It's a joke in the HSR community when Phainon's hometown map (Aedes Elysiae) was reused in the Fate Collab as Saber's hometown (Britain) despite their revenue. Said map looks similar, mostly the trees, to Liyue.
Yes we are, the fact they put lumine there when their MC is Aether and put her with the white color she has currently as the abyss princess, it's not just a mistake because they chose the element of the character, if she was meant to be here as MC then she would have anemo or Geo not the white.
Like what, no hydro character? You know what I don't see any use in arguing with you it's just dumb because giving hydro traveler was logical in this situation
Oh and btw if you say we had Aino, on the second half we only had traveler and Nefer, the hydro traveler was to make sure we could trigger lunarbloom so it IS logical
"Attention to detail" is a pretty important thing in games you know. Like having a dragon character glide with his own wings instead of gliders.
Or characters having their own poses in character menu instead of using the same 3-4 poses for literally every character.
Oh we are talking about lore though right? How about the fact that the character you play is completely different in world quests and archon quests? Either I'm playing two different travelers or traveler is suffering from a serious case of multiple personality disorder.
But of course, Hoyo always pays attention to detail right?
Samsara crackpot theory: Lumine was just like us before, travelling with Paimon, and Aether was the Abyss Twin. They found HP and he rewound time, making Aether go through the same journey instead to make him realise his mistake.
Not a trailer but at least they did use Lumine as the traveler in the latest Web Event (and I probably wouldn't have bothered downloading the wallpaper otherwise tbh).
The web events seem to be the only times left where they care to do 2 versions.
iirc they had also already stopped doing Lumine versions with the birthday chibi art before they stopped doing those entirely.
Really wish they did like wuwa did and let both MC’s have a chance to shine in the promotional material.
Edit: everyone has replied with the same point about the MC’s. I get it lol, I already said “fair enough” and I agree within first hour of the post being up.
It would still be nice to see Lumine in my event art. my launcher. Give me a toggle for it in the settings. Let me see her in game, if not the promotional material.
no, they just want whatever version of the mc you pick to have their time to shine in the trailers, there is no gender switching in the games story or lore at all, its just a quality of life feature ingame that you can switch freely at anytime (with a 24 hours cooldown before you can switch again)
That example has them even farther apart because they have different names, it's referring to two people. Again, Stelle and Caelus play the role of the same person, but Stelle is Stelle and Caelus is Caelus. Stelle can't be Caelus, their identity only overlaps as "Trailblazer"
Buddy they are the same person, like V from cyberpunk is the same person, the game just lets u pick the gender. Wise and Belle are two different people that play the same role as protagonist.
V from Cyberpunk could just go to a ripperdoc and completely change their body, that's precisely why I'm making this distinction because Caelus can't do that. He isn't Stelle, he never becomes Stelle, he just plays the same role in the story.
You can watch them on YT on their official channel, it’s like both mcs coexist within one individual and they make the switch between them happen smoothly
Well the problem here is that both MCs exist together in the same world and fulfill two very distinct roles, so they make the Male MC as Traveler and the Female MC as the Abyss Sibling so whenever you see Lumine in trailers you know it's the Abyss one.
That of course doesn't excuse the fact that they sometimes forget to put Lumine in-game event art.
They do show her in the trailers everytime the abyss order becomes relevant and she appears in the story. But that isnt a lot, so yea, you often won't see her
Even without a trailer they should show Lumine when it comes to at least the event illustration in your game..In WuWa's event illustration where they only feature one Rover it shows the Rover you are using and when you switch to a different gender the rover on the event illustration also change..
There are so many ways around this. Show her with Paimon and whichever nation’s elemental resonance and people will figure it out.
I just want to see my girl. I’m pretty sure more people still play her as the traveler anyway. It had been slightly over 50% for Lumine for a long time, at least.
Way more than 50%. In the recent saurian dance event, you could see which Traveler your teammates had. I played this event quite a lot, and it was very noticeable that there were far more Lumines than Aethers.
Well though I am a lumine main too,our mcs are not like wuwa mc's. They are not default just genders or they could have done like wise and belle in zzz and hsr with their mcs they had been doing wuwa thing before than wuwa its just for genshin 1 they are siblings and not just gender swaps plus they have to portray one side as antagonistic and one as hero so of they keep on switching it will create confusion for new people, now pls stop saying how wuwa do stuff for which hoyo had been doing way before wuwa existed.
Also, comparing the two games is good. Competition is good. Discussion is good. I want Genshin to be the absolute best it can be, because I love it. Discussion like this is what helps the game grow.
But it already had what u said way before competition so yeah I never stopped u from saying comparison is bad but do in stuff which hoyo doesn't do not in what they already do way before wuwa.
The competition comment was in reference to “now pls stop saying how wuwa do stuff for which hoyo had been doing way before wuwa existed.”
I interpreted it to mean: don’t compare the two games.
Comparison and discussion is natural between competing games, so I mentioned the fact that they are competitors to emphasize that discussions like this are going to happen. It’s an inevitability. Thus, asking for them not to be compared is silly.
His English, grammar, and punctuation make it incredibly hard to decipher.
I meant that there can't be a promo competition when all other examples have only 1 of 2 characters exist in game universe at a time. While Genshin (and ZZZ the same) have 2 different characters having 2 distinctly different roles in story and able to be present simultaneously. So, it's silly for Genshin promotions to do stuff that, for example, Wuwa does with their interchangeable MCs (switching mid trailer or something? Never seen them).
Yes, I agree with that. I agreed with it when another person commented it like an hour after my comment. I updated my first post to reflect that now.
Yeah, wuwa switches them mid-trailer, it’s honestly really clean. They do a good job.
I mentioned exclusively the competition, comparison, etc. in my reply to you and the guy above because it was the only new thing being added to the discussion. I already conceded to the other point earlier, so talking about it again isn’t productive.
Sorry if I come off as hostile, that’s not my intention. Hope you have a great day🙂
Hoyo follow their lore seriously. In HSR you see both MC and genshin only Aether. This is cause Aether and Lumine is different while Caelus and Stelle not so much different
But aren’t Lumine and Aether interchangeable. Their stories are the same as the MC or when they become the abyssal Prince/Princess. It’s like in Pokémon when you choose male or female protagonist and the other becomes your rival.
I think what they were saying is that Caelus and Stelle don't both exist in HSR, it's one or the other, so whenever you see them in trailers you know it's the MC. Aether and Lumine are both actual characters though, so for continuity's sake it makes sense from Hoyo's perspective to designate one as the Traveler and one as the Abyss sibling for simplicity's sake.
Like the other person said it’s solely to keep their narrative strong/consistent , this trailer was pre their importance on it. And their story heavily involves these two/ as separate characters. Unlike Wuwa as they’re the same person/doesn’t matter.
Well yes, this particular trailer was the sole reason why Lumine is never included in trailers.
Cause afaik, this caused a lot, I mean A LOT of confusion in the community, how is Abyss sibling with Paimon, why is her element white, which ofc was a dev error, but that can't stop people from theorizing all sorts of things. In fact, I still see people use this trailer, in their theories, like how this is a reference to samsara, other theories like, lumine and aether are just stuck in alternate loops, etc etc.
Not to forget it was the early days of Genshin, so more prone to confusion and outrage. So, to avoid confusion they completely removed Lumine from their future promotions.
Ig this is what happens if you keep both the characters in different imp roles, in a gacha character with a gacha community. But yes, she really deserves her own artworks at least in game. Like why tf does my event banner have Aether in it when I have lumine as MC.
(Funny enough, all this chaos could have been avoided if Lumine didn't have white element in the trailer, I hope so)
Its wild since it would take so little work to have a Lumine version of every event banner at least, since you just know every character in those images is a layer that can be swapped in and out.
They can't even bother switching one of the Aether icons into a Lumine, which is an existing asset.
But I'll keep nagging to them about it in the surveys anyways.
I’m deeply disappointed my favorite female character I’ve been running with since the beginning is mostly sidelined she deserves more love she’ll always be number one in my heart I can’t believe we haven’t seen her for this long in trailers come on hoyoverse don’t forget about lumine she’s important too
She’s the Abyss Princess for them, since this for 5 years they’ve clearly put the emphasis for their trailers/lore wise that they picked Aether. You’ll see her in web event which sometimes depends on the twin you pick. And Anniversary arts/trailers nom canon which celebrates the two reuniting. That’s how they’re gonna do it to the end with how much they dedicate to the importance of lore.
I would actually watch trailers/pay attention to promotional material if Lumine was featured as the Traveler more.
As it stands I just can't watch trailers for new versions which sucks, I tried believe me but I couldn't stand it everytime I saw Aether as the Traveler because it just felt wrong to me.
This in turn makes it harder to get hyped about new things before they hit the game and I can see Lumine doing it.
No. This was very early days before they stuck with keeping the importance of lore. They decided to just choose one as the primary and one as the Abyss Sibling. It’s very consistent for years after this and only during non canon stuff to the lore will it feature the two e.g web events/anniversary’s.
I guess coz the Abyss Sibling weren't around that time... So they have to pick, and they go on male MC route as usual...
The only reason Star Rail still able to hold the "both are canon MC" is because the unchosen MC didn't go anywhere at all yet, but once the unchosen MC got revealed to be a separate character, i bet they'll go with Caelus as canon MC
Every time I unlock a new tutorial and Aether is the one demonstrating it, I hate that I started genshin during an era of my life where I still related to fem characters more than masc one (im transmasc) like I get why we cant change which twin we picked since in game pictures (like hangout memories) could get messy (although i mean they each have a version but switching them would prob be a hassle), but atleast give me the one I picked in the tuts and not the one I wanted </3
In a game where both MC have a distinct role, is logica that they decided to represent them clearly, when you see Aether and Lumine on a trailer YOU KNOW wich one is the abyss twin
You’re getting downvoted for what lmao , it’s obvious this is what they did. They love their lore and this was early days before they finalised what they wanted to do, so making seperate roles for official Promos is the way to go , especially for Genshin’s main lore as it concerns the 2 of them. Switching the 2 breaks that narrative.
Lumine Mains truly still crying about this huh?? Hate to break this for you, but Genshin devs will never use Lumine for Promotional Videos, and im happy they are doing this lol, Hsr mostly use Stelle (and somehow no one complain about that).
If y’all don’t like it then just don’t watch the Videos, or just make yours (like you always do lmao)
also hsr alternates all the time. also also in the 1.x days caelus mains were acting like he was getting shafted as hard as lumine was and still is. people did complain about stelle having a decent amount of relevance in the marketing
It’s also super misogynistic to imply that just because men have an undeniable and obvious advantage in activities that require physical strength, women are only left with their sex appeal to provide value.
sure maybe in real life men have higher muscle mass than women, but that's irl. last I checked, genshin didn't follow irl physics and stuff. unless people are out here freezing massive waves with magic ice manipulation powers and stuff, idk
Men are just better suited for combat than women. That doesn’t make them any less valuable; YOU are the one making that implication, and frankly it’s kind of gross.
Additionally, your comment implies that women are just men with boobs which strips away what makes women unique and special. God damn bro. Trying so hard to get your internet virtue points that you end up being super sexist. Crazy.
and yes, IN REAL LIFE, men have more muscle mass and stuff, which does make them better suited for combat. we're talking about A GAME rn tho. a FICTIONAL world. with things that don't happen irl. I don't think it's unreasonable to ignore real life in things like this. irl men having more muscle mass than irl women doesn't mean shit when we're playing a game where people actively use magic. 99% of all combat in this world uses magic, anyways. muscle mass doesn't matter when you'll just end up fireballing your enemy. and even without that, nothing implies that teyvat's men have higher muscle mass than teyvat's women
again, I didn't imply any of that? pretty concerning that that's what you read tbh. something something projection
I only want girls in my game to bounce their tits and that’s it
I didn’t say this. You did.
I never said women can’t be fighters.
I never said women shouldn’t be fighters.
All I said was that men are better suited to the task. You come in and imply that if women aren’t as effective as men in combat then all they are is a bouncing set of tits.
It’s so funny you’re saying I’m projecting when you are literally shadow boxing with your own argument.
Biological and factually correct. People in the reply argues like gacha representations based on sales change biology.
Even “some” female personalities and mindsets are male coded ones (like some characteristics that get influenced by hormones) in most games not even just gacha. “Some” female characters are basically men in hot women bodies. You just have to accept it or be delusional about it.
Don’t you understand the meaning of the word “some”, I literally highlighted?
And there are things called averages and when you talk about groups you usually talk about them as a whole.
And as a whole men are stronger and possibly (based on historical and current world data) better fighters.
You are like if someone says “Americans are richer than Indians” (which you can just see by using GDP per capita) and you say “So Indian can’t be rich? Wtf? What about Ambani?”
Biology stops mattering when characters strengths come from a magical gem instead of muscles and multiple characters aren't even human or are affected by super natural shit like what ever the hell happened to Shenhe. Genshin does not follow real world logic at all, even things like the climate aren't even remotely similar to the real world.
Even in game only like what? 0.1% characters canonically as a vision. Same goes for supernatural beings (not humans to begin with). So even if a vision completely changes one’s anatomy (it doesn’t, it’s more of an external strength booster and power source, your biology remains more or less the same), it will only apply to a very few percentage of people, others are more or less like real humans. You can literally see this in NPC fighters like armies, enemies. Way more than half of them are male just like in real world. (Obviously there are female fighters but as I said in my initial reply, we are talking about averages)
This just goes to show how much you pay attention. Just because something is fictional and has supernatural elements doesn’t mean it has nothing to do with reality. Guess what no human or humans can create a fictional that is entirely different from reality.
I explained this in another comment, visions act more like an answer to the disparity between female NPCs and female playable characters, where NPCs follow real world logic while playable characters don’t. Having a vision is a lore accurate reason to justify how every single playable female is strong and can fight, same goes to playable men. Not every man is strong and can fight either.
I will post that comment here, because this is basically the same argument.
“Biology literally is there in the game. Just because something is fictional it doesn’t automatically means “everything” is completely different. It’s literally impossible human to create a fiction like that even if they tried.
Muscle mass, bone structures, other biological processes like eating, breathing everything exist in the game and most of it are same as the real world. There are huge number of references to things like muscles, training, exercising and facts that can be literally used in real life.
And males and females look the same as in the real world. And their muscle masses have same differences like in the real world. So it’s “safe to assume” real world biological realities applies to them. NPCs usually support this fact.
Go and check armies of most nations. There are literally more men than women same as real life. You argue about a game while failing to pay even most basic attention to the things that matter in this argument about fighters like, you know, fighters.
Unless it’s specified like gaining a vision, which increases your strength. And based on different vision holders having different strength levels it is not a set amount, but more like a multiplication of your actual base strength. (Most likely guess based on available information). (So almost every female playable character’s ability to fight are justified because they already have a strength booster.)
Where did I say anything about singular mindset? I said “some” specific personalities “used in games” are male-coded. There are many different female personalities, but the point is most developers use male personalities on female characters.
(And since we are pulling assumptions about each other out of thin air based on “comments” like professional psychologists, instead of sticking to the actual argument. Based on your comment I don’t expect you to understand any of this, because I doubt you can even pay attention (didn’t notice genders of soldiers)).”
It's much more likely that there's more men in armies ( except for Mondstadt) due to habit since that's how it is in real life. You're trying to act like a game cares about biology and muscle mass when characters like Keqing was killing monsters much bigger than her without a vision with a damn hairpin meanwhile most other characters cant even do that with a vision. Noelle also uses her vision to strengthen her weapon so she can actually use it without breaking, not her self. The game constantly just makes shit up.
Don’t you understand the concept of averages and outliers? even after I explained it multiple times and even gave you an analogy using American and Indians, and an outlier like Ambani.
You literally circles back to vision holders, which I said have lore explained strength boosters, and once in a lifetime anomalies like Noelle and Shenhe.
Are you really incapable of grasping averages and when you talk about a group you don’t make a point by using 1 or 2 people, even the top 1%? There is something called a bell curve.
I mean in real life top 1% strongest female can beat probably like 95% of men, (or something like that, don’t know the exact stats but top 1% females are clearly stronger than an average man), you don’t need magic or vision to do that, it is true even in real life. Like professional female fighter can beat an average man. I didn’t say any man > every single female in strength. You aren’t even understanding the point.
We are literally talking about two large groups, while you always go back to use top 1% (actually it’s more like top 0.1% with magic on top) as examples. Literally can’t tell whether you are joking or incapable of understanding how to analyze large groups.
“Genshin does not follow real world logic at all”, you literally said this, so it doesn’t follow real world logic when it doesn’t support you idea like biology, muscle mass and anatomy, (which has in game examples like doctors, regular illnesses, food, diets affecting bodies, you name it)
And when it has more men in armies, it’s just following the real life?
And guess what, there are more men in real life armies because this exact thing we are discussing, men are biological stronger and better fighters than men, so evolutionary starting from prehistoric times men was the ones doing the most fighting and protecting and evolved to do that. Your bias and opinions don’t change evolutionary facts. (And there are some animals where females are stronger and better fighters, but not in humans)
And yes game does care about biology and reality like every other fiction, because that’s the default mode in basically every fiction. Unless you have a specific reason like world building and lore to change something, it’s basically the same as real world, because no one can create a world out from scratch.
Like how do you think fictional worlds work? If you eat an apple in a game, if you don’t get a notification saying “apple gets digested and provides nutrients to the body”, you have no idea what’s going to happen? Because it’s not real life? Otherwise they clearly mention it, it just follow the real life logics and rules. Not the other way around.
So when they add humans, they just add some extra stuff like elemental affinity on top, and keep the rest same as real world. If they are going to change everything, not only it makes it hard to understand, they won’t be able to tell the story at all, and there will be lot of issues because humans can’t create something that matches millions of years of biology just for a fiction. They just copy and paste real world and add their own twists. Not something Genshin invented, even some fantasies like DnD with even wilder stuff, still grounded in reality for basic things.
And yes, they don’t go plan all this and it’s not this deep. It’s just what human does “naturally”. They just copy the reality and edit it. And guess what most of the time they don’t edit the NPC (even playable) biology so it stays same as in the real world. They focus on the their defining features like elements and visions in Genshin for example, which co exist with biology, doesn’t invalidate it. There are many examples btw, how biology is still there same as the real world in “most” cases.
If it’s still not clear and hard to grasp,
Average male NPC/human > Average female NPC/human, in terms of strength. (No visions just like 99% (don’t know the exact number) of the Teyvat population)
Noelle/Shenhe are “outliers” biologically (and magically in Shenhe’s case) and they have artificial strength boosters on top. Other vision holders like Keqing also have these artificial strength boosters, and she is clearly a trained fighter with talent, even without it. And as I said a talented trained female fighter is better than an average man.
The thing is you can’t use a single person in a group as an example for the entire group. Use things like gender ratios in the army and enemies, historical records in game, etc.
Capitano can fights gods “without a vision” and said to be the “strongest human”, do I even count it as an achievement to “men” and use it to prove why men are stronger? No. Because you can’t just use absolute tops and outliers when comparing a large group. (Said this so many times, it’s weird how you still bring it up).
Those characters you mentioned are top 1% of females in terms of strength, actually more like top 0.1% or higher.
Keqing wasn't using a vision, Noelle does not use her vision for strength. I also only used 2 examples cause I don't want to argue with a moron trying to act like it's by your own words "impossible" for real life biology to be excluded in fiction for an extended period of time. Spending this much time typing out your shit takes is just pure mental illness. Women in real life are weaker on average, in fiction nothing matters period. Do your self a favour, delete reddit and social media and go do something productive. Also I took a look at the armies you keep talking about, Natlan, Snezhnaya and Mondstadt are pretty close to evenly split, the Corp of 30 has tons of women and the Eremites have women everywhere as well. Meanwhile the Gardes are almost all female. It's only the 2 asian nations that is almost entirely male dominant.
I added some stuff I didn’t before, because it’s embarrassing that I need to handhold every single detail to make a point or you guys latch on to something entirely unrelated.
I literally said Noelle is an outlier and Keqing is a trained martial artist with talent. Both are outliers. Top 0.1% or higher.
I never said Genshin is real life 1:1. There are fictional characters with fictional feats.
That doesn’t change the fact real world biology exists and vast majority of people in that world (who are NPCs) have no such feats and basically 1:1 with real life humans and their biology.
Even in real life there are crazy outliers like Mike Tyson, Usain Bolt, etc. Who can do things no average human can. And in fiction there is going to characters who are like that by birth too. And obviously exaggerated.
And you literally admitted they used real world army ratios because of real world habit. That’s literally using real world logic in fiction because that’s what every fiction does for things they don’t need to focus on directly.
And that gender ratios of fighers in real world exist for a reason. And otherwise it’s mentioned “nah, all these nations have 70-90% male soldiers because why not”, it follows the same reasoning as real world.
And Genshin aren’t even lazy about it. In Natlan where there is a shortage of manpower and a war going on, female fighters ratio is higher because they take whatever they can get. While Liyue which is probably the safest nation right now, vast majority of the military is men. You aren’t even paying attention to the game even, just focus on things that support you like a character story and ignore everything else as “just using real life habits” because it doesn’t support my opinion.
I don’t need to hear about your “opinions” about me and my life. It isn’t the argument now is it? I am talking about this thing because I want, for my own reasons. My life and my reasons are none of your business. Talk about the points of this argument or don’t, I only care about that in this tread, not your random “opinions” about me.
If you don’t have any logical arguments (you didn’t have much to begin with except constantly bringing up top 1% of a group to comparison between another group while completely ignoring 99% of that group and every other detail game has added like, you know, fighters and enemies), you can just say that or stop. I don’t need your advice or suggestions (personally I don’t think you are in a position to give anyone life advice anyway)
Yeah so… this is a fictional game. It’s funny how you bring up biology when “biologically” speaking, men aren’t able to yield elemental powers, but heaven forbid female characters know how to fight:))
“some female personalities and mindsets are male ones” yes, because women are a monolith with a singular mindset (not that I’m expecting you to know that, based on your comment I doubt you have much interaction with women irl)
Biology literally is there in the game. Just because something is fictional it doesn’t automatically means “everything” is completely different. It’s literally impossible human to create a fiction like that even if they tried.
Muscle mass, bone structures, other biological processes like eating, breathing everything exist in the game and most of it are same as the real world. There are huge number of references to things like muscles, training, exercising and facts that can be literally used in real life.
And males and females look the same as in the real world. And their muscle masses have same differences like in the real world. So it’s “safe to assume” real world biological realities applies to them. NPCs usually support this fact.
Go and check armies of most nations. There are literally more men than women same as real life. You argue about a game while failing to pay even most basic attention to the things that matter in this argument about fighters like, you know, fighters.
Unless it’s specified like gaining a vision, which increases your strength. And based on different vision holders having different strength levels it is not a set amount, but more like a multiplication of your actual base strength. (Most likely guess based on available information). (So almost every female playable character’s ability to fight are justified because they already have a strength booster.)
Where did I say anything about singular mindset? I said “some” specific personalities “used in games” are male-coded. There are many different female personalities, but the point is most developers use male personalities on female characters.
(And since we are pulling assumptions about each other out of thin air based on “comments” like professional psychologists, instead of sticking to the actual argument. Based on your comment I don’t expect you to understand any of this, because I doubt you can even pay attention (didn’t notice genders of soldiers)).
almost every male character’s ability to fight is also justified by the same strength booster. also, what kind of “male personalities” are you talking about? i cant think of one female character who had a “male” personality, and personality really isnt gendered, so that take is off. there are female npc warriors without visions just as there are male ones, its not like the only strong female characters have visions or gnosis, but i dont know why or how you think that way unless you really dont pay any attention to the game and assume this generically.
Point I tried to make with vision strength boost is the disparity between NPCs and playable character genders.
As I said “ majority” of the soldiers and most fighters in most nations and factions are male npcs. But playable characters where everyone can fight, have more females than males. Real reason is sales, it’s literally their main revenue so they don’t play around with it.
But that difference between female NPCs and playable characters and the question, why female NPCs follow real world logic (men are stronger and better fighters) while playable characters have same (actually higher) representation? Can be answered using visions. Because having a vision means even if you are below average (even kids) in actual strength, you will be at least be above average with a vision. (This is just an excuse (a lore accurate one), real reason is game developers use 2 different logic for NPCs and playable characters even though they are the same species. Reality for NPCs and profit for playable)
Personalities aren’t gendered, that’s true. But hormones and other factors influence personalities based on gender. It’s more of an average. This is actually scientific you can look it up. Like testosterone affects personalities and desires, etc. That doesn’t mean it completely changes or dictates a person. But each gender have some personality traits that one of them are more leaned.
Again this doesn’t mean a woman can’t have those traits, it’s just on average a man is more likely to have certain traits than a woman.
This is the funny thing about personality, you can’t point out which character is a male-coded one and which one is just a female outlier (which actually exists in real life). All you can do is notice that certain personality traits and mindsets that is more common on men are actually more common on women in fiction. Like extremely competitive ones, aggressive, fight or challenge obsessed, or even fighters and warriors. Women can be these things sure but men are more likely to, based on biology. But as I said you can’t exactly say which character is male-coded and which one is just an outlier female, you can just see the difference.
About I said this in another comment in this thread, that when you talk about large groups, you talk in averages. Obviously there are female NPC warriors, but go and check the ratio between male and female npc fighters. Which is very similar to the real world (a reason to believe even though this is fictional, lot of things are based on real life realities and facts. Like almost all fiction)
Here’s the comment I said the exact same thing when talking about large groups, it’s as if all you guys think the same way,
“Don’t you understand the meaning of the word “some”, I literally highlighted?
And there are things called averages and when you talk about groups you usually talk about them as a whole.
And as a whole men are stronger and possibly (based on historical and current world data) better fighters.
You are like if someone says “Americans are richer than Indians” (which you can just see by using GDP per capita) and you say “So Indian can’t be rich? Wtf? What about Ambani?”
I like how the Liyue announcement and the Switch announcement are the same video.
Yeah but Liyue actually came out
Congratulations to Liyue for coming out.
Yeah they came out with Beidou and Ningguang, totally not indicative of the Mei X Kiana shenanigans that happened before.
Genshin really came out of the closet with that one.
Genshin on Switch is still in the closet 😔
Genshin anime or Switch 1/2 port: which will be first?
End of the world provably
GTA VI.
By the time we have a switch 3 genshin won’t even run on it
Switch port? Never. Switch 2 port however, hm...
Easily the anime
Why are you showing Britain
Wdym this is clearly Aedes Elysiae
Right: Pai-Mon
Not pictured: Pie-Non
surely yellow trees traumatized Star Rail players that hard
I don't get it. Someone explain the joke pls :')
It's a joke in the HSR community when Phainon's hometown map (Aedes Elysiae) was reused in the Fate Collab as Saber's hometown (Britain) despite their revenue. Said map looks similar, mostly the trees, to Liyue.
I see, ty!
Lmao top tier comment
Actually, she was featured in the first Lantern Rite cutscene upload
But yeah, never again
And she’s as pretty as osmanthus wine
Lumine is light element here.
Edit: What could that mean.
What that means is that they didn't pay attention to that detail or didn't want to change it for whatever reason.
Genshin always pays attention to details
I'm guessing they just didn't want to specify the element.
Are we talking about the same game?
Yes we are, the fact they put lumine there when their MC is Aether and put her with the white color she has currently as the abyss princess, it's not just a mistake because they chose the element of the character, if she was meant to be here as MC then she would have anemo or Geo not the white.
When it comes to that kind of detail it's planned
Yeah remind me when I'm proven wrong then.
Same game that randomly put MC in Hydro mode during Rerir fight for no reason.
I think it was to make sure we could do the lunar reactions
There was 100% a better way to go for then to give fucking hydro traveler who is an on field hydro applier and nefer needs an off field one.
Like what, no hydro character? You know what I don't see any use in arguing with you it's just dumb because giving hydro traveler was logical in this situation
How was it logical?
Oh and btw if you say we had Aino, on the second half we only had traveler and Nefer, the hydro traveler was to make sure we could trigger lunarbloom so it IS logical
Other than this trailer, give at least one example of them not doing so.
"Attention to detail" is a pretty important thing in games you know. Like having a dragon character glide with his own wings instead of gliders.
Or characters having their own poses in character menu instead of using the same 3-4 poses for literally every character.
Oh we are talking about lore though right? How about the fact that the character you play is completely different in world quests and archon quests? Either I'm playing two different travelers or traveler is suffering from a serious case of multiple personality disorder.
But of course, Hoyo always pays attention to detail right?
Samsara crackpot theory: Lumine was just like us before, travelling with Paimon, and Aether was the Abyss Twin. They found HP and he rewound time, making Aether go through the same journey instead to make him realise his mistake.
Samsara is not a loop.
new element
Not a trailer but at least they did use Lumine as the traveler in the latest Web Event (and I probably wouldn't have bothered downloading the wallpaper otherwise tbh).
The web events seem to be the only times left where they care to do 2 versions.
iirc they had also already stopped doing Lumine versions with the birthday chibi art before they stopped doing those entirely.
Really wish they did like wuwa did and let both MC’s have a chance to shine in the promotional material.
Edit: everyone has replied with the same point about the MC’s. I get it lol, I already said “fair enough” and I agree within first hour of the post being up.
It would still be nice to see Lumine in my event art. my launcher. Give me a toggle for it in the settings. Let me see her in game, if not the promotional material.
Ikr I also like how smooth the transition is from male to female mc
Same, they genuinely do a great job making both characters feel loved and included. It’s always very well done.
Care to elaborate? It sounds so interesting
Basically during cutscenes, when the camera pans behind some other object, male rover switches to female and vice versa.
They use a lot of cool transitions to make the change seemless but this is a more common technique
That’s incredible. The MC is basically a gender fluid canonically.
no, they just want whatever version of the mc you pick to have their time to shine in the trailers, there is no gender switching in the games story or lore at all, its just a quality of life feature ingame that you can switch freely at anytime (with a 24 hours cooldown before you can switch again)
There are several promotional arts that show them both at the same time, it's two different people filling the same role in the story.
I wouldnt say they are different people, same person different gender. Like stelle/caelus
That example has them even farther apart because they have different names, it's referring to two people. Again, Stelle and Caelus play the role of the same person, but Stelle is Stelle and Caelus is Caelus. Stelle can't be Caelus, their identity only overlaps as "Trailblazer"
Buddy they are the same person, like V from cyberpunk is the same person, the game just lets u pick the gender. Wise and Belle are two different people that play the same role as protagonist.
V from Cyberpunk could just go to a ripperdoc and completely change their body, that's precisely why I'm making this distinction because Caelus can't do that. He isn't Stelle, he never becomes Stelle, he just plays the same role in the story.
No
You can watch them on YT on their official channel, it’s like both mcs coexist within one individual and they make the switch between them happen smoothly
Well the problem here is that both MCs exist together in the same world and fulfill two very distinct roles, so they make the Male MC as Traveler and the Female MC as the Abyss Sibling so whenever you see Lumine in trailers you know it's the Abyss one.
That of course doesn't excuse the fact that they sometimes forget to put Lumine in-game event art.
Fair enough, that’s an important distinction. Attempting to show Lumine/Aether as both the protagonist and antagonist would be confusing.
I wanna see my girl tho😔
i mean they don't show her as an antagonist either except for that one version illustration so...
They do show her in the trailers everytime the abyss order becomes relevant and she appears in the story. But that isnt a lot, so yea, you often won't see her
Even without a trailer they should show Lumine when it comes to at least the event illustration in your game..In WuWa's event illustration where they only feature one Rover it shows the Rover you are using and when you switch to a different gender the rover on the event illustration also change..
There are so many ways around this. Show her with Paimon and whichever nation’s elemental resonance and people will figure it out.
I just want to see my girl. I’m pretty sure more people still play her as the traveler anyway. It had been slightly over 50% for Lumine for a long time, at least.
Way more than 50%. In the recent saurian dance event, you could see which Traveler your teammates had. I played this event quite a lot, and it was very noticeable that there were far more Lumines than Aethers.
Hey, I just want to point out that Wuwa’s MC, male and female, are the same people. So they cant simultaneously exist
Aether and lumine are siblings, they are different people, and they can only exist as 2 separate people
Well though I am a lumine main too,our mcs are not like wuwa mc's. They are not default just genders or they could have done like wise and belle in zzz and hsr with their mcs they had been doing wuwa thing before than wuwa its just for genshin 1 they are siblings and not just gender swaps plus they have to portray one side as antagonistic and one as hero so of they keep on switching it will create confusion for new people, now pls stop saying how wuwa do stuff for which hoyo had been doing way before wuwa existed.
No offense dude but please learn punctuation.
Also, comparing the two games is good. Competition is good. Discussion is good. I want Genshin to be the absolute best it can be, because I love it. Discussion like this is what helps the game grow.
But it already had what u said way before competition so yeah I never stopped u from saying comparison is bad but do in stuff which hoyo doesn't do not in what they already do way before wuwa.
But this particular comparison is stupid. It's not like QoL, or gacha rate, or whatever.
Wuwa is gender selection like HSR or FGO, Genshin is protagonist/antagonist.
But this just doesn't work in Genshin and it has nothing to do with competition, wdym?
The competition comment was in reference to “now pls stop saying how wuwa do stuff for which hoyo had been doing way before wuwa existed.”
I interpreted it to mean: don’t compare the two games.
Comparison and discussion is natural between competing games, so I mentioned the fact that they are competitors to emphasize that discussions like this are going to happen. It’s an inevitability. Thus, asking for them not to be compared is silly.
His English, grammar, and punctuation make it incredibly hard to decipher.
I meant that there can't be a promo competition when all other examples have only 1 of 2 characters exist in game universe at a time. While Genshin (and ZZZ the same) have 2 different characters having 2 distinctly different roles in story and able to be present simultaneously. So, it's silly for Genshin promotions to do stuff that, for example, Wuwa does with their interchangeable MCs (switching mid trailer or something? Never seen them).
Yes, I agree with that. I agreed with it when another person commented it like an hour after my comment. I updated my first post to reflect that now.
Yeah, wuwa switches them mid-trailer, it’s honestly really clean. They do a good job.
I mentioned exclusively the competition, comparison, etc. in my reply to you and the guy above because it was the only new thing being added to the discussion. I already conceded to the other point earlier, so talking about it again isn’t productive.
Sorry if I come off as hostile, that’s not my intention. Hope you have a great day🙂
Hoyo follow their lore seriously. In HSR you see both MC and genshin only Aether. This is cause Aether and Lumine is different while Caelus and Stelle not so much different
But aren’t Lumine and Aether interchangeable. Their stories are the same as the MC or when they become the abyssal Prince/Princess. It’s like in Pokémon when you choose male or female protagonist and the other becomes your rival.
I think what they were saying is that Caelus and Stelle don't both exist in HSR, it's one or the other, so whenever you see them in trailers you know it's the MC. Aether and Lumine are both actual characters though, so for continuity's sake it makes sense from Hoyo's perspective to designate one as the Traveler and one as the Abyss sibling for simplicity's sake.
but they do now, it seems. the main story had the other trailblazer appear and speak to the one you picked.
Like the other person said it’s solely to keep their narrative strong/consistent , this trailer was pre their importance on it. And their story heavily involves these two/ as separate characters. Unlike Wuwa as they’re the same person/doesn’t matter.
Well yes, this particular trailer was the sole reason why Lumine is never included in trailers.
Cause afaik, this caused a lot, I mean A LOT of confusion in the community, how is Abyss sibling with Paimon, why is her element white, which ofc was a dev error, but that can't stop people from theorizing all sorts of things. In fact, I still see people use this trailer, in their theories, like how this is a reference to samsara, other theories like, lumine and aether are just stuck in alternate loops, etc etc.
Not to forget it was the early days of Genshin, so more prone to confusion and outrage. So, to avoid confusion they completely removed Lumine from their future promotions.
Ig this is what happens if you keep both the characters in different imp roles, in a gacha character with a gacha community. But yes, she really deserves her own artworks at least in game. Like why tf does my event banner have Aether in it when I have lumine as MC.
(Funny enough, all this chaos could have been avoided if Lumine didn't have white element in the trailer, I hope so)
Curse you community from robbing us of more Lumine trailers!
We don't need to cater to the dumbest of us and make a worse product for everyone.
We also have people massively missing out on the free constellationss or failing to read the big bold letters saying Durin needs 5 real days.
Its wild since it would take so little work to have a Lumine version of every event banner at least, since you just know every character in those images is a layer that can be swapped in and out.
They can't even bother switching one of the Aether icons into a Lumine, which is an existing asset.
But I'll keep nagging to them about it in the surveys anyways.
I’m deeply disappointed my favorite female character I’ve been running with since the beginning is mostly sidelined she deserves more love she’ll always be number one in my heart I can’t believe we haven’t seen her for this long in trailers come on hoyoverse don’t forget about lumine she’s important too
She’s the Abyss Princess for them, since this for 5 years they’ve clearly put the emphasis for their trailers/lore wise that they picked Aether. You’ll see her in web event which sometimes depends on the twin you pick. And Anniversary arts/trailers nom canon which celebrates the two reuniting. That’s how they’re gonna do it to the end with how much they dedicate to the importance of lore.
I'd probably watch most of the trailers if Lumine was in them.
I would actually watch trailers/pay attention to promotional material if Lumine was featured as the Traveler more.
As it stands I just can't watch trailers for new versions which sucks, I tried believe me but I couldn't stand it everytime I saw Aether as the Traveler because it just felt wrong to me.
This in turn makes it harder to get hyped about new things before they hit the game and I can see Lumine doing it.
Literally what I got downvoted for saying.
Notice how Lumine has her original powers
they were still going on "both Travelers are canon" that time.. good old times, a bygone time in the past
No. This was very early days before they stuck with keeping the importance of lore. They decided to just choose one as the primary and one as the Abyss Sibling. It’s very consistent for years after this and only during non canon stuff to the lore will it feature the two e.g web events/anniversary’s.
I guess coz the Abyss Sibling weren't around that time... So they have to pick, and they go on male MC route as usual...
The only reason Star Rail still able to hold the "both are canon MC" is because the unchosen MC didn't go anywhere at all yet, but once the unchosen MC got revealed to be a separate character, i bet they'll go with Caelus as canon MC
soon for snezhnaya surely...
And there are people in this fandom who take a part in olympics trying to explain it's good
In Britain too
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U realize its a coincidence, not the reason
Someone was fired that day.
Every time I unlock a new tutorial and Aether is the one demonstrating it, I hate that I started genshin during an era of my life where I still related to fem characters more than masc one (im transmasc) like I get why we cant change which twin we picked since in game pictures (like hangout memories) could get messy (although i mean they each have a version but switching them would prob be a hassle), but atleast give me the one I picked in the tuts and not the one I wanted </3
In a game where both MC have a distinct role, is logica that they decided to represent them clearly, when you see Aether and Lumine on a trailer YOU KNOW wich one is the abyss twin
You’re getting downvoted for what lmao , it’s obvious this is what they did. They love their lore and this was early days before they finalised what they wanted to do, so making seperate roles for official Promos is the way to go , especially for Genshin’s main lore as it concerns the 2 of them. Switching the 2 breaks that narrative.
Hoyo now: Who tf is Lumine? The Abyss Princess?
I hope they never do this again.
well Lumine as MC is not canon so...
She is.
There is no canon evil mc whoever you choose is good other is bad promotional material just uses Lumine to avoid confusion
Booooo
Why did I laugh at this comment 😂
There are some trailers/teasers when there is both twin no ?
And I'm not speaking about prince/ss and traveller, but about both of them being traveller, trying to showcase them both as mc
Not that I remember but the Liyue wallpaper had both I think.
Ehh she looks better as a villain anyway.
Good
Lumine Mains truly still crying about this huh?? Hate to break this for you, but Genshin devs will never use Lumine for Promotional Videos, and im happy they are doing this lol, Hsr mostly use Stelle (and somehow no one complain about that).
If y’all don’t like it then just don’t watch the Videos, or just make yours (like you always do lmao)
Pls get a life
wtf is wrong w u
What you on about, HSR alternates between Caelus and Stelle pretty evenly.
not all aether mains but always an aether main
also hsr alternates all the time. also also in the 1.x days caelus mains were acting like he was getting shafted as hard as lumine was and still is. people did complain about stelle having a decent amount of relevance in the marketing
of course wuwa fans willl jump in every complain related post
Dudes are just better fighters
bruh 🙄
Ironic considering Lumine had higher motion values when the game released, plus quicker animations.
Not sure if that’s still the case after alhaitham and skirks gave the traveler buffs.
I only want girls in my game to bounce their tits and that's it! No woke fighting shit! 😤😤😤
Yeah you sound like that
The only one making that inference is you my guy.
It’s also super misogynistic to imply that just because men have an undeniable and obvious advantage in activities that require physical strength, women are only left with their sex appeal to provide value.
Do better.
the game is fictional dude
sure maybe in real life men have higher muscle mass than women, but that's irl. last I checked, genshin didn't follow irl physics and stuff. unless people are out here freezing massive waves with magic ice manipulation powers and stuff, idk
Do you get this mad about everything?
Men are just better suited for combat than women. That doesn’t make them any less valuable; YOU are the one making that implication, and frankly it’s kind of gross.
Additionally, your comment implies that women are just men with boobs which strips away what makes women unique and special. God damn bro. Trying so hard to get your internet virtue points that you end up being super sexist. Crazy.
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I never implied women are useless. take your meds
and yes, IN REAL LIFE, men have more muscle mass and stuff, which does make them better suited for combat. we're talking about A GAME rn tho. a FICTIONAL world. with things that don't happen irl. I don't think it's unreasonable to ignore real life in things like this. irl men having more muscle mass than irl women doesn't mean shit when we're playing a game where people actively use magic. 99% of all combat in this world uses magic, anyways. muscle mass doesn't matter when you'll just end up fireballing your enemy. and even without that, nothing implies that teyvat's men have higher muscle mass than teyvat's women
again, I didn't imply any of that? pretty concerning that that's what you read tbh. something something projection
I didn’t say this. You did.
I never said women can’t be fighters.
I never said women shouldn’t be fighters.
All I said was that men are better suited to the task. You come in and imply that if women aren’t as effective as men in combat then all they are is a bouncing set of tits.
It’s so funny you’re saying I’m projecting when you are literally shadow boxing with your own argument.
I’m glad you agree with me though.
wrong person? I never brought tits up
Well fuck me. Sorry!
I’m glad you agree with me though.
Weird, in game, some of the best fighters are females
That’s like…your opinion, man
I'm talking in genshin bro :/
Cool story, bro
Even though I like Lumine more, design-wise, I still find Aether cooler in action trailers/cutscenes that involve fights, etc...
Especially cus his English Va is tanjiro
Biological and factually correct. People in the reply argues like gacha representations based on sales change biology.
Even “some” female personalities and mindsets are male coded ones (like some characteristics that get influenced by hormones) in most games not even just gacha. “Some” female characters are basically men in hot women bodies. You just have to accept it or be delusional about it.
So women can't be muscular or strong wtf are you trying to say?
Don’t you understand the meaning of the word “some”, I literally highlighted?
And there are things called averages and when you talk about groups you usually talk about them as a whole.
And as a whole men are stronger and possibly (based on historical and current world data) better fighters.
You are like if someone says “Americans are richer than Indians” (which you can just see by using GDP per capita) and you say “So Indian can’t be rich? Wtf? What about Ambani?”
See it’s not the point.
Biology stops mattering when characters strengths come from a magical gem instead of muscles and multiple characters aren't even human or are affected by super natural shit like what ever the hell happened to Shenhe. Genshin does not follow real world logic at all, even things like the climate aren't even remotely similar to the real world.
Even in game only like what? 0.1% characters canonically as a vision. Same goes for supernatural beings (not humans to begin with). So even if a vision completely changes one’s anatomy (it doesn’t, it’s more of an external strength booster and power source, your biology remains more or less the same), it will only apply to a very few percentage of people, others are more or less like real humans. You can literally see this in NPC fighters like armies, enemies. Way more than half of them are male just like in real world. (Obviously there are female fighters but as I said in my initial reply, we are talking about averages)
This just goes to show how much you pay attention. Just because something is fictional and has supernatural elements doesn’t mean it has nothing to do with reality. Guess what no human or humans can create a fictional that is entirely different from reality.
I explained this in another comment, visions act more like an answer to the disparity between female NPCs and female playable characters, where NPCs follow real world logic while playable characters don’t. Having a vision is a lore accurate reason to justify how every single playable female is strong and can fight, same goes to playable men. Not every man is strong and can fight either.
I will post that comment here, because this is basically the same argument.
“Biology literally is there in the game. Just because something is fictional it doesn’t automatically means “everything” is completely different. It’s literally impossible human to create a fiction like that even if they tried.
Muscle mass, bone structures, other biological processes like eating, breathing everything exist in the game and most of it are same as the real world. There are huge number of references to things like muscles, training, exercising and facts that can be literally used in real life.
And males and females look the same as in the real world. And their muscle masses have same differences like in the real world. So it’s “safe to assume” real world biological realities applies to them. NPCs usually support this fact.
Go and check armies of most nations. There are literally more men than women same as real life. You argue about a game while failing to pay even most basic attention to the things that matter in this argument about fighters like, you know, fighters.
Unless it’s specified like gaining a vision, which increases your strength. And based on different vision holders having different strength levels it is not a set amount, but more like a multiplication of your actual base strength. (Most likely guess based on available information). (So almost every female playable character’s ability to fight are justified because they already have a strength booster.)
Where did I say anything about singular mindset? I said “some” specific personalities “used in games” are male-coded. There are many different female personalities, but the point is most developers use male personalities on female characters.
(And since we are pulling assumptions about each other out of thin air based on “comments” like professional psychologists, instead of sticking to the actual argument. Based on your comment I don’t expect you to understand any of this, because I doubt you can even pay attention (didn’t notice genders of soldiers)).”
It's much more likely that there's more men in armies ( except for Mondstadt) due to habit since that's how it is in real life. You're trying to act like a game cares about biology and muscle mass when characters like Keqing was killing monsters much bigger than her without a vision with a damn hairpin meanwhile most other characters cant even do that with a vision. Noelle also uses her vision to strengthen her weapon so she can actually use it without breaking, not her self. The game constantly just makes shit up.
Don’t you understand the concept of averages and outliers? even after I explained it multiple times and even gave you an analogy using American and Indians, and an outlier like Ambani.
You literally circles back to vision holders, which I said have lore explained strength boosters, and once in a lifetime anomalies like Noelle and Shenhe.
Are you really incapable of grasping averages and when you talk about a group you don’t make a point by using 1 or 2 people, even the top 1%? There is something called a bell curve.
I mean in real life top 1% strongest female can beat probably like 95% of men, (or something like that, don’t know the exact stats but top 1% females are clearly stronger than an average man), you don’t need magic or vision to do that, it is true even in real life. Like professional female fighter can beat an average man. I didn’t say any man > every single female in strength. You aren’t even understanding the point.
We are literally talking about two large groups, while you always go back to use top 1% (actually it’s more like top 0.1% with magic on top) as examples. Literally can’t tell whether you are joking or incapable of understanding how to analyze large groups.
“Genshin does not follow real world logic at all”, you literally said this, so it doesn’t follow real world logic when it doesn’t support you idea like biology, muscle mass and anatomy, (which has in game examples like doctors, regular illnesses, food, diets affecting bodies, you name it)
And when it has more men in armies, it’s just following the real life?
And guess what, there are more men in real life armies because this exact thing we are discussing, men are biological stronger and better fighters than men, so evolutionary starting from prehistoric times men was the ones doing the most fighting and protecting and evolved to do that. Your bias and opinions don’t change evolutionary facts. (And there are some animals where females are stronger and better fighters, but not in humans)
And yes game does care about biology and reality like every other fiction, because that’s the default mode in basically every fiction. Unless you have a specific reason like world building and lore to change something, it’s basically the same as real world, because no one can create a world out from scratch.
Like how do you think fictional worlds work? If you eat an apple in a game, if you don’t get a notification saying “apple gets digested and provides nutrients to the body”, you have no idea what’s going to happen? Because it’s not real life? Otherwise they clearly mention it, it just follow the real life logics and rules. Not the other way around.
So when they add humans, they just add some extra stuff like elemental affinity on top, and keep the rest same as real world. If they are going to change everything, not only it makes it hard to understand, they won’t be able to tell the story at all, and there will be lot of issues because humans can’t create something that matches millions of years of biology just for a fiction. They just copy and paste real world and add their own twists. Not something Genshin invented, even some fantasies like DnD with even wilder stuff, still grounded in reality for basic things.
And yes, they don’t go plan all this and it’s not this deep. It’s just what human does “naturally”. They just copy the reality and edit it. And guess what most of the time they don’t edit the NPC (even playable) biology so it stays same as in the real world. They focus on the their defining features like elements and visions in Genshin for example, which co exist with biology, doesn’t invalidate it. There are many examples btw, how biology is still there same as the real world in “most” cases.
If it’s still not clear and hard to grasp,
Average male NPC/human > Average female NPC/human, in terms of strength. (No visions just like 99% (don’t know the exact number) of the Teyvat population)
Noelle/Shenhe are “outliers” biologically (and magically in Shenhe’s case) and they have artificial strength boosters on top. Other vision holders like Keqing also have these artificial strength boosters, and she is clearly a trained fighter with talent, even without it. And as I said a talented trained female fighter is better than an average man.
The thing is you can’t use a single person in a group as an example for the entire group. Use things like gender ratios in the army and enemies, historical records in game, etc.
Capitano can fights gods “without a vision” and said to be the “strongest human”, do I even count it as an achievement to “men” and use it to prove why men are stronger? No. Because you can’t just use absolute tops and outliers when comparing a large group. (Said this so many times, it’s weird how you still bring it up).
Those characters you mentioned are top 1% of females in terms of strength, actually more like top 0.1% or higher.
Them > Average male NPC/human (obviously)
Keqing wasn't using a vision, Noelle does not use her vision for strength. I also only used 2 examples cause I don't want to argue with a moron trying to act like it's by your own words "impossible" for real life biology to be excluded in fiction for an extended period of time. Spending this much time typing out your shit takes is just pure mental illness. Women in real life are weaker on average, in fiction nothing matters period. Do your self a favour, delete reddit and social media and go do something productive. Also I took a look at the armies you keep talking about, Natlan, Snezhnaya and Mondstadt are pretty close to evenly split, the Corp of 30 has tons of women and the Eremites have women everywhere as well. Meanwhile the Gardes are almost all female. It's only the 2 asian nations that is almost entirely male dominant.
I added some stuff I didn’t before, because it’s embarrassing that I need to handhold every single detail to make a point or you guys latch on to something entirely unrelated.
I literally said Noelle is an outlier and Keqing is a trained martial artist with talent. Both are outliers. Top 0.1% or higher.
I never said Genshin is real life 1:1. There are fictional characters with fictional feats.
That doesn’t change the fact real world biology exists and vast majority of people in that world (who are NPCs) have no such feats and basically 1:1 with real life humans and their biology.
Even in real life there are crazy outliers like Mike Tyson, Usain Bolt, etc. Who can do things no average human can. And in fiction there is going to characters who are like that by birth too. And obviously exaggerated.
And you literally admitted they used real world army ratios because of real world habit. That’s literally using real world logic in fiction because that’s what every fiction does for things they don’t need to focus on directly.
And that gender ratios of fighers in real world exist for a reason. And otherwise it’s mentioned “nah, all these nations have 70-90% male soldiers because why not”, it follows the same reasoning as real world.
And Genshin aren’t even lazy about it. In Natlan where there is a shortage of manpower and a war going on, female fighters ratio is higher because they take whatever they can get. While Liyue which is probably the safest nation right now, vast majority of the military is men. You aren’t even paying attention to the game even, just focus on things that support you like a character story and ignore everything else as “just using real life habits” because it doesn’t support my opinion.
I don’t need to hear about your “opinions” about me and my life. It isn’t the argument now is it? I am talking about this thing because I want, for my own reasons. My life and my reasons are none of your business. Talk about the points of this argument or don’t, I only care about that in this tread, not your random “opinions” about me.
If you don’t have any logical arguments (you didn’t have much to begin with except constantly bringing up top 1% of a group to comparison between another group while completely ignoring 99% of that group and every other detail game has added like, you know, fighters and enemies), you can just say that or stop. I don’t need your advice or suggestions (personally I don’t think you are in a position to give anyone life advice anyway)
Yeah so… this is a fictional game. It’s funny how you bring up biology when “biologically” speaking, men aren’t able to yield elemental powers, but heaven forbid female characters know how to fight:)) “some female personalities and mindsets are male ones” yes, because women are a monolith with a singular mindset (not that I’m expecting you to know that, based on your comment I doubt you have much interaction with women irl)
Biology literally is there in the game. Just because something is fictional it doesn’t automatically means “everything” is completely different. It’s literally impossible human to create a fiction like that even if they tried.
Muscle mass, bone structures, other biological processes like eating, breathing everything exist in the game and most of it are same as the real world. There are huge number of references to things like muscles, training, exercising and facts that can be literally used in real life.
And males and females look the same as in the real world. And their muscle masses have same differences like in the real world. So it’s “safe to assume” real world biological realities applies to them. NPCs usually support this fact.
Go and check armies of most nations. There are literally more men than women same as real life. You argue about a game while failing to pay even most basic attention to the things that matter in this argument about fighters like, you know, fighters.
Unless it’s specified like gaining a vision, which increases your strength. And based on different vision holders having different strength levels it is not a set amount, but more like a multiplication of your actual base strength. (Most likely guess based on available information). (So almost every female playable character’s ability to fight are justified because they already have a strength booster.)
Where did I say anything about singular mindset? I said “some” specific personalities “used in games” are male-coded. There are many different female personalities, but the point is most developers use male personalities on female characters.
(And since we are pulling assumptions about each other out of thin air based on “comments” like professional psychologists, instead of sticking to the actual argument. Based on your comment I don’t expect you to understand any of this, because I doubt you can even pay attention (didn’t notice genders of soldiers)).
almost every male character’s ability to fight is also justified by the same strength booster. also, what kind of “male personalities” are you talking about? i cant think of one female character who had a “male” personality, and personality really isnt gendered, so that take is off. there are female npc warriors without visions just as there are male ones, its not like the only strong female characters have visions or gnosis, but i dont know why or how you think that way unless you really dont pay any attention to the game and assume this generically.
Point I tried to make with vision strength boost is the disparity between NPCs and playable character genders.
As I said “ majority” of the soldiers and most fighters in most nations and factions are male npcs. But playable characters where everyone can fight, have more females than males. Real reason is sales, it’s literally their main revenue so they don’t play around with it.
But that difference between female NPCs and playable characters and the question, why female NPCs follow real world logic (men are stronger and better fighters) while playable characters have same (actually higher) representation? Can be answered using visions. Because having a vision means even if you are below average (even kids) in actual strength, you will be at least be above average with a vision. (This is just an excuse (a lore accurate one), real reason is game developers use 2 different logic for NPCs and playable characters even though they are the same species. Reality for NPCs and profit for playable)
Personalities aren’t gendered, that’s true. But hormones and other factors influence personalities based on gender. It’s more of an average. This is actually scientific you can look it up. Like testosterone affects personalities and desires, etc. That doesn’t mean it completely changes or dictates a person. But each gender have some personality traits that one of them are more leaned.
Again this doesn’t mean a woman can’t have those traits, it’s just on average a man is more likely to have certain traits than a woman.
This is the funny thing about personality, you can’t point out which character is a male-coded one and which one is just a female outlier (which actually exists in real life). All you can do is notice that certain personality traits and mindsets that is more common on men are actually more common on women in fiction. Like extremely competitive ones, aggressive, fight or challenge obsessed, or even fighters and warriors. Women can be these things sure but men are more likely to, based on biology. But as I said you can’t exactly say which character is male-coded and which one is just an outlier female, you can just see the difference.
About I said this in another comment in this thread, that when you talk about large groups, you talk in averages. Obviously there are female NPC warriors, but go and check the ratio between male and female npc fighters. Which is very similar to the real world (a reason to believe even though this is fictional, lot of things are based on real life realities and facts. Like almost all fiction)
Here’s the comment I said the exact same thing when talking about large groups, it’s as if all you guys think the same way,
“Don’t you understand the meaning of the word “some”, I literally highlighted?
And there are things called averages and when you talk about groups you usually talk about them as a whole.
And as a whole men are stronger and possibly (based on historical and current world data) better fighters.
You are like if someone says “Americans are richer than Indians” (which you can just see by using GDP per capita) and you say “So Indian can’t be rich? Wtf? What about Ambani?”
See it’s not the point.”
It's for Lore.....trust me
The one trailer made me think she was the canon pick for MC cuz it was also the Switch trailer and now I'm stuck with Lumine
Look at her clothes, her element is white, meaning it's the abyss sibling because for now only the abyss sibling has the white light for her element
it was a dev mistake and isn’t meant to be noticed, otherwise there would’ve been no reason to include that.
Who knows genshin loves to put hidden lore everywhere