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Neat, I wasn't aware it was still used, but it makes perfect sense here. Old method books like my copy of Syncopation have it, and I know others do. I'm unsure if they've revised it since the percussion clef came along, whenever that was ( "||", centered on the staff and ending in the middle of the two center spaces, for those reading along). Edit for ignorance
Percussion clef is typically used for snares and other drums that don’t have notes. Like bass drums in marching band/drum corps use a staff so you know which bass is playing. However a bass drum in a band or orchestra uses the percussion clef bc there is only one.
And you'll see it on charts for drum kit. Now, as you may well know (more or less for record, here), set notation is only officially suggested, often relying on a legend when transcriptions are involved, but conventions have pretty much settled into a de facto standard over the past fifty years, if not an outright one in many cases. "X" notes, which indicate indefinite pitch, are used for cymbals and cowbells and such.
Speaking of those, I was listening to "It's Not My Fault" (Renee Rapp) the other day, and thought, "she's singing X notes, isn't she?" I looked up the sheet music somewhere, and sure enough, the copyist had a handful of X's scattered around her vocals, at various points of the staff roughly equivalent to the pitch. Having scratched that itch, I listened to the rest for what it was
:)
I actually read this joke as intended for a second because Im a violist and am used to reading alto where that would be an an F3. Alas due to treble cleff it is actually an E4.
That brings back memories of learning Piano and Cello whilst getting constantly bamboozled by the tenor, alto, and treble cleffs 24/7. Researching how the cleffs came to be in the first place. Getting irrationally mad that the cleffs don't make sense. Then growing up and realizing that it's just a language I have to learn and by practicing a few times a day I'll learn it in no time at all.
Has anyone actually made a revised modern cleff btw? I know there were a few scams/misguided tech-bros who failed miserably after barking up a tree that didn't even exist, but has a linguist with a musical history background actually had a try at reinventing the cleff?
I only ask cause I recently saw a linguist try to solve English through multiple different methods and ideas (actually kinda makes me curious about switching up my informal writing) so it'd be interesting if a similar enthusiast has looked at musical notation.
Clefs seem irrational at first- but they serve their purpose. They exist so thst instruments dont have to read above or below the staff super often. Funnily enough the few instruments that are in awkward ranges to where they would have to read above or below in any clef often simpy transpose the staff to where they dont have to- in a way that is a reinvention of the clef- its just instead of actuslly using a different a different clef we notate "Horn in F" for example. A "Horn in F" Sounds notes a perfect fifth below what they actually read. When they read what would normally be middle C (C4) sounds like pitch F3. This also means they read no accidentals when theyre actually playing a piece in F Major. They still often call the note they read C too, even though its F, because its read in the position C is in for normal instrument. If youve ever played with winds or brass players and the orchestra director is asking them "whats the concert pitch?" Theyre asking what that note ACTUALLY is instead of what theyre reading. This seems like unnecessary complication, but, again, it allows them to read music in their register without cludgy looking ledger lines, it also has an interesting side effect as a lot of instruments within the same family transpose in such a manner to where the fingerings are same/similar from one instruments to another so despite being in different ranges, its not SUPER difficult to switch fron say Clarinet to Oboe for example.
That actually had never been explained to me before.
Actually make a lot of sense now.
And yeah, once you learn it, it's not a problem. I definitely understand why it hasn't changed ever though, I don't think it actually would be possible to "fix" the clefs now that I know they're required for transpositions!
Its funny, the old of way of doing clefs- just moving an alto clef to designate where middle c is basically just a different way of notating a transpotition. But transposing instruments are definitely- although still common, not the norm. The clefs developed in the positions they did because it was the most conveient for the most amount of instrumental ranges. For most high instruments treble is fine- most low ones, same with bass. And unless youre a violist or maybe in choir-- you dont use alto lol. For those usecases tho alto does make the most sense as well
I was doing an in class counterpoint exercise in grad school. I wrote it out and gave the professor my excerpt. He looks at it and was like “this is a good start but the inner voices make no sense because [yatta yatta yatta]” and he could see the confusion on my face. “Wait. I wrote those in alto and tenor clef. Sorry.”
Could've been done I guess, but to most laymen the alto/tenor clef looks like a rune or a tribal symbol that has ten meanings with nine incorrect ones. Heck, the bass clef is barely known outside of music....
I'm not musical. My brain just assumed the sensor beep sound used in tv to cover swears. Am I in the ball park or did I miss the whole game with this guess?
My note reading skills are existent but bad enough that my brain went:
-hahha it says what the F
-so that’s the line an F is on huh
-But if G is the second lowest, wouldn’t that mean F should be between the lines?
-checks comments
Just about my exact reaction! My music classes were great as far as public elementary school is concerned, and all the mnemonics were drilled in my head for treble and bass clef (I didn't play high strings or brass, so I stopped there). But I didn't pay the greatest attention as I stared into the closet where the drums were kept while we weren't allowed to touch them, so all that came into play as I did a double (treble?) take when I saw this thing scroll by.
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WHAT THE E
They were so close.
Next time B#
anyone who says "B sharp" should be bopped on the ear
hehe
I mean, an E augmented chord would be E G# B#… yes I know… ☝️🤓
That's something for the microtonal guitars with the Lego frets.
you're right and you should say it
C flat, maybe?
C natural.
Soooo it’s “B hashtag”??? Instructions unclear🫡🫡
That might make them be flat.
Fuck you, take my upvote
E
And some of us yell at the kids for 6-7
ah
culture I thought had been lost has resurfaced
Someone didn’t remember Every Good Boy Does Fine or FACE from music class.
We used to say Every Good Boy Deserves Fucking, but same dif.
I stuck a flute up my 😻 at band camp.
🤣🤣🤣 I was on the drumline
Percussion literature used to use the bass clef, so...gotta find something tawdry for ACEG.
Tympani still does use bass clef but the keyboards use both clefs.
Neat, I wasn't aware it was still used, but it makes perfect sense here. Old method books like my copy of Syncopation have it, and I know others do. I'm unsure if they've revised it since the percussion clef came along, whenever that was ( "||", centered on the staff and ending in the middle of the two center spaces, for those reading along). Edit for ignorance
Percussion clef is typically used for snares and other drums that don’t have notes. Like bass drums in marching band/drum corps use a staff so you know which bass is playing. However a bass drum in a band or orchestra uses the percussion clef bc there is only one.
And you'll see it on charts for drum kit. Now, as you may well know (more or less for record, here), set notation is only officially suggested, often relying on a legend when transcriptions are involved, but conventions have pretty much settled into a de facto standard over the past fifty years, if not an outright one in many cases. "X" notes, which indicate indefinite pitch, are used for cymbals and cowbells and such.
Speaking of those, I was listening to "It's Not My Fault" (Renee Rapp) the other day, and thought, "she's singing X notes, isn't she?" I looked up the sheet music somewhere, and sure enough, the copyist had a handful of X's scattered around her vocals, at various points of the staff roughly equivalent to the pitch. Having scratched that itch, I listened to the rest for what it was :)
I actually read this joke as intended for a second because Im a violist and am used to reading alto where that would be an an F3. Alas due to treble cleff it is actually an E4.
At least this treble clef starts on F instead of G. Could be some preliminary stage of putting more F to it all.
That brings back memories of learning Piano and Cello whilst getting constantly bamboozled by the tenor, alto, and treble cleffs 24/7. Researching how the cleffs came to be in the first place. Getting irrationally mad that the cleffs don't make sense. Then growing up and realizing that it's just a language I have to learn and by practicing a few times a day I'll learn it in no time at all.
Has anyone actually made a revised modern cleff btw? I know there were a few scams/misguided tech-bros who failed miserably after barking up a tree that didn't even exist, but has a linguist with a musical history background actually had a try at reinventing the cleff?
I only ask cause I recently saw a linguist try to solve English through multiple different methods and ideas (actually kinda makes me curious about switching up my informal writing) so it'd be interesting if a similar enthusiast has looked at musical notation.
Clefs seem irrational at first- but they serve their purpose. They exist so thst instruments dont have to read above or below the staff super often. Funnily enough the few instruments that are in awkward ranges to where they would have to read above or below in any clef often simpy transpose the staff to where they dont have to- in a way that is a reinvention of the clef- its just instead of actuslly using a different a different clef we notate "Horn in F" for example. A "Horn in F" Sounds notes a perfect fifth below what they actually read. When they read what would normally be middle C (C4) sounds like pitch F3. This also means they read no accidentals when theyre actually playing a piece in F Major. They still often call the note they read C too, even though its F, because its read in the position C is in for normal instrument. If youve ever played with winds or brass players and the orchestra director is asking them "whats the concert pitch?" Theyre asking what that note ACTUALLY is instead of what theyre reading. This seems like unnecessary complication, but, again, it allows them to read music in their register without cludgy looking ledger lines, it also has an interesting side effect as a lot of instruments within the same family transpose in such a manner to where the fingerings are same/similar from one instruments to another so despite being in different ranges, its not SUPER difficult to switch fron say Clarinet to Oboe for example.
Ah!
That actually had never been explained to me before.
Actually make a lot of sense now.
And yeah, once you learn it, it's not a problem. I definitely understand why it hasn't changed ever though, I don't think it actually would be possible to "fix" the clefs now that I know they're required for transpositions!
Its funny, the old of way of doing clefs- just moving an alto clef to designate where middle c is basically just a different way of notating a transpotition. But transposing instruments are definitely- although still common, not the norm. The clefs developed in the positions they did because it was the most conveient for the most amount of instrumental ranges. For most high instruments treble is fine- most low ones, same with bass. And unless youre a violist or maybe in choir-- you dont use alto lol. For those usecases tho alto does make the most sense as well
This has been a music theory flustercluck
I fucking love music theory
I was doing an in class counterpoint exercise in grad school. I wrote it out and gave the professor my excerpt. He looks at it and was like “this is a good start but the inner voices make no sense because [yatta yatta yatta]” and he could see the confusion on my face. “Wait. I wrote those in alto and tenor clef. Sorry.”
“What instrument do you play?”
“Trombone”
“Ah. Please rewrite this like a sane person”
LMAO
Could've been done I guess, but to most laymen the alto/tenor clef looks like a rune or a tribal symbol that has ten meanings with nine incorrect ones. Heck, the bass clef is barely known outside of music....
It would've been a sharp joke, but it fell flat…
I'll see myself out.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DPi6YMujYdO
Unable to write between the lines? Go for another bar.
Then they could’ve just put it at f5
I second that.
/upvotesangrily
So close…
Yet so-fa
sol-fa
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bandmemes/s/zi3kRYMS6g
.... goddammit
I'm not musical. My brain just assumed the sensor beep sound used in tv to cover swears. Am I in the ball park or did I miss the whole game with this guess?
They meant to put the note on the F space, but they put it on the E line instead, so the shirt reads, “What the E?” Instead of “What the F?”
Ah, thank you. I was way off, like this shirt.
Thank you I was so confused
I think the pitch varies depending on the producer or editor's mood.
Generally a broadcast standard censor tone is is a 1000 hz sine wave, which is most similar to a B5.
Maybe they were trying to say "what the trouble gee?
Because treble and AIed the wrong answer for G?
Nonono... I think it's worse.
I think they are trying to say "What the helly"
Half E?
Ah yes, 1/8 time, my favorite time signature
What the quaver!
Either if the intention was Fa or F it's out of tune
What the music
My note reading skills are existent but bad enough that my brain went:
-hahha it says what the F -so that’s the line an F is on huh -But if G is the second lowest, wouldn’t that mean F should be between the lines? -checks comments
Just about my exact reaction! My music classes were great as far as public elementary school is concerned, and all the mnemonics were drilled in my head for treble and bass clef (I didn't play high strings or brass, so I stopped there). But I didn't pay the greatest attention as I stared into the closet where the drums were kept while we weren't allowed to touch them, so all that came into play as I did a double (treble?) take when I saw this thing scroll by.
What the treble clef quaver?!
Nah GTBAmazing Execution. 100% would wear as a nerdy band kid.
I would certainly agree with something like this:
https://www.teepublic.com/t-shirt/16639073-what-the-f-note-key-music-humor-gift
See that seems more tacky in the wrong direction, but closer to what i’d wear as an adult now. Teen me would’ve loved the nerdy 90s vibe of this one.
I guess I misunderstand. You'd wear the incorrect one on purpose?
When I was a teenager, 100%