That's a slight understatement. It's a lot deadlier than most any disease. Itd probably get less lethal if it spread human to human, but it has a long way to go until it reaches covid19 numbers.
Yeah the low end is like Spanish Flu levels. The best guess is probably 5% mortality. Apocalyptic is 30%.Ā
Our only saving grace will probably be a lower r ( reproduction ) number than normal flu due to poor adaptation for initial breakout followed by hopefully milder breakouts with higher r numbers ( which in total might be worse ).
I already have tyvex suits, and half face p90 masks with face shields. Been debating buying a PAPR system, full face mask, etc.Ā
Do you know how stupidly expensive child full face masks are?
Im where you are on preps, I also have a box of duckbill n95masks. I shagged a papr for $50 during covid, but certainly hope we never get to that point. Got a full face respirator and a few half as well, p100 filters.
Not to mention the fact that we now have anti vaxxers in charge. I'm to the point were I'm honestly past caring at this point, this species is beyond help.
Those in charge will get the latest and greatest vaccines. Few of them actually drink the Kool aid. But they very much want poor people to die off and they love the idea of a plague culling the herd.
Who do they think makes them rich? Every single time there's been a large dying wages, workers rights, and social mobility goes way up as employment goes way down.
Gods the rich and powerful really are too fucking dumb to live without $500,000 / year worth of staff keeping them from walking into a woodchipper, aren't they?
I see it another way. What I'm seeing is them accidentally removing the reasons why people stay home out of fear and to keep some semblance of control in a chaotic world. They've also given up plausible deniability for themselves so people can't easily shove their heads back in denial. It's not demoralization for many, it's a righteous anger that refuses to spend every day on that roller coaster. It might seem too calm or even as if people are becoming demoralized but I believe in the power of the best of humanity.
They'll never cross the line, because the people in power know the ideal populace is poor, stupid, and full of hate. Poor enough so they can never rise up at the worry they lose the little they have, stupid enough to truly believe the elite are on their side and it's just a matter of time before they raise that person up to the elite too, and full of hatred enough that you'd gladly put your own head in the noose for them just on the promise when they put the head of someone in a demographic you're bigoted against in, they'll swing the rope a little bit to make it hurt slightly more.
But the full of hate nature leads to the worst part- they already have crossed the line, many many times, but the only way they'll cross the line to their supporters is if they do the right thing on bird flu. Hell, we saw it from Trump rallies booing their orange god for him talking about how quick the vaccines rolled out for COVID.
I don't know about that as much as much as a combination of ignorance, hubris, and a desire to sell their own quack cures (at least as far as the public health aspect goes).... At least they're unlikely to fare much better -- it's not like they'll be able to get some secret cure or vaccine that they're denying to the rest of us. The drug companies aren't going to spend the money to make a treatment if they know from the start they won't be able to sell it.
That's my plan if a bird flu pandemic does blow up, road trip up to Canada for shots then hunker down for this absurd game of chicken that the idiocracy has declared against Mother Nature until the antivaxxers lose.
They believe lies to serve their orange god. The rest of the world is not just going to give up and die when they have better options. While there are whackjobs in every country, the majority are ether left leaning or apathetic. When you motivate apathetic people they act. Those with a ideology of suicide or else are welcome to unalive themselves, however the rest of us can either go down with them or fight.
That may be, but I don't think they're sitting in some room going 'let's do X to demoralize everyone.' It's more of a secondary effect of their idiocy than a deliberate aim.
They are hoping that the antivax trend picks up steam with minorities. They're trying ANYTHING to reduce or stop the"Great White replacement" in the US. That's the biggest reason for the deportations, the overturning of Roe. Remember they were discussing paying couples 5k for each child and giving them a "Presidential Medal" once they had six? Married couples, in their minds,Ā areĀ predominantly white. There is something white nationalist in nearly everything they're doing. Peter Thiel and Elon Musk are BIG proponents of genetically "screening" embryos for IQ , certain physical attributes, etc. It's creepy. They want to engineer a "superior white race". And if you think that looks NAZI, it's because it very much is. And look up"NATALCON". They have a pronatalist convention every year in TX, and they have many young males show up, but few females. I can't imagine .. to even have women speakers suggest that a woman's greatest accomplishment is to be a stay at home Mom with multiples of children (like the Duggars). That just sounds so incredibly fun to me.Ā
Give me the vaccine. If other people refuse to get it and think "it's just a flu", fuck them. I'm not going to care. COVID destroyed what little empathy I had for others. COVID already destroyed my body and it's been a struggle ever since. I'm not going to risk it with bird flu.
The sad thing is, this time you actively can't believe anything the CDC says, whereas last time it was just Trump trying to hamstring them at every juncture. We don't have a government anymore.
Sadly, you're correct. Trump was made to look like sh#t with his COVID response, was caught in so many lies, and went to war with Fauci, and he won't be made to look bad again by scientists. I think our best bet is to listen to Canadian news regarding science. And media in certain states.Ā
From what Iāve heard from those in vaccine research, the pharmaceutical companies are continuing research behind the scenes looking forward to regime change
I know theyāre currently fishing with Facebook ads for subjects to be involved in testing a possible new Covid vaccine
Iām in the midst now of a clinical trial for a sort of āuniversalā flu vaccine
Of course I donāt know whether or not Iām in the control group, but probably should say no more
Thank you for trying to help the rest of the public see how serious of a problem this virus has the potential to be. To educate and lessen whatever damage may/will come our way.
You don't understand, the playbook for how to defeat it is already written.
Blame a foreign country (since distraction will make viruses surrender), claim it was made in a lab (which means you don't develop treatments for it), refuse to take safety precautions by claiming doing so is living in fear, don't test for it so there are fewer cases, fight against development of treatments or vaccines since progress is scary, pray to your god for deliverance and take unrelated miracle cures that might maim or kill you. Also sacrificing seniors convenient victims is not an issue since "leaders" say the economy is more important than human lives.
If we follow this playbook religiously with no deviation whatsoever then no virus stands a chance.
I'm not. Pir hospital staff are already overwhelmed. It won't be Maga that suffers. It will be the people who have no options, no control, no hope, and no support systems. Trump will never declare a pandemic, which means many of the safety nets in place(that have survived) will simply not be activated. It's really, really gross.
Not always. The 1918 avain flu pandemic was harder on young, healthy adults than anyone. It cause their own otherwise healthy immune systems to go nuts and kill them.
My state (SC) had an localized epidemic of measles in our upstate, and I read that 95% is a good number to have for herd immunity, and that region of the state has now dropped below it. Keep an eye on SC news, like in Greenville, SC.Ā
There is probably more than a 1% chance that bird-flu is going to kill 10's of millions of people in the next few years. It is the most-likely mass-casualty event for the USA right now, IMHO, equivalent to a full civil-war, or an asteroid-hit.
When it happens, we will go into a lock-down vastly worse than covid, and it will take many months to make up for the stupid delay that RFKjr is now causing. we are utterly screwed.
The problem is that many people did not take Covid seriously and therefore will not take the next pandemic seriously. So it is likely that a lot of people will die.
This will be a fun pandemic becuase Republicans will be running around infecting us all in their ongoing quest to own the Libs. The threat of another pandemic is in my Top 5 reasons to stay in my vHCoL city.
If it's any consolation, really it's the next administration onwards that has to deal with all the crap. It takes years typically for issues like cuts to science and education to have impacts.
Trump will look just fine when he leaves, sure people will be mildly worse off, but he'll be mega rich with his posse, and then when he goes the real crap will hit the fan and he'll just blame the next administration as being incompetent. Tale as old as time.
The second season of Chris Carter's Millennium ends with a global pandemic of an aviary flu that has similarities of Marburg. People literally sweating blood to death within hours of exposure.
That episode aired in 1998 and all I could think is that I'm going to see that in my lifetime.
Silly Australians. You should follow our example here in the USA. If Bird Flu hits, we'll never know. "If you don't test, you don't have any cases" and all that.
RFK about to order everyone to own a pet chicken?
Whereās his chicken tartare recipe?
His brain worm ate it.
I upvoted but that made my stomach turn a little.
Good. That was my intention.
Agriculture secretary Brook Rollins already suggested this earlier this year. In an existing global bird flu outbreak.
Right wingers really have ruined comedy. They are dumber than the jokes.
No heāll just ban the vaccine and watch as hundreds of thousands die and think āat least they wonāt have children with autismā.
Fewer children, less autism. Math checks out.
Just like republicans getting obsessed with non-pasteurised milk for some reason...
That's a slight understatement. It's a lot deadlier than most any disease. Itd probably get less lethal if it spread human to human, but it has a long way to go until it reaches covid19 numbers.
Yeah the low end is like Spanish Flu levels. The best guess is probably 5% mortality. Apocalyptic is 30%.Ā
Our only saving grace will probably be a lower r ( reproduction ) number than normal flu due to poor adaptation for initial breakout followed by hopefully milder breakouts with higher r numbers ( which in total might be worse ).
I already have tyvex suits, and half face p90 masks with face shields. Been debating buying a PAPR system, full face mask, etc.Ā
Do you know how stupidly expensive child full face masks are?
Not to be pessimistic but at that point PPE will be the least of concerns. This is exactly one of the reasons I decided no kids
Im where you are on preps, I also have a box of duckbill n95masks. I shagged a papr for $50 during covid, but certainly hope we never get to that point. Got a full face respirator and a few half as well, p100 filters.
Not to mention the fact that we now have anti vaxxers in charge. I'm to the point were I'm honestly past caring at this point, this species is beyond help.
Those in charge will get the latest and greatest vaccines. Few of them actually drink the Kool aid. But they very much want poor people to die off and they love the idea of a plague culling the herd.
Who do they think makes them rich? Every single time there's been a large dying wages, workers rights, and social mobility goes way up as employment goes way down.
Gods the rich and powerful really are too fucking dumb to live without $500,000 / year worth of staff keeping them from walking into a woodchipper, aren't they?
Yes, they are. And history shows over and over, how it ends when this point reached each time.
That is what they want, to demoralize us so that we never defeat them. We can either fall for this, or refuse to ever yield.
I see it another way. What I'm seeing is them accidentally removing the reasons why people stay home out of fear and to keep some semblance of control in a chaotic world. They've also given up plausible deniability for themselves so people can't easily shove their heads back in denial. It's not demoralization for many, it's a righteous anger that refuses to spend every day on that roller coaster. It might seem too calm or even as if people are becoming demoralized but I believe in the power of the best of humanity.
Itās going to be interesting when they finally cross the line.
Itās going to be interesting when they finally cross the line.
They'll never cross the line, because the people in power know the ideal populace is poor, stupid, and full of hate. Poor enough so they can never rise up at the worry they lose the little they have, stupid enough to truly believe the elite are on their side and it's just a matter of time before they raise that person up to the elite too, and full of hatred enough that you'd gladly put your own head in the noose for them just on the promise when they put the head of someone in a demographic you're bigoted against in, they'll swing the rope a little bit to make it hurt slightly more.
No, they WILL cross the line. They always do.
But the full of hate nature leads to the worst part- they already have crossed the line, many many times, but the only way they'll cross the line to their supporters is if they do the right thing on bird flu. Hell, we saw it from Trump rallies booing their orange god for him talking about how quick the vaccines rolled out for COVID.
I don't know about that as much as much as a combination of ignorance, hubris, and a desire to sell their own quack cures (at least as far as the public health aspect goes).... At least they're unlikely to fare much better -- it's not like they'll be able to get some secret cure or vaccine that they're denying to the rest of us. The drug companies aren't going to spend the money to make a treatment if they know from the start they won't be able to sell it.
They can always travel to a country that does decide to make it and pay a ton of money to get it
That's my plan if a bird flu pandemic does blow up, road trip up to Canada for shots then hunker down for this absurd game of chicken that the idiocracy has declared against Mother Nature until the antivaxxers lose.
Huh?
They believe lies to serve their orange god. The rest of the world is not just going to give up and die when they have better options. While there are whackjobs in every country, the majority are ether left leaning or apathetic. When you motivate apathetic people they act. Those with a ideology of suicide or else are welcome to unalive themselves, however the rest of us can either go down with them or fight.
That may be, but I don't think they're sitting in some room going 'let's do X to demoralize everyone.' It's more of a secondary effect of their idiocy than a deliberate aim.
I disagree, they work hard to "fill the zone with shit" and discredit the center and right with attempted gotchas and so much more.
I've been the fly on the wall when the rich and powerful think no one is looking.
They are actively malevolent. Forget this at your mortal peril.
I think I'm going to print this off and frame it
America, cluck yeah.
They are hoping that the antivax trend picks up steam with minorities. They're trying ANYTHING to reduce or stop the"Great White replacement" in the US. That's the biggest reason for the deportations, the overturning of Roe. Remember they were discussing paying couples 5k for each child and giving them a "Presidential Medal" once they had six? Married couples, in their minds,Ā areĀ predominantly white. There is something white nationalist in nearly everything they're doing. Peter Thiel and Elon Musk are BIG proponents of genetically "screening" embryos for IQ , certain physical attributes, etc. It's creepy. They want to engineer a "superior white race". And if you think that looks NAZI, it's because it very much is. And look up"NATALCON". They have a pronatalist convention every year in TX, and they have many young males show up, but few females. I can't imagine .. to even have women speakers suggest that a woman's greatest accomplishment is to be a stay at home Mom with multiples of children (like the Duggars). That just sounds so incredibly fun to me.Ā
Please let the R0 be low otherwise, know these things
. It damages blood vessels in the brain
. Wonāt evolve like a regular flu
. Came from unrestrained factory farming, where genetically homogenous livestock are increasingly susceptible to disease and virulence.
Give me the vaccine. If other people refuse to get it and think "it's just a flu", fuck them. I'm not going to care. COVID destroyed what little empathy I had for others. COVID already destroyed my body and it's been a struggle ever since. I'm not going to risk it with bird flu.
The question is, are we going to get a vaccine in a timely manner. Also more alarmingly, theyāve gutted the CDC, who is even tracking this shit.
The sad thing is, this time you actively can't believe anything the CDC says, whereas last time it was just Trump trying to hamstring them at every juncture. We don't have a government anymore.
Sadly, you're correct. Trump was made to look like sh#t with his COVID response, was caught in so many lies, and went to war with Fauci, and he won't be made to look bad again by scientists. I think our best bet is to listen to Canadian news regarding science. And media in certain states.Ā
From what Iāve heard from those in vaccine research, the pharmaceutical companies are continuing research behind the scenes looking forward to regime change
I know theyāre currently fishing with Facebook ads for subjects to be involved in testing a possible new Covid vaccine
Iām in the midst now of a clinical trial for a sort of āuniversalā flu vaccine
Of course I donāt know whether or not Iām in the control group, but probably should say no more
I'm one of them. I've spoken at conferences and facilitated exercises on it for over a couple of decades.
https://icemsg.org/2024/11/17/h5n1-the-scale-of-the-threat/
Thank you for trying to help the rest of the public see how serious of a problem this virus has the potential to be. To educate and lessen whatever damage may/will come our way.
You don't understand, the playbook for how to defeat it is already written.
Blame a foreign country (since distraction will make viruses surrender), claim it was made in a lab (which means you don't develop treatments for it), refuse to take safety precautions by claiming doing so is living in fear, don't test for it so there are fewer cases, fight against development of treatments or vaccines since progress is scary, pray to your god for deliverance and take unrelated miracle cures that might maim or kill you. Also sacrificing
seniorsconvenient victims is not an issue since "leaders" say the economy is more important than human lives.If we follow this playbook religiously with no deviation whatsoever then no virus stands a chance.
At this point, I'm honestly looking forward to seeing bird flu battle it out with antivaxers. I'm hoping for 20% lethality.
Didnāt work out for covid. Family members dying of covid in front of them didnāt make them understand. Vaccine data didnāt make them understand.
I'm not. Pir hospital staff are already overwhelmed. It won't be Maga that suffers. It will be the people who have no options, no control, no hope, and no support systems. Trump will never declare a pandemic, which means many of the safety nets in place(that have survived) will simply not be activated. It's really, really gross.
As disgusted by antivaxxers as I am, this will hurt children & immunocompromised that had nothing to do with the vileness of antivaxxers.
Not always. The 1918 avain flu pandemic was harder on young, healthy adults than anyone. It cause their own otherwise healthy immune systems to go nuts and kill them.
I remember reading about that: cytokine storm.
That's why herd immunity is so very important.
Move to a place where average IQ is above room temperature.
My state (SC) had an localized epidemic of measles in our upstate, and I read that 95% is a good number to have for herd immunity, and that region of the state has now dropped below it. Keep an eye on SC news, like in Greenville, SC.Ā
You and me both!
And MAGA will downplay it and say it's a Democratic hoax despite it being worldwide.
They'll give it racist names to play on people's fears and be even more jingoistic and isolationist.
They'll try to blame previous administrations despite their blocking of mRNA research that could create a cure.
And when there is a treatment, they'll take all the credit.
Will horse dewormer work on the bird flu? Asking for a friend.
No. I think it's raw milk for bird flu.
āIf only there were a way to get disinfectant and a bright light into the body???ā
The butt-plug industry has entered the chat.
I have my Clorox ready!!!
To inject of course, what did you guys think I was going to do with it, clean the counters?!? That doesnāt work, germs are made upā¦. /s
I'm going to start buying a few things, just in case, nothing crazy.
Just fking end it, I'm done.
Bird flu might not need to worry about competition if people keep ignoring the basics of public health.
There is probably more than a 1% chance that bird-flu is going to kill 10's of millions of people in the next few years. It is the most-likely mass-casualty event for the USA right now, IMHO, equivalent to a full civil-war, or an asteroid-hit.
When it happens, we will go into a lock-down vastly worse than covid, and it will take many months to make up for the stupid delay that RFKjr is now causing. we are utterly screwed.
The problem is that many people did not take Covid seriously and therefore will not take the next pandemic seriously. So it is likely that a lot of people will die.
Sadly, this because while COVID was deadly it was not deadly enough. Its fucking sickening but that's where we are.Ā
Covid-19 killed 1%. I'm convinced that if the next one kills 10 or even 20% MAGA still won't allow or follow ANY precautions.
Feeding themselves to the viral š š š to "own the libs."
āThis is why chicken should always be eaten āpinkā to build up natural immunity.ā /S
This will be a fun pandemic becuase Republicans will be running around infecting us all in their ongoing quest to own the Libs. The threat of another pandemic is in my Top 5 reasons to stay in my vHCoL city.
If it's any consolation, really it's the next administration onwards that has to deal with all the crap. It takes years typically for issues like cuts to science and education to have impacts.
Trump will look just fine when he leaves, sure people will be mildly worse off, but he'll be mega rich with his posse, and then when he goes the real crap will hit the fan and he'll just blame the next administration as being incompetent. Tale as old as time.
It's only a matter of time.
Sure. Why not? Add it to the pile of insanity we're all dealing with these days. What's one more disaster?
The second season of Chris Carter's Millennium ends with a global pandemic of an aviary flu that has similarities of Marburg. People literally sweating blood to death within hours of exposure.
That episode aired in 1998 and all I could think is that I'm going to see that in my lifetime.
this is why i still wear my covid mask in public, wash my hands thirty times daily, don't eat in public, avoid crowds such as theatre or cinema, etc.
regardless if one believes in a "plandemic"or not, there are more pandemics on the way, we're overpopulated.attempting to sabotage science and education is part of it.
bio weaponry has entered the class war. /sHopefully it culls all of the republicans next time.
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"....it was going to wreck society" - If no precautions were taken.
Precautions were taken.
See Y2K bug and Ozone Layer.
Right.
This could be a credible threat and the next lethal human pandemic, but I hear shit like this so often that I don't give a fuck.
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Silly Australians. You should follow our example here in the USA. If Bird Flu hits, we'll never know. "If you don't test, you don't have any cases" and all that.
āIāve already had bird flu! Iām worried about turtle flu!ā
Boo. Nobody got my reference.