• Civilians carrying weapons and start shooting when a mass shooting begins does sound much worse to be honest.

    How would law enforcers know which one is the perpetrator in the chaos?

    If Uvalde told us anything, probably by letting them sort it out themselves

    Based on Uvalde, law enforcers would stand outside doing nothing while children get murdered.

    Based on Uvalde, law enforcers would stand outside doing nothing while the sound of children screaming has beed removed.

    Not actually editing you, but I felt that this alternate comment was apt.

    Even ignoring law enforcement, how would other “good guys with a gun” know which are the criminals and which are the other good guys with a gun?

    It’s not a video game, they aren’t carrying different colors and friendly fire is turned on.

    Via the simple and easy process of "Everyone who isn't me needs to die"

    It's easy. If they're not white. Then they're obviously the perpetrators.

    This is actually a significant factor in why law enforcement often approach even the most innocuous events (like a traffic violation) with extreme caution and 'fear for their lives" - when any random citizen can be, and likely is, armed with a gun, they feel their life is (unnecessarily) in danger.

    Double edge sword the whole 1.5 guns per person in the US is

    Yes, but the important part is that it would never have taken a whole 11 minutes for there to be 12 dead and 30 injured.

    But you ignore all the other gun deaths for the rest of the time. Dumbass merican logic.

    If the shooters had automatic rifles there would have been even more deaths.

    The only solution is gun control.

    ye, you definitely misunderstood what I said. The implication is that it would have taken a shorter amount of time to reach the same amount of death/injured.

  • Australia has had 2 mass shootings this year.

    The US has had 400 plus.

    Yeah, I mean that would be right on part with what they said.

    Europe has none

    And Europe has a much larger population.

    "Europe" is also comprised of many different countries.

  • wait, isn't that an article from the onion?

    They made the first one in 2014, after the Isla Vista shooting by Eliot Rodgers. The redaction of The Onion decided to keep the article and only change a few details every time there was a new major shooting, to reduce the toll on their writers, and add more weight to their message

    After Uvalde school shooting, they covered the entire front page with different versions of the "No way to prevent this" articles. The simple fact that they have enough different versions of it to make this is blood chilling

    Everytime it happens yes

  • "These type of attacks" is a pretty big, vague expression to ask A.I. about.

    Not surprised Grok didn't know how to answer that.

    But just confirming the fucking date is still funny af.

    Agreed, like it’s such a fucked up topic and then Grok just chimes in saying, yes, the date is December 14, 2025 according to a reliable source. Grok provided the comedic relief.

  • … You know, the US has a lot of guns, and a lot of mass shootings. Yet I haven’t actually ever head of that occurring. I can’t recall having heard a story about a mass shooting stopped by some random civilian with a gun, either. But I’d have expected to. Why?

    Surely, people with guns run from danger just like anyone, and would probably not take unnecessary risks beyond immediate self-defense or defense of a loved one. That might be it. But still, more than 400 mass shootings this year. Surely some were stopped by regular citizens. And surely of that subset there’s been at least one case of mistaken identity, no? If not this year then the year before? Or in the past decade? Does it happen and then just not get picked up by the news??

    It has happened on numerous occasions, but not nearly to the extent that people think arming everyone in sight would do.

    There was one incident where there was a shooting at a mall. A former (black) soldier happened to be there (good guy with a gun), and shot the shooter before he could kill anyone else. Cops showed up and killed the good guy with a gun.

    Their fantasy only works when it's a white good guy with a gun. A black good guy with a gun looks like a bad guy with a gun and gets shot like one.

    Good-guy-with-a-gun Matt Alder, in Salt Lake City, believed he was stopping a potential mass shooting during their No Kings protest last summer. Instead he ended up shooting and killing an innocent bystander, and he is now facing manslaughter charges.

  • grok what are calendars

    Yes that’s correct, today is December 14th.

    According to reliable sources.

  • Oh please, with that “if someone else had a gun it would have been over”. Mass shootings in the US are a ho-hum basically daily occurrence and not one time has someone else with a gun moved to stop it. And if there has been, it’s not ever made national news.

    It’s even funnier considering there was an unarmed civilian who successfully disarmed one of the shooters in this attack by sneaking up behind him when he was taking a shot (unfortunately the shooter got back up with the other shooter and grabbed a spare gun, but that civilian almost certainly saved at least one person’s life). I think I’ve heard a lot of stories of people doing similar things in US shootings, but never have I heard a story of a civilian with a gun taking down the shooter.

    In the 5500 some odd mass shootings we’ve had in the last decade, I can’t say I’ve heard even one being stopped by an armed bystander.

    I’ve been on this world for 44 years, and have lived on “the wrong side of the tracks” my whole life. There was a man shot dead in his driveway in broad daylight at the end of my street (apparently old gang beef, dude was reformed and clean/sober and in his 50s, and was giving another friend a haircut at the time) and I still don’t feel the need to arm myself for “everyday” purposes. I know how to shoot rifles, and used to sit on the roof of the barn (where I boarded my horse and did training) during hog season with my trainer’s husband and one of his friends to hunt the hogs that threatened our horses and destroyed our pastures. I’ve hunted deer (we are overrun with whitetails due to the gross overcrowding that’s been going on here for the last decade or two) which we processed ourselves and donated to food banks and shelters. I did once own a pistol (a 0.380), and the only time I carried it anywhere was to the woods or the range to learn to use it. My ex bought it for me, and I sold it after we divorced (pawned it and my wedding set as “useless metal” and exchanged it for “useful metal” which was a new flute and saxophone).

    I count my blessings that I’ve never been mugged or attacked in the street, but I have been robbed at gunpoint at work and sexually assaulted by trusted friends and even by an employer. Having a gun on me at any of those times would be useless, as my trauma/fear response is to freeze and fawn (which I didn’t know until put into those situations, always considered myself a fighter, as I do apparently fight like a rabid wolverine when semiconscious/incapacitated).

    Definitely wasn’t using an AR to hunt, but a 30.06 bolt action. Like I mentioned earlier, pistol was just “for fun” and stayed in its case secured with a trigger lock, and I don’t even have kids or anything like that. “Gun culture” is stupid and a waste of money IMHO. The people I know with gun hordes never use them, not even to hunt or go to the range. They sit in shiny gun safes just to be shown off to guests.

    We recently had an employee at my job “lose it”; she’s mentally ill and I hope she’s getting help (she was fired, as her histrionics in the office were pretty, well, insane), and everyone was terrified because she is known to keep a gun in her glovebox. Even the couple of folks who work there who are “loud and proud” about “carrying” were quaking in their Jimmy Choos. Don’t the guns make them feel safe in situations like that?

    I digress. To each their own (everyone needs a hobby), but I don’t believe everyone needs guns “just in case”. I don’t want to live somewhere where people feel the need to have a cache of weapons available at all times, and I’d love to gtfo but no hope of that.

  • Don’t have these types of attacks in the US very often…

    We keep things inside… in the schools!!

  • This is why we don't often have these types of attacks in the US? Seriously? There are mass shootings in the US almost every week. Since when have any of them been stopped by a "good guy with a gun"?

    This is the first mass shooting in Australia in 30 years.

  • There are two options, woke and identifying Elon as potentially the world's greatest piss drinker, or lobotomized.

    Nothing in between.

  • The venn diagram of people who have made >50% of their personality “guns, mkay” and people who are visibly obsessed with the idea of being a cuck, is basically just a circle that was retraced.

  • At least it didn't go off on "white genocide" again.