Unironically probably the better timeline- avoids the radicalisation of Trump and the wider MAGA base post-January 6th, and means that the Dems could have won 2 terms rather than 1 bookended by a radicalised Trump with no safeguards. Probably would also have led to Democrat congressional majorities in 2022, so could have actually impeached him.
I don’t know if an election being overthrown is a better timeline. I can see arguments for if he won legitimately that being the case. But i don’t think that level of democratic backsliding is better.
After the 2024 election I silently had the thought “you know maybe this is better in the long run…” as much as I wouldn’t have said it out loud. I feel like a Harris presidency just wouldn’t be very good for us, she lacks much vision or leadership and we’d probably see a lot of midterm losses and the GOP roaring back in 2028. Trump right now sucks of course and is hurting a lot of people, but his terrible actions are also making it easier for Democrats to energize themselves and hopefully become a more proactive party. My gut says a Harris presidency would have made an even more anemic and uninspiring Democratic Party and in all likelihood been one term with a big reelection loss.
In terms of the lives of Americans over four years, yes. In terms of politically for Democrats, I’m saying it would be worse in the long term for them if Harris was president.
Here’s the thing, if he had somehow two terms in a row that would’ve been a lot of damage in a row with him continuously in the highest office. Now? Now he’s had to waste time undoing Biden’s stuff (much of which is popular) and he’s older, slower and less energetic than he would’ve been back then at dismantling our institutions.
There was no election rigging or fraud in 2020. How are people still stuck to delusion when it’s almost 2026. Dems used mail-in voting more than republicans because Trump had spent a year saying that mail-in voting would be rigged.
How could democrat rig 2020 (while Trump was in power..) and not do the same in 2024? When they controlled the executive?
Maybe because THERE WAS NO RIGGING in 2020 other than Trump's own doing in Georgia or Arizona.
My guy, there were 62 lawsuits that were filed by Trump and his campaign and most were thrown out, and a couple of them he did win on had to do with some wording that had 0 effect on election outcome. Some of the recounts resulted in Biden gaining more votes than initially counted. As one reply stated, Trump told the base not to vote absentee while the Dems encouraged voters in states that allow absentee voting. There was no rigging or stolen election.
Our alliances wouldn't have been deteriorated, the Federal Reserve wouldn't be in jeopardy with Trump nominating a new chairman next year, Humphrey's Executor wouldn't have a chance of being overturned at the cost of every independent agency ranging from the FEC and FTC to the SEC and FDIC, and Trump would be more moderate in comparison to our timeline with his many Yes-Men.
If only that could have happened so we can get back on track after eight years of hell. Let's hope another progressive-like era comes after this.
Bold to assume he’d just simply complied to just having two… that or just how further radicalized the left would have swung over the right just essentially Thanos snapping a good amount of votes away to make their guy happy.
I've been conflicted on this since last year simply because November 2020-January 2021 was also in the midst of the worst surge in the pandemic, and we know how Trump handled that. Sure, we already had the vaccine beginning to be rolled out by January 2021, but the number of vaccines being received was far below expected numbers until a few months into the Biden administration.
With the Delta variant (essentially before Covid's fatality rate went down with Omicron becoming the dominant strain), coming in spring-summer of 2021 too, I can only imagine the number of deaths it would have caused under a Trump presidency.
So it feels kinda like a "fucked either way" scenario. Do you take extra hundreds of thousands of deaths from Covid and a neocon-esque administration trying to handle the 2022 global inflation issue? Or do you take a massively radicalized administration in 2024 kidnapping people off the streets and completely nuking the economy through tariff bullshit? So far, my only conclusion to these questions have been...
It is not the better outcome as the legal structures are shakey but are still holding at the moment. Capitulating to lies in the hopes that future contests will be fair is a fools game.
And then Trump gets indicted for tax fraud and the IRS and FBI uncover a massive corruption ring in the GOP in all three branches of government. The GOP practically goes extinct overnight, being forced to disband, rat each other out, and never reassemble as a new political party as part of a plea deal.
Basically, in this alternate timeline, or at least in my personal headcanon for it, Trump basically becomes a modern Icarus, he flies too close to the sun after overturning the 2020 election, and then he crashes, burns, and takes the rest of the GOP with him.
Congress impeaches and remove him when they realize he rigged a election by millions of votes. Pence becomes president and meanwhile the Republican party conpletely implodes due to infighting. No election is won by the GOP for atleast 8 years.
Who the fuck reported this as hate speech?
New Mexico?
https://preview.redd.it/fnkmty0cmn8g1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8879c717be0d4af35a815161ff9e4b4d3603e35d
Unironically probably the better timeline- avoids the radicalisation of Trump and the wider MAGA base post-January 6th, and means that the Dems could have won 2 terms rather than 1 bookended by a radicalised Trump with no safeguards. Probably would also have led to Democrat congressional majorities in 2022, so could have actually impeached him.
I don’t know if an election being overthrown is a better timeline. I can see arguments for if he won legitimately that being the case. But i don’t think that level of democratic backsliding is better.
No I'm not saying that he would overturn the election, but rather win as in the image
The title is that he "overturns" every state. So he wins in recounts and court.
They only win two terms if they get someone more exciting than Biden
After the 2024 election I silently had the thought “you know maybe this is better in the long run…” as much as I wouldn’t have said it out loud. I feel like a Harris presidency just wouldn’t be very good for us, she lacks much vision or leadership and we’d probably see a lot of midterm losses and the GOP roaring back in 2028. Trump right now sucks of course and is hurting a lot of people, but his terrible actions are also making it easier for Democrats to energize themselves and hopefully become a more proactive party. My gut says a Harris presidency would have made an even more anemic and uninspiring Democratic Party and in all likelihood been one term with a big reelection loss.
Harris would have been a terrible president, I agree. But anything would be better than what is happening.
In terms of the lives of Americans over four years, yes. In terms of politically for Democrats, I’m saying it would be worse in the long term for them if Harris was president.
No I agree.
I’m worried the dems are gonna throw newsome or some bland corporate suit out there. Primaries are gonna be important
Here’s the thing, if he had somehow two terms in a row that would’ve been a lot of damage in a row with him continuously in the highest office. Now? Now he’s had to waste time undoing Biden’s stuff (much of which is popular) and he’s older, slower and less energetic than he would’ve been back then at dismantling our institutions.
I think hundreds of thousands of votes being thrown out is it in any universe the better timeline
I think the best timeline is the Democrats not rigging 2020 with mail in voting.
I mean it's obvious the last second voting changes won Dems the election because it got low propensity voters to vote.
Once they actually had to compete fairly, Trump wiped the floor with them in 2024.
There was no election rigging or fraud in 2020. How are people still stuck to delusion when it’s almost 2026. Dems used mail-in voting more than republicans because Trump had spent a year saying that mail-in voting would be rigged.
Isn't it fair to let everyone vote even with mail in voting?
How could democrat rig 2020 (while Trump was in power..) and not do the same in 2024? When they controlled the executive? Maybe because THERE WAS NO RIGGING in 2020 other than Trump's own doing in Georgia or Arizona.
Rigging a vote means that you try to manipulate a vote in your favour despite the fact that you lost, WHICH IS LITERALLY WHAT TRUMP TRIED TO DO.
Making it easier for poor and rural people isn't rigging lmao. It's literally the will of the people
My guy, there were 62 lawsuits that were filed by Trump and his campaign and most were thrown out, and a couple of them he did win on had to do with some wording that had 0 effect on election outcome. Some of the recounts resulted in Biden gaining more votes than initially counted. As one reply stated, Trump told the base not to vote absentee while the Dems encouraged voters in states that allow absentee voting. There was no rigging or stolen election.
Is stealing an election in 7 states not radicalized?
Our alliances wouldn't have been deteriorated, the Federal Reserve wouldn't be in jeopardy with Trump nominating a new chairman next year, Humphrey's Executor wouldn't have a chance of being overturned at the cost of every independent agency ranging from the FEC and FTC to the SEC and FDIC, and Trump would be more moderate in comparison to our timeline with his many Yes-Men.
If only that could have happened so we can get back on track after eight years of hell. Let's hope another progressive-like era comes after this.
Bold to assume he’d just simply complied to just having two… that or just how further radicalized the left would have swung over the right just essentially Thanos snapping a good amount of votes away to make their guy happy.
I've been conflicted on this since last year simply because November 2020-January 2021 was also in the midst of the worst surge in the pandemic, and we know how Trump handled that. Sure, we already had the vaccine beginning to be rolled out by January 2021, but the number of vaccines being received was far below expected numbers until a few months into the Biden administration.
With the Delta variant (essentially before Covid's fatality rate went down with Omicron becoming the dominant strain), coming in spring-summer of 2021 too, I can only imagine the number of deaths it would have caused under a Trump presidency.
So it feels kinda like a "fucked either way" scenario. Do you take extra hundreds of thousands of deaths from Covid and a neocon-esque administration trying to handle the 2022 global inflation issue? Or do you take a massively radicalized administration in 2024 kidnapping people off the streets and completely nuking the economy through tariff bullshit? So far, my only conclusion to these questions have been...
...I'm tired, boss :(
It is not the better outcome as the legal structures are shakey but are still holding at the moment. Capitulating to lies in the hopes that future contests will be fair is a fools game.
I think he wanted to overturn every state
These were the ones he put a lot of effort into though
I guess but it’s because they were realistic for him to win since they were swing states
i think if he could get these, he could probably get a little more
all the swing states and new mexico
Didn’t he lose New Mexico by over 10 points?
He still tried
Has Trump mandated this map to be used in school text book yet.
How about Elon knowing those machines.
And then Trump gets indicted for tax fraud and the IRS and FBI uncover a massive corruption ring in the GOP in all three branches of government. The GOP practically goes extinct overnight, being forced to disband, rat each other out, and never reassemble as a new political party as part of a plea deal.
Basically, in this alternate timeline, or at least in my personal headcanon for it, Trump basically becomes a modern Icarus, he flies too close to the sun after overturning the 2020 election, and then he crashes, burns, and takes the rest of the GOP with him.
Least deranged Redditor
At least he gets out sooner
Congress impeaches and remove him when they realize he rigged a election by millions of votes. Pence becomes president and meanwhile the Republican party conpletely implodes due to infighting. No election is won by the GOP for atleast 8 years.
In other words, the good timeline.
i think he wanted MN too
I think he wanted Minnesota as well.