Absolutely. In fact, this is the case I think for the majority. Historically, even in Gnostic texts they come while you sleep, mostly because they're able to "abduct" ones astral. A common misconception in UFOlogy is this being a purely nuts/bolts.
Most abductions in America have nothing to do with aliens, MILABs...project oak tree was an NSA project looking for descendants of the Watchers
No, Oaktree isn't public. Probably shouldn't have mentioned it, but Project Preserve Destiny is another. USAF/NSA Officer describes how a joint program was done during the 60s, which impregnated women of certain lineages & their children went on to participate in these communication programs. Of course, these 'psychic' abilities have been passed down through bloodlines.
This is something we've always known in Dogon country, and I've actually posted info about how we basically breed experiencers/contactees
Wait no, you must speak more of this PROJECT OAKTREE (just in case MIB didn't hear me reference it on the web) what happened? Where can you find more information?
Most might be a stretch. Not necessarily aliens, but it seems whatever is responsible for the phenomenon is the culprit in the majority of cases. Many of the milabs victims are also abductees and able to differentiate between the two
Of course, i shouldve been more clear. Gnostic texts speak of 3men appearing and taking away souls at night. This is still common today, Like an incubus. What i mean is that most that involve physical craft are MILABs. NHI don't necessarily need to use physical craft to come get you, after they've done it once
I think NHI still responsible for most physical craft/ physical abductions as well. Scoop marks, cigarette burn looking things in groups of three, followed by paranormal activity occurring over generations. Hard to credit milabs for all that
Because physical marks are left doesn't mean it was a physical entity involved. And for the record the idea of a Breakaway civilization goes back much further than the modern US military. See v you're thinking modern military when it's actually secret society. The MIB is centuries old
Yeah, hard to prove many of the things she says and easy to pick them apart for lack of proof, but no harm taking the chance of supposing the "absurd" is true as a thought experiment, and work down from there to try to disprove it.
After all, this sub is a pit of the absurd, and if you're here, might as well take a temporary leap of faith to maybe eventually arrive at the truth, which may not necessarily be as logical and straightforward as one might think at first.
I just don't believe any of these ideas of "evil" aliens. They don't make sense to me.
FTL travel is literally defying physics. They have achieved the impossible, and all the things that come with it. Undoubtedly, a post scarcity society.
And you're telling me a species so incredibly technologically, genetically, and culturally advanced has traveled across the gulf of space, to find a needle in a haystack (us), and they're... going to be mean? Just a bunch of dicks? Why?! For resources (get em from the universe). For water (hydrogen is the most prominent element, just make some). For our planet... (you got FTL go find a planet, hell build a planet or some digital society and plug in, whatever). "for the soul" (why dont they have souls?)
These aliens have achieved the impossible, discovered they are not alone in the universe, and they... proceed to be a bunch of a-holes?
Agreed. It would be trivial for them to take over (or wipe us out).
I think my favorite is when there are multiple alien species involved.
We've hit jackpot on the near cosmic impossibility of intelligent life evolving, surviving, developing tech, and finding us not once, but a bunch of times!?!
That’s kind of level 1 UFO lore. That they are extraterrestrial technologically advanced beings from this reality.
But there is kind of a level two lol. Where they don’t believe they traveled across space at all. It’s actually more rooted in a spiritual belief system. This would be “the woo”. It’s likely a Gnostic belief system.
The Gnostics would believe that we are a part of a control system that was put into place by an advanced being they would refer to as the demiurge. It would be a sort of false god as it would appear like god because it created this reality but their belief is that it is like a level or two below the actual god. They would also believe that we have a connection to the original source like god (the true creator that is above the demiurge) inside all of us (this connection or divine spark is essentially a soul) and that these advanced beings are interested in this control system because of that connection. They also believe that we each have the ability to escape this control system through a “hidden knowledge” (this would be referred to as Gnosis) that is internal to each person and a part of this soul. This is probably an eastern influence as it aligns well with Buddhist and Hindu belief systems. The gnostics also valued removing all material attachments to this reality as a way to access this hidden knowledge. A large part of UFO lore is essentially repackaging a decent amount of the gnostic belief system.
Others believe they are actually humans or our descendants from the future and that this is a self
Actualizing control system. If you master the ability to traverse vast distances of space, you likely also master the ability to control time. So it is somewhat of a temporal control system that is guiding a very specific direction that we can only assume benefits whoever is running the temporal system.
Also, there is all this evidence: abductions and physical evidence left behind from unexplained mutilations (some of which are on people). https://badaliens.info/
Also, there is all this evidence: abductions and physical evidence left behind from unexplained mutilations (some of which are on people). https://badaliens.info/
I'm sorry, but your own link's About Me page reads:
This isn’t really a website aimed at providing evidence of ET contact.
This stuff is fun and interesting as a thought experiment, but let's make sure we stay grounded in reality. We gotta use logic, reasoning, the scientific method, etc, otherwise it's just a different flavor of religion.
Regardless of my opinions tho, this is r/HighStrangeness! Up votes to you my friend.
That’s true. I don’t think anyone has seen a mutilation in process. Only the results afterwards, but they are pretty crazy. Especially consider how precise the incisions are looks like the are done with a scalpel type instrument. Only soft tissues are removed, but probably the craziest part is the complete exsanguination. How could you do that as quickly as they occur without leaving evidence. It’s pretty nuts.
Exactly. We are all hybrids. They do follow certain families and bloodlines. But, saying that they are replacing people with hybrids is misleading. There is a 40% of the population that cannot use psyonic abilities. But, eventually we will evolve to were all of us will have these abilities. And, the main reason that we have this problem is because of the crusades. The only reason we haven't evolved sooner is because of the church.https://youtu.be/ppOgLZpIiIE?si=vau7XyiaDSh-_hBV
I see a number of people who think they could never fall for a lie who choose to believe what’s comfortable over listening to anything pointing to the contrary.
There are proven methods for ending “abductions” but people shut down when they hear it because it calls their beliefs (or lack thereof) into question.
Err… I was agreeing with you. The “comfortable” idea is pushed by a lot of people listening to “spirit guides” and alien friends claiming they’re bringing peace and harmony. Just yesterday one guy said he was asked by his alien “father “ buddy, “will you worship us?” That should be ringing alarm bells.
A plausible alternative is that mental illness involving hallucinations is genetic and often multi-generational. Also rare, but could be explained by shared psychosis disorder involving shared hallucinations. It's important to keep your mind open to all possibilities, even the less magical ones.
Or explained just by interest/awareness in the topic alone.
Maybe everyone has the same chance to have one of these hallucinations, but those with previous UFO/abduction stuff in the family are more likely to reach for that explanation.
Other things that might be genetic could be intensity of dreaming, propensity to lucid dream or have realistic dreams, differences in REM cycles making hallucinations more likely, etc.
This was my first thought, schizoaffective disorders take in grand narratives and personalize them regardless of their validity. We also know there’s a HUGE genetic component to these disorders, and this reads to me like one of those situations
I find annoying there's zero context in this post, who is this lady? Is this a real interview conducted by anyone or is she just talking to a camera simulating one? Like, come on, if you wanna post something at least give some context about what you're posting.
I do not personally believe all of them to be related to sleep paralysis, but it may very well be an inherited mental disorder. While abductions themselves do not run in my family, UAP sightings do, as I discovered after my own experiences. My Grandfather on the front lines of the Korean War, my Great Uncle in the Africa Campaign of WWII, my Uncle at his stationed missile site in Montana. While I was not abducted in the sense of the word as it typically relates to the phenomenon, I was given the sensory experience of abduction, whether mentally, physically, or both, in a literal sense.
It was not while sleeping, or just before sleep, I was wide awake and sober when it happened during the middle of the day, walking through my house. I blinked and then found myself in the depths of a jungle on a muddy road where I met a sagely old man with an empty box and a tree to call his home. This occurred approximately one day after I witnessed UAPs for the first time in my life. Whether or not any of it really happened is another question; though, I saw another UAP the day after and my neighbors witnessed that one as well. My cousin claimed post near-death experience to have met a similar figure as the aforementioned; empty box, jungle, all without either of us possessing knowledge of each other's experiences.
Sleep paralysis may account for some, but I don't think it can account for everything. Perhaps it's something as of yet to be enshrined in medical canon. I'd like to know why it occurs. I find myself agreeing with the woman anecdotally that there seems to be a religious element to the phenomenon. But as is the case with the experience itself, I question healthily the authenticity of the spirituality of the experience. I was ruggedly anti-theist before it happened, so it couldn't have been a reflection of internal religiosities.
The following is just wild speculation in the late evening, but part of me wonders if religion is not just sociological and cultural, but also genetic. And I don't mean just a genetic predisposition to be religious, either. I mean, what if Gods exist, but only in our heads? Not in the sense of fabricated wisdom to pass down, but mental constructs built over generations? Not prime movers, but guiding hands built by some evolutionary trait we're not privy to? Or, I just had a synapse misfire and went temporarily insane, which is, honestly, more plausible.
Archons or gray aliens some might even call them demons. Many different forms of Ets out i. The infinite universe some of them are us from the future or similar to us in a way that they are helping us evolve to become like them a unified filed of consciousness thats why its better to say interdimensional because that how we travel I mean my fam but my earth fam will get there eventually
Uhh- what? First of all, your lack of punctuation makes you sound unhinged. Secondly, what you are attempting to say makes you sound unhinged. There is not a single coherent/cohesive thought conveyed in your words here.
“High strangeness” doesn’t mean high and incomprehensible. So you can save your word of the day from your desktop calendar for more fitting social work.
So like, use our DNA to evolve themselves to be able to live on our planet in our atmosphere without issue.
Purely self serving.
Like if we found a species that could breath an air-like substance on another planet and then studied and did experiments on that animal to see how they survive, splicing its genes with our own in an experiment-of-sacrifice for the greater good of the species to understand what might work.
The universe is a horror or a place where beings will do unimaginable things with their curiosity to survive. Just look around you.
I mean, we kinda do similar things to "lower" life forms already 😬 I think it's a lot of survival instinct and to preserve one's species than it is purely self serving.
I don't see how they could do it. The sheer numbers of non-abducted humans... Phew. Unless they make those abducted bloodlines super productive and peppered in all racial demographics; and/or maybe that's the point of fucking up the ecosystem to an extent. Just enough so that the non-abducted reproductive rates fall below replacement and the abducted-hybridized population is made super resistant to that erosion.
Thing is the ones that know or have the assumption that they were abducted are only the ones who remember things they were supposed to forget. Many have been taken and brought back without them even knowing
True, but still 7 going on 8 billion. Many of the faster reproductive demographics are in the global south. It beggars belief if they want to breed us out. The very fact that they keep having to check casts doubt if the desired traits are dominant.
Is it possible for someone to be abducted and not be conscious of it?
Absolutely. In fact, this is the case I think for the majority. Historically, even in Gnostic texts they come while you sleep, mostly because they're able to "abduct" ones astral. A common misconception in UFOlogy is this being a purely nuts/bolts.
Most abductions in America have nothing to do with aliens, MILABs...project oak tree was an NSA project looking for descendants of the Watchers
Do you have more on this? My google-fu didn't give me results.
No, Oaktree isn't public. Probably shouldn't have mentioned it, but Project Preserve Destiny is another. USAF/NSA Officer describes how a joint program was done during the 60s, which impregnated women of certain lineages & their children went on to participate in these communication programs. Of course, these 'psychic' abilities have been passed down through bloodlines.
This is something we've always known in Dogon country, and I've actually posted info about how we basically breed experiencers/contactees
Siriusley? wink
Wait no, you must speak more of this PROJECT OAKTREE (just in case MIB didn't hear me reference it on the web) what happened? Where can you find more information?
I doubt you'll find any info on the web on this project.
Would love to hear more about this if you have any links
Well this is mostly all ive been posting so there are lots of threads. Heres one lifting the veil :Bloodlines
Most might be a stretch. Not necessarily aliens, but it seems whatever is responsible for the phenomenon is the culprit in the majority of cases. Many of the milabs victims are also abductees and able to differentiate between the two
Of course, i shouldve been more clear. Gnostic texts speak of 3men appearing and taking away souls at night. This is still common today, Like an incubus. What i mean is that most that involve physical craft are MILABs. NHI don't necessarily need to use physical craft to come get you, after they've done it once
I think NHI still responsible for most physical craft/ physical abductions as well. Scoop marks, cigarette burn looking things in groups of three, followed by paranormal activity occurring over generations. Hard to credit milabs for all that
Because physical marks are left doesn't mean it was a physical entity involved. And for the record the idea of a Breakaway civilization goes back much further than the modern US military. See v you're thinking modern military when it's actually secret society. The MIB is centuries old
The paranormal activity following the physical marks is the point. MIB seem more like an aspect of high strangeness than actual government
Could you point me to which Gnostic texts you are speaking of?
None of them say anything like that
No, because how would they get the attention they so desparately crave?
huh
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Yeah, hard to prove many of the things she says and easy to pick them apart for lack of proof, but no harm taking the chance of supposing the "absurd" is true as a thought experiment, and work down from there to try to disprove it.
After all, this sub is a pit of the absurd, and if you're here, might as well take a temporary leap of faith to maybe eventually arrive at the truth, which may not necessarily be as logical and straightforward as one might think at first.
Be civil.
This is all very misguided. It is a narrative projecting fear upon the unknown to make sense of what is not understood.
I just don't believe any of these ideas of "evil" aliens. They don't make sense to me.
FTL travel is literally defying physics. They have achieved the impossible, and all the things that come with it. Undoubtedly, a post scarcity society.
And you're telling me a species so incredibly technologically, genetically, and culturally advanced has traveled across the gulf of space, to find a needle in a haystack (us), and they're... going to be mean? Just a bunch of dicks? Why?! For resources (get em from the universe). For water (hydrogen is the most prominent element, just make some). For our planet... (you got FTL go find a planet, hell build a planet or some digital society and plug in, whatever). "for the soul" (why dont they have souls?)
These aliens have achieved the impossible, discovered they are not alone in the universe, and they... proceed to be a bunch of a-holes?
It's absurd (imho)
I agree. The fear-based narratives don't even pass the sniff test.
If an off-world life form with technological capabilities beyond our science fiction wanted to do us harm, we'd be done in by now.
Agreed. It would be trivial for them to take over (or wipe us out).
I think my favorite is when there are multiple alien species involved.
We've hit jackpot on the near cosmic impossibility of intelligent life evolving, surviving, developing tech, and finding us not once, but a bunch of times!?!
That’s kind of level 1 UFO lore. That they are extraterrestrial technologically advanced beings from this reality.
But there is kind of a level two lol. Where they don’t believe they traveled across space at all. It’s actually more rooted in a spiritual belief system. This would be “the woo”. It’s likely a Gnostic belief system.
The Gnostics would believe that we are a part of a control system that was put into place by an advanced being they would refer to as the demiurge. It would be a sort of false god as it would appear like god because it created this reality but their belief is that it is like a level or two below the actual god. They would also believe that we have a connection to the original source like god (the true creator that is above the demiurge) inside all of us (this connection or divine spark is essentially a soul) and that these advanced beings are interested in this control system because of that connection. They also believe that we each have the ability to escape this control system through a “hidden knowledge” (this would be referred to as Gnosis) that is internal to each person and a part of this soul. This is probably an eastern influence as it aligns well with Buddhist and Hindu belief systems. The gnostics also valued removing all material attachments to this reality as a way to access this hidden knowledge. A large part of UFO lore is essentially repackaging a decent amount of the gnostic belief system.
Others believe they are actually humans or our descendants from the future and that this is a self Actualizing control system. If you master the ability to traverse vast distances of space, you likely also master the ability to control time. So it is somewhat of a temporal control system that is guiding a very specific direction that we can only assume benefits whoever is running the temporal system.
Also, there is all this evidence: abductions and physical evidence left behind from unexplained mutilations (some of which are on people). https://badaliens.info/
I'm sorry, but your own link's About Me page reads:
This stuff is fun and interesting as a thought experiment, but let's make sure we stay grounded in reality. We gotta use logic, reasoning, the scientific method, etc, otherwise it's just a different flavor of religion.
Regardless of my opinions tho, this is r/HighStrangeness! Up votes to you my friend.
That’s true. I don’t think anyone has seen a mutilation in process. Only the results afterwards, but they are pretty crazy. Especially consider how precise the incisions are looks like the are done with a scalpel type instrument. Only soft tissues are removed, but probably the craziest part is the complete exsanguination. How could you do that as quickly as they occur without leaving evidence. It’s pretty nuts.
Exactly. We are all hybrids. They do follow certain families and bloodlines. But, saying that they are replacing people with hybrids is misleading. There is a 40% of the population that cannot use psyonic abilities. But, eventually we will evolve to were all of us will have these abilities. And, the main reason that we have this problem is because of the crusades. The only reason we haven't evolved sooner is because of the church.https://youtu.be/ppOgLZpIiIE?si=vau7XyiaDSh-_hBV
It really isn't though. There's a lot of info/evidence/data that points to this stuff being a correct assessment.
I see a number of people who think they could never fall for a lie who choose to believe what’s comfortable over listening to anything pointing to the contrary.
There are proven methods for ending “abductions” but people shut down when they hear it because it calls their beliefs (or lack thereof) into question.
https://youtu.be/qVs5vEt7doo
choosing to believe what's comfortable? dude there's nothing comfortable about the suggested reality of the situation. You have it backwards.
Err… I was agreeing with you. The “comfortable” idea is pushed by a lot of people listening to “spirit guides” and alien friends claiming they’re bringing peace and harmony. Just yesterday one guy said he was asked by his alien “father “ buddy, “will you worship us?” That should be ringing alarm bells.
oh sorry I must have misunderstood... I'm usually an idiot :/
A plausible alternative is that mental illness involving hallucinations is genetic and often multi-generational. Also rare, but could be explained by shared psychosis disorder involving shared hallucinations. It's important to keep your mind open to all possibilities, even the less magical ones.
Or explained just by interest/awareness in the topic alone.
Maybe everyone has the same chance to have one of these hallucinations, but those with previous UFO/abduction stuff in the family are more likely to reach for that explanation.
Other things that might be genetic could be intensity of dreaming, propensity to lucid dream or have realistic dreams, differences in REM cycles making hallucinations more likely, etc.
This was my first thought, schizoaffective disorders take in grand narratives and personalize them regardless of their validity. We also know there’s a HUGE genetic component to these disorders, and this reads to me like one of those situations
We need quality data on the religious affiliations of these families, I think that would tell us a lot.
And what if, they're simply normal Christians?
Then there'd be a paper trail, right? Because normal Christians would probably consult their priests or pastors?
No we don't.
Who is she?
Alien infiltrator and disinformation specialist assigned to muddy the waters
She makes sense though
Ofc they do
She goes by Fringe on twitter
Watch Taken series
I find annoying there's zero context in this post, who is this lady? Is this a real interview conducted by anyone or is she just talking to a camera simulating one? Like, come on, if you wanna post something at least give some context about what you're posting.
I think they are but that might be evidence that it’s just an inherited mental disorder (sleep paralysis, basically)
I do not personally believe all of them to be related to sleep paralysis, but it may very well be an inherited mental disorder. While abductions themselves do not run in my family, UAP sightings do, as I discovered after my own experiences. My Grandfather on the front lines of the Korean War, my Great Uncle in the Africa Campaign of WWII, my Uncle at his stationed missile site in Montana. While I was not abducted in the sense of the word as it typically relates to the phenomenon, I was given the sensory experience of abduction, whether mentally, physically, or both, in a literal sense.
It was not while sleeping, or just before sleep, I was wide awake and sober when it happened during the middle of the day, walking through my house. I blinked and then found myself in the depths of a jungle on a muddy road where I met a sagely old man with an empty box and a tree to call his home. This occurred approximately one day after I witnessed UAPs for the first time in my life. Whether or not any of it really happened is another question; though, I saw another UAP the day after and my neighbors witnessed that one as well. My cousin claimed post near-death experience to have met a similar figure as the aforementioned; empty box, jungle, all without either of us possessing knowledge of each other's experiences.
Sleep paralysis may account for some, but I don't think it can account for everything. Perhaps it's something as of yet to be enshrined in medical canon. I'd like to know why it occurs. I find myself agreeing with the woman anecdotally that there seems to be a religious element to the phenomenon. But as is the case with the experience itself, I question healthily the authenticity of the spirituality of the experience. I was ruggedly anti-theist before it happened, so it couldn't have been a reflection of internal religiosities.
The following is just wild speculation in the late evening, but part of me wonders if religion is not just sociological and cultural, but also genetic. And I don't mean just a genetic predisposition to be religious, either. I mean, what if Gods exist, but only in our heads? Not in the sense of fabricated wisdom to pass down, but mental constructs built over generations? Not prime movers, but guiding hands built by some evolutionary trait we're not privy to? Or, I just had a synapse misfire and went temporarily insane, which is, honestly, more plausible.
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Well, we’ve all seen interviews of some of these abductees; and if aliens are searching blood lines, they are looking for it in some odd individuals.
"Hey, I was thinking: should we maybe abduct some of their scientists, athletes, political or religious figures?"
Oh... yeah, that probably would've been a good idea.
"... Who tf is that?"
I didn't catch their name? They were pretty drunk when I grabbed em.
🤣
Oh snao! I just wrote that tinfoil theory on a UFO sub.
well that's grim and scary af
Yes, according to David Jacobs anyway. When abductees have children, they are abducted too.
I suggest doing a little research of David Jacobs
Archons or gray aliens some might even call them demons. Many different forms of Ets out i. The infinite universe some of them are us from the future or similar to us in a way that they are helping us evolve to become like them a unified filed of consciousness thats why its better to say interdimensional because that how we travel I mean my fam but my earth fam will get there eventually
Uhh- what? First of all, your lack of punctuation makes you sound unhinged. Secondly, what you are attempting to say makes you sound unhinged. There is not a single coherent/cohesive thought conveyed in your words here.
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Be civil.
You're in the high strangeness sub Poo-pooing the above person?? The dissonance
“High strangeness” doesn’t mean high and incomprehensible. So you can save your word of the day from your desktop calendar for more fitting social work.
Hate to be that guy, but mental illness also runs in families
It’s demonic…plain and simple
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Allegedly, some walking the "Gateway tapes" have had alien encounters, where it was like they're managing our VR experience or something.
Schizophrenia is genetic
you know what else is hereditary???
Large breasts ....
i was going to say a number of mental illnesses
Both can be true.... With the power of positive thinking...
What the point of living if none of those feelings will exist anymore
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One theory is that alien-human humanization is to enable a truly extra-terrestrial to evolve themselves to adapt to our environment.
It only stands to reason that if they were creating mutations in humans, they would need to track it over multiple generations.
So like, advance us to hybrids so that we are higher beings but not as high as them? Then mate with us creating beings even higher than them?
So like, use our DNA to evolve themselves to be able to live on our planet in our atmosphere without issue.
Purely self serving.
Like if we found a species that could breath an air-like substance on another planet and then studied and did experiments on that animal to see how they survive, splicing its genes with our own in an experiment-of-sacrifice for the greater good of the species to understand what might work.
The universe is a horror or a place where beings will do unimaginable things with their curiosity to survive. Just look around you.
I mean, we kinda do similar things to "lower" life forms already 😬 I think it's a lot of survival instinct and to preserve one's species than it is purely self serving.
She looks like ai
Oh this topic is explored in the TV show Taken from Steven Spielberg.
I don't see how they could do it. The sheer numbers of non-abducted humans... Phew. Unless they make those abducted bloodlines super productive and peppered in all racial demographics; and/or maybe that's the point of fucking up the ecosystem to an extent. Just enough so that the non-abducted reproductive rates fall below replacement and the abducted-hybridized population is made super resistant to that erosion.
Thing is the ones that know or have the assumption that they were abducted are only the ones who remember things they were supposed to forget. Many have been taken and brought back without them even knowing
True, but still 7 going on 8 billion. Many of the faster reproductive demographics are in the global south. It beggars belief if they want to breed us out. The very fact that they keep having to check casts doubt if the desired traits are dominant.
Nah. The real abductions started happen just a few months ago.
...damn
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Sometimes yes.
Is she that lady from Twitter?