No it just co-orbits the station. They would need to launch it quite fast in a direction that cancels out the lateral velocity the ball will inherit from the space station. Orbital dynamics is counterintuitive
I mean the station isn't exactly in a perfect orbit though is it? I'd think eventually the orbit of the ball would decay and it would fall. Or would it drift into space?
The space station orbits very close to the earth, to the point where it encounters a very small amount of atmospheric drag and has to fire thrusters every now and then to keep itself in orbit. A bowling ball ejected from the space station would simply deorbit after a couple years.
Garbage fire take. Stonehenge in England, the whitiest white place on earth, is the original “aliens musta built this” because it wasn’t very clear why it was built at all. It wasn’t near any settlements of note and wasn’t clearly dedicated to any religion or Gods with almost 0 markings on it. Just a bunch of random stone obelisks stacked together in a field. Also nobody has mentioned the Easter island heads which is another “who done it” but those people weren’t technically white. They were white because of colonists who came and bred with the indigenous but nobody lives there now. They suspect it was plague brought by colonists or the islanders using all the trees and wood shifting the food production on the island leading to famine.
Oxford dictionary “Obelisk:
a stone pillar, typically having a square or rectangular cross section and a pyramidal top, set up as a monument or landmark.”
Polynesians, South Americans, and native Americans all had interacted with Easter Island natives between 1,300 and 1,500 AD. I said colonists not Europeans
Well, then GPS is another incredible achievement which is easy to prove, or just the existence of smartphones people don't quite understand how fucking insane smartphones and modern computers are
In 1983 Grace Hopper was being interviewed for 60 minutes. The host asked her if the technological revolution was over because they had all these new advancements, surely we had made all we could. And her answer was “We’re just getting started. We’re just beginning to meet what will be the future-we’ve got the Model T.” That's probably my favorite tech related quote.
Them's rookie wonders. Call me back when Space Pharaoh Cleopatra IV conquers the united colonies of Mars and turns Olympus Mons into the biggest burial monument in the solar system.
I mean it’s the same answer for a lot of those questions. For moon walking and pyramid building it’s the same default answer I’m referring to. “Too expensive and not enough return on the investment”.
I mean, to be fair we still build crazy "LOOK AT THIS SHIT!" shit. They just aren't pyramid shaped. There are all types of crazy buildings that pop up around the world every few years. We never stopped building our Pyramids, theres just no glory in an actual pyramid anymore.
We also have buildings so tall that they physically cannot have one elevator that goes top to bottom. The wonders never stopped, we just leverage thousands of years of collective human progress to reach out and touch the heavens. And we do so with such regularity that the wonderous no longer seems so.
RIGHT! Like dude we have robots on another planet right now, we flew a helicopter on Mars and soon we will have submersible diving into a frozen ocean on another planets moon! We are still doing amazing things!
Don’t tell that to the guy Danny jones podcast has on who’s speaking voice is insufferable that believes we did not go to the moon, even argues this to an astronaut who walked on the moon
We are also able to put billions of transistors on a chip the size of a fingerprint. We can travel multiple times the speed of sound. We can communicate across the world in a matter of milliseconds.
We are also able to put billions of transistors on a chip the size of a fingerprint. We can travel multiple times the speed of sound. We can communicate across the world in a matter of milliseconds.
A lot of things in space will be around for more than 4000 years, and things like geo stationary satellites will be around for a few billion years and would easily be able to be detected by a civilisation as advanced as us
The first cell phone was developed by Motorola, an American company.
Ford Motor Company created the modern moving assembly line.
GPS was a US invention.
The US didn't invent the Internet, but ARPANET was important to the creation of the Internet.
The Home Insurance Building in Chicago is considered to be the first skyscraper and was the first building to support its entire wait on an iron frame.
The first smartphone was made by IBM.
Social Media was kinda a joint thing, but many of the first technologies were developed in the US and of course Facebook was made in the US.
FORTRAN, COBOL, C, SQL, and JavaScript were made or contributed to by Americans.
Xerox made the first OS to use a GUI.
The Wright Brothers made the first sustained controlled flight of a heavier than air powered aircraft.
The first aerial circumnavigation of the planet was done by Americans. These guys had to land to refuel though. Don't worry, the US wouldn't be shown up though and the first people to non-stop circumnavigate the globe in a plane were also American.
The US built the Panama Canal.
Samuel Morse helped develop Morse Code and the single-wire telegraph system.
An American was the first person on the moon and only Americans have been on the moon.
The first submarine to reach the north pole was American, and the first one to surface at the north pole was also American.
The first nuclear reactor was made by a team at the University of Chicago. To be fair to Italy, it was led by Enrico Fermi.
I know this is a meme but comparing the timeframes isn't fair. Many thousands of years of human history vs what, the last few hundred? Even so the Three Gorges Dam probably counts as a modern wonder that dwarfs a lot of the ancient ones. Or depending on your definition the Troll A platform (an oil rig) is absurdly large. The Seawise Giant is a ship 3 times as long as the Pyramid of Giza is tall.
Also you know there's literally hundreds of megastructure buildings like the New Century Global Center or Burj Khalifa which are so massive that they would make the Egyptians drop to their knees and shit themselves in awe.
Purifying rock is the distinction. Things made of certain resistant steels or tungsten/titanium will be around for a lot longer than those pyramids and them’s recent recent. So the crashed satellites in our ocean that also have nuclear cores are at such a depth that pressure and low oxidation will prevent rusting. It’ll most likely petrify in the calcium and other free materials floating in the ocean and become fossilized. An entire satellite with its reactor and all. They will be there probably for eternity until earth explodes after collision or solar event atomizes earth.
Theory: Humans, even today, are incapable of building the pyramids.
Evidence: We can’t build a pyramid because we haven’t built one recently. Also here are a couple videos of OSHA violations, where a bunch of idiots lift a big ass rock into a pickup and the axle breaks. So we can’t even move the stones with modern technology.
The New Century Global Center in china is huge (but not the biggest)
the Burj Khalifa is tall as fuck
the Royal Clock Tower in Mecca is an enormous building
airports are crazy huge construction projects
then we have stuff like the 3-Gorges Dam
or the CERN Large Hadron Collider
we've created entire ISLANDS
the pyramids are NOTHING in comparison to what we've done in modern times.
we just know what these things are for, malls, airports, skyscrapers, dams, sports stadiums. there is no mystery surrounding it.
but go visit them and then you will understand they are indeed wonders.
Honestly, every time I drive through NYC I wonder at just how crazy the civil engineering is. Every bridge, highway, subway, aqueduct, sky scraper, would boggle the mind of someone living even 200 years ago. If you drive from Washington Heights to Battery Park you would see literally hundreds of "wonders" to rival the pyramids.
I remember making a wrong turn in France and ending up in a small town with a giant gothic cathedral. No idea it was there before stumbling on it. Took this small town 300 some years to build. It's very impressive what people can do given enough resources, even if it's over hundreds of years,.even during the "dark ages."
I can't wait for archeologists in the year 4000 to dig this up and theorize that we worshipped a Great Fish God who demanded offerings of discount lures and camouflage vests
Feel like I need to step in and correct a historical inaccuracy here.
The Pyramid in Memphis was NOT built as a bass pro shop originally. It was built as an arena and venue. I saw a few games and concert there growing up, even saw a couple traveling museum exhibits.
Eventually Memphis was able to get its own NBA team in the grizzlies. I believe it was the first season, but basically the roof started leaking mid game and it became a big embarrassment. So we built the fedex forum where the grizzlies now play, and then sold the pyramid to bass pro shop.
Part of me really hates that Bass Pro Shops bought it, because it turned an iconic part of the memphis skyline into a giant advert. But at the time there was so much blight downtown it’s arguably better than it just sitting vacant for decades like so many other buildings of the era.
I read the first part of your comment thinking you were talking about Memphis, Egypt, and the thought of a bass pro shop built in a pyramid in ancient Egypt made my day
There’s still so much blight downtown. What I wouldn’t give to have that building with the circle on top be occupied by someone as well as a few of the other buildings. But at least South Main is nice.
People did not stop building wonders in the modern era. In America alone, "One World Trade Center" and "Bass Pro Shops Pyramid" as examples of recent architectural wonders.
I've seen the meme of "people stopped building wonders" and I think this is an exaggeration. It's primarily limited to the USA. Other countries are more likely to make large constructions. And even the USA-only version of the "no more wonders" is inaccurate.
Here are the only "justifiable" reasons and then the Bass Pro Shops Pyramid and One World Trade Center debunk this.
-With the collapse of the Soviet Union, there was less need for wonder grandstanding to make the US more grandiose to help win the Cold War
- Big personal projects were seen as vanity, not making a wonder (so we wouldn't consider those wonders)
-Public buildings: Some political movements were skeptical of big infrastructure projects. This makes it difficult to get the money needed to build wonders.
-Function over form: Taxpayers would not like paying money to make something beautiful if it wasn't going to be useful for them. Many of the big American wonders that do exist like the Interstate system work well because of their function.
-Architectural techniques? (Wonders usually last a long time. However, modern American construction is strong and built fast, but also needs frequent repairs, unlike many construction methods of the past).
-Recency bias: Everyone knows of the Golden Gate Bridge and the Statue of Liberty, but what defines a modern wonder is a bit harder to define.
Honestly the Interstate System as a previous person said, is a better counterexample. Fiberglass-reinforced concrete means it will last relatively long without constant upkeep.
The difference is in the mythos and utility. A huge limestone pyramid isn't practical enough for our modern countries to be building. I live surrounded by departmental towers that are a modern engineering marvel and would drive mad the people who would have witnessed the Pyramids in their prime, let's not talk about the huge corporate buildings or the towering factories in the industrial sectors. But what do we do in there?
People buy stuff in there. People sit down and write counts and reports. People work welding metal parts or refine prime materials. What people of the past would consider shining castles and immense monuments would be socked to hear no king built these and no God appointed them.
unironically, we never stopped trying. Look into any ridiculous Dubai or SA mega projects. We are constantly pushing the boundaries of possibilities and tastes.
The ISS, James Webb Telescope and other spacefaring projects, The Large Hadron Collider, The Three Gorges Dam, I hear that they’re about to finish up the Sagrada Familia Cathedral, the Burj Khalifa is only 15 years old. We got wonders.
We discount our wonders as basic and take them for granted. The old world wonders are more difficult to comprehend and we don’t know their methods or technologies. The mystery is what makes them wondrous to us. Some of them have stood the test of time for thousands of years. I’m sure that some of our wonders are capable of doing the same, we just haven’t become a fallen empire that has been rediscovered thousands of years later. Long point short, it’s all about perception. Our skyscrapers our wonders that many (not all) civilizations of the past did not build and probably could not comprehend in their times.
There could be some impresive buildings recently, even the size of pyramide. Like Dams, or parlament buildings, opera house, some skycrapers. I bet some aliens would consider Bosco Verticale as OMG hanging gardens.
It's not about the shape it's about the meaning. The egyptian pyramids are giant tombs for god emperors, the bass pro thing is just a symbol of the modern decadence and capitalism that plagues our world.
Feel like I need to step in and correct a historical inaccuracy here.
The Pyramid in Memphis was NOT built as a bass pro shop originally. It was built as an arena and venue. I saw a few games and concerts there growing up, even saw a couple traveling museum exhibits.
Eventually Memphis was able to get its own NBA team in the grizzlies. I believe it was the first season, but basically the roof started leaking mid game and it became a big embarrassment. So we built the fedex forum where the grizzlies now play, and then sold the pyramid to bass pro shop.
Part of me really hates that Bass Pro Shops bought it, because it turned an iconic part of the memphis skyline into a giant advert. But at the time there was so much blight downtown it’s arguably better than it just sitting vacant for decades like so many other buildings of the era.
Also my favorite urban legend is that there’s a crystal skull at the top of the memphis pyramid which had weather controlling powers which is how we had multiple snow storms split and go around Memphis. (it’s actually because of the bluffs but crystal skull are cooler)
I think malls are cultural centers, and as I mentioned: while I have my reservations about the giant “Bass Pro Shop” sign, it’s better than it sitting empty and slowly decaying like a lot of buildings in downtown Memphis (although last i visited there’s been quite a bit of renovations and reconstruction downtown)
Frankly, for as gaudy as it absolutely is, it’s a net positive for the city. At least until we achieve a moneyless utopia.
There was once talk of turning it into a hotel or museum but there simply weren’t investors interested in those projects that had the kind of money needed just for upkeep.
Better examples of modern wonders would be stuff like Mt. Rushmore, Crazy Horse, Gateway Arch, Christ the Redeemer, Eiffel Tower, and the Statute of Liberty.
And the fact that Egyptian Emporers built pyramids larger than the previous ruler in a game if one-upmanship showing off their decadence under the guise of religion.
The issue is people, the desire to be better and to a have a place of belonging in a complex world where things cant be sorted neatly (always creating ingroups and outgroups, if a group has everyone then it is no longer a group).
It’s both, and neither. Khufu one upped his father whose pyramids were evolving after the 3rd dynasty pyramids. As egotistical as they were, I like to think perhaps they had sense enough to realize the folly of building one even bigger than khufu’s
OP gotta be kidding around using the Memphis Tennessee Pyramid as an example.
322 ft tall
535,000 sq ft
it's smaller than the Luxor Hotel Pyramid in vegas
if it had to be pyramids they could have used the one in korea as an example
that one is 1080 ft tall and 3,875,000 sq ft wide
I think the current consensus is that Egypt was a highly centralized state with all labor being coordinated through the pharaoh. The pyramids were mostly makework projects for a highly socialized workforce as Egypt had achieved agricultural productivity with food preservation and distribution systems which would not be matched for another 4,000 years.
The biggest thing that people forget is there's a massive space station IN SPACE AND A MAN ON HAS BEEN ON THE MOON
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Just imagine an astronaut throwing a bowling ball. They'd spin like mad while the pins are all floating through the bowling alley
An astronaut throws a bowling ball straight up from the moon and it turns into a meteor
If said astronaut can throw a bowling ball with 2.4km/s velocity, that ain't no astronaut
An astronaut on the ISS simply needs to let go of a bowling ball during a space walk and it turns into a meteor.
No it just co-orbits the station. They would need to launch it quite fast in a direction that cancels out the lateral velocity the ball will inherit from the space station. Orbital dynamics is counterintuitive
I mean the station isn't exactly in a perfect orbit though is it? I'd think eventually the orbit of the ball would decay and it would fall. Or would it drift into space?
The space station orbits very close to the earth, to the point where it encounters a very small amount of atmospheric drag and has to fire thrusters every now and then to keep itself in orbit. A bowling ball ejected from the space station would simply deorbit after a couple years.
Somewhere, sometime, you are ruining someone’s day. Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son of a bitch in space
We may have launched a manhole cover into deep space.
The moon has gravity. It would come back down
Slingshot
Not at all how it works.
Oh I’m sorry I thought this was America where the impossible becomes inevitable. Space bowling or die trying.
I would very much like to see that. Get a strike and all the pins are gradually floating into the air higher and higher
not with proper station spin, might make the game more interesting due to the corolis effect
Not with that aditude
And that’s not all. There is a bar and it hS alligators swimming around.
Maybe it's only a wonder if some people say help from aliens was needed.
You really believe that mere humans could build a Bass Pro Shop without help? That's clearly an alien monument!
Build a Bass Pro Shops*
Touche,
Incidentally, I knew that was technically the name, but I just couldn't bring myself to write "a Shops".
fr, I will never forgive the ancient aliens guys for how badly they warped the layman's idea of history.
all for money.
Ugh, I know what you mean. My mom is one of the people that was convinced of that BS show, and she's not a foolish person normally.
And it’s never stuff made by white people that needed aliens to help.
Why does this keep getting repeated? Stonehenge is like the OG 'aliens helped them' artifact.
That's actually true. Stonehenge is literally the original "who put this here, must be aliens."
Moon landing deniers exist so the moon landing seems qualified.
The truth about the bass pro shops pyramid
Haven't clicked but I'll put a fifty on it being miniminuteman
You might have 50 coming to you
And that only happens if it wasn't a "white" civilization that made it.
People only say aliens are to blame when it's not white people who made it
Garbage fire take. Stonehenge in England, the whitiest white place on earth, is the original “aliens musta built this” because it wasn’t very clear why it was built at all. It wasn’t near any settlements of note and wasn’t clearly dedicated to any religion or Gods with almost 0 markings on it. Just a bunch of random stone obelisks stacked together in a field. Also nobody has mentioned the Easter island heads which is another “who done it” but those people weren’t technically white. They were white because of colonists who came and bred with the indigenous but nobody lives there now. They suspect it was plague brought by colonists or the islanders using all the trees and wood shifting the food production on the island leading to famine.
12 men have walked on the moon
That makes it even more impressive
And not a single woman, checkmate feminists /s
12 men walked on the moon
jesus has 12 deciples
jesus is from the moon confirmed
The people who say the pyramids were built by aliens are also typically the ones who believe that the earth is flat and NASA is lying to us
Well, then GPS is another incredible achievement which is easy to prove, or just the existence of smartphones people don't quite understand how fucking insane smartphones and modern computers are
In 1983 Grace Hopper was being interviewed for 60 minutes. The host asked her if the technological revolution was over because they had all these new advancements, surely we had made all we could. And her answer was “We’re just getting started. We’re just beginning to meet what will be the future-we’ve got the Model T.” That's probably my favorite tech related quote.
Them's rookie wonders. Call me back when Space Pharaoh Cleopatra IV conquers the united colonies of Mars and turns Olympus Mons into the biggest burial monument in the solar system.
I see your point, but the last time there was a man on the moon was over 50 years ago.
That's still extremely resent compared to the pyramids
Sure, but it is certainly long enough for somebody to say "why don't we do x anymore?"
Than GPS could be another thing
I mean it’s the same answer for a lot of those questions. For moon walking and pyramid building it’s the same default answer I’m referring to. “Too expensive and not enough return on the investment”.
I mean, to be fair we still build crazy "LOOK AT THIS SHIT!" shit. They just aren't pyramid shaped. There are all types of crazy buildings that pop up around the world every few years. We never stopped building our Pyramids, theres just no glory in an actual pyramid anymore.
We also have buildings so tall that they physically cannot have one elevator that goes top to bottom. The wonders never stopped, we just leverage thousands of years of collective human progress to reach out and touch the heavens. And we do so with such regularity that the wonderous no longer seems so.
But where’s the space elevator tho
RIGHT! Like dude we have robots on another planet right now, we flew a helicopter on Mars and soon we will have submersible diving into a frozen ocean on another planets moon! We are still doing amazing things!
And we actively keep people in space
No-no you don't get it! We couldn't stack rocks on top of eachother EVEN TODAY!
Don’t tell that to the guy Danny jones podcast has on who’s speaking voice is insufferable that believes we did not go to the moon, even argues this to an astronaut who walked on the moon
We are also able to put billions of transistors on a chip the size of a fingerprint. We can travel multiple times the speed of sound. We can communicate across the world in a matter of milliseconds.
We are also able to put billions of transistors on a chip the size of a fingerprint. We can travel multiple times the speed of sound. We can communicate across the world in a matter of milliseconds.
Which one of those things is still going to be a standing monument 4000 years from now?
A lot of things in space will be around for more than 4000 years, and things like geo stationary satellites will be around for a few billion years and would easily be able to be detected by a civilisation as advanced as us
Yeah, but that shit was done before our time. At least for the US... we ain't done shit. Just constant war and bickering
You guys made GPS, and send a space probe that made a close flyby with Pluto a decade ago
The first cell phone was developed by Motorola, an American company.
Ford Motor Company created the modern moving assembly line.
GPS was a US invention.
The US didn't invent the Internet, but ARPANET was important to the creation of the Internet.
The Home Insurance Building in Chicago is considered to be the first skyscraper and was the first building to support its entire wait on an iron frame.
The first smartphone was made by IBM.
Social Media was kinda a joint thing, but many of the first technologies were developed in the US and of course Facebook was made in the US.
FORTRAN, COBOL, C, SQL, and JavaScript were made or contributed to by Americans.
Xerox made the first OS to use a GUI.
The Wright Brothers made the first sustained controlled flight of a heavier than air powered aircraft.
The first aerial circumnavigation of the planet was done by Americans. These guys had to land to refuel though. Don't worry, the US wouldn't be shown up though and the first people to non-stop circumnavigate the globe in a plane were also American.
The US built the Panama Canal.
Samuel Morse helped develop Morse Code and the single-wire telegraph system.
An American was the first person on the moon and only Americans have been on the moon.
The first submarine to reach the north pole was American, and the first one to surface at the north pole was also American.
The first nuclear reactor was made by a team at the University of Chicago. To be fair to Italy, it was led by Enrico Fermi.
I know this is a meme but comparing the timeframes isn't fair. Many thousands of years of human history vs what, the last few hundred? Even so the Three Gorges Dam probably counts as a modern wonder that dwarfs a lot of the ancient ones. Or depending on your definition the Troll A platform (an oil rig) is absurdly large. The Seawise Giant is a ship 3 times as long as the Pyramid of Giza is tall.
Also you know there's literally hundreds of megastructure buildings like the New Century Global Center or Burj Khalifa which are so massive that they would make the Egyptians drop to their knees and shit themselves in awe.
We built a freaking habitat in space for people to live in. That seems like a wonder to me
Spaceships > piles of rock
We can make rocks that think.
*We can make rocks that calculate
I have to disagree. In 10.000 years that pike of rocks will still be around. Pretty much everything built in the modern day will not.
I've got a pile of spent nuclear fuel rods that says otherwise
Tbf, that's just a pile of spicy rocks.
So what you're saying is that piling rocks IS the best way to make things last?
I'm glad you agree.
Purifying rock is the distinction. Things made of certain resistant steels or tungsten/titanium will be around for a lot longer than those pyramids and them’s recent recent. So the crashed satellites in our ocean that also have nuclear cores are at such a depth that pressure and low oxidation will prevent rusting. It’ll most likely petrify in the calcium and other free materials floating in the ocean and become fossilized. An entire satellite with its reactor and all. They will be there probably for eternity until earth explodes after collision or solar event atomizes earth.
the ISS could definitely still be around then, if we put it into a higher orbit
then its gonna exist for a million years just fine
That's moving the goalposts. If you move the Egyptian pyramids into an intergalactic orbit it could last forever...
The ISS isn't in high orbit, without intervention it would re-enter the Earth's atmosphere in 2 years.
Hoover Dam is pretty impressive too. ngl
Hoover is impressive, the Three Gorges is insane. It actually measurabley changed the Earth's rotation.
I also think it is recency bias for the last 50 years as well.
Most modern cities are pretty insane when you think about it. Building structures that are 500 to 800 meters in the sky is actually crazy.
That’s not how the conspiracy works.
Theory: Humans, even today, are incapable of building the pyramids.
Evidence: We can’t build a pyramid because we haven’t built one recently. Also here are a couple videos of OSHA violations, where a bunch of idiots lift a big ass rock into a pickup and the axle breaks. So we can’t even move the stones with modern technology.
Solution: Aliens and/or Atlantis
"Three Gorges Dam probably counts as a modern wonder that dwarfs a lot of the ancient ones."
Ah but you see, you're not supposed to say anything nice about the PRC.
Tell me you're a Chinese troll account without telling me you're a Chinese troll account
"I knew the future would bring wonders. I did not know it would make them ordinary."
-Dracula, Netflix's 'Dracula'
Fixed it
You're right. I totally forgot BBC produced it. I watched it on Netflix so that's what stuck with me.
Netflix’s BBC’s Dracula
I didn't think many people had watched the BBC dracula.
It has some banger quotes.
“I threw diamonds at the strip clubs under the Great Pyramids.”
-Dracula, Dracula Flow 3
oh we absolutely didn't stop.
The New Century Global Center in china is huge (but not the biggest)
the Burj Khalifa is tall as fuck
the Royal Clock Tower in Mecca is an enormous building
airports are crazy huge construction projects
then we have stuff like the 3-Gorges Dam
or the CERN Large Hadron Collider
we've created entire ISLANDS
the pyramids are NOTHING in comparison to what we've done in modern times.
we just know what these things are for, malls, airports, skyscrapers, dams, sports stadiums. there is no mystery surrounding it.
but go visit them and then you will understand they are indeed wonders.
Honestly, every time I drive through NYC I wonder at just how crazy the civil engineering is. Every bridge, highway, subway, aqueduct, sky scraper, would boggle the mind of someone living even 200 years ago. If you drive from Washington Heights to Battery Park you would see literally hundreds of "wonders" to rival the pyramids.
manhatten itself is a colossal megastructure
The city must grow
Hypotjetically: if there was a lot of snow, could the city survive?
Ancient person in today's world: this must truly be a beacon created by the gods...
Any person from today: okay, first off, that's a stop light...
I remember making a wrong turn in France and ending up in a small town with a giant gothic cathedral. No idea it was there before stumbling on it. Took this small town 300 some years to build. It's very impressive what people can do given enough resources, even if it's over hundreds of years,.even during the "dark ages."
The Flavian Amphitheatre, nothing new under the sun.
And didn’t 3-Gorges Dam alter the earths rotation?
No, you are confusing it with OP's mom.
That bass pro shop must‘ve been a powerful king
I can't wait for archeologists in the year 4000 to dig this up and theorize that we worshipped a Great Fish God who demanded offerings of discount lures and camouflage vests
"Just as Ramesses intended".
"This 'Bass Pro Shop' sounds like a powerful Pharoah."
-Ramesses
"I built a giant monument to my wealth, just as the founding pharaohs intended."
Feel like I need to step in and correct a historical inaccuracy here.
The Pyramid in Memphis was NOT built as a bass pro shop originally. It was built as an arena and venue. I saw a few games and concert there growing up, even saw a couple traveling museum exhibits.
Eventually Memphis was able to get its own NBA team in the grizzlies. I believe it was the first season, but basically the roof started leaking mid game and it became a big embarrassment. So we built the fedex forum where the grizzlies now play, and then sold the pyramid to bass pro shop.
Part of me really hates that Bass Pro Shops bought it, because it turned an iconic part of the memphis skyline into a giant advert. But at the time there was so much blight downtown it’s arguably better than it just sitting vacant for decades like so many other buildings of the era.
I read the first part of your comment thinking you were talking about Memphis, Egypt, and the thought of a bass pro shop built in a pyramid in ancient Egypt made my day
There’s still so much blight downtown. What I wouldn’t give to have that building with the circle on top be occupied by someone as well as a few of the other buildings. But at least South Main is nice.
"the pyramid"
"which one?"
"the really big one"
"which one?"
"the great pyramid of memphis"
"........
........
........which memphis?"
It’s in Memphis,Maine*
Explanation:
People did not stop building wonders in the modern era. In America alone, "One World Trade Center" and "Bass Pro Shops Pyramid" as examples of recent architectural wonders.
I've seen the meme of "people stopped building wonders" and I think this is an exaggeration. It's primarily limited to the USA. Other countries are more likely to make large constructions. And even the USA-only version of the "no more wonders" is inaccurate.
Here are the only "justifiable" reasons and then the Bass Pro Shops Pyramid and One World Trade Center debunk this.
-With the collapse of the Soviet Union, there was less need for wonder grandstanding to make the US more grandiose to help win the Cold War
- Big personal projects were seen as vanity, not making a wonder (so we wouldn't consider those wonders)
-Public buildings: Some political movements were skeptical of big infrastructure projects. This makes it difficult to get the money needed to build wonders.
-Function over form: Taxpayers would not like paying money to make something beautiful if it wasn't going to be useful for them. Many of the big American wonders that do exist like the Interstate system work well because of their function.
-Architectural techniques? (Wonders usually last a long time. However, modern American construction is strong and built fast, but also needs frequent repairs, unlike many construction methods of the past).
-Recency bias: Everyone knows of the Golden Gate Bridge and the Statue of Liberty, but what defines a modern wonder is a bit harder to define.
Except the BassPro Shop Pyramid wasn’t built as such but rather a sports stadium. It wasn’t until 2015 that BassPro opened inside.
I mean it was the tallest man made building for 3,800 years.
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Honestly the Interstate System as a previous person said, is a better counterexample. Fiberglass-reinforced concrete means it will last relatively long without constant upkeep.
My suggestions for unprecedented wonders:
The modern health care system. Decades of gained life expectancy and quality of life.
Continental railway and highway networks.
The internet effectively connects any place to every other place with multimodal communication.
Because the aliens went from teaching us masonry to making crop circles and molesting rednecks.
Theres simply too much wonders being produced today than lets say... 2000 years ago.
The real Wonder is Convincing future Historians that Malls and Airports were our Pyramids.
Thought i was in the civilization sub for a minute
The difference is in the mythos and utility. A huge limestone pyramid isn't practical enough for our modern countries to be building. I live surrounded by departmental towers that are a modern engineering marvel and would drive mad the people who would have witnessed the Pyramids in their prime, let's not talk about the huge corporate buildings or the towering factories in the industrial sectors. But what do we do in there?
People buy stuff in there. People sit down and write counts and reports. People work welding metal parts or refine prime materials. What people of the past would consider shining castles and immense monuments would be socked to hear no king built these and no God appointed them.
unironically, we never stopped trying. Look into any ridiculous Dubai or SA mega projects. We are constantly pushing the boundaries of possibilities and tastes.
See if that will still stand 4000 years from now.
I’ve been to that bass pro shop once. It’s a cool place. It’s in Memphis Tennessee.
This Bass Pro Shop must have been a mighty pharaoh indeed
Yeah but did the Egyptians put cursed crystal skulls in their pyramids?
The Fat Electrician did a good video on it.
https://youtu.be/IK_UoZa9KEE?si=ZKZ5R-gjiQ0JcFcQ
Literally every skyscraper that has ever been constructed. We even have new classifications of super-tall skyscrapers.
Incomprehensibly enormous buildings.
The ISS, James Webb Telescope and other spacefaring projects, The Large Hadron Collider, The Three Gorges Dam, I hear that they’re about to finish up the Sagrada Familia Cathedral, the Burj Khalifa is only 15 years old. We got wonders.
Ever been to New York or a similarly sized city? Insane what man can do now
Isn’t half of Boston land man made? And the entirety of Venice too
One day I shall make the pilgrimage to the Bass Pro Shop Pyramid
You could have picked the 3 gorges dam for this or even the fucking Burj Khalifa but you went with the Bass Pro Shop lol
As in, "I wonder what this new surcharge on my room bill is."
Were is the one song about this
Just gonna leave this here. The truth about the bass pro shops pyramid
The pyramids are wonders because we wondered how humans back then managed to build them.
The Luxor Hotel and Casino: Am I a joke to you?
Humans did build the Pyramids, so the Goa'uld would have a landing platform for the Ha'tak class motherships
Conquest victory was the main mode of ranked, that's why
We just found new gods
We have, however, stopped calling them wonders. Because of how routinely we build them now.
We discount our wonders as basic and take them for granted. The old world wonders are more difficult to comprehend and we don’t know their methods or technologies. The mystery is what makes them wondrous to us. Some of them have stood the test of time for thousands of years. I’m sure that some of our wonders are capable of doing the same, we just haven’t become a fallen empire that has been rediscovered thousands of years later. Long point short, it’s all about perception. Our skyscrapers our wonders that many (not all) civilizations of the past did not build and probably could not comprehend in their times.
There could be some impresive buildings recently, even the size of pyramide. Like Dams, or parlament buildings, opera house, some skycrapers. I bet some aliens would consider Bosco Verticale as OMG hanging gardens.
We built so many wonders that the word has either lost all meaning, or the bar just moved up significantly higher.
Doesn't every city have a big ass Pyramid by the mud?
These aren't the most efficient gravestones.
It's not about the shape it's about the meaning. The egyptian pyramids are giant tombs for god emperors, the bass pro thing is just a symbol of the modern decadence and capitalism that plagues our world.
Feel like I need to step in and correct a historical inaccuracy here.
The Pyramid in Memphis was NOT built as a bass pro shop originally. It was built as an arena and venue. I saw a few games and concerts there growing up, even saw a couple traveling museum exhibits.
Eventually Memphis was able to get its own NBA team in the grizzlies. I believe it was the first season, but basically the roof started leaking mid game and it became a big embarrassment. So we built the fedex forum where the grizzlies now play, and then sold the pyramid to bass pro shop.
Part of me really hates that Bass Pro Shops bought it, because it turned an iconic part of the memphis skyline into a giant advert. But at the time there was so much blight downtown it’s arguably better than it just sitting vacant for decades like so many other buildings of the era.
Also my favorite urban legend is that there’s a crystal skull at the top of the memphis pyramid which had weather controlling powers which is how we had multiple snow storms split and go around Memphis. (it’s actually because of the bluffs but crystal skull are cooler)
You're just reinforcing my point, a cultural centre turned into a mall.
I think malls are cultural centers, and as I mentioned: while I have my reservations about the giant “Bass Pro Shop” sign, it’s better than it sitting empty and slowly decaying like a lot of buildings in downtown Memphis (although last i visited there’s been quite a bit of renovations and reconstruction downtown)
Frankly, for as gaudy as it absolutely is, it’s a net positive for the city. At least until we achieve a moneyless utopia.
There was once talk of turning it into a hotel or museum but there simply weren’t investors interested in those projects that had the kind of money needed just for upkeep.
Saying that thing is a wonder is wild
Better examples of modern wonders would be stuff like Mt. Rushmore, Crazy Horse, Gateway Arch, Christ the Redeemer, Eiffel Tower, and the Statute of Liberty.
And the fact that Egyptian Emporers built pyramids larger than the previous ruler in a game if one-upmanship showing off their decadence under the guise of religion.
The issue is people, the desire to be better and to a have a place of belonging in a complex world where things cant be sorted neatly (always creating ingroups and outgroups, if a group has everyone then it is no longer a group).
it's the opposite big boss, they made a big one then they didnt have enough resources to make another as big so they made it smaller
It’s both, and neither. Khufu one upped his father whose pyramids were evolving after the 3rd dynasty pyramids. As egotistical as they were, I like to think perhaps they had sense enough to realize the folly of building one even bigger than khufu’s
OP gotta be kidding around using the Memphis Tennessee Pyramid as an example.
322 ft tall
535,000 sq ft
it's smaller than the Luxor Hotel Pyramid in vegas
if it had to be pyramids they could have used the one in korea as an example
that one is 1080 ft tall and 3,875,000 sq ft wide
We didn’t stop building wonders. We stopped building to last.
We stopped building them to last 4,500 years ago, then. Heck, it's the only Wonder of the Ancient World still standing.
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or Stonehenge
Sorry, they weren't impressive enough to make the travel guide in 5th C. B.C.
Slavery. The answer is slavery
I think the current consensus is that Egypt was a highly centralized state with all labor being coordinated through the pharaoh. The pyramids were mostly makework projects for a highly socialized workforce as Egypt had achieved agricultural productivity with food preservation and distribution systems which would not be matched for another 4,000 years.