat.
Well you see the Mexicans weren’t trying to sell other Mexicans to the white people. At least I don’t think so
Until now.
No no no that's just a rental. She's a virgin.
we had 300 years as slaves for the Spanish, so...
One of the first places in the modern western hemisphere to outlaw slavery and give freedom to any slaves that crossed the border from the US. The US didn’t like that and invaded Mexico. Later on when the pro slavery south confederates got their ass handed to them in the civil war, some fled to Brazil where slavery was still legal and made a little enclave that I think to this day is still pro slavery.
These are the people who hold no value for human life so none should given to them specifically.
yeah, after mexico became independent.
nowadays, with the cartels, slavery has been back in MX for a while, btw
America still has one of those ...it's called "the south".
In America it’s called the for profit prison model. 14th amendment says anyone imprisoned is fair game for slavery.
How many years as slaves for neighboring tribes?
please don't go into justifying a continental genocide with that argument...
Yes and no more of just native Americans selling other native Americans to white people but the Mayans also did sell enemy tribe POWs which would by considered Mexicans now out to the Spaniards just like African tribes selling enemy POW tribesman
I always thought the Mayans were further south than Mexico. I thought the Puebloans were more in Mexico. Please correct me if I’m wrong though
They lived on the very southern part of mexico and in neighboring countries of guatemala belize honduras and el salvador. The yucatan peninsula was full of mayan people.
Most of Mexico was Aztec. Mexico's Yucatan peninsula was Mayan, along with Central America. Their different cultures still come through clearly. Mayan Yucatan is noticeably more hygienic. I eat street food in the Yucatan without getting sick. I no longer risk that in the rest of Mexico.
Yo dude I think your right I think there guatamalans
Huh? What are you on about?
I think Mayans in modern times are Guatemalans
Mexicans didn't exist back then. Aztecs did, but they were a bit busy being plagued, genocided, and colonised by the Spanish.
And the other natives because the Aztec were shit head neighbors.
Don't forget banged. The Spaniards banged the Myans, turned them into Mexicans. My history teacher, Frank Reynolds, told me so.
Mexico existed for half a century before slavery was abolished, so Mexicans absolutely did exist back then
Read up on the history of the Aztecs. They were brutal
If IASIP taught me me anything’s it’s that they hadn’t made Mexicans yet when slavery in the south started.
Because the Mexicans shot the slavers back.
Yeh I dare the gringos to try and do that
Wait till they find out about those Asians far east.
They built the railroad system.
The Spaniards hadn’t banged the natives enough yet to create the Mexicans.
Jesus fuck...
Whites were slaves as well, lest you forget.
Not the Slavic’s though, they clearly were never slaves
That's where the name was derived from. Are you Slavic?
I know it was, I was making a silly joke. Honestly no idea if I have Slavic ancestry
Ah.
It’s ironic that a black man (or woman) was qualified to do everything that kept a white man alive and happy but was somehow inferior to the white man who was a mere consumer of their talents
This might be the single dumbest comment on Reddit today lol
Apparenly, some Confederates knew their number was up when they sent slaves into battle.
Because the white man could probably do everything the slave could, but better?
Lmao...that's funny.
I'm reading it with the voice of uncle roccus no relations
Nah they tried using the local population as slaves, but found that they got worked to death too quickly and so started bringing in black slaves who were far more durable.
I mean that already happens in Mexico in early colonial days were “Mexicans” and Africans got enslaved in what is modern day Mexico
I am Hispanic, and I fully agree
My wife is Mexican and this is not wrong :D
My FIL is 78 and insists on cutting his 3/4 acre lawn with a push mower because it's more accurate than a riding lawn mower. When he's done with that he'll do something like paint the house or tile the bathroom.
They had Mexican slaves....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican%E2%80%93American_War
They tried.
Plus think how much they could have saved on shipping costs!
corona hadn't been invented yet
Time for a slave-down
Fact check me, but i believe it was because the portuguese were buying slaves from rival tribes in africa and selling them to american merchant ships.
I feel bad for laughing at this
Hernán Cortés wrote the Letters of Relation. These are letters to the Spanish king to justify his unauthorized conquest and convince Spain to give him more money and support. In them, he exaggerated Aztec brutality and human sacrifice to make the invasion look like a righteous mission rather than a grab for power.
Its been so long since I saw that tweet.
I imagine if you did enough deep digging into that time period you likely can find instances of hispanic/latinx peoples being sold into American servitude
oof
This sounds like something uncle ruckus from the bondocks would tweet ! 😭
OP Black slaves did 500 years. But don’t let facts get in the way of your ignorance.
As a Mexican yeah this checks out
can someone explain pls
Mexicans are generally some of the hardest working people. I work around Hispanic folk most days, and it’s true. They work twice as hard and as long as the guys that work for me, and for probably half the pay my guys get paid. And without all the bitching.
I’d say that goes to Filpinos or Chinese man they work in far worse conditions for barley and yen or you could Indians to