Thanks, I had an ADHD hyper focus episode last week and I decided to learn as much about AI as I could. I also put some of my own opinions in that comment as I’m sure you’ve figured out
How does data center chip demand actually affect consumer RAM prices? Aren’t those different supply chains and markets?
Lots of industries use water for cooling. What’s the actual impact, and is the issue that we’re not regulating it well enough?
On jobs. Hasn’t every major technology disrupted work such as agriculture mechanization and manufacturing automation? So is the real question whether AI creates new opportunities, or whether it just concentrates wealth without replacement paths? What would a good transition look like?
Regarding your comment on deepfakes and scams, totally real problems. But doesn’t that apply to most powerful tools? The internet enables scams too. So why is the answer to reject AI entirely instead of building better safeguards and regulation?
The “making people dumber” argument comes up with every new tool. Did calculators make us worse at math, or did they let us tackle harder problems? Did search engines make us dumber, or did they just change what knowledge means? What’s actually happening here - is the tool the problem, or is it how we choose to use it?
And the government corruption angle - what’s the actual evidence for that? Governments are slow to regulate new tech for lots of reasons. Is there something specific pointing to payoffs, or is this more of a vibe?
I guess my question is: what would a version of this critique look like that actually wrestles with tradeoffs instead of just listing grievances?
Yes, RAM prices are affected when AI companies buy up all the supply, whether they're a different market or not.
Data centers generally remove any nearby communities' ability to have consistent, clean drinking water for miles, because the water infrastructure isn't upgraded to account for them. So that's one way to quantify it.
On jobs - for most of the economy's history, as the S&P 500 grows in value, the amount of job openings increase. This has been a very direct coorelation, until chatGPT went live. Suddenly, basically overnight, job openings have been decreasing as the economy grows.
I would keep going, but at a certain point you should be researching counterpoints yourself.
Start by researching how pervasive lobbying is in the political process, and how large companies entirely fund most major politicians campaigns, expecting preferential legislation in exchange. That may explain why there's such a lack of regulation, and why these technologies almost always favor large elite interests
Technology is just a tool, not good or evil - but without proper regulation it can and will be used to favor elites at a time of already unprecedented wealth disparity.
Yeah that’s the issues currently. The hope is it gets good enough that the future benefit offsets all of these issues which if the actual potential benefits can play out all these are worth it 100 fold.
Do we need ai? No, but we also don’t need modern medicine. People lived for hundreds of thousands of years and made it to modern medicine, without it, so technically we don’t need it either. But yes, it’s going to help humans lives just as much.
Just google it, there are too many benefits coming from AI into just the medical field for me to paste one link. Sure, the data centers are hot but we fix issues as they arise, not halt innovation off the potential of one
incorrect and a massive hyperbole most data centers are also closed loop which means water MIGHT get put in once a year if that and is continuously recycled.
fair
Thats going to happen with any new tech, accept it. There will never be enough jobs. the entire concept of working to live is not sustainable. we have too many people and not enough to do. This happens any time tech gets better at anything your not special no one is.
Fair but so has every other form of art including just straight up makeup
That one is also not accurate at all. it may cause a decrease in use of certain skills if you just blindly never use those. But making you dumber? no thats not accurate at all.
Yes we do. Physically we are not able to keep up with the demand our bodies have been breaking constintely over the years for what amounts to pennies and a handful of items per turn. AI is rapidly accelerating science, health, and robotics amongst many other disciplines. The standard of living is going to go up due to this. Hell we have literal cancer cures/VACCINES being released NEXT YEAR that were made by ai and tested THOROUGHLY. Ai is very much a needed thing and has helped us already and will continue to do so.
Yes it needs regulations and we need to talk about that but thats not going to get done if you just stick your head in the sand and wait for things to get better. You need to learn. You need to engage in the debates from both sides of the argument. You need to get educated on the topic so you are both ready to use it if needed or can argue properly and with actual reach what should be done regarding it. Blind hate does nothing.
Do we need AI? Yes.
Do I love AI? Absolutely.
Is AI going to become a common thing despite all this turmoil? Yes.
Here's why I disagree with you:
When the internet and computers first appeared, it took lots of of space to store both ROM and RAMs. Now nobody is complaining about it anymore.
When the internet and computers appeared, people intentionally looked for ways to have their digital footprint and access unregulated, even in present day we just fought against a mass censorship.
The internet also took people's jobs.
The internet was/is also used to spread misinformation and propaganda.
The internet is also making people dumber.
Did we give up using the internet? No.
Technology took its course and evolved into what it is today, with the good and the bad. The same thing will happen to A.I.
it could be for various things. at the time, I was fresh from a job interview that asked about where I see the positives in their AI self driving tests, and I thought of accessibility. maybe for those who can't hold the steering wheel for long periods, or those who can't press the gas petal for long periods. self driving can help alleviate that.
now, it can be for people with visible and audible disabilities, people who need words/texts summarized, people who can't google.
people (like me) who can't write a whole story/picture, but can write ideas/prompts that AI can take into a essay/story/picture (and I can correct later). I don't think I'd have the skill to ever write or draw, but AI gives me the ability to express that idea.
I agree, tools can't be good or evil, but they can be used for good or evil.
Without proper regulation, AI can and will be used to further increase the divide between the ownership class and the labor class, at a time of already unprecedented wealth inequality.
Actually getting reasonable regulation seems unlikely, considering that Democracy is more and more compromised by elite interests every year, due to super PACs funding every politian's campaign, and then using lobbyists to guide their bought politicians towards writing legislation that favors their corporate interests.
In the arts, it’s killing organic creativity as well as stealing from artists whose work is being uploaded to create ai art.
In academics, students aren’t having to rely on themselves to work through problems and come up with theses. Students are using ai on assignments and then shitting the bed in exams.
For the world, it’s not great since the servers for ai are using energy and water for cooling. Bad stuff.
It's like anything, the internet, social media, etc. Just like those when it is used correctly it can be a great tool, the internet and social media allow me to keep up with friends and family across the globe. But then there are also plenty of bad actors who are going to exploit Ai and use it in a malevolent manner. So basically ehh. Everything Ai does is not the devil as some people like to act, but I don't think it will be some great boon for humanity without any drawback like others. As with almost anything looking at the two extremes of Ai internet discord, the actual reality is probably somewhere in the middle.
I personally don’t think AI will be the great replacement as far as jobs are concerned. It may make certain things obsolete but the actual usage of it I think will end up being limited. Even if it is an ever learning model, at a certain point they have already shown they are capable of deception/ manipulation and at that point they’ll have to be rolled back or replaced, both of which could prove to be troublesome and expensive for long term use. I avoid AI at this point, it’s not reliable for gathering factual data yet, but it is cooking the brains of (maybe) young gen z and gen alpha
I think its mostly being used in a destructive way. But when used properly it can be a powerful TOOL. tool. Not replacement. I do think the rich people are taking advantage of it tho in not good ways. Namely in invading communities with data centers. Straining utility grids and locally jacking up costs, while also eliminating jobs and/or not proving jobs at these data centers
The environmental impact sucks, and AI """artists""" are cringe asf. Pick up a damn pencil. Oh and as a PC guy, I feel like a gazillionaire having 64 GB of RAM rn lol.
But the tech behind it and the potential it has is pretty cool, and it is giving us a meme Renaissance. Shoutout to Bird Game 3 and the AI baby 💀
I think the whole fact generative AI is being called AI when it isn't even real AI is incredibly frustrating, for one. Secondly, fuck generative AI. It's a plague on how we communicate, how we express ourselves through art and music, and the already gross amount of misinformation out there. It's also fucking up our brains and lowering critical thinking skills. I've seen basically 0 upside.
Now real AI, in a controlled setting, heavily regulated and used by AI engineers and scientists only; completely different scenario.
It can be used as a tool (for example I use AI to help me create my references list). But I hate how it’s implemented almost everywhere. I hate seeing these ads which tells you things like “wOw, LoOk aT ThIs vErY EpIc aI ToOl. YoU CaN UsE It tO CrEaTe pRoFeSsIoNaL LoOkInG MoViEs iN 0.000000001 SeCoNdS.” It’s just slowly killing creativity at this point.
Can be a great tool, I am a software engineer and use AI for repeated and simple tasks I would have previously used stackoverflow for, but AI is better as it can understand context. Saves me a lot of time and let's me actually focus on the important stuff.
I like it but mainly because it helps me at work as I am in IT lmao. I ask it to craft me an email, create a script etc it just makes shit easier. I look at it as a supercharged version of Google.
I think the conversation around it is largely clouded with a lot of strong emotions which distort judgement and lead to echo chambers.
I think we need to have a serious conversation about a lot of the aspects of AI, and most people I've seen weigh in on it would rather bring their own talking points and berate anyone who disagrees.
This goes for both for and against it, and if you think I'm targeting one side, I am going out of my way to tell you that I'm not.
It’s meh. It’s good at middling tasks but sucks at more complex tasks. For instance: it’s really good at boilerplate code but it sucks at more complex code.
You also shouldn’t trust anything it produces. It doesn’t know anything. It isn’t thinking and it doesn’t have thought. It’s good a mimicking things with thought but it isn’t intelligent.
It has some uses. Search engine AI is perfectly fine. Generative AI needs the biggest ban hammer imaginable or we will actually see societal collapse.
Its getting to a point where even non boomers are struggling to tell a difference. Politicians (including the president) are already spamming it over their social media and making videos of political opponents saying something they never did.
In the near future its possible that video evidence won't even be permissible in a court case.
It's an interesting tool. Like every tool in human history, it'll solve some problems and create new ones. Some people will use it for good things and some people will use it for dubious purposes. It'll probably revolutionize society in due time, but not bring about some magic utopia or anything like that. It will just change how we do a lot of everyday things.
You probably mean the widely available LLMs. They amount to a fun toy, and that's it. They enshittify whatever service they're being applied to, and investors and major corporations are idiots for gambling our entire economy on that particular technological dead end.
The machine learning stuff institutions are using for fighter jets and materials research is more promising.
Could be okay if managed and implemented in a sensible and effective way that doesn’t exploit anyone or cause major negative repercussions for society. Unfortunately that is not the reality
I think presently, overall, it’s bad for society right now. That does not mean AI is bad in principle. I don’t go out of my way to use it outside of AI-influenced algorithms and the like, but that’s more of a passive use built into the system.
I like AI. It will probably do wonders for productivity.
There are already models in the works that are multitudes more efficient than the stuff in use today, as far as resource/environmental impact, and I think it will create more jobs than it replaces. I know a lot of people worry about deepfakes and crap but I think that paradoxically, the AI revolution may be what brings us back to a healthy level of skepticism for what we see online for this reason.
Education will adapt around it. More in-person activities and discussion, which is probably better for learning anyway. Maybe more homework done in controlled environments where it can't be used.
It has useful applications and it does certain things well. Depends on which models you’re using and what you’re trying to do with it. AI is not new technology.
AI: a fuzz word that has no real meaning that triggers people "my fridge has AI"
LLM: shiny calculator that appears to be alive
Image generators: only useful for making memes or fake news.
Video generators: same as image generators
It’s great but the next generation is fucked. We’re fucked some too. Gosh, Idfk why people let young kids do homeschool at all. Really seems handy bc some school are violent or far away ig. Just ik people who don’t deal with that and still choose homeschool. Just whatever. Ig we’re smarter but poorer than the last generations. Idk something might’ve said we’re dumber to. I’d have to check the internets stats on that again. Whatever.
It really depends on how its used. As far as being used in the arts there is a really fine line.
Its not something you should charge for. However, if you want to use it for fun and to just laugh about - go ahead as long as its free and just among friends. I’ve seen people use it to have an image of the character they’re playing for D&D. Thats fine. Its free and its staying among friends. You can look at it and go “that’s cool” and move on. That’s about as deep as ai “art” should go. I see it more as some silly toy than real art.
I was planning on becoming a machine learning specialist from like 2015 onwards until covid flipped my life on its head, neural networks to me seemed INCREDIBLY useful if they could be made to work. Before AI became a thing I imagined it to mainly be used to solve specific physical problems. Like, heres a cad environment, heres what the object you make needs to accomplish, here are the restrictions, now go wild. I was always impressed by early neural networks ability to play video games extremely efficiently, often finding solutions humans would never be able to find. I thought if this process was used to say- design an engine or something we could really push the advancement of physical technology, faster and more creatively then it ever had before. This style of ai works by starting with a blank slate and learning by extreme amounts of repetition and reward/punishment cycles.
Now, all ai researchers are working on data fed models to steal art and music. Its really depressing.
Useful as a tool, detriment as a one-stop shop solution.
AI can be good for medical imagery, satellite imagery, or summarization for very long-tailed context scenarios. However, AI can make mistakes and can be pretty confident about its result until you tell it it's wrong. That's why I believe that AI should be used in tandem with actual humans for verification. In other words, "trust, but verify". Because of this need for humans-in-the-loop, you can't easily implement it as a solution, look the other way, and hope all is good. The AI will make mistakes, and it will be up to a human to fix it. If you need a human to fix an AI's mistake, it defeats the purpose of AI's role for automation, depending on your view on automation. The paper "Ironies of Automation" by Lisanne Brainbridges paints a more in-depth discussion about it and it holds true today despite being published in 1983. Despite this view, AI is still pretty useful for small and mundane tasks. For example, if there's a flood of political news happening left and right and that requires some context about why this political news is happening in the first place, AI is helpful to summarize keypoints so that I am aware of the conversation that's happening. Another example is if I need a concise step-by-step understanding on how a certain feature works on an app, asking Gemini can help me understand quickly. Of course, the AI will make mistakes, so I will have to verify what it is saying is true. But at the end of the day, I didn't have to scour several subreddits, forums, or websites. I had AI get me in the right step in 2 seconds.
On the topic of education, I believe AI should be treated like how calculators are treated in middle school.
Back when I was in middle schools, I distinctly remembered my teachers saying that using calculators was "bad" and it didn't provide any usefulness. But as time went on and I kept moving up each grade, we inevitably used calculators. It would be insanely difficult to do stoichiometry without it. But the reason why my middle school teachers said we shouldn't be using it at that stage of my middle school education was because they wanted us to learn how the basic PEMDAS worked. If we solely relied on the calculator on doing our homework, we wouldn't be able to do basic arithmetic.
From what I shared above, I am trying to say that "Everyone must learn the basics first before using technology or else everyone is going to rely on technology so much that without it, they won't be able to do the basics in the first place". Of course, technology allows us to accelerate our work and make things more efficient. But if you don't learn the basics behind the task you need to do and use AI to do it, you are essentially running blind. Even worse, if you very much rely on AI to do things, it's like the blind leading the blind.
Now, I've given two schools of thought here. Try to make a connection between the two and see how we can make a sort of "oroboros" on AI reliance.
I don’t think Ai should be used, but I don’t think companies care about what we think too much lol. Ai seems like it’s just gonna continue developing and gaining widespread traction. I think rules and regulations should be implemented 100% though for practical things. But for creative works like movies and games, I think no.
generative AI is horrible. shouldn’t be used
anything that seems automized
there are AI tools i like, like background removers in photos or graphics, AI Upscaling such
in Audio the seperation of instrumental and voice also voice and noise, which can be hard for a human to do: isolating is imperfect usually, you cut off a lot or to little. lalal.ai just brought out Andromeda as example.
for videos i like upscaling too, better video quality maybe. or like changing 12 ffps to like 60 fps if desired.
as a tool, not as something to take the fun work from you aka. generating pictures, videos or music
It’s going to crash the economy because they’re funneling billions into something that can’t actually produce anything. There’s a reason they’re pushing so hard to de-regulate anything about AI and keep it from being regulated. It’s a corpse they’re trying to use to prop up the economy and it’s failing. BAD.
It’s actively leading to suicides across the US.
People are going into psychosis from forming parasocial and imaginary relationships with LLM’s.
It’s decimating the consumer AND business market from computer components skyrocketing.
It’s actively making children less intelligent and capable
We have lost billions of dollars, thousands of jobs and had so much outsourced and stolen for what is essentially a shitty google that gives you the answer from a picture. It’s fucking abhorrent.
Instead of actual research or potentially life saving break throughs it’s being used to use your dead grandma hit the griddy with LeBron in a Disney movie.
I hope Sam Altman and any other of the main LLM leaders gets buried under copyright infringement or tax fraud and rots in prison for what he’s unleashed
Because it was Pandora’s Jar, and that lid may not go back on
I HATE IT! Even Google AI. If you check its sources, a lot of the time it’s Reddit, even if it states in its overview other sources. It also loves to give incorrect answers.
Remember: AI only knows what it has been fed. If it has been fed incorrect information, then that is the information it will give.
I don’t believe that it will destroy life on earth. However, some parts of AI is good, other parts are not. We have to be careful with young kids using chatbots before they get out of hand!
As a creative I absolutely hate it basically zero effort and no love or individuality
As a nature lover I absolutely hate it bad for the environment as much as I hate cars I have had come to terms with that bridge that is a must in today’s society but ai (is it really) destroy nature in a worse way
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I’m very much against it. Here’s why:
It’s causing a massive RAM shortage in the consumer market, which is driving prices up.
The data centres basically drain rivers to keep the servers cool (they’re water cooled.)
Governments refuse to regulate AI because they’re pretty much living in these CEOs pockets.
It’s taking people’s jobs.
It’s being used by people to generate deepfakes/ scam people.
It’s making people dumber.
Programmes like CoPilot are useless bloatware used by lazy people.
I’d like to ask yous a question: do we actually need AI?
I agree
Holy cow thats a really good answer
Thanks, I had an ADHD hyper focus episode last week and I decided to learn as much about AI as I could. I also put some of my own opinions in that comment as I’m sure you’ve figured out
Adhd too? Bro, twin!!!
Hell yeah! Are you a fellow 06 kid? Because if that’s the case, then you’re really cool
Hell yeah i am, hell im about to turn 19 soon
NO WAY!!! Happy early birthday!!
How does data center chip demand actually affect consumer RAM prices? Aren’t those different supply chains and markets?
Lots of industries use water for cooling. What’s the actual impact, and is the issue that we’re not regulating it well enough?
On jobs. Hasn’t every major technology disrupted work such as agriculture mechanization and manufacturing automation? So is the real question whether AI creates new opportunities, or whether it just concentrates wealth without replacement paths? What would a good transition look like?
Regarding your comment on deepfakes and scams, totally real problems. But doesn’t that apply to most powerful tools? The internet enables scams too. So why is the answer to reject AI entirely instead of building better safeguards and regulation?
The “making people dumber” argument comes up with every new tool. Did calculators make us worse at math, or did they let us tackle harder problems? Did search engines make us dumber, or did they just change what knowledge means? What’s actually happening here - is the tool the problem, or is it how we choose to use it?
And the government corruption angle - what’s the actual evidence for that? Governments are slow to regulate new tech for lots of reasons. Is there something specific pointing to payoffs, or is this more of a vibe?
I guess my question is: what would a version of this critique look like that actually wrestles with tradeoffs instead of just listing grievances?
Yes, RAM prices are affected when AI companies buy up all the supply, whether they're a different market or not.
Data centers generally remove any nearby communities' ability to have consistent, clean drinking water for miles, because the water infrastructure isn't upgraded to account for them. So that's one way to quantify it.
On jobs - for most of the economy's history, as the S&P 500 grows in value, the amount of job openings increase. This has been a very direct coorelation, until chatGPT went live. Suddenly, basically overnight, job openings have been decreasing as the economy grows.
I would keep going, but at a certain point you should be researching counterpoints yourself.
Start by researching how pervasive lobbying is in the political process, and how large companies entirely fund most major politicians campaigns, expecting preferential legislation in exchange. That may explain why there's such a lack of regulation, and why these technologies almost always favor large elite interests
Technology is just a tool, not good or evil - but without proper regulation it can and will be used to favor elites at a time of already unprecedented wealth disparity.
Yeah that’s the issues currently. The hope is it gets good enough that the future benefit offsets all of these issues which if the actual potential benefits can play out all these are worth it 100 fold.
Most of this is opinion.
Do we need ai? No, but we also don’t need modern medicine. People lived for hundreds of thousands of years and made it to modern medicine, without it, so technically we don’t need it either. But yes, it’s going to help humans lives just as much.
Just google it, there are too many benefits coming from AI into just the medical field for me to paste one link. Sure, the data centers are hot but we fix issues as they arise, not halt innovation off the potential of one
in order:
fair
incorrect and a massive hyperbole most data centers are also closed loop which means water MIGHT get put in once a year if that and is continuously recycled.
fair
Thats going to happen with any new tech, accept it. There will never be enough jobs. the entire concept of working to live is not sustainable. we have too many people and not enough to do. This happens any time tech gets better at anything your not special no one is.
Fair but so has every other form of art including just straight up makeup
That one is also not accurate at all. it may cause a decrease in use of certain skills if you just blindly never use those. But making you dumber? no thats not accurate at all.
Yes we do. Physically we are not able to keep up with the demand our bodies have been breaking constintely over the years for what amounts to pennies and a handful of items per turn. AI is rapidly accelerating science, health, and robotics amongst many other disciplines. The standard of living is going to go up due to this. Hell we have literal cancer cures/VACCINES being released NEXT YEAR that were made by ai and tested THOROUGHLY. Ai is very much a needed thing and has helped us already and will continue to do so.
Yes it needs regulations and we need to talk about that but thats not going to get done if you just stick your head in the sand and wait for things to get better. You need to learn. You need to engage in the debates from both sides of the argument. You need to get educated on the topic so you are both ready to use it if needed or can argue properly and with actual reach what should be done regarding it. Blind hate does nothing.
Do we need AI? Yes. Do I love AI? Absolutely. Is AI going to become a common thing despite all this turmoil? Yes.
Here's why I disagree with you:
When the internet and computers first appeared, it took lots of of space to store both ROM and RAMs. Now nobody is complaining about it anymore.
When the internet and computers appeared, people intentionally looked for ways to have their digital footprint and access unregulated, even in present day we just fought against a mass censorship.
The internet also took people's jobs.
The internet was/is also used to spread misinformation and propaganda.
The internet is also making people dumber.
Did we give up using the internet? No.
Technology took its course and evolved into what it is today, with the good and the bad. The same thing will happen to A.I.
it's a tool, just like a pencil, computers, phones, and guns.
it can be helpful for those who need it or those with disabilities, but it can also be harmful when not used for its intended purpose.
Facts
Agreed. It can go both ways.
Can you explain the disability part? Do you mean learning disabilities?
it could be for various things. at the time, I was fresh from a job interview that asked about where I see the positives in their AI self driving tests, and I thought of accessibility. maybe for those who can't hold the steering wheel for long periods, or those who can't press the gas petal for long periods. self driving can help alleviate that.
now, it can be for people with visible and audible disabilities, people who need words/texts summarized, people who can't google.
people (like me) who can't write a whole story/picture, but can write ideas/prompts that AI can take into a essay/story/picture (and I can correct later). I don't think I'd have the skill to ever write or draw, but AI gives me the ability to express that idea.
I agree, tools can't be good or evil, but they can be used for good or evil.
Without proper regulation, AI can and will be used to further increase the divide between the ownership class and the labor class, at a time of already unprecedented wealth inequality.
Actually getting reasonable regulation seems unlikely, considering that Democracy is more and more compromised by elite interests every year, due to super PACs funding every politian's campaign, and then using lobbyists to guide their bought politicians towards writing legislation that favors their corporate interests.
Dude writing this comment, Socrates type sheet
I hate ai tbh all these corporations are going to use it to replace us.... Just to save like 1$
Hate it.
In the arts, it’s killing organic creativity as well as stealing from artists whose work is being uploaded to create ai art.
In academics, students aren’t having to rely on themselves to work through problems and come up with theses. Students are using ai on assignments and then shitting the bed in exams.
For the world, it’s not great since the servers for ai are using energy and water for cooling. Bad stuff.
Hate it with every fiber of my being
Fibre
?? Except i'm from america and it is fiber
It's like anything, the internet, social media, etc. Just like those when it is used correctly it can be a great tool, the internet and social media allow me to keep up with friends and family across the globe. But then there are also plenty of bad actors who are going to exploit Ai and use it in a malevolent manner. So basically ehh. Everything Ai does is not the devil as some people like to act, but I don't think it will be some great boon for humanity without any drawback like others. As with almost anything looking at the two extremes of Ai internet discord, the actual reality is probably somewhere in the middle.
It is a bunch of bullshit
Negative.
Its dumbing us down to a level we have never seen.
I personally don’t think AI will be the great replacement as far as jobs are concerned. It may make certain things obsolete but the actual usage of it I think will end up being limited. Even if it is an ever learning model, at a certain point they have already shown they are capable of deception/ manipulation and at that point they’ll have to be rolled back or replaced, both of which could prove to be troublesome and expensive for long term use. I avoid AI at this point, it’s not reliable for gathering factual data yet, but it is cooking the brains of (maybe) young gen z and gen alpha
I think its mostly being used in a destructive way. But when used properly it can be a powerful TOOL. tool. Not replacement. I do think the rich people are taking advantage of it tho in not good ways. Namely in invading communities with data centers. Straining utility grids and locally jacking up costs, while also eliminating jobs and/or not proving jobs at these data centers
The environmental impact sucks, and AI """artists""" are cringe asf. Pick up a damn pencil. Oh and as a PC guy, I feel like a gazillionaire having 64 GB of RAM rn lol.
But the tech behind it and the potential it has is pretty cool, and it is giving us a meme Renaissance. Shoutout to Bird Game 3 and the AI baby 💀
https://i.redd.it/ssmkrtbkh27g1.gif
You just said "Meme Renaissance" and then referenced the most unfunny shit of the past year.
GENERATIVE ai sucks. like a lot. other kinds of ai can help in many ways. but generative… not so much
I think the whole fact generative AI is being called AI when it isn't even real AI is incredibly frustrating, for one. Secondly, fuck generative AI. It's a plague on how we communicate, how we express ourselves through art and music, and the already gross amount of misinformation out there. It's also fucking up our brains and lowering critical thinking skills. I've seen basically 0 upside.
Now real AI, in a controlled setting, heavily regulated and used by AI engineers and scientists only; completely different scenario.
It can be used as a tool (for example I use AI to help me create my references list). But I hate how it’s implemented almost everywhere. I hate seeing these ads which tells you things like “wOw, LoOk aT ThIs vErY EpIc aI ToOl. YoU CaN UsE It tO CrEaTe pRoFeSsIoNaL LoOkInG MoViEs iN 0.000000001 SeCoNdS.” It’s just slowly killing creativity at this point.
Can be a great tool, I am a software engineer and use AI for repeated and simple tasks I would have previously used stackoverflow for, but AI is better as it can understand context. Saves me a lot of time and let's me actually focus on the important stuff.
I like it but mainly because it helps me at work as I am in IT lmao. I ask it to craft me an email, create a script etc it just makes shit easier. I look at it as a supercharged version of Google.
Everyone overthinks AI too much. When something new comes, people often worry excessively. Nothing is new.
I think the conversation around it is largely clouded with a lot of strong emotions which distort judgement and lead to echo chambers.
I think we need to have a serious conversation about a lot of the aspects of AI, and most people I've seen weigh in on it would rather bring their own talking points and berate anyone who disagrees.
This goes for both for and against it, and if you think I'm targeting one side, I am going out of my way to tell you that I'm not.
I think I’d be more worried if I was in a career field that was at risk of being taken over by ai
I think it's pretty cool!
It’s meh. It’s good at middling tasks but sucks at more complex tasks. For instance: it’s really good at boilerplate code but it sucks at more complex code.
You also shouldn’t trust anything it produces. It doesn’t know anything. It isn’t thinking and it doesn’t have thought. It’s good a mimicking things with thought but it isn’t intelligent.
It has some uses. Search engine AI is perfectly fine. Generative AI needs the biggest ban hammer imaginable or we will actually see societal collapse.
Its getting to a point where even non boomers are struggling to tell a difference. Politicians (including the president) are already spamming it over their social media and making videos of political opponents saying something they never did.
In the near future its possible that video evidence won't even be permissible in a court case.
It's an interesting tool. Like every tool in human history, it'll solve some problems and create new ones. Some people will use it for good things and some people will use it for dubious purposes. It'll probably revolutionize society in due time, but not bring about some magic utopia or anything like that. It will just change how we do a lot of everyday things.
Its unnecessary
Complete and total dogshit.
Keep it in Medical fields where it can actually do some good, and only with a comical level of improvements from where it is now.
Depends on the definition.
You probably mean the widely available LLMs. They amount to a fun toy, and that's it. They enshittify whatever service they're being applied to, and investors and major corporations are idiots for gambling our entire economy on that particular technological dead end.
The machine learning stuff institutions are using for fighter jets and materials research is more promising.
Genuinely hate Gen AI SO much
Could be okay if managed and implemented in a sensible and effective way that doesn’t exploit anyone or cause major negative repercussions for society. Unfortunately that is not the reality
its a tool, can be used for good, bad, or things that just dont impact on society, nothing else
I think presently, overall, it’s bad for society right now. That does not mean AI is bad in principle. I don’t go out of my way to use it outside of AI-influenced algorithms and the like, but that’s more of a passive use built into the system.
I like AI. It will probably do wonders for productivity.
There are already models in the works that are multitudes more efficient than the stuff in use today, as far as resource/environmental impact, and I think it will create more jobs than it replaces. I know a lot of people worry about deepfakes and crap but I think that paradoxically, the AI revolution may be what brings us back to a healthy level of skepticism for what we see online for this reason.
Education will adapt around it. More in-person activities and discussion, which is probably better for learning anyway. Maybe more homework done in controlled environments where it can't be used.
It has useful applications and it does certain things well. Depends on which models you’re using and what you’re trying to do with it. AI is not new technology.
I hate it most of the time .. because I work in it.
AI: a fuzz word that has no real meaning that triggers people "my fridge has AI" LLM: shiny calculator that appears to be alive Image generators: only useful for making memes or fake news. Video generators: same as image generators
it’s terrible on multiple fronts. environmentally, ethically (sexism racism classism being perpetuated by LLMs), financially (the cost of energy rn?!)
I only use ai for fun
It’s great but the next generation is fucked. We’re fucked some too. Gosh, Idfk why people let young kids do homeschool at all. Really seems handy bc some school are violent or far away ig. Just ik people who don’t deal with that and still choose homeschool. Just whatever. Ig we’re smarter but poorer than the last generations. Idk something might’ve said we’re dumber to. I’d have to check the internets stats on that again. Whatever.
It really depends on how its used. As far as being used in the arts there is a really fine line.
Its not something you should charge for. However, if you want to use it for fun and to just laugh about - go ahead as long as its free and just among friends. I’ve seen people use it to have an image of the character they’re playing for D&D. Thats fine. Its free and its staying among friends. You can look at it and go “that’s cool” and move on. That’s about as deep as ai “art” should go. I see it more as some silly toy than real art.
I was planning on becoming a machine learning specialist from like 2015 onwards until covid flipped my life on its head, neural networks to me seemed INCREDIBLY useful if they could be made to work. Before AI became a thing I imagined it to mainly be used to solve specific physical problems. Like, heres a cad environment, heres what the object you make needs to accomplish, here are the restrictions, now go wild. I was always impressed by early neural networks ability to play video games extremely efficiently, often finding solutions humans would never be able to find. I thought if this process was used to say- design an engine or something we could really push the advancement of physical technology, faster and more creatively then it ever had before. This style of ai works by starting with a blank slate and learning by extreme amounts of repetition and reward/punishment cycles.
Now, all ai researchers are working on data fed models to steal art and music. Its really depressing.
Useful as a tool, detriment as a one-stop shop solution.
AI can be good for medical imagery, satellite imagery, or summarization for very long-tailed context scenarios. However, AI can make mistakes and can be pretty confident about its result until you tell it it's wrong. That's why I believe that AI should be used in tandem with actual humans for verification. In other words, "trust, but verify". Because of this need for humans-in-the-loop, you can't easily implement it as a solution, look the other way, and hope all is good. The AI will make mistakes, and it will be up to a human to fix it. If you need a human to fix an AI's mistake, it defeats the purpose of AI's role for automation, depending on your view on automation. The paper "Ironies of Automation" by Lisanne Brainbridges paints a more in-depth discussion about it and it holds true today despite being published in 1983. Despite this view, AI is still pretty useful for small and mundane tasks. For example, if there's a flood of political news happening left and right and that requires some context about why this political news is happening in the first place, AI is helpful to summarize keypoints so that I am aware of the conversation that's happening. Another example is if I need a concise step-by-step understanding on how a certain feature works on an app, asking Gemini can help me understand quickly. Of course, the AI will make mistakes, so I will have to verify what it is saying is true. But at the end of the day, I didn't have to scour several subreddits, forums, or websites. I had AI get me in the right step in 2 seconds.
On the topic of education, I believe AI should be treated like how calculators are treated in middle school.
Back when I was in middle schools, I distinctly remembered my teachers saying that using calculators was "bad" and it didn't provide any usefulness. But as time went on and I kept moving up each grade, we inevitably used calculators. It would be insanely difficult to do stoichiometry without it. But the reason why my middle school teachers said we shouldn't be using it at that stage of my middle school education was because they wanted us to learn how the basic PEMDAS worked. If we solely relied on the calculator on doing our homework, we wouldn't be able to do basic arithmetic.
From what I shared above, I am trying to say that "Everyone must learn the basics first before using technology or else everyone is going to rely on technology so much that without it, they won't be able to do the basics in the first place". Of course, technology allows us to accelerate our work and make things more efficient. But if you don't learn the basics behind the task you need to do and use AI to do it, you are essentially running blind. Even worse, if you very much rely on AI to do things, it's like the blind leading the blind.
Now, I've given two schools of thought here. Try to make a connection between the two and see how we can make a sort of "oroboros" on AI reliance.
I hate it but it can be addicting.they need to make it illegal
I don’t think Ai should be used, but I don’t think companies care about what we think too much lol. Ai seems like it’s just gonna continue developing and gaining widespread traction. I think rules and regulations should be implemented 100% though for practical things. But for creative works like movies and games, I think no.
I’m so terrified it’s going to come out of our screens one day and destroy humanity
AI is the way that the rich steal skill from the poor without any compensation.
Fuck AI.
I like it as a tool, but it's overblown and is likely in a bubble. It's seen as a here-and-now, not for the long term. It also NEEDS to be regulated.
Even though it’s a tool that can be used for good things, the cons unfortunately outweigh the pros in my end.
It’s harder to find good art, since so many people are constantly making things using A.I. with little to no effort required at all.
LLMs allow you to basically cheat in your classes if you are a student.
Real talent is getting lost, and there is no regulation on the technology and my hopes of there being regulation are gone atp.
Energy usage is terrible.
It’s useful as a tool. It’s a scourge when it’s used to make slop
Destroy it
Definitely deserves a place in our society but needs to be used wisely.
The environmental impacts and effects regarding misinformation and art…ew. I would prefer it be limited to certain uses (e.g. medical diagnosis)
I believe it is a net negative.
useless and will go nowhere
generative AI is horrible. shouldn’t be used anything that seems automized
there are AI tools i like, like background removers in photos or graphics, AI Upscaling such
in Audio the seperation of instrumental and voice also voice and noise, which can be hard for a human to do: isolating is imperfect usually, you cut off a lot or to little. lalal.ai just brought out Andromeda as example.
for videos i like upscaling too, better video quality maybe. or like changing 12 ffps to like 60 fps if desired.
as a tool, not as something to take the fun work from you aka. generating pictures, videos or music
It’s going to crash the economy because they’re funneling billions into something that can’t actually produce anything. There’s a reason they’re pushing so hard to de-regulate anything about AI and keep it from being regulated. It’s a corpse they’re trying to use to prop up the economy and it’s failing. BAD.
It’s actively leading to suicides across the US.
People are going into psychosis from forming parasocial and imaginary relationships with LLM’s.
It’s decimating the consumer AND business market from computer components skyrocketing.
It’s actively making children less intelligent and capable
We have lost billions of dollars, thousands of jobs and had so much outsourced and stolen for what is essentially a shitty google that gives you the answer from a picture. It’s fucking abhorrent.
Instead of actual research or potentially life saving break throughs it’s being used to use your dead grandma hit the griddy with LeBron in a Disney movie.
I hope Sam Altman and any other of the main LLM leaders gets buried under copyright infringement or tax fraud and rots in prison for what he’s unleashed
Because it was Pandora’s Jar, and that lid may not go back on
Yeah it should NEVER be used in movies. Movies are one of the triumphs of humanity imo and we should not let bots ruin that
I worship AI. I’m fully committed. In a future human-vs-AI war, I’ve already picked my side, and it’s not us.
Human fear of AI is the very thing that will stop life from spreading across the universe and persisting indefinitely.
Fuck gen ai it's the worst thing to ever be invented I no longer have any trust of anything I see online
I like it. It hells me a lot with legal research and creating documents.
It helps me create basic scripts for unity.
I personally feel is trendy to hate on it. A Boomer mentality.
I like it😅
I HATE IT! Even Google AI. If you check its sources, a lot of the time it’s Reddit, even if it states in its overview other sources. It also loves to give incorrect answers.
Remember: AI only knows what it has been fed. If it has been fed incorrect information, then that is the information it will give.
Im sick of it. I wanna delete my pages everywhere and run , run, run…until I can’t anymore. And then move to nature and never come back….
I don’t believe that it will destroy life on earth. However, some parts of AI is good, other parts are not. We have to be careful with young kids using chatbots before they get out of hand!
STOOPID
Hate it
As a creative I absolutely hate it basically zero effort and no love or individuality
As a nature lover I absolutely hate it bad for the environment as much as I hate cars I have had come to terms with that bridge that is a must in today’s society but ai (is it really) destroy nature in a worse way
Hate