I don't mind it if it's at one of the top 20ish places in the city. It's the ones in the "regular shop" that tick me off, the Lunettas and Little Italys.
The article is about how pizza prices have dramatically increased. The proliferation of high end slices and “fancy” pizza places is part of the reason for that.
Sure their existence encourages upward movement from the mid-range slices, but you can't tell me a slice of Famiglia is the same as L'Industrie. The article is supposedly about the average daily slices, are you going to L'Industrie every day? (Bad sub to ask that Q lol)
No, because I'm not wasting that much time waiting in line!
Meanwhile the tacos are Los Tacos #1 are similarly priced, and I actually could see myself going there on a daily basis, at least if I had one closer to me anyway. Their line isn't nearly so bad.
that's "high end"? the reason you exclude $1-$1.5 slices is because that shouldn't even be considered real nyc pizza...it's shitty cheese only cardboard slices you eat while drunk
I’ve had a 1.50 slice a few weeks ago and it was extremely disappointing. Not like it was even a few years ago. I miss the days for 2 slices and a can for 5.00
I think it's because the shops who can afford to do a 1.50 slice now don't have to worry about making a quality 1.50 slice since there's so little competition at that price point and people will excuse any issues as "it's such a good deal". People are so desperate for cheap pizza they'll serve you some saucy tissue paper. The only 1.50 slice I still enjoy comes from 2Bros.
2bros dollar slice is still pretty decent but yea a lot of these dollar pizzas use cheap sourced ingredients the quality is bad and honestly you can tell if the pizza is shi by looking at it
K. Great. And generally the phrase "not that long ago," means a year or two, not a full decade. Most people recognize a decade is long enough for many things to change.
Usually the phrase “not that long ago” means a year or two ago? You must be very young, which is fine, but I’ll try to reiterate this simple point for you.
5x inflation over 12 years is insanely high, contrary to “a decade is enough for things to change.” Obviously things change over a decade, but not to the degree of 5x inflation, which is what everyone besides you is talking about.
You're claiming that the places you'd get 2 slices and a soda for 3$ in 2013 are now charging 15$ (5x) for it? That's absurd. This is like a $7.99 deal or thereabouts now for that same quality of pizza.
None of the legit places charging ~15$ for 2 slices and a soda today were offering a 3$ special, even if 12 years ago. Even back then that was the realm of mid quality pizza.
It's unbelievable, I walked into my local pizza joint recently and walked out after they rung me up for around 33 dollars for only 4 slices. I looked up at the menu to see the average price for a slice was $7-8 dollars, when not that long ago was only $3-4. I don't understand the extreme increase in prices in such a short period of time.
No, I thankfully order with no heat because I normally don't eat the slices right away, I reheat at home. But I shouldn't have to expect my local neighborhood restaurants to jack up their prices twice to what they were before.
The pizza slice is supposed to be a quick and affordable food option. Overpriced gimmick "gourmet" aside, a single slice should not cost $5, it totally defeats the point.
I understand the material conditions, especially in New York, that have lead to price increases, but passing the costs down to the consumer can only go so far before people just stop eating out altogether.
L'Industrie is a whole other category thanks to social media hype & demand. It's the generic place down the street warming up congealed slices for 5 bucks a pop that offends me.
I meant that they're in a category of high demand, thanks to social media hype + competent quality + limited availability/locations. Same thing happened to Scarr's, Joe's around Spider-Man, Prince Street/Bleecker street if I'm really time traveling. They could probably charge a lot more, frankly.
I despise thin crust pizza like that, all it means is I get to sit this trend out lol.
A portion of every slice goes to a land lord who doesn’t work. If we could just eliminate rentierism the real working people of New York would be much better off.
Also I remember back in the day toppings were like 50 cents+ so getting them never made sense to me. Pepperoni was at LEAST $2 a slice, maybe 2.25 and never worth it.
A gallon of milk also tracked with pizza and subway fare but that's a thing of the past too.
Food price inflation in general is absurd. The subway fare has only slightly outpaced inflation but a big reason it's in the state that it's in is because the fare was too low for too long until the last 30 years or so.
Think about what it means for a society in the long run where the powers that be ensure it’s still affordable to get around but not to get access to food.
My closest cheap slice shop still had their sign up for $1 slices some time ago, the menu said 1.50 and people got billed 2. Must have been a confusing week for new costumers…
Minimum wage is now $17. I’m not saying a cashier at a slice place should be paid lower, but these are the ramifications of that. and taxes and insurance and permits/licenses, etc.
They also need to exclude the proliferation of high end slices if they're going to leave out the 1.50 slices.
Sham journalism
Gothamist has been the landing point for transplants for years now and it shows badly.
They've taken a weird turn over the last year unfortunately
The high end slices have gotten ridiculous 6-7 for a slice with normal.ingrrdients - that's ~50/pie Insanity
Six-seven! 😆😆😆🤢🤮🤮
What does that even mean. How does it apply in this context. People just say it randomly
It is to be repeated by all until there is no one left to repeat it.
Touche
I don't mind it if it's at one of the top 20ish places in the city. It's the ones in the "regular shop" that tick me off, the Lunettas and Little Italys.
Or only compare to express bus fares. Hey look, it works again, ignoring most of the data.
The article is about how pizza prices have dramatically increased. The proliferation of high end slices and “fancy” pizza places is part of the reason for that.
Sure their existence encourages upward movement from the mid-range slices, but you can't tell me a slice of Famiglia is the same as L'Industrie. The article is supposedly about the average daily slices, are you going to L'Industrie every day? (Bad sub to ask that Q lol)
No, because I'm not wasting that much time waiting in line!
Meanwhile the tacos are Los Tacos #1 are similarly priced, and I actually could see myself going there on a daily basis, at least if I had one closer to me anyway. Their line isn't nearly so bad.
Damn right. Just compare subway fare to a legit slice shop slice. If you don’t know what that is I can’t help you.
lol joe's pizza is $4 a slice
that's "high end"? the reason you exclude $1-$1.5 slices is because that shouldn't even be considered real nyc pizza...it's shitty cheese only cardboard slices you eat while drunk
Snobbery aside, the conversation is about affordability. Like it or not, there’s lines out of every $1.50 shop all lunch time long.
$1.50 slice pizza are a hit or miss
They can either taste decent for a cheap lunch, or taste like burnt cardboard.
They are not universally bad
There are still random places that are 1.50, but it's wild getting an average of 4-6$ pizza slices too
I’ve had a 1.50 slice a few weeks ago and it was extremely disappointing. Not like it was even a few years ago. I miss the days for 2 slices and a can for 5.00
I think it's because the shops who can afford to do a 1.50 slice now don't have to worry about making a quality 1.50 slice since there's so little competition at that price point and people will excuse any issues as "it's such a good deal". People are so desperate for cheap pizza they'll serve you some saucy tissue paper. The only 1.50 slice I still enjoy comes from 2Bros.
I mourned the days of the mid-range pizza slice. At this pace, I’ll need to start making my own again.
2bros dollar slice is still pretty decent but yea a lot of these dollar pizzas use cheap sourced ingredients the quality is bad and honestly you can tell if the pizza is shi by looking at it
My last favorite 1.50 slice is on 43rd between 3rd and Lex, hasn't changed in at least a decade. I like a sweet sauce like Dani's sweet though.
Man, it wasn’t even that long ago you’d get two slices and a can for $3. I’m talking 2013 or so.
It’s absolutely insane how much prices have skyrocketed.
That's over a decade ago . . .
That’s right, good math work!
This might blow your mind, but 5x inflation over 12 years is actually not the norm! It’s insanely high, which is what I wrote.
2 Bros is only 50% more expensive than back then. While rent is 100% more expensive
And that's kind of the point and issue too, because what the fuck?
K. Great. And generally the phrase "not that long ago," means a year or two, not a full decade. Most people recognize a decade is long enough for many things to change.
Usually the phrase “not that long ago” means a year or two ago? You must be very young, which is fine, but I’ll try to reiterate this simple point for you.
5x inflation over 12 years is insanely high, contrary to “a decade is enough for things to change.” Obviously things change over a decade, but not to the degree of 5x inflation, which is what everyone besides you is talking about.
You're claiming that the places you'd get 2 slices and a soda for 3$ in 2013 are now charging 15$ (5x) for it? That's absurd. This is like a $7.99 deal or thereabouts now for that same quality of pizza.
None of the legit places charging ~15$ for 2 slices and a soda today were offering a 3$ special, even if 12 years ago. Even back then that was the realm of mid quality pizza.
Pizza Mercado lunch special got me through college
A lot of places used to have 2 slices and a soda for $2.50
It's unbelievable, I walked into my local pizza joint recently and walked out after they rung me up for around 33 dollars for only 4 slices. I looked up at the menu to see the average price for a slice was $7-8 dollars, when not that long ago was only $3-4. I don't understand the extreme increase in prices in such a short period of time.
Damn, even ceres the one always mentioned here for expensive is like 40-60~ for a whole pie. Though they don't do slices
You ordered without looking at the menu and then walked out on the tab after they prepared your order?
No, I thankfully order with no heat because I normally don't eat the slices right away, I reheat at home. But I shouldn't have to expect my local neighborhood restaurants to jack up their prices twice to what they were before.
I used to think 5$ a slice at di faras was criminal lol
The pizza slice is supposed to be a quick and affordable food option. Overpriced gimmick "gourmet" aside, a single slice should not cost $5, it totally defeats the point.
I understand the material conditions, especially in New York, that have lead to price increases, but passing the costs down to the consumer can only go so far before people just stop eating out altogether.
What are the alternatives to "passing the costs down to the consumer"?
Passing the costs onto yourself😆
Pizza has gotten absurdly expensive and I don't really even get a slice anymore. A pepperoni slice from a mid shop is like $8 now...the fuck?
I'll get a plaina a pepperoni and a soda, hand over a $20 and get $3 back.
I went to L’Industrie and paid $7+ per slice. It was great pizza but that’s a lot
L'Industrie is a whole other category thanks to social media hype & demand. It's the generic place down the street warming up congealed slices for 5 bucks a pop that offends me.
Whole other category because it’s delicious too though
🌈Food is subjective🌈
I meant that they're in a category of high demand, thanks to social media hype + competent quality + limited availability/locations. Same thing happened to Scarr's, Joe's around Spider-Man, Prince Street/Bleecker street if I'm really time traveling. They could probably charge a lot more, frankly.
I despise thin crust pizza like that, all it means is I get to sit this trend out lol.
everything comes down to rent slavery, bank slavery, debt slavery
life for the many destroyed by the few
Ding ding ding ding
A portion of every slice goes to a land lord who doesn’t work. If we could just eliminate rentierism the real working people of New York would be much better off.
Ok, then it can go to upkeep of the property and property taxes instead. TINSTAFL. There Is No Such Thing As Free Lunch.
LMAO. Right. My pizza cost $4, the world is ending.
Dollar slices aren't pizza.
I'm old enough to remember getting them for 1.50. Pep or extra cheese might be 1.75. You're spending $4 minimum on a regular cheese now.
Here here.
Also I remember back in the day toppings were like 50 cents+ so getting them never made sense to me. Pepperoni was at LEAST $2 a slice, maybe 2.25 and never worth it.
It’s actually “Hear, hear” …originally came from British parliament!
I still have a spot in Brooklyn that I can a slice of pizza for 1 dollar bill it’s not great but they do still exist
A gallon of milk also tracked with pizza and subway fare but that's a thing of the past too.
Food price inflation in general is absurd. The subway fare has only slightly outpaced inflation but a big reason it's in the state that it's in is because the fare was too low for too long until the last 30 years or so.
Think about what it means for a society in the long run where the powers that be ensure it’s still affordable to get around but not to get access to food.
My closest cheap slice shop still had their sign up for $1 slices some time ago, the menu said 1.50 and people got billed 2. Must have been a confusing week for new costumers…
Feels like private equity got involved and is supported by the kids who use their parents Amex to treat the city like Disneyland
You have conjecture and heresay to back up that statement. Those are types of evidence.
There’s still a couple dollar slice places around Penn station in midtown
I appreciate that slices from Stretch are $4 to $6, when slices from places in my neighborhood are hitting $5.
We need some standards for ingredients like flour. They will keep buying the cheapest ingredients at our expense
Minimum wage is now $17. I’m not saying a cashier at a slice place should be paid lower, but these are the ramifications of that. and taxes and insurance and permits/licenses, etc.
That means the subway should charge more.
Oh - you want sandwiches to be unaffordable too?
You'll get downvoted all day long, but the NYC subway is much cheaper than similar systems like London's.
So the solution is to make the fare $5.
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Plenty of these exist
Ask them what their rent is.
Go to Costco.
it's still cheaper than a subway fare ticket.