I have 19-20 years of experience and have spent majority of my time at a F50, 60B market cap company.
I get some rsu, cash bonus and base, adding all those on good years I can be close to 300. Bad years for bonus and rsu may be 250. I have consistently lead a 10-15 people team. My boss has a 70-100 people team and his boss 300 people team and his boss has 1400 folks. You get the picture.
Everyone at my level has a Sr. Supervisor title. I have seen many other companies in our same technology bracket or even market cap bracket and their titles seems so great. Any where from a director to a Manager with most tending sr. Manager given the years of experience.
When I try to apply for jobs people don’t believe the salary numbers and my responsibility at first given my title on the resume. I wish if the company had me at sr. Manager it would carry so much weight and would commensurate what I do. And of course it would make it easier to convince interviewers that I am qualified for that “director” title. Some of you may say it’s not the title at all that isn’t landing me a job, and that’s fair, may be it’s me but I do feel the title deflation puts a small suspicion in interviewers mind. Has our hr found an amazing retention tactics? High pay low title..
We are in a low to mid cost location so the money is actually very good. No complaints there just feel like I have one more job change in me to get to a higher responsibility and doing it internally is becoming almost impossible.
Just omit or lie on the title.
It’s not a huge deal, keep the experience very authentic. Put the title to match.
The company I work for has more vice presidents than I can count.
It literally is meaningless, so leave it off.
Now that’s an idea. Omitting…I got to rewrite tonight to see how it will look. Would you omit just for the last or my current job or just omit across the board. Wonder what would look consistent
I’d go with omitting titles across the board for consistency.
This.
Titles are never confirmed with background checks either. They can check the dates you worked via phone call to HR or payment processor records, but companies wouldn't dare giving any more PII than absolutely needed.
Matching the job title of an old job to the job titles used in a new job is just a good idea!
My background check showed a title mismatch that got flagged. Their solution was to do nothing about it and ask nobody and got closed in like a couple weeks as fine
My titles got flagged for a mismatch with background checks in my more recent interviews. That being said, I would just tell potential employers that my previous company doesn't care much about titles and gives everyone "Supervisor/etc"
Third person who had a title mismatch get flagged on bg check. In my case, I put the title I was told I had, but whoopsy the system showed me with something similar but just different enough. It was easily resolved but something to keep in mind.
I’d rather have high pay, low title than high title, low pay 😎
Throw in low responsibility and I’m sold.
So true!!!
Titles vary so much from org to org—I wouldn’t overthink it. Some inflate, some deflate.
What matters is your level of responsibility. The first line on your resume should indicate that you lead a 10-15 person team and have delivered xyz results.
Just translate your title to the industry standard, if you manage people just call yourself a manager.
Dude this sub blows my mind with how people making 300+ are so dumb. There is no standard for job titles across companies. Tech is a great example. Tailor your resume / match your title to the job you’re applying for ie match your exp level to that of target company.
I have a high pay low title (product manager). I out earn Dr directors and some VPs at other tech companies. I also live in MCOL working remote and all of my friends with inflated titles feel i make base pay of $100k. I love it that way that i fly under the radar.
You are ascribing too much intentionality. The unbelief or disbelief you are facing is weirdly common because so many faked experience in recent years. Its not personal.
Put your title and a bracket saying what it’s equal to. Like senior supervisor (Senior manger)
Titles are absolutely meaningless from one company to another. Responsibilities and results matter.
10-15 people seems like a front line manager to me. Sr managers lead other managers. Directors lead Sr Managers. And so on
Agree. I am ok with a manager too. My manager is a manager. His manager is a sr. Manager then the director and vp. We are like one ladder off. A supervisor is a team lead with no HR tasks, hiring firing decisions, no budgets to manage imho
I work at a faang, the title supervisor sounds like someone who works at the grocery store. Id just use manager as your title on your resume. That won’t be a problem.
What title do you guys use for the level I described for myself.. just curious
Manager. Engineering Manager in my org.
You sound like you work for Procter & Gamble
Hmmmm do I ?
Because I realized the same thing there.
Was experienced hire and could tell they were never going to value my experience until I went through their right of passages.
Left after 3 years.
Whether you work there or not, these blue chip companies want to corner you to provide max value for them and have no market value elsewhere.
Yeah agree with your sentiment. For me it’s just so hard to now find a role at this salary level. I literally interviewed for a director role on west cost in a startup. They really wanted me ..then they heard my comp and my expectations to move there and the founder called me to negotiate. Ultimately said he would want to see a pay check. I told him bro I am happy to show you my pay stubs for all years intact but if I do that, you would have to give me a 3 year contract at what I am asking. Never called me back. Anyways I digress into a rant now
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my bosses bosses boss is a director (1400 people under him) and then there is a sr. Director ..those two level honestly need to be flattened and then VP. We have less than 10 VP probably 6 in sales and marketing communication Hr and 4 in engineering something like that. Anyways in technical fields my level is 4/5 levels from a VP
That’s some serious flattening of titles.
If you ever want to see title-inflation in action, stop by your local community bank and open an account with a bank teller who happens to be a Sr. VP. And if you want to see the opposite effect, visit the ER and have your life saved by a Nurse Practitioner who just happened to never make MD. Context matters; hopefully you can find the right hiring manager who can see the real you and look past the fluff. Happy hunting!
Just rename your title to Sr. Manager. Nobody is playing LinkedIn police.
From my experience, titles are never nefarious - they are probably using an archaic nomenclature or trying to align it to non-tech positions.
So long as my comp is correct and I have the org structure/agency/leader support/authority to get done what I’m being asked to do, you can call me SnookyWookums for all I care.
I’ve had 2 different “Great title/shty daily experience” jobs that have put me right off of title chasing.
Title is very subjective. At my current company, the senior engineer title is equivalent to principal in role and pay at peer companies. Just translate your title to the industry standard for your position (or the position you are applying to) and embrace it with confidence. Confidence is key because it really is just semantics, you know your experience better than anyone.
Just change your title on your resume. Or make it very clear on the first bullet under the position what you do. If you feel like you need to keep the real title in LinkedIn, make your LinkedIn headline more expansive/accurate to what you do, e.g, Senior Engagement Manager.
I actually have the opposite problem. I have an inflated title for my responsibilities. When I look at job reqs for similarly titled positions, I dont meet half the qualifications. I also feel like if I applied to a lower titled position that I was more qualified for, people would wonder why I am stepping back.
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My background is tech recruiting. I agree that this is impacting your prospects. Omitting on the resume and calling yourself a manager in the interviews should solve. Once you have the foot in the door and a recruiter can understand your role, title won’t matter.
I use the equivalent title of whichever company I'm applying to, or the "standard" title I think applies to me.
The money matters. The title does not. You can call me the Second Assistant Janitor Intern Third Class as long as the check clears.
You're not stuck somewhere because of a title. That's silly. You're stuck because you're not doing anything about it. It's your fault if you're stagnating.
If you have the duties of a manager (authority to hire and fire people), use that word on your resume.
Don't use your employer assigned job title. If the job you're targeting looks different/higher but you actually check off all the boxes, change your title.
It's not "lying" if you've been misassigned a title between your employer and what is actually market norm.
I did this when I transitioned from consulting to industry. "Sr. Manager Level 2", on its own, didn't mean squat to companies looking for a Dir. of Regulatory Affairs so I used "Sr. Manager, Regulatory Affairs" to better convey my actual skill set and no one blinked twice.
This works if they don’t do background checks or due diligence. If they contact your former employers and ask about you, they will think you lied.
It would definitely impact recruiters reaching out to you. Nothing stopping you from adjusting your title on LinkedIn to reflect your responsibilities.
Find that too risky as you never know who knows who. A simple call to a x colleague of the interviewer who now works with me could make it sound unnecessary alarms after all my hard work. Did think about it once though
I've done it in the past and hasnt bitten me at all, but everyone has different levels of risk tolerance
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Eh, making up whatever title you want is poor advice.