Kinda curious why Nina Purpleton is here. She doesn't really give me the vibes of "die hard Zeon sympathizer", just someone's who's ex happened to be a Zeon ace.
Not gonna retell what I said here, but it isn't about vocally supporting or genuinely believing that fascist regime is the best way to govern a country; it's about buying into lies told by fascist propaganda.
Pretending to be a noble knight is part of Gato's persona Nina, imo, is drawn to. Remember, she doesn't know his real personality, he's never opened up with her.
In the anime we don't see what kind of relationship they have. All we know is that Nina didn't know that he's a pilot.
In the manga their situationship looks one-sided and they weren't close emotionally. Hell, Nina didn't even know his first name! Probably Gato didn't realize that he's in a relationship with her 🙈
No-no, in 0082 (IIRC that's the year when they had their situationship) Nina found him in a junkyard and was attracted to him bc he was willing to listen to her yapping about mobile suits.
In 0083, however, it was about his noble warrior persona.
The difference is that Delaz didn't believe in anything but destruction for the sake of destruction. There was a nice picture: an admiral and his pet ace pilot standing in front of the stolen Gundam and talking about noble ideals, justice, revenge and other things of that nature. But the catch is that there's nothing behind it. He didn't have any goals, only destruction for the sake of destruction. It's a body without organs, if you will.
Nina is frustrated the feddie men around her. They are rude, stupid, disrespectful and sexist, no one seems to see a person in her, merely a beautiful woman. So of course she's drawn to Gato who yaps about noble ideals and pretends to be an honorable warrior. It's a sweet fairy tail for her.
Clara deals with a pretty similar issue - she's not seen by other men as a person with agency who's worthy of respect and acknowledgment. Since she's not very interested in men romantically or sexually, she falls for military propaganda and buys into the idea that being in the military equals honor and respect, so she wants to become a marine more than anything.
Karius needs to be fed with Zeon propaganda in the same way a post-op patient needs opioids. He and Gato are the only survivors of the 302th company, he's lost the place where he met his dearest friend, he's seen his comrades dying - how could he be ok after that? He chooses to remain in the time loop of late 0079, Solomon, where he has Gato and some sort of stability, or rather lack of change.
But what Gato pretends to be and what Zeon propaganda tells is a fraud, so all three of them had to go through pain and loss to see that.
What do you mean? Didn’t they have the dream of liberation of spacenoid by crippling the Federation fleet and crippling their food production to rely more on Spacenoids?
This is how you know Gundam is fiction, real fascists huff so much copium that fact itself becomes their number one enemy. They would rather declare war on reality itself than admit for a second that they fell for propaganda, regardless whether their initial motivations were cruel or benign.
A perfect example are IRL Zeon apologists funnily enough. The word of the literal creator of the setting isn't enough to convince them they're wrong despite hours of overwhelming evidence.
All three of them had to go through pain and loss to doubt the lies they believe. And there's no guarantee all three of them will have deradicalized after the events of 0083. Nina wasn't knee deep in zeon delirium, to be fair, she just believed that Gato's persona was real. Clara has people who can support and guide her. Karius might be the worst case, he lost everyone who was close to him and was taken to Axis Zeon, which is not the best place to question fascist beliefs.
I'm all for jokes about political old men yaoi, but please, keep in mind that Clinton was significantly older and in a position of power of Lewinsky, no way in hell it was fully consensual and not coercive.
The Delaz faction didn't fight for independence. They didn't have support from the population of side 3, they didn't know how to govern people or establish a new administration, no one had a vision for the post victory future. It's a death cult that seek destruction and self-destruction.
true, but said fight was coopted by a family of undeniable fascists who used it as way to amass power and delusions of grandeur to then squabble over it and kill millions in the process over several generations.
Kinda curious why Nina Purpleton is here. She doesn't really give me the vibes of "die hard Zeon sympathizer", just someone's who's ex happened to be a Zeon ace.
Not gonna retell what I said here, but it isn't about vocally supporting or genuinely believing that fascist regime is the best way to govern a country; it's about buying into lies told by fascist propaganda.
She's not into Gato because of Zeon propaganda though
In fact, his "Muh Glorious Zeon!!!" bullshit puts her off.
Pretending to be a noble knight is part of Gato's persona Nina, imo, is drawn to. Remember, she doesn't know his real personality, he's never opened up with her.
No??
She literally met him on the Moon while he was depressed and disillusioned.
In the anime we don't see what kind of relationship they have. All we know is that Nina didn't know that he's a pilot.
In the manga their situationship looks one-sided and they weren't close emotionally. Hell, Nina didn't even know his first name! Probably Gato didn't realize that he's in a relationship with her 🙈
You're... but doing a good job of convincing me that it was his "muh ideals!!!!!" she was attracted to...
No-no, in 0082 (IIRC that's the year when they had their situationship) Nina found him in a junkyard and was attracted to him bc he was willing to listen to her yapping about mobile suits.
In 0083, however, it was about his noble warrior persona.
His nobel warrior bullshit nearly resulted in her shooting him, what are you talking about?
I know 0083 predates the game, but gato reminds me of Johnny Silverhand
I think that applies to most if not all Zeon ramnant members.
It's depressingly realistic, I think.
Zeon Deikun already believed in the superior spirit of the spacenoid volk.
The difference is that Delaz didn't believe in anything but destruction for the sake of destruction. There was a nice picture: an admiral and his pet ace pilot standing in front of the stolen Gundam and talking about noble ideals, justice, revenge and other things of that nature. But the catch is that there's nothing behind it. He didn't have any goals, only destruction for the sake of destruction. It's a body without organs, if you will.
Nina is frustrated the feddie men around her. They are rude, stupid, disrespectful and sexist, no one seems to see a person in her, merely a beautiful woman. So of course she's drawn to Gato who yaps about noble ideals and pretends to be an honorable warrior. It's a sweet fairy tail for her.
Clara deals with a pretty similar issue - she's not seen by other men as a person with agency who's worthy of respect and acknowledgment. Since she's not very interested in men romantically or sexually, she falls for military propaganda and buys into the idea that being in the military equals honor and respect, so she wants to become a marine more than anything.
Karius needs to be fed with Zeon propaganda in the same way a post-op patient needs opioids. He and Gato are the only survivors of the 302th company, he's lost the place where he met his dearest friend, he's seen his comrades dying - how could he be ok after that? He chooses to remain in the time loop of late 0079, Solomon, where he has Gato and some sort of stability, or rather lack of change.
But what Gato pretends to be and what Zeon propaganda tells is a fraud, so all three of them had to go through pain and loss to see that.
What do you mean? Didn’t they have the dream of liberation of spacenoid by crippling the Federation fleet and crippling their food production to rely more on Spacenoids?
Wasn't Nina only defending them because her ex who she still had some feelings for was their messiah?
This is how you know Gundam is fiction, real fascists huff so much copium that fact itself becomes their number one enemy. They would rather declare war on reality itself than admit for a second that they fell for propaganda, regardless whether their initial motivations were cruel or benign.
A perfect example are IRL Zeon apologists funnily enough. The word of the literal creator of the setting isn't enough to convince them they're wrong despite hours of overwhelming evidence.
All three of them had to go through pain and loss to doubt the lies they believe. And there's no guarantee all three of them will have deradicalized after the events of 0083. Nina wasn't knee deep in zeon delirium, to be fair, she just believed that Gato's persona was real. Clara has people who can support and guide her. Karius might be the worst case, he lost everyone who was close to him and was taken to Axis Zeon, which is not the best place to question fascist beliefs.
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I'm all for jokes about political old men yaoi, but please, keep in mind that Clinton was significantly older and in a position of power of Lewinsky, no way in hell it was fully consensual and not coercive.
Who's Upper Right?
Clara Lodge from the 0083 manga adaptation
Zeon fought for independence
The Delaz faction didn't fight for independence. They didn't have support from the population of side 3, they didn't know how to govern people or establish a new administration, no one had a vision for the post victory future. It's a death cult that seek destruction and self-destruction.
They'd been independent for 10 years before the OYW.
Yes for the independence of what they thought was the superior race that should be the only one ruling space
true, but said fight was coopted by a family of undeniable fascists who used it as way to amass power and delusions of grandeur to then squabble over it and kill millions in the process over several generations.