Objective reality is not accessible. The animal is limited to its meat sensors and how the brain evolved to use them and what it evolved to use them for.
I think everyone should do dissociative psychedelics in their 20s (or as early as responsibly possible) because it really does show you that “the real world” as you know it is a construct of your mind
You’re gonna have to explain how one can objectively experience reality as an animal that evolved under very specific conditions to sense only what was needed to survive
I think so, from experience. I think it opens new senses we don’t use daily., and enhances them as well. My biggest example that wasn’t a hallucination, was how I looked up once and saw a plane flying over from takeoff and I could actually make out it’s build, like all the parts and how it was pieced together. It was freaking amazing to see that in motion.
This is similar to an experience of mine, laying under a tree and being able to see every vein in every leaf, how it all fit together, how the photosynthesis was occurring inside it. Mushrooms are pretty cool.
I had VERY similar hallucinations like this when I was in the midst of the DTs while I was trying to get sober. I was freely hallucinating for 72hrs and saw a LOT of little people in patterns on wall surfaces, fabric, etc.
It made me think more of the paintings of hell that Hieronymus Bosch did. Looked more like that. I saw a lot of those little guys torturing and hate fucking each other.
When I was less reverent of the mushroom I took 2 doses and saw something similar. I knew it wasn't strictly real. Had to just fall asleep and wait to sober up because I was unnerved.
My theory, or hypothesis, I suppose, is that the fungus has intentions. Fungi are an alien intelligence (as in, unfamiliar) and the trips their fruiting body give us are their attempt at communication.
I absolutely love this theory. I've often had the thought that the mushrooms called me, because my life and culture was not accepting to them in the slightest growing up, and almost every time I've had them they've randomly been given to me or presented themselves. The first time I ever had them I just had a thought to myself "I wonder what it was like for all those hippies tripping on psychedelics" and then the next thing I know my best childhood friend had secretly been growing them and decided to introduce me to his grow shortly after I had that thought.
Sometimes it honestly scares me. I could be having my entire life directed by alien mushroom beings that are experimenting on my thoughts at random intervals in my life.
If you haven't watched the show "Common Side Effects" seems to dabble in this theory as well. Its only been one season so far but season 2 is on the way but I've though something similar to your theory in the past and the show covers it somewhat
Typically the alkaloids in plants are similar to ones used in our brains system’s. Obviously it is not completely random, but sometimes plants will have evolved to produce an alkaloid to have an effect on a different species of animal and the same molecule effects us in a different way. I am not kidding when I say that many psychoactive are actually the plants form of pest control, designed to kill or deter bugs.
Here is a future fan made theory. The shroom activates the capacity to see a natural process where energy bubbles are "dancing" all around us. May be that circuitry also activates adjacent parts that creates the dancing elf construct. If the elf construct isn't activated it would look like something else like energy light bands moving around consistent with some ambient markers. Whats the energy bubble humidity? Heat? Could be em field. Why were the elves hiding under the table. If they are consistent then it definitely has continuity. The heads sticking to table cloth could indicate some em field like force that behaves like static electricity
What other side effects does it have? Is it chill and you see elves? Or does it have other negative side effects. I would be very curious to try it legally of course. I wanna see what they are like.
If it's a uniform presentation of elfin or lilliputian figures than you should be able to vaguely reproduce that through a series of blind tests with sketches, maybe throw in a placebo hallucinogen or a few to really make sure you're narrowing down on experiential similarities.
Also document if multiple people simultaneously see the same construct. It could be like a living chi in nature just interacts with things and it is seen through the elf construct. But why is it always elves. May be there is a consistent universe in that bubble. It could be living imprints like orbs, dots, ribbons that float around in that chi bubble and its a different realm entirely. This is the most interesting prospect ever. Imagine the stuff is real.
Just a heads up, never buy mushrooms in chocolate bar form, or any “shroom” product for that matter. 9/10 times they contain no actual mushrooms or psilocybin. Research chemicals are usually used, and you don’t know what you’re getting.
Whole, dried mushrooms, are currently the only safe way to purchase them.
(Unless you know the person making the chocolate bars)
The only "problem" I've had with the chocolate bars I've gotten is that the dosage recommendations on the package are way off. They claim 2-3 squares for just a "good time" and more for the visuals, etc. I took two and the walls were swirling after an hour. I'm not a small person, and have eaten my share of mushrooms.
Other than that, I've had no real issue. It felt and seemed like any other mushroom experience. Granted, the ones I got were early in the days after they were legalized in Colorado, so I bet they had real shit in them.
I agree though. Hopefully people get their shit from a place they trust.
stop spreading this bullshit shrooms are stupid easy to grow and everyone does it, there’s no shortage of shrooms for chocolate bars and you can literally see and taste the shroom pieces in chocolate bars.
meanwhile 4-AcO-DMT et al are much harder to produce or source than mushrooms are these days. not to mention more expensive and harder to dose.
if you have actual test results to back it up, post them, but you don’t because you’re just repeating what you heard from someone else and assumed to be true
You have no clue what you are talking about. A recent study showed that 90% of the products tested contained research chemicals. 4aco is often sold out from online chem shops, so yes, it’s often not 4aco, but some other chemical that seems similar enough.
I used to grow on a commercial scale. I know a thing or two, kid.
IT has to do with speed. These micro peeps are either going much faster or much slower than us usually. The Mental candies allow you to see the beings at their speed.
I can believe it. See my post above, but I was able to see a plane flying over and all the little details of its underbelly, like the bolts and parts and how it was pieced together.
Wavelengths, then? If true, surely our instruments could pick them up, like Webb can IR? (Not to dismiss the power of directed focus or observation – it's as real as fire.)
If you want to distill our being down to chemical reactions you're not wrong, but it's an egregious over simplification. Every motive you believe you have of your own free will simply has its genesis from a chemical reaction. Again, it's not wrong, but it's devoid of deeper meaning that defines who and what we are.
This is a novel species of fungi, but isn't high strangeness. The effect is repeatable. It is interesting due to the Lilliputian effect, but isn't high strangeness, any more than lsd visions.
Sometimes I wonder are mushrooms like cheat codes in gta or something. Giving you a different an altered access to the game.
It changes the way your brain interprets data
Objective reality is not accessible. The animal is limited to its meat sensors and how the brain evolved to use them and what it evolved to use them for.
Mmm...meat sensors
I call my body my meat mech. I see that we think alike ✨
Meat vessel perhaps?
Goo bag
No more meat suit, I’m on your team now
That's why sometimes we trip due to how different everything can feel from what's normal lol
I think everyone should do dissociative psychedelics in their 20s (or as early as responsibly possible) because it really does show you that “the real world” as you know it is a construct of your mind
The Real as an experience within the field is more accessible than you think!
You’re gonna have to explain how one can objectively experience reality as an animal that evolved under very specific conditions to sense only what was needed to survive
No
You are where you are right now. That's an objective reality.
Wouldn’t that be the opposite and literally be the very definition of subjective?
Your position in space time doesn't depend on your mind (even in coma you occupy a position somewhere), so no.
It makes me flabbergasted people didn't understand that, it's so simple
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I think so, from experience. I think it opens new senses we don’t use daily., and enhances them as well. My biggest example that wasn’t a hallucination, was how I looked up once and saw a plane flying over from takeoff and I could actually make out it’s build, like all the parts and how it was pieced together. It was freaking amazing to see that in motion.
This is similar to an experience of mine, laying under a tree and being able to see every vein in every leaf, how it all fit together, how the photosynthesis was occurring inside it. Mushrooms are pretty cool.
Mushrooms are alive and help us think differently. They are aware
How & why?
yes
Idk what lillipution means, but mushrooms are for sure a cheat code. It's why Mario gets so ripped when he eats em. Next question, please.
I had VERY similar hallucinations like this when I was in the midst of the DTs while I was trying to get sober. I was freely hallucinating for 72hrs and saw a LOT of little people in patterns on wall surfaces, fabric, etc.
It made me think more of the paintings of hell that Hieronymus Bosch did. Looked more like that. I saw a lot of those little guys torturing and hate fucking each other.
When I was less reverent of the mushroom I took 2 doses and saw something similar. I knew it wasn't strictly real. Had to just fall asleep and wait to sober up because I was unnerved.
My first time I ended up having Deja Vu for 6 hours non stop. That was also very unnerving.
Holy shit that sounds awful
My theory, or hypothesis, I suppose, is that the fungus has intentions. Fungi are an alien intelligence (as in, unfamiliar) and the trips their fruiting body give us are their attempt at communication.
I absolutely love this theory. I've often had the thought that the mushrooms called me, because my life and culture was not accepting to them in the slightest growing up, and almost every time I've had them they've randomly been given to me or presented themselves. The first time I ever had them I just had a thought to myself "I wonder what it was like for all those hippies tripping on psychedelics" and then the next thing I know my best childhood friend had secretly been growing them and decided to introduce me to his grow shortly after I had that thought.
Sometimes it honestly scares me. I could be having my entire life directed by alien mushroom beings that are experimenting on my thoughts at random intervals in my life.
Dude! You would love this book if that's how you feel. Journey to Ixtlan: The Lessons of Don Juan
It's about a writer that meets a Mexican wizard and gets called by mushrooms and lots of other plants. Fantastic book based on a true story.
If you haven't watched the show "Common Side Effects" seems to dabble in this theory as well. Its only been one season so far but season 2 is on the way but I've though something similar to your theory in the past and the show covers it somewhat
It’s more than somewhat. It’s definitely a central theme.
What happens to Jonas Backstein is punitive.
True, been awhile since I had watched it and I definitely remember thinking the show was using thst theory but don't remember how overt it was
It makes me think of this meme I saw where the mushrooms are like “just trust us bro, the meaning of life is to like, grow more of us.”
We evolved to react to them this way. I want to know more about what advantage mushrooms gave us for that to have happened.
Typically the alkaloids in plants are similar to ones used in our brains system’s. Obviously it is not completely random, but sometimes plants will have evolved to produce an alkaloid to have an effect on a different species of animal and the same molecule effects us in a different way. I am not kidding when I say that many psychoactive are actually the plants form of pest control, designed to kill or deter bugs.
Does it say anywhere how I can become an expert?
According to Malcom Gladwell it takes 10'000 hours to become an expert.
I'm super curious about this.
Here is a future fan made theory. The shroom activates the capacity to see a natural process where energy bubbles are "dancing" all around us. May be that circuitry also activates adjacent parts that creates the dancing elf construct. If the elf construct isn't activated it would look like something else like energy light bands moving around consistent with some ambient markers. Whats the energy bubble humidity? Heat? Could be em field. Why were the elves hiding under the table. If they are consistent then it definitely has continuity. The heads sticking to table cloth could indicate some em field like force that behaves like static electricity
What other side effects does it have? Is it chill and you see elves? Or does it have other negative side effects. I would be very curious to try it legally of course. I wanna see what they are like.
If it's a uniform presentation of elfin or lilliputian figures than you should be able to vaguely reproduce that through a series of blind tests with sketches, maybe throw in a placebo hallucinogen or a few to really make sure you're narrowing down on experiential similarities.
Also document if multiple people simultaneously see the same construct. It could be like a living chi in nature just interacts with things and it is seen through the elf construct. But why is it always elves. May be there is a consistent universe in that bubble. It could be living imprints like orbs, dots, ribbons that float around in that chi bubble and its a different realm entirely. This is the most interesting prospect ever. Imagine the stuff is real.
Our eyes see something like .09 of reality. We are blind
Anyone know where I can get these mushrooms in chocolate bar form?
Just a heads up, never buy mushrooms in chocolate bar form, or any “shroom” product for that matter. 9/10 times they contain no actual mushrooms or psilocybin. Research chemicals are usually used, and you don’t know what you’re getting. Whole, dried mushrooms, are currently the only safe way to purchase them.
(Unless you know the person making the chocolate bars)
Shoulda said some like 15 chocolate bars ago!
But seriously, I’ve never had any issues with the ones I get, but you’re right, it’s a lot of trust.
The only "problem" I've had with the chocolate bars I've gotten is that the dosage recommendations on the package are way off. They claim 2-3 squares for just a "good time" and more for the visuals, etc. I took two and the walls were swirling after an hour. I'm not a small person, and have eaten my share of mushrooms.
Other than that, I've had no real issue. It felt and seemed like any other mushroom experience. Granted, the ones I got were early in the days after they were legalized in Colorado, so I bet they had real shit in them.
I agree though. Hopefully people get their shit from a place they trust.
stop spreading this bullshit shrooms are stupid easy to grow and everyone does it, there’s no shortage of shrooms for chocolate bars and you can literally see and taste the shroom pieces in chocolate bars.
meanwhile 4-AcO-DMT et al are much harder to produce or source than mushrooms are these days. not to mention more expensive and harder to dose.
if you have actual test results to back it up, post them, but you don’t because you’re just repeating what you heard from someone else and assumed to be true
You have no clue what you are talking about. A recent study showed that 90% of the products tested contained research chemicals. 4aco is often sold out from online chem shops, so yes, it’s often not 4aco, but some other chemical that seems similar enough.
I used to grow on a commercial scale. I know a thing or two, kid.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2838765
https://news.oregonstate.edu/news/analysis-‘magic-mushroom’-edibles-finds-no-psilocybin-many-undisclosed-active-ingredients
IT has to do with speed. These micro peeps are either going much faster or much slower than us usually. The Mental candies allow you to see the beings at their speed.
I can believe it. See my post above, but I was able to see a plane flying over and all the little details of its underbelly, like the bolts and parts and how it was pieced together.
Wavelengths, then? If true, surely our instruments could pick them up, like Webb can IR? (Not to dismiss the power of directed focus or observation – it's as real as fire.)
Like DMT. Interesting. Some people swear that the beings they see while on DMT are aliens.
Highstrangeness? Is this named after Coast to Coast?
Watch out for this to get banned and driven underground fast and hard just like "conventional" shrooms are illicit
This is not high strangeness mods please
Mushrooms have been attributed to communicate through hallucination and that they are tools to be able to communicate with extra-dimensional beings.
I call that high strangeness.
I'm familiar
This is a chemical reaction though that causes the hallucinations
It isn't high strangeness
This sub has gone to shit
If you want to distill our being down to chemical reactions you're not wrong, but it's an egregious over simplification. Every motive you believe you have of your own free will simply has its genesis from a chemical reaction. Again, it's not wrong, but it's devoid of deeper meaning that defines who and what we are.
I love mushrooms
I'm also a determinist
This is a novel species of fungi, but isn't high strangeness. The effect is repeatable. It is interesting due to the Lilliputian effect, but isn't high strangeness, any more than lsd visions.