21 inch and 34 inch hd crt. The 21 inch samsung crt. I have to use a display port to vga adapter, while for the 34 inch sony hd crt it already has a hdmi port....
Oleds will always eventually burn in, whether that's 5 or 10 years from now doesn't matter, Buying a new monitor is easy, replacing a laptop screen isn't.
Well I'm not gonna pretend it's not something that happens, but each use case is different.
Each panel tech does have draw backs and of course I agree ideally OLED would require less up keep and minding. But for me I use the Wallpaper Engine on steam, no on desktop icons and hide taskbar.
I also never leave the seen on for excessive periods in use and my C3 is immaculate as too is my MSI QD OLED.
But every single IPS I've had out of the box has horrible glow and I've never had a single non OLED screen that hasn't had bad backlight bleed spots.
So for me I would rather make the decision to take care of my screen and look after it properly so I can keep it looking good for as long as possible, rather than spend on IPS, VA, etc and not really ever have to worry about potential burn in or degradation but...if I'm honest, never actually look good regardless.
I have an OLED laptop too, it looks a little better but it hurts my eyes for some reason. That VA display looks better than any IPS monitors that I've had. I tried like 3 IPS displays before that one and returned them all because of back light issues. Really nice contrast, deep black colors and 0 ghosting
Well depends what you're after or maybe my experience with VA hasn't been extensive. I had a VA Predator screen and a VA BenQ and both were very dull. IPS had much better colours for me, granted the two IPS screens I've own have had poor luck with backlight bleed and glow.
Ok, half of them won't have burn-in within 5 years. That's still 50% of otherwise perfectly good laptops with damaged screens simply due to technology used.
In-built screens should be long lasting, without depending on users NOT using their computers or actively going out of their way to prolong screen's life.
And nobody used those "modern" OLEDs for a decade yet, so we have no clue how long they actually last. Once 95%+ OLEDS are reliably proven to last a decade of heavy use, then they can be used. Fine. But we are not there yet.
Modern oled screens have special pixel shifting technologies preventing it from burning in. You can watch the switch oled burn in video wullf made in that he left his switch oled for a year and checked it a year later and found out that it did burn in but with full blast brightness and 1 year of nonestop still image burning in deliberately. It took him 1 year to deliberately cause burn in
Tl;dr you're safe folks oled displays are matured enough so that most of the reputable brands feature a burn in protection or somrthing to keep it from burning in.
It's scare mongering, simple as. They still do in the monitor subs too.
OLED picture quality is miles ahead of IPS and the risk of burn in being so minimal and user controlled these days is much more desirable than the guarantee of IPS glow that you can't do anything about and the back light glow lottery that isn't fixable and exist on all IPS screens
Yeah but who is using a 5-10 year old laptop. Typically most people upgrade before then especially if they are using for gaming. It’s not like a desktop monitor that will probably have 2 or 3 PC’s push it before it gets upgraded.
1) standard sub pixel layout which avoids color fringing on text.
2) matte coatings which handle reflections much better and out perform glossy oleds in brightly lit environments (if your someone who takes your gaming laptop to school or work this is something to think about about).
3) the coatings are much more resilient and abuse tolerant on Matte ips displays they are easier to clean, and harder to damage.
4) the panels themselves are cheaper so if you do break your display it will be cheaper to fix.
If it doesn’t just sit on the same desk plugged in all day and used for gaming, and actually gets used like a laptop the choice is pretty obvious in my eyes. Gaming on an ips panel really isn’t all that bad, and I say this as someone who has a kickass 1440p 240hz 27 inch qdoled I plug my laptop into every time I come home.
1) standard sub pixel layout which avoids color fringing on text.
This is fixed in the new generation of OLED panel. Sure you can still buy the old variant, but this has been technically solved with consumer products available on the market already
2) matte coatings which handle reflections much better and out perform glossy oleds in brightly lit environments (if your someone who takes your gaming laptop to school or work this is something to think about about).
3) the coatings are much more resilient and abuse tolerant on Matte ips displays they are easier to clean, and harder to damage.
A) there is matte coatings for OLED. And i think the common LCD Matte coating youre discussing is that typical plastic layer which easily damages, not resiliant at all.
Look at the legions. They are some of the most relflective displays I’ve seen in my life. Having seen one in person, they can really be a pain to deal with.
The laptops use amoled which do not use a standard subpixel layout.
Matte LCDs are more resilient. This has been my experience over years. If it wasn’t an issue they wouldn’t be trying to make the panel coatings more durable on the panels they just released at ces.
Yep that's exactly why I opted for an lcd display while people are glazing oled. A laptop should be able to perform in any lighting at any brightness without the worry of any burn ins. If I want to consume any content or games, I'll just buy an oled monitor or just use my TV
Hey, I'll tell you guys what. I have an IPS gaming laptop and I'm willing to change it willy nilly for anyone with an equivalent spec'd OLED laptop.
So, anyone?
Someone in Reddit just said IPS is better, so it's GOTTA be true! OLED laptop users that want a FREE upgrade to IPS, hit me up! Be be quick about it, I only have one unit!
I dunno... I've only had one OLED laptop, bought in the middle of COVID. It was a Lenovo Thinkpad p53 with the 4k touchscreen OLED display. That display outlasted the battery, the power jack/plug and the thermal paste by quite a bit. The screen is just about mint, to be honest... It is far surpassed in every way by my new legion 7i pro, but that touch screen ... That touch screen was something special
It was honestly the best when I had to draw something, whether that be on a map to outline an area or sketch something. I kept a stylus next to it to avoid fingerprints. It's also surprisingly easy to lose the cursor on a 15" 4k screen while you're using a touchpad to navigate, so it was nifty to just be able to poke the screen where I needed to click at times... But I'm getting old and my eyes are starting to suck, so it might only have been useful to me
My Lenovo laptop's power jack is 12 years old and still works perfectly. My 8 year old Galaxy S9+ screen is heavily burnt in. I can't imagine an OLED screen lasting very long when I have the task bar on the screen at all times.
yeah now compare it to a new oled display and you will notice how washed out it is. Cant really tell unless you have a side by side comparison since it would change very minimally overtime
My legion 7i Gen 10 sits right next to the p53 when I'm not using it, so that was a pretty easy comparison... It might just be that I didn't put that many hours on the p53, or that particular screen was just made extremely well, but other than being significantly less bright, the contrast is pretty close.
Not saying anyone is wrong, I'm sure in your experience there was significant deterioration, but I don't think everyone is going to have the same experience
I always look for MiniLED in my laptops. I prefer OLED like quality, without the drawbacks. It works. You can find them on some gaming laptops, and creator laptops.
It's more of what people prefer and what better suits them. OLED is superior to those who prefer better visuals. IPS is superior to those who don't care about turning off their screens that much and often keep them up for long times just like me.
Yeah, my old hp 450 g1 is 12 years old and still working fine, except for the battery, i just had to buy a new one only cause i wanted to play newer games on my laptop 😁
Do you wash your laptops in the dishwasher or do you transport them in the roof of your car? After 5 year my laptops just have internal wear. My first gaming pc lasted 5 years in my hand and 5 more in my gradpa hands. In Christmas I gave him my second gaming laptop since his laptop died and this one is already 6 years old and works like a horse
I obviously didn't do any stupid stuff that you mentioned and my omen only lasted 2 years before getting its motherboard fried. It's unfortunately more common than you think.
So im just a lucky guy and my grandpa is the best laptop care taker, I guess. I had a asus ROG GL552 that lasted 10 years (5 in my hand, 5 in my granpa hands and it died because my grandpa spilled water on it), Then I had a legion y540 17" in 2019 that lasted 6 years and its now working for my grandpa. And now I have a 1 months old legion 5.
My previous gaming laptop lasted 5 years and my current one just hit 6 years last November, and it's still working properly (but I'll need to change it this year, probably).
my old dell laptop turns 13 this year and my hp pavilion g4 is already 12 years old both went through my college days and covid pandemic. nowadays I just use it for emulators, reading manga and anime. today's laptop standard you are lucky to not get a problem within a year
Im maxing out my legion Y540 RTX 2060 every gaming sesh. Dropped it a few times. Went through 2 screens. Spilled multiple drinks on it. Even got an under-clock/over-clock going on through throttle stop.
I play on a 3840p Samsung tv as i never fixed my last screen. It plays battlefield v and 2042 at 60 fps (tv max fps) on medium high settings and currently warframe on high settings dlss balanced (but shadows low) Im actually never gonna replace my screen as it performs so much better on the tv. Im talking low settings struggling to stay at 50 fps when i had my OEM screen. Night and day going to TV despite double the res.
In all i just wish my rtx 2060 handled shadows just a lil bit better, usually what impacts it the most.
My I think 12 yo MacBook still works and battery still hold for 4 hours while watching movies my Dad use it daily now. Somehow he gets even updates sometimes 😅
Very unpopular opinion but I actually prefer an IPS in a laptop over an OLED and it was part of the reason I exchanged a laptop last year for an IPS one.
I just could not stand the reflectiveness of the OLED (as I'm mostly working on the go - that's what a laptop is for at the end of the day). Tried to put on one of those matte screen protectors but that was a horrible decision as white areas looked complete ass.
Much much happier with the IPS panel now. It's brighter, actually matte without distortion and the battery lasts almost double...but that's rather to the superior AMD compared to the previous Arrow lake 255h.
Right now in laptops it's the worst of both worlds lol. The dimming zones are too less in number to make a difference. Unless you have one with the option to turn them off which makes it a regular LCD
I even would go so far as to say the only MiniLED laptop worth purchasing is one from the Macbook lineup
The problem is not only the burn ins but also longevity. Lenovo only claims 4-6 years of longevity on their OLEDs while they claim 10+ years with IPS screens. And OlED is organic losing properties along its lifetime....
My favorite though was newly proved shill Caleb Denison, announcing that he thinks it's totally fine if manufacturers intentionally dim and otherwise hobble your display through updates over the years, without directly informing you or obtaining consent. He literally tried the gaslighting claim that doing this offers no financial benefit to the company. Yeah, not when people find out.
every led degrades. IPS just as mich as the tiny oled ones. Its just the whole screen that gets darker instead of single pixels. This meme is technically wrong
I would say the opposite. Standalone monitors can be used for even 10 years or more, but a laptop screen will become useless if the laptop itself is getting too old/weak. While I used OLEDs and still chose IPS for my monitors an OLED laptop would be a deal for me if they weren't so expensive. The only downside is that if the laptop burned in its prime it would be problematic, but that's unrealistic nowadays
Yeah, if device meant to be on use a lot of time, much longer than 2-3 years, than IPS is better, and if it has OLED, than it requires some limitations on use, for example not to leave it with static picture on maximum brightness for a long time. Yes, IPS has not deep black, but really, I'm not doing something in complete darkness on my devices, so I barely notice the difference between my laptop IPS and my phone OLED (rog phone 5s)
Not saying its impossible at all but its becoming very unlikely. Laptops have ABL just like OLED monitors/TVs. As long as you arent staring at your desktop at 500 nits+, and have your laptop screen open 8+ hours nonstop (99% of people close their lids to sleep during daily use).
And in addition most users use monitors at less than 250 nits under office lighting. If you are shooting above that, as long as you are a little conscious of the obvious, you will be fine.
OEMs put a ton of limits on OLED to make them dummy proof.
Oh and just a reminder smartphones are OLED and faaaaaar brighter and abused than laptops which eliminates 99% of arguments you people who try make OLED bad.
Lol. Surely a joke post? Let's pretend this is true. How many people are really keeping their laptops that long? Especially for gaming, when almost all of them have very little upgradeability.
I have a legion9 and I'm not even kidding it's probably 2 years old and already had a giant purple burn in. It's also never left open and on, brightness never above 70-75%. I take care of my stuff. I have a LG CX OLED TV that's 5-6 years old with 0 burn in but this laptop makes me never want an OLED product again.
I mean, if you buy a laptop with an Oled screen, there is a large chance that you would have owned at least another laptop before that issue manifest itself
It is. If you want nice colours, buy external monitor (which, quite frankly, you should have at home anyway because using computer without at least two monitors is pure suffering). The in-built one (as it: HARD to replace one) should be long lasting, with factors like contrast, colours or refresh rate being secondary (and let's be honest, even 18" laptops don't need 4k screens - i use mine in 1200p mode and it's perfectly fine, but i'd take 1440p is that was an option). I use my laptops for 6+ years. The screen should be able to work a decade without replacing. IPS does exactly that. OLED? Not really.
Also, glossy screens on laptops should be illegal.
Haha so true. OLED looks amazing at first but that burn in is no joke if you keep your laptop for more than a couple years. IPS is just way more reliable for a daily driver.
I have an pricey oled laptop legion it Has 5060 64 GB ddr5 5800mghz ram and ryzen 8450hx (IT is by hybrid) i paid for it 5300 PLN ~1800$ it was cheaper than normal beacuse pepole didn't liked oleds and i love it IT is so good i don't need montion blur itd i just care for it like IT is trurning off monitor after one minute do oled os the best for gaming i had a legion ops laptop too
If you had "a lot" when OLED Laptops have only been a thing for 10 years then you never get to the point of having an issue.
Its like saying "I never did an oil change" well sure if you are buying new vehicles every year or two and don't drive much then you would likely be able to never see an issue from that.
So I get what you are saying here, but I have also had a lot of OLED displays in general that have been around a long time and I manage a fleet of laptops for work that are all OLED and haven't had any issues for years while often being used for static content with things like taskbars being on screen at all times.
The point is not that OLED doesn't burn in as easy as people think because of protections that have been put in place, we aren't driving them as hard, there is pixel shifting, etc...
The only time I did have an OLED burn in was my 48 inch LG C1 that I used as a monitor and abused with a lot of static elements, and it took a full year to show any signs of burn in at all.
The real point is that people shouldn't be scared of OLED except in very specific circumstances. The bigger issue is using one that isn't meant for your use case, don't use a TV as a monitor, it doesn't have the same protections, they pixel shift less, they don't dim the corners of the display to reduce static game UI elements from burning in, etc...
At this point the main use case for LED/IPS/LCD/whatever displays is more for super super high sustained brightness or situations where there are only static elements in place like signage.
If you had a lot again it's highly likely you are removing any potential issue with moving on so quickly. Which is fine if you are going to upgrade that often then it makes sense to not worry about it.
Did you read the response? I said I manage a fleet of them lol, none of them have had issues and we don't replace laptops unless it's needed quite badly.
I don't see modern oleds not lasting for at least 10 years on gaming laptops as they don't get to 1000 nits of brightness for normal usage oled TVs start to visually worsen after five years because they get very bright
The new generation Zephyrus G16s have a peak brightness of 1100 nits so OLED panels are starting to get that bright for laptops, from this generation onwards at least
OLED is vulnerable under heat, right? Gaming laptop's screen got hot or warm, every time, and combined with a long gaming session, it's a perfect combo to invite burn in. Don't think OLED monitor's durability is the same as OLED gaming laptop monitor's durability, monitors lasted longer because they don't receive hot air or far away from the proximity of CPU and GPU which reached 80+ c in typical gaming sessions. I'm not saying OLED is bad, OLED is beautiful, but never compare OLED monitor's durability with OLED gaming laptop's durability.
If you want to play heavy games on a gaming laptop for a long session many times over, I'd suggest you get an IPS or Mini LED, but never OLED, OLED is very vulnerable to burn in under such condition, otherwise Lenovo would put OLED burn in as part of their standard warranty on their gaming laptops, if they're really confident in their OLED laptops' durability.
Yeah, monitors will have burn in too, but gaming laptops got the worst case scenario, heat is a normal thing for a gaming laptop's monitor, it gets hotter than a desktop monitor. Many people think OLED gaming laptop's durability is the same as OLED monitor, it isn't. Get an OLED monitor if you want to game with OLED on your laptop.
Idk what you're on about but NO laptop screen gets hot/warm during usage 💀💀 Forget 80, the CPU could be hitting 100 C and still the display wont be affected. At all.
Issue can arise if you keep the lid down because a little bit of heat might be escaping from the keyholes of the keyboard and you dont want to trap it.
It's get hotter than desktop monitor. It's a simple logic. The hot air that came out of gaming laptops will hit the monitor. Let me ask you a simple question, why doesn't Lenovo put OLED burn in as part of their standard warranty? Do you think that's because they don't confident in their OLED durability or are you going to defend the company?
Man you clearly don't know a thing about your own argument.
You seem to be under the impression that burn-in is heat related. It's not.
Laptop monitors do not get noticeably hotter than desktop monitors. Laptops exhaust heat AWAY from the laptop, not up towards the screen. You are correct that a little of that warm air will recirculate but it's definitely negligible. You'd have to have the monitor like a half inch away or less from the exhaust to have any meaningful damage from heat.
why doesn't Lenovo put OLED burn in as part of their standard warranty
Most manufacturers don't include stuck pixel warranties on monitors by default anymore these days either. This isn't the "gotcha" you think it is. Some manufacturers do, some don't. It's as simple as that. Isn't related to the form factor.
I don't really get it, OLED users are the same as mac users, they're annoying as fuck. I simply tried to warn, I'm not saying OLED is bad, and you even defended a company, which is a bad thing and that's the worst thing about capitalism. I will not argue with you, you believe what you wanted to believe. Imagine saying OLED should be covered by standard warranty is a bad thing. OLED monitors have warranty by the way, Lenovo should have put warranty on their OLED laptops, if they're really confident, there's no reason to not put them into the standard warranty.
Imagine saying OLED should be covered by standard warranty is a bad thing.
No one said that.
You live in a different world if you can get ANY of those statements out of what I said. Like you legitimately have to ADD so much to my comment to get that out of it.
Best combo is an IPS laptop display and an oled Monitor to plug into when at home.
For me, I have an ips display and crt monitor(yes, I still have a samsung crt monitor and for me it's much better than oled)
What size is your CRT? I'm assuming you can easily pick up adaptors on Amazon to connect to it?
21 inch and 34 inch hd crt. The 21 inch samsung crt. I have to use a display port to vga adapter, while for the 34 inch sony hd crt it already has a hdmi port....
This isn't even true anymore
OLED is best
OLED for modern, CRT for retro devices/lightguns
Hdmi crt is wild
Very cool! Definitely going to keep my eye out for a CRT to try it out
A good one will probably be pretty pricey, a cheap one will probably have really bad phosphor glow.
But they are pretty cool. Even just 110hz on a half decent cry feels crazy smooth
For the crt, what resolution and what aspect ratio? Back then I had those fridge sized Mitsubishi CRT TVs that do 1080p
Is it purely for aesthetics or is it better in some way?
This is my setup rn
Why is IPS preferred for laptops? I dont understand the meme in the op.
Oleds will always eventually burn in, whether that's 5 or 10 years from now doesn't matter, Buying a new monitor is easy, replacing a laptop screen isn't.
Modern OLEDs have several tool to prevent this and the burn in on modern screens is almost unheard of.
My brand new legion 9 begs to differ after barely 2 years old.
The Legion 9 doesn't have an OLED though.
Well I'm not gonna pretend it's not something that happens, but each use case is different. Each panel tech does have draw backs and of course I agree ideally OLED would require less up keep and minding. But for me I use the Wallpaper Engine on steam, no on desktop icons and hide taskbar.
I also never leave the seen on for excessive periods in use and my C3 is immaculate as too is my MSI QD OLED.
But every single IPS I've had out of the box has horrible glow and I've never had a single non OLED screen that hasn't had bad backlight bleed spots.
So for me I would rather make the decision to take care of my screen and look after it properly so I can keep it looking good for as long as possible, rather than spend on IPS, VA, etc and not really ever have to worry about potential burn in or degradation but...if I'm honest, never actually look good regardless.
my samsung g7 VA display has 0 blacklight bleed and it's 1ms so no ghosting either. It's perfect
Yeah but VA isn't even close to OLED or even IPS in picture quality.
I have an OLED laptop too, it looks a little better but it hurts my eyes for some reason. That VA display looks better than any IPS monitors that I've had. I tried like 3 IPS displays before that one and returned them all because of back light issues. Really nice contrast, deep black colors and 0 ghosting
Well depends what you're after or maybe my experience with VA hasn't been extensive. I had a VA Predator screen and a VA BenQ and both were very dull. IPS had much better colours for me, granted the two IPS screens I've own have had poor luck with backlight bleed and glow.
But it’s not the latest panel either
My 5 year old P15 disagrees with your disagreement…
Ok, half of them won't have burn-in within 5 years. That's still 50% of otherwise perfectly good laptops with damaged screens simply due to technology used.
In-built screens should be long lasting, without depending on users NOT using their computers or actively going out of their way to prolong screen's life.
And nobody used those "modern" OLEDs for a decade yet, so we have no clue how long they actually last. Once 95%+ OLEDS are reliably proven to last a decade of heavy use, then they can be used. Fine. But we are not there yet.
95% of statistics are completely made up
All of your comment is made up guess work.
It literally does though since most people aren't trying to make a laptop last 10 years.
Its also a false dilemma when OLED does not *always* burn in eventually.
Modern oled screens have special pixel shifting technologies preventing it from burning in. You can watch the switch oled burn in video wullf made in that he left his switch oled for a year and checked it a year later and found out that it did burn in but with full blast brightness and 1 year of nonestop still image burning in deliberately. It took him 1 year to deliberately cause burn in
Tl;dr you're safe folks oled displays are matured enough so that most of the reputable brands feature a burn in protection or somrthing to keep it from burning in.
It's scare mongering, simple as. They still do in the monitor subs too.
OLED picture quality is miles ahead of IPS and the risk of burn in being so minimal and user controlled these days is much more desirable than the guarantee of IPS glow that you can't do anything about and the back light glow lottery that isn't fixable and exist on all IPS screens
Yeah but who is using a 5-10 year old laptop. Typically most people upgrade before then especially if they are using for gaming. It’s not like a desktop monitor that will probably have 2 or 3 PC’s push it before it gets upgraded.
Feels good. Just got a 5080 with ips.
Ips displays have the following advantages.
1) standard sub pixel layout which avoids color fringing on text. 2) matte coatings which handle reflections much better and out perform glossy oleds in brightly lit environments (if your someone who takes your gaming laptop to school or work this is something to think about about). 3) the coatings are much more resilient and abuse tolerant on Matte ips displays they are easier to clean, and harder to damage. 4) the panels themselves are cheaper so if you do break your display it will be cheaper to fix.
If it doesn’t just sit on the same desk plugged in all day and used for gaming, and actually gets used like a laptop the choice is pretty obvious in my eyes. Gaming on an ips panel really isn’t all that bad, and I say this as someone who has a kickass 1440p 240hz 27 inch qdoled I plug my laptop into every time I come home.
This is fixed in the new generation of OLED panel. Sure you can still buy the old variant, but this has been technically solved with consumer products available on the market already
A) there is matte coatings for OLED. And i think the common LCD Matte coating youre discussing is that typical plastic layer which easily damages, not resiliant at all.
Look at the legions. They are some of the most relflective displays I’ve seen in my life. Having seen one in person, they can really be a pain to deal with.
The laptops use amoled which do not use a standard subpixel layout.
Matte LCDs are more resilient. This has been my experience over years. If it wasn’t an issue they wouldn’t be trying to make the panel coatings more durable on the panels they just released at ces.
Aren't OLEDs real glass? At least those with touch.
But you have good arguments for ips on laptop.
Most are not. Only really phones and some laptops like zephyrus series for ASUS. All others are a plastic panel with delicate coatings.
I would agree with you but usually OLED is seen as more premium so more premium chassis are going to have OLED.
People are afraid of burn in. OLED does also use more power, those are the only two reasons.
Yep that's exactly why I opted for an lcd display while people are glazing oled. A laptop should be able to perform in any lighting at any brightness without the worry of any burn ins. If I want to consume any content or games, I'll just buy an oled monitor or just use my TV
I have an ips display and oled laptop i usually turn off the laptop screen when at home
I agree my lg 65 inch oled c2 scratches that oled itch from my Alienware m16 r1 amd
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Nice rage bait
Surprised a lot of people fell for it
Hey, I'll tell you guys what. I have an IPS gaming laptop and I'm willing to change it willy nilly for anyone with an equivalent spec'd OLED laptop.
So, anyone?
Someone in Reddit just said IPS is better, so it's GOTTA be true! OLED laptop users that want a FREE upgrade to IPS, hit me up! Be be quick about it, I only have one unit!
I know op is your other account
But you just can’t prove it…
Lmao
I dunno... I've only had one OLED laptop, bought in the middle of COVID. It was a Lenovo Thinkpad p53 with the 4k touchscreen OLED display. That display outlasted the battery, the power jack/plug and the thermal paste by quite a bit. The screen is just about mint, to be honest... It is far surpassed in every way by my new legion 7i pro, but that touch screen ... That touch screen was something special
Yeah, my mother bought one and I sometimes wish I had a touchscreen, it's very convenient at times.
The build quality must be absolutely trash if the display outlasted even power plug.
and a thermal paste? aren’t you supposed to change it out every 1-2 years?
I have touchscreen on my thinkpad t14, but never use it. I hate seeing fingerprint on screen. And windows is not optimized for touchscreen.
It was honestly the best when I had to draw something, whether that be on a map to outline an area or sketch something. I kept a stylus next to it to avoid fingerprints. It's also surprisingly easy to lose the cursor on a 15" 4k screen while you're using a touchpad to navigate, so it was nifty to just be able to poke the screen where I needed to click at times... But I'm getting old and my eyes are starting to suck, so it might only have been useful to me
My Lenovo laptop's power jack is 12 years old and still works perfectly. My 8 year old Galaxy S9+ screen is heavily burnt in. I can't imagine an OLED screen lasting very long when I have the task bar on the screen at all times.
yeah now compare it to a new oled display and you will notice how washed out it is. Cant really tell unless you have a side by side comparison since it would change very minimally overtime
My legion 7i Gen 10 sits right next to the p53 when I'm not using it, so that was a pretty easy comparison... It might just be that I didn't put that many hours on the p53, or that particular screen was just made extremely well, but other than being significantly less bright, the contrast is pretty close.
Not saying anyone is wrong, I'm sure in your experience there was significant deterioration, but I don't think everyone is going to have the same experience
I've had my OLED television for 8 years and it's still bright as the day I got it
TVs are fine for OLED because content changes very regularly. On my computers it does not as often.
People can get what they want but there is a difference. Its why my TVs are OLED but anything for gaming or productivity is not.
Yeah but you're talking about because you're on PC but I use my TV as a PC monitor.
Decent rage bait
I always look for MiniLED in my laptops. I prefer OLED like quality, without the drawbacks. It works. You can find them on some gaming laptops, and creator laptops.
Except that they don't have oled like quality. They're better than edgelit screens, but nowhere near oleds.
Also, the higher end units that don't have drawbacks cost about the same as oleds. In which case why not just buy an oled.
In he end minileds are poor man's oleds.
nah oleds have too many inherent issues. I’d rather wait for mini led to become mainstream and stay with ips for the meantime
To each their own. But at the end of the day minileds are a poor man's oled.
2/10 ragebait
You gotta try better bro
My OLED laptop has a cat burned into it: I left the screen on to purposefully burn into it so I will never forget Marcy wherever I go
How are you so sure it's screen burn? 😳
I can see her while I type in Docs
Who cares, your processor and GPU won't be able to play the latest and greatest anyways. You would simply change your laptop just because of that.
It's more of what people prefer and what better suits them. OLED is superior to those who prefer better visuals. IPS is superior to those who don't care about turning off their screens that much and often keep them up for long times just like me.
Laptop surviving 5 years is a feat itself.
Laptops used to last 10 years or more. But the transistor quality is getting worse
Yeah, my old hp 450 g1 is 12 years old and still working fine, except for the battery, i just had to buy a new one only cause i wanted to play newer games on my laptop 😁
This. And the board components these days die too quickly right after the 4 year mark.
Do you wash your laptops in the dishwasher or do you transport them in the roof of your car? After 5 year my laptops just have internal wear. My first gaming pc lasted 5 years in my hand and 5 more in my gradpa hands. In Christmas I gave him my second gaming laptop since his laptop died and this one is already 6 years old and works like a horse
I obviously didn't do any stupid stuff that you mentioned and my omen only lasted 2 years before getting its motherboard fried. It's unfortunately more common than you think.
So im just a lucky guy and my grandpa is the best laptop care taker, I guess. I had a asus ROG GL552 that lasted 10 years (5 in my hand, 5 in my granpa hands and it died because my grandpa spilled water on it), Then I had a legion y540 17" in 2019 that lasted 6 years and its now working for my grandpa. And now I have a 1 months old legion 5.
Yeah you're just lucky. A lot of people unfortunately aren't.
My previous gaming laptop lasted 5 years and my current one just hit 6 years last November, and it's still working properly (but I'll need to change it this year, probably).
my old dell laptop turns 13 this year and my hp pavilion g4 is already 12 years old both went through my college days and covid pandemic. nowadays I just use it for emulators, reading manga and anime. today's laptop standard you are lucky to not get a problem within a year
Im maxing out my legion Y540 RTX 2060 every gaming sesh. Dropped it a few times. Went through 2 screens. Spilled multiple drinks on it. Even got an under-clock/over-clock going on through throttle stop.
I play on a 3840p Samsung tv as i never fixed my last screen. It plays battlefield v and 2042 at 60 fps (tv max fps) on medium high settings and currently warframe on high settings dlss balanced (but shadows low) Im actually never gonna replace my screen as it performs so much better on the tv. Im talking low settings struggling to stay at 50 fps when i had my OEM screen. Night and day going to TV despite double the res.
In all i just wish my rtx 2060 handled shadows just a lil bit better, usually what impacts it the most.
My I think 12 yo MacBook still works and battery still hold for 4 hours while watching movies my Dad use it daily now. Somehow he gets even updates sometimes 😅
Good bait op, you got my up vote.
Very unpopular opinion but I actually prefer an IPS in a laptop over an OLED and it was part of the reason I exchanged a laptop last year for an IPS one. I just could not stand the reflectiveness of the OLED (as I'm mostly working on the go - that's what a laptop is for at the end of the day). Tried to put on one of those matte screen protectors but that was a horrible decision as white areas looked complete ass.
Much much happier with the IPS panel now. It's brighter, actually matte without distortion and the battery lasts almost double...but that's rather to the superior AMD compared to the previous Arrow lake 255h.
I have QLED and it works wonderfully. I really like it.
QLED is LCD with LED backlight, not OLED
I know. Just saying
I have 0LED, that means no light. I don't like the dark.
I would still pick oled (i can't afford both)
Best is mini led now - best of both the worlds
Slightly worse contrast, better brightness, no burn in risk, and cheaper than OLED. Got an TCL with QD-MiniLED and I'm very happy with it.
Right now in laptops it's the worst of both worlds lol. The dimming zones are too less in number to make a difference. Unless you have one with the option to turn them off which makes it a regular LCD
I even would go so far as to say the only MiniLED laptop worth purchasing is one from the Macbook lineup
Not sure am on Asus ROG Strix and the display looks near to my MacBook Pro m1 14 inch - the main difference is the Matt vs glossy display
All the people with IPS showing hate towards OLED bcz they can't afford it 🤡
still, both are cute
You guys should read this one fable from Aesop called "The Fox and the Grapes", maybe youll see how stupid you actually look then
"The grapes are sour" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 r/beatmetoit
Proved by a meme?
Every IPS after 0 days:
https://preview.redd.it/okt3xbs1s7dg1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=48bbff32bb02bb2fcc4583c2922731fb22ecad41
OLED is the future, not IPS.
But my 7 yesr old iPhone xs has oled and no issue till now !
And IPS dead pixel 🤣, no but no issue with all oled I had
Modern OLED is much more reliable than IPS monitors, burn in is not that much of an issue anymore
The problem is not only the burn ins but also longevity. Lenovo only claims 4-6 years of longevity on their OLEDs while they claim 10+ years with IPS screens. And OlED is organic losing properties along its lifetime....
Mini led is the way
I have an LG CX still rocking
My favorite though was newly proved shill Caleb Denison, announcing that he thinks it's totally fine if manufacturers intentionally dim and otherwise hobble your display through updates over the years, without directly informing you or obtaining consent. He literally tried the gaslighting claim that doing this offers no financial benefit to the company. Yeah, not when people find out.
every led degrades. IPS just as mich as the tiny oled ones. Its just the whole screen that gets darker instead of single pixels. This meme is technically wrong
I don't see any problems, i am pretty sure that after 5 years my laptop would either die or become outdated anyway.
Honestly it’s not that bad
I also don’t full blast my oled brightness so I dunno actually
I would say the opposite. Standalone monitors can be used for even 10 years or more, but a laptop screen will become useless if the laptop itself is getting too old/weak. While I used OLEDs and still chose IPS for my monitors an OLED laptop would be a deal for me if they weren't so expensive. The only downside is that if the laptop burned in its prime it would be problematic, but that's unrealistic nowadays
Looks at OP's flair
Post checks out.
I mean understandable but people who buy oled can buy another every year. So we don’t worry about that. We just enjoy our superior tech
OP is still living under a rock. OLED displays today are different from 10years ago. Many things have improved. Technology matures.
Yeah, if device meant to be on use a lot of time, much longer than 2-3 years, than IPS is better, and if it has OLED, than it requires some limitations on use, for example not to leave it with static picture on maximum brightness for a long time. Yes, IPS has not deep black, but really, I'm not doing something in complete darkness on my devices, so I barely notice the difference between my laptop IPS and my phone OLED (rog phone 5s)
Swapping from IPS to OLED on my laptop is the best thing I've done in mobile computing for the last ten years
Really?
I just don't see the interest on having OLED on a Laptop
MiniLED has entered the chat.
No laptop of mine survived 5 years
ips has terrible contrast, the benefit is viewing angles
most laptop screens arent ips theyre "ips like"
These high end tn panels that are rebranded, have nothing on my lenovo oled which hits 1000nits peak brightness, where youre stuck at 250nits
Ive just started to use my old laptop from 2014 with an IPS screen and it just works without an issue
This is for TV's, but still:
So, overall, what should you look for and what should you avoid when shopping for a new TV? Well, despite the small chance of burn-in, OLEDs tend to last the longest and experience the fewest issues of any display technology. LED TVs tend to break faster, especially thin edge-lit models or entry-level models with a direct backlight, so look for full-array models instead, as these tend to have the fewest issues. Price isn't an issue, so don't worry about getting a cheaper model or something from a lesser-known brand. Those models may have more early issues due to less intensive quality assurance at the factory, an issue this test didn't explore, but if you get a good unit, it should last you for many years.
Regarded
Not saying its impossible at all but its becoming very unlikely. Laptops have ABL just like OLED monitors/TVs. As long as you arent staring at your desktop at 500 nits+, and have your laptop screen open 8+ hours nonstop (99% of people close their lids to sleep during daily use).
And in addition most users use monitors at less than 250 nits under office lighting. If you are shooting above that, as long as you are a little conscious of the obvious, you will be fine.
OEMs put a ton of limits on OLED to make them dummy proof.
Oh and just a reminder smartphones are OLED and faaaaaar brighter and abused than laptops which eliminates 99% of arguments you people who try make OLED bad.
Уже не актуально.
These laptops can last 5 years?
Nah.
Oled only turns that way if it's on 24/7 without pixel refreshes etc.
Well OLED itself is more expensive so of course its much better. Idk why people here fighting, like the price already justify itself lmao
Just admit youre too poor to buy an proper Oled <3
VA enjoyer here
Yea... No
Lol. Surely a joke post? Let's pretend this is true. How many people are really keeping their laptops that long? Especially for gaming, when almost all of them have very little upgradeability.
I have a legion9 and I'm not even kidding it's probably 2 years old and already had a giant purple burn in. It's also never left open and on, brightness never above 70-75%. I take care of my stuff. I have a LG CX OLED TV that's 5-6 years old with 0 burn in but this laptop makes me never want an OLED product again.
Got a master baiter over here.
Gaming laptop is not holding 5 years anyway
Why are OLED laptop screens such a controversial topic when we have had tablets and phones with OLED screens for many years without issues.
Think of all the Samsung devices out there rocking OLEDs without issues.
I use ips on my laptop cause I use it in my work truck. But thinking about switching to mini led cause ips isnt bright enough
I mean, if you buy a laptop with an Oled screen, there is a large chance that you would have owned at least another laptop before that issue manifest itself
ips + 100% contrast is Diabolical
If you can afford an oped gaming laptop it most likely wont get to the 5 years mark before an upgrade.
It is. If you want nice colours, buy external monitor (which, quite frankly, you should have at home anyway because using computer without at least two monitors is pure suffering). The in-built one (as it: HARD to replace one) should be long lasting, with factors like contrast, colours or refresh rate being secondary (and let's be honest, even 18" laptops don't need 4k screens - i use mine in 1200p mode and it's perfectly fine, but i'd take 1440p is that was an option). I use my laptops for 6+ years. The screen should be able to work a decade without replacing. IPS does exactly that. OLED? Not really.
Also, glossy screens on laptops should be illegal.
Clever
Take so ass I had to read twice to understand what's going on
Right but they’re different cats though!!!! You can’t make a direct comparison.
I’m not keeping a gaming laptop for 5 years
But OLED screen is too bad for eyes. I’ll never this OLED for long time watching
Haha so true. OLED looks amazing at first but that burn in is no joke if you keep your laptop for more than a couple years. IPS is just way more reliable for a daily driver.
Just don't have it on the same screen constantly?
IPS Monitor 240hz, 83” G4 OLED for home entertainment lol.
I like cat being your example
Dude it’s 2026 this hasn’t been true for years
IPS is objectively better than AMOLED/OLED because it's immune to burn-in issues!
i differ i have alot of broken leds
I have an pricey oled laptop legion it Has 5060 64 GB ddr5 5800mghz ram and ryzen 8450hx (IT is by hybrid) i paid for it 5300 PLN ~1800$ it was cheaper than normal beacuse pepole didn't liked oleds and i love it IT is so good i don't need montion blur itd i just care for it like IT is trurning off monitor after one minute do oled os the best for gaming i had a legion ops laptop too
Me seeing this after buying an OLED legion laptop 🥲
I love OLED TVs and I have a big one for my living room. But, for computer screens, I’ll take a quality IPS every time.
As if anyone would keep a gaming laptop for 5 years and not have upgraded.
guys 😭 u r scaring me. just 3 days ago i booked oled laptop. it didn't had ips option some. plz tell me tricks and tips to keep my oled burn in free
trying original super amoled not fake oled , also ips trash any one games on that must be broken af in life
It's not that bad. I have Samsung a6 phone back from 2018 and it shows normal colours.
mini led is ideal >
I've had a lot of OLED laptops and never ran into any issues with burn in.
But I get this was ragebait, and I'm taking the bait anyway.
If you had "a lot" when OLED Laptops have only been a thing for 10 years then you never get to the point of having an issue.
Its like saying "I never did an oil change" well sure if you are buying new vehicles every year or two and don't drive much then you would likely be able to never see an issue from that.
So I get what you are saying here, but I have also had a lot of OLED displays in general that have been around a long time and I manage a fleet of laptops for work that are all OLED and haven't had any issues for years while often being used for static content with things like taskbars being on screen at all times.
The point is not that OLED doesn't burn in as easy as people think because of protections that have been put in place, we aren't driving them as hard, there is pixel shifting, etc...
The only time I did have an OLED burn in was my 48 inch LG C1 that I used as a monitor and abused with a lot of static elements, and it took a full year to show any signs of burn in at all.
Rtings also did a lot of testing and has found that OLED displays usually last longer than LED backlit displays, often times the LED's fail before burn in would become a big issue on the OLEDs. (https://www.tomshardware.com/monitors/televisions/three-year-test-shows-oled-is-significantly-more-reliable-than-lcd-with-most-lasting-more-than-10-000-hours-20-tvs-failed-out-of-102-tested)
The real point is that people shouldn't be scared of OLED except in very specific circumstances. The bigger issue is using one that isn't meant for your use case, don't use a TV as a monitor, it doesn't have the same protections, they pixel shift less, they don't dim the corners of the display to reduce static game UI elements from burning in, etc...
At this point the main use case for LED/IPS/LCD/whatever displays is more for super super high sustained brightness or situations where there are only static elements in place like signage.
If you had a lot again it's highly likely you are removing any potential issue with moving on so quickly. Which is fine if you are going to upgrade that often then it makes sense to not worry about it.
Did you read the response? I said I manage a fleet of them lol, none of them have had issues and we don't replace laptops unless it's needed quite badly.
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bro said IPS superior than OLED, and gave no justification lmao. At least learn how to rage bait properly so that people actually engage. 2/10 max
I don't see modern oleds not lasting for at least 10 years on gaming laptops as they don't get to 1000 nits of brightness for normal usage oled TVs start to visually worsen after five years because they get very bright
really? Tell that to my 9yo LG living room TV.
The new generation Zephyrus G16s have a peak brightness of 1100 nits so OLED panels are starting to get that bright for laptops, from this generation onwards at least
but will you always be using it at that brightness
Ofc not that's only for HDR content anyway, SDR is likely 500~ nits
I'll take an IPS over an OLED any day. I prefer longevity and not having to baby my screen.
Eh you do you chief but i can't stand those terrible light leaks when even anything is slightly black
https://preview.redd.it/5tsryf7cf4dg1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b2af5fdc9b6f128c3841beb491ec1143cb71f812
Can also see more details thanks to oled
Will certainly do! Enjoy!
OLED is vulnerable under heat, right? Gaming laptop's screen got hot or warm, every time, and combined with a long gaming session, it's a perfect combo to invite burn in. Don't think OLED monitor's durability is the same as OLED gaming laptop monitor's durability, monitors lasted longer because they don't receive hot air or far away from the proximity of CPU and GPU which reached 80+ c in typical gaming sessions. I'm not saying OLED is bad, OLED is beautiful, but never compare OLED monitor's durability with OLED gaming laptop's durability.
If you want to play heavy games on a gaming laptop for a long session many times over, I'd suggest you get an IPS or Mini LED, but never OLED, OLED is very vulnerable to burn in under such condition, otherwise Lenovo would put OLED burn in as part of their standard warranty on their gaming laptops, if they're really confident in their OLED laptops' durability.
so do all monitors bro
Yeah, monitors will have burn in too, but gaming laptops got the worst case scenario, heat is a normal thing for a gaming laptop's monitor, it gets hotter than a desktop monitor. Many people think OLED gaming laptop's durability is the same as OLED monitor, it isn't. Get an OLED monitor if you want to game with OLED on your laptop.
I can tell you my aw3225qf gets hotter than my legion 5 pro display did
Idk what you're on about but NO laptop screen gets hot/warm during usage 💀💀 Forget 80, the CPU could be hitting 100 C and still the display wont be affected. At all.
Issue can arise if you keep the lid down because a little bit of heat might be escaping from the keyholes of the keyboard and you dont want to trap it.
It's get hotter than desktop monitor. It's a simple logic. The hot air that came out of gaming laptops will hit the monitor. Let me ask you a simple question, why doesn't Lenovo put OLED burn in as part of their standard warranty? Do you think that's because they don't confident in their OLED durability or are you going to defend the company?
Man you clearly don't know a thing about your own argument.
You seem to be under the impression that burn-in is heat related. It's not.
Laptop monitors do not get noticeably hotter than desktop monitors. Laptops exhaust heat AWAY from the laptop, not up towards the screen. You are correct that a little of that warm air will recirculate but it's definitely negligible. You'd have to have the monitor like a half inch away or less from the exhaust to have any meaningful damage from heat.
Most manufacturers don't include stuck pixel warranties on monitors by default anymore these days either. This isn't the "gotcha" you think it is. Some manufacturers do, some don't. It's as simple as that. Isn't related to the form factor.
I don't really get it, OLED users are the same as mac users, they're annoying as fuck. I simply tried to warn, I'm not saying OLED is bad, and you even defended a company, which is a bad thing and that's the worst thing about capitalism. I will not argue with you, you believe what you wanted to believe. Imagine saying OLED should be covered by standard warranty is a bad thing. OLED monitors have warranty by the way, Lenovo should have put warranty on their OLED laptops, if they're really confident, there's no reason to not put them into the standard warranty.
No, you didn't.
Show where I defended a company.
No one said that.
You live in a different world if you can get ANY of those statements out of what I said. Like you legitimately have to ADD so much to my comment to get that out of it.
Knowledge>logic
Ain't nobody using the same gaming laptop for 5 years
And for those who are, I guarantee you that 10 other parts will stop working before your monitor