Hopefully Bethesda does their part to engage as well. Would love a remaster of 3 and/or new Vegas. Seemed like this was a missed chance to drop new Vegas
The prospect of trying to time stuff like that leaves way too much room for error. If it came out in mid-shape you'd be like "they shouldn't of rushed it just to line up with the show!". Let them work independently within their own industries and be happy with whatever timing crossover they can make happen, like the Ghoul being in 76,
I got an ad on Reddit for the Fallout games recently, playing off the hype of the show. I thought it was really interesting that the ad gave a summary of which game to play between 76, 4, NV, and Shelter, but didn’t mention 3 at all.
Crackpot theory, they don’t want people buying 3 right now because the 3 Remaster will come out soon and they want to point people towards that when it does.
Comitting to synchronized multimedia releases for such huge projects is always a huge gamble. It's a major factor in why the Pokemon franchise has seen such a stark decline in quality. Despite being an extremely small portion of the franchise's overall revenue, the games are the lynchpin of their entire multimedia ecosystem. It forces rigid and tight timelines that quickly become untenable. Game development timelines have ballooned while other mediums have remained comparatively stable. Getting things to line up neatly, especially repeatedly isn't realistic and leaves little to no room for error.
There might be some virtue in lighting a fire under their ass though, because we're on a single player Fallout hiatus bigger than what was between 2 and 3, and there's no sign of the drought improving any time soon.
There's all but complete confirmation of a 3 remaster Coming SoonTM, and I'd be willing to be New Vegas as well considering the setting of the show. There's also the countdown on Amazon's site to the end of this season which leads me to think they might outright announce just such a thing at that time
I'd definitely keep my expectations in check, but the Oblivion remaster was (officially) revealed and released on the same day, so it's not impossible. We also know the Fallout 3 remaster has at least been on the table (though not necessarily in active development) since 2020, so depending on if/when work started, the timeline is pretty reasonable.
I’m pretty sure they said in the past that remaking/master those games would require rebuilding them from the ground up. Even if they planned to do releases with the show, game dev takes a long time.
And even then I’d rather they release complete well made products than rushed soulless cash grabs. We know they’re coming. It’s just a matter of when
Since Elder Scrolls IV and Fallout 3/NV are all more or less running on the same engine, I’m guessing the recent Oblivion remaster is the expected level of quality, so that means blurring the lines between remaster and remake and re-rendering the entire game in Unreal Engine 5 with entirely new assets.
It sucks that we probably won’t have a remaster or a sequel in our hands by the time Season 3 is even out, but game development takes a lot more time than it used to, and as far as Bethesda doing anything themselves is concerned (Oblivion Remastered was outsourced to Virtuos), Todd Howard is not willing to get with the times and open new studios at BGS Maryland. He’s said before that he wants to work in a studio where he knows the names of everyone in the building, so he’s putting out AAA releases on indie manpower. Elder Scrolls VI will take a decade to make.
Fallout 3 and New Vegas are definently not running on the same engine as Skyrim. It's actually the same engine as Oblivion which is Gamebyro. So it's prone to the same issues as Oblivion. They'd need to massively overhaul the gameplay system simply because it's really dated. Like Doom was clearly designed to feel like the original Doom. But Fallout 3 was trying to be a FPS title with open gameplay similar to TES Oblivion was.
I'm betting on it being Conversion like mod for Fallout 4s engine or the same remaster as Oblivion. If they want to do it service, they'll just rebuild it using Fallout 4/Skyrim engine or the Starfield Engine.
For reference, holding onto old engines results in major performance problems with single core limitations and memory limitations. It's why Halo shifted away from BLAM! because it sucked at multi core tasks since it was designed for PowerPC and 32bit systems.
It amazes me how they're able to release like 30 different releases of Skyrim on like 10 consoles//mobile/VR/PC spanning 2/3 generations of tech but cant release a single Fallout remake.
I have a theory the show not running out of new vegas this season would be a waste, so they'll at least make one more season of new vegas and when that's over they'll give us fallout new vegas remastered instead the remastered of 3 I think will be released in a few months there is a countdown for February 4th if I'm not mistaken on an official fallout website and it is obvious that it is the shadow drop of fallout 3 remastered
I just hope that they pace themselves correctly. Too much time in the oven will give you a burnt product, too little time in the oven will give you a mushy mess.
As a 40 something year old who grew up playing Fallout, from the first to the last, I love the way Amazon is doing this.
I'm so burned out on having a season of a show releasing on the same day, having everyone binge watch it in a sitting and not being able to discuss or even read about anything online to avoid spoilers.
I have really missed waiting a week for the next episode of a show and being able to keep up with all the talk, details and theorizing going on around each individual episode for a week before the next one drops.
I never thought I'd say this, but its even kind of nice to have commercial breaks in shows again like the ones I get with basic Prime. I never realized how much they actually help a show flow in parts and give you a second to think about what just happened in an act.
Its probably just nostalgia because of my age, but I'm having a great time with the whole shebang.
Right, it certainly wont be out next January then, more like late next year. So not annually like op is suggesting, but about the best we can realistically expect.
Maybe not that late actually. Season 2 started filming just over a year before it aired, which included a delay in filming due to the Los Angeles fires last year.
So if we expect something similar for season 3, we could probably expect it to come out in the middle of next year.
I fully understand why game development timelines have gotten so absurd, but I don't see any reason why TV should be taking multiple years between seasons when it's clearly possible to do annual seasons.
Because they don't seem to greenlight a new season until the last season airs and gets good reviews. Amazon has fully committed to the show, S3 was greenlit when S2 was still being shot, which is basically unheard of.
If you assume it takes about 18 months to shoot and edit and do VFX and everything, it makes sense that it takes 2 years or more between seasons if they wait to start after a season airs.
That's a good point, but then what about shows like Pluribus? Apple bought 2 seasons right off the bat, yet they said there's gonna be like 2 years between seasons.
They seem to have waited until season 1 was airing until starting on the second. Rhea Seehorn did an interview recently where she said she had just visited the writers room to see what they were working on for season 2.
I'm guessing they wanted to see how people reacted to it first. What they liked and didn't like, and if there was any constructive criticism for them to take on board.
Hopefully. I hate the new streaming system of making fans wait 5 years or more for like 8 episodes. I always feel like the delivery is never worth the wait
I do like the show, but, even though some of the shots are Cinematic excellence, I still think each episode has way too many empty shots. Yes, I realize everyone has been concentrated and they're working on something collectively, without spoiling, but that being said, almost every episode could be cut by 10-15 considering how much empty space shots that occur. I think by the first few episodes we got the picture, the rest left me for want.
Stranger things is the worst. I rewatched it all in prep for season 5. You can really see the difference. Seasons 1-3 make so much sense and flow well. Season 4 they started to lose the plot and immersion. You can’t release 2 seasons in like 7 years and expect the same level.
That's more a writers and cost problem. Writers who suck don't know how to fill in the gaps well, and studios start making cuts to mid-season episodes to save money for the last few episodes to be good.
X-Files managed to handle their seasons really well by making filler episodes different and entertaining. Some of their best episodes were "Monster of the Week" filler episodes.
Filler episodes are how you get character-focused stories though, so they’re not universally bad. Some of the best episodes of shows like Deep Space Nine, The X-Files, or Buffy the Vampire Slayer would be “filler” by today’s standards, because the show has an overall story arc and these episodes aren’t advancing it.
I don't understand why TV shows have turned into mini movies. Every episode is a spectacle and costs millions then they're surprised when it doesn't get renewed. They used to film episodes of shows in one room to save money. Now every episode has to be an attempt at the best episode yet. Surely that has to be another reason why it takes so long
Some shows would be impossible to film on a few small sets. Friends is a good example, most of the show took place in either the boys or the girls apartment or the coffee shop. You can’t do that with Fallout. You need more extras, big detailed sets, CGI, tons of props and costumes.
OK, that’s fair. The Sopranos had the advantage of being set in the modern day and a lot of filming could be done at the club, Tony’s house or at real locations like outside of businesses or city streets. Battlestar Galactica needed to build sets, but some of them got a lot of use like the CIC or one dorm room could be used for lots of shots. Fallout tends to have larger sets, and they tend to have to be made from scratch.
BSG also ran on a crazy tight budget through the whole series. It's also one of the few series that had non union writers and producers write the last half of Season 4 to get spec scripts ready for the writers and for the cast.
Yeah it can make sense in some cases but we're getting the worst of cinema and tv series with most shows: longer producing times and higher budgets, which makes the stakes higher and therefore cancellation more likely, and also shit level writing, lots of cliffhangers and story stretching.
I gave up on Stranger Things because I just stopped caring. It’s too hard to remember stuff I watched 5 to 10 years ago and I’m not willing to do a rewatch.
Yeah, crazy when I think about x files (best show ever) being like 9 seasons of 20 to 24 episodes each being 40+min/episode, and releasing each years
I hate that trend now of 6 to 10 episodes, every 2 years or more, like yeah you can argue that a lot of episodes back then were filler, but today show with less than 10 episodes, sometimes only few are worth watching and everything can be pretty mediocre (hello obi wan), luckily not the case for fallout, been enjoying every episodes for now.
We could have had 10-12 episodes, but the streaming model is kind of a fail. Episode cost is really high but the return on subscribers is really low, especially if people can binge an entire season in a day or two and then cancel.
Also the writers got new contracts after the strikes which increased costs more, so that's also why we get less episodes per season.
So the only way they can guarantee more money coming in is stretch a season across like 3 months to get some increased subscriber revenue.
The wait between seasons comes down to the way streaming studios plan their seasons. The streamers love to wait until after a season finishes before deciding if they want to film a new season. Which is a really ridiculous way of doing things. If you know the show is a hit, just start pre-production...
I really think we are feeling the 2020 delay the most in the last 2 years and hope with the amount of new studios opening things will go back to 1-2 years in the oven before releasing. This is just a hope though
In some press interview for season two, it might’ve been wired or something – Nolan specifically called this out. He said he hated the trend of seasons going over a year to be released.
He brought it up in terms of scope, when he said, even though in future seasons, they’ll expand – don’t expect it to get out of control.
He couldn’t flat out, say or guarantee that it would be once every year – but he certainly alluded to the fact that that’s the way he wanted to do it.
If they did that they could have it cap off with the release of Fallout 5 which would generate a lot of new players for the game. Not sure how far that’s into development tho so maybe not. Elder Scrolls 6 isn’t even out yet.
Fallout 5 is about a decade away. They havnt released elder scrolls 6 (started pre production in 2023 and they are sloooow, thats why we havnt seen any news or trailers whatsoever about it its not close to ready) and they dont work on 2 games at once. My bet is 2028 ES6, maybe 2034 or 2035 fo5.
Part of me assumes that, internally, they've pushed Fallout 5 way up the pipeline. I'm sure they are still working on ES6, but there's no shot they're just waiting for that to be done to start FO5.
Honestly it might not be as far as we might think. Obsidian Interactive is owned by Microsoft. So it's entirely possible that Bethesda might have started work on Fallout 5 using Obsidian either as the primary studio or as a support Studio.
Apparently a Zenimax title was canceled in early development to speed up Fallout 5s development. Like Bethesda and Microsoft would be stupid not to hand over the game to Obsidian to develop it to capitalize on Fallouts success.
I think they can, as long as they don't stick to the same character goals for that long.
Watching Lucy look for her father and Cooper look for his family for 6 seasons is going to get really tiring.
But luckily they had one of the BoS main characters abandon the brotherhood after 1 season and the other BoS main character abandon the brotherhood after a season and a half. So I think they're willing to shake things up, now and then.
Idk, 6-7 doesn’t seem unreasonable with a world as big as Fallout. Especially if they consistently put out a season every 18ish months. There are so many places they could take it.
Guess it also depends on if Nolan gets bored with the show and/or lead actors leave or start to get sick of it. GoT could’ve easily gone 10 seasons without people getting sick of it if that hadn’t happened.
Still too early to call how long it should run I guess. We’re not even done with S2.
I suppose if they do it that way and have a rotating cast every few seasons and different stories. That could work really well. But if it’s 6 seasons of Lucy and the ghoul idk that will eventually get stale probably and they’ll run out of ideas . But 2-3 seasons of Lucy and the ghoul that comes to a satisfying conclusion. Followed by a new cast of characters new story’s etc . Yeah that could go for years .
Yeah, all depends on Nolan’s end goal for what story he wants to tell here. Totally could end up being a 4-5 season show & then we get spin-offs with new casts & stories which I would also be down for. Guess I was really just saying the whole concept of Fallout on TV in general shouldn’t be limited to only a handful of seasons.
If they want they also can shift to a whole different setting in Fallout. If enough actors are done or just want a break they can do a self contained Season in like New York, Boston, the Capitol or like Miami.
I think when Lucy/Coop chasing her dad is done they will find the big huge list of vaults and personnel and that will spawn their next series of events of finding Coops wife and many other big Vault personnel. The hunt will be on. We still don't know what happened to his wife and kid (i believe we havent gotten an answer)
With how strong this show started, they'll probably try to keep Fallout alive. If viewership drops, Amazon will probably lower the budget and only then if it keeps dropping they will cancell the show. I think it will have at least 5 seasons.
I would like to see it with different protagonists, the first 2 or 3 seasons will be Lucy's story while season 4-6 will be some new vault dwellers possibly in the capital waste land
I think so because the Amazon overlords seem to have caught on that the show has a lot of hype and investment so they're cashing in on it.
I hope so because all it takes is a couple of bad episodes that fans deem to ruin the series, viewership tanks, and suddenly it's cancelled next year. Fingers crossed it stays consistent.
They announced they're starting filming in May for season 3, so id assume that means maybe a late 2026 or early 2027 release similar to this year's. Really all depends on the cgi and how hard they work their animators.
Honestly, seeing as how detailed the CGI/praxtical world is yet the story is somehow barren, it should not take more than a year per season if the crew and artists crunch a bit. God knows they're the only ones doing any actual work here. And the mua and costume departments of course.
I can't fathom how they manage to cram that much nothingness, story-wise, into 40 minutes. Last episode i remember maximus shooting from a laser pistol, two scenes with deathclaws standing up, one of which was... in alaska? That stupid convo in the mess hall, a blimp falling and that was it. 40 minutes.
The writers really should understand that most of the original players are in their 30s and 40s, a demographic that would like to see a real story, not a freaking prop slide-show of vegas signs and the lucky 38. Every moment has something from the game shoveled in it, like we are in a god damn disney world ride waiting for a damn radscorpion to make our lives fulfilled, and the foreshadowing, if any, comes from the beginning of the episode it foreshadows. Child level writing. Actually, if my child wrote fan fiction like this i'd be impressed, if my child was 6.
And by god, if i hear another: uh, uhm whoops or huh? From the damn power armor VO, ill bitchslap my own tv with a 3d printed power fist.
I think the commonwealth would make the most sense for next season because of the likely to come civil war in the brotherhood, it would make sense for the battleground to go to the commonwealth directly. then probably capital wastes and Appalachia
5-6 seasons seems unlikely. Even major series with a lot of hype and a good production schedule have a hard time making it that long.
However, I think they have a lot of good jumping off points where they could take a break and revisit the world down the line if there's renewed interest.
Right now, you have Lucy needing to confront her dad and decide what's next for her life, the ghoul is trying to find his wife and resolve that centuries-long conflict, and the soldier is looking for a purpose where he thinks he can do real good.
You can absolutely give all three of them natural off ramps for their stories with just another 1-2 seasons.
I think they could go for easily 12 seasons with consistency there's so much lore in the game and go to places like Mexico or Canada places the games wouldn't usually go show us more tribes and groups too
It’s going past 3 but the problem is, well you’re misunderstanding, 3+ seasons means they’re entitled to a large pay increase. That’s the rub, studios hate having to pay that higher cost. That’s why shows get the axe or rebranded at 3 seasons. Particularly kids shows
My hope is that after this season they move on to a new location and eventually one of the seasons set the mood for a game in that location, even if the show continues as they move somewhere else.
I honestly think it should be only four seasons for this particular show. They can launch a new Fallout show afterwards, but I just think four seasons is enough. Keeps the story from flying off the rails. No fluff.
It’s not on HBO or Netflix, so probably will make it. And it’s not on AMC, Paramount or Disney+, so it won’t be milked beyond its expiration date either. The Goldilocks; just right.
It all really comes down to money and if it continues to keep flowing. I have no doubt that they can keep the entire fan base engaged between all manners of media the fallout universe is available currently and slated for in the future. But money is always the biggest determining Factor when it comes to the entertainment industry.
Well... That and whether the shoe drops in real life, so to speak. Only time will tell.
I hope so, I miss when good shows released every year. Fallout Season 3 starts filming in May and so it’s highly possible it will release late 26/early 27
Well, the way they're burning through game-existing locations and factions, they'll have to start making all their own stuff up fairly soon before they get to 4 or 5. Or they can go through the locations and lore for all the other games per season and show us how everything is dead or dying there, too?
I think it would do better if Lucy’s story gets wrapped up by like season 3 and then a new protagonist in a different part of the US is introduced, but this time not a vault dweller.
I hear ya! Have you watched the series "From"? That subreddit is by far the worst I've seen about dropping spoilers. Nobody who isn't caught up in the series should never visit that group!
As the seasons go on Walters make up is gonna get a considerably worse as he demands to be more prominent, calling it now. He’s the reason it’s already bad.
Also he seems to think less of fallout fans especially during the build up of season 1. He’s easily the worst thing about the show which I know is a hot take but fuck me, what could have been without his pretentious demanding ass.
Season 3 just finished preproduction and starts filming in May. Amazon is being smart about not letting the audience get cold.
Hopefully Bethesda does their part to engage as well. Would love a remaster of 3 and/or new Vegas. Seemed like this was a missed chance to drop new Vegas
The prospect of trying to time stuff like that leaves way too much room for error. If it came out in mid-shape you'd be like "they shouldn't of rushed it just to line up with the show!". Let them work independently within their own industries and be happy with whatever timing crossover they can make happen, like the Ghoul being in 76,
We'll be 3 likely successful seasons in of this show made , that's more than enough time to have atleast started something for a remaster,
I am highly optimistic that Fallout 3 Remaster will be released this year.
I got an ad on Reddit for the Fallout games recently, playing off the hype of the show. I thought it was really interesting that the ad gave a summary of which game to play between 76, 4, NV, and Shelter, but didn’t mention 3 at all.
Crackpot theory, they don’t want people buying 3 right now because the 3 Remaster will come out soon and they want to point people towards that when it does.
Which rumors are they've been working on one for a while
Comitting to synchronized multimedia releases for such huge projects is always a huge gamble. It's a major factor in why the Pokemon franchise has seen such a stark decline in quality. Despite being an extremely small portion of the franchise's overall revenue, the games are the lynchpin of their entire multimedia ecosystem. It forces rigid and tight timelines that quickly become untenable. Game development timelines have ballooned while other mediums have remained comparatively stable. Getting things to line up neatly, especially repeatedly isn't realistic and leaves little to no room for error.
Yup, Defiance tried to tie the game campaigns to each Season and it was a major failure. Although the game did suck, which probably didn't help.
There might be some virtue in lighting a fire under their ass though, because we're on a single player Fallout hiatus bigger than what was between 2 and 3, and there's no sign of the drought improving any time soon.
Ya I agree. Fallout 5 and the next Elder Scrolls HAVE to be priorities.
There's all but complete confirmation of a 3 remaster Coming SoonTM, and I'd be willing to be New Vegas as well considering the setting of the show. There's also the countdown on Amazon's site to the end of this season which leads me to think they might outright announce just such a thing at that time
SoonTM
My hopium theory is that they’ll drop 3 or NV RM right when the season ends. It won’t happen but I can dream
I'd definitely keep my expectations in check, but the Oblivion remaster was (officially) revealed and released on the same day, so it's not impossible. We also know the Fallout 3 remaster has at least been on the table (though not necessarily in active development) since 2020, so depending on if/when work started, the timeline is pretty reasonable.
I’ll keep my fingers crossed!
I’m pretty sure they said in the past that remaking/master those games would require rebuilding them from the ground up. Even if they planned to do releases with the show, game dev takes a long time.
And even then I’d rather they release complete well made products than rushed soulless cash grabs. We know they’re coming. It’s just a matter of when
Since Elder Scrolls IV and Fallout 3/NV are all more or less running on the same engine, I’m guessing the recent Oblivion remaster is the expected level of quality, so that means blurring the lines between remaster and remake and re-rendering the entire game in Unreal Engine 5 with entirely new assets.
It sucks that we probably won’t have a remaster or a sequel in our hands by the time Season 3 is even out, but game development takes a lot more time than it used to, and as far as Bethesda doing anything themselves is concerned (Oblivion Remastered was outsourced to Virtuos), Todd Howard is not willing to get with the times and open new studios at BGS Maryland. He’s said before that he wants to work in a studio where he knows the names of everyone in the building, so he’s putting out AAA releases on indie manpower. Elder Scrolls VI will take a decade to make.
Fallout 3 and New Vegas are definently not running on the same engine as Skyrim. It's actually the same engine as Oblivion which is Gamebyro. So it's prone to the same issues as Oblivion. They'd need to massively overhaul the gameplay system simply because it's really dated. Like Doom was clearly designed to feel like the original Doom. But Fallout 3 was trying to be a FPS title with open gameplay similar to TES Oblivion was.
I'm betting on it being Conversion like mod for Fallout 4s engine or the same remaster as Oblivion. If they want to do it service, they'll just rebuild it using Fallout 4/Skyrim engine or the Starfield Engine.
For reference, holding onto old engines results in major performance problems with single core limitations and memory limitations. It's why Halo shifted away from BLAM! because it sucked at multi core tasks since it was designed for PowerPC and 32bit systems.
I said Elder Scrolls IV, dude. Not V.
It amazes me how they're able to release like 30 different releases of Skyrim on like 10 consoles//mobile/VR/PC spanning 2/3 generations of tech but cant release a single Fallout remake.
That's just porting. A remake is way more intensive.
I have a theory the show not running out of new vegas this season would be a waste, so they'll at least make one more season of new vegas and when that's over they'll give us fallout new vegas remastered instead the remastered of 3 I think will be released in a few months there is a countdown for February 4th if I'm not mistaken on an official fallout website and it is obvious that it is the shadow drop of fallout 3 remastered
Amazon is pretty good at getting shows out on a regular basis. It's like they look at what Netflix and others are doing and do the opposite
Netflix would probably just randomly cancel the show after this season if they were on that platform.
I just hope that they pace themselves correctly. Too much time in the oven will give you a burnt product, too little time in the oven will give you a mushy mess.
Excellent point. Nolan is a very good writer.
As a 40 something year old who grew up playing Fallout, from the first to the last, I love the way Amazon is doing this.
I'm so burned out on having a season of a show releasing on the same day, having everyone binge watch it in a sitting and not being able to discuss or even read about anything online to avoid spoilers.
I have really missed waiting a week for the next episode of a show and being able to keep up with all the talk, details and theorizing going on around each individual episode for a week before the next one drops.
I never thought I'd say this, but its even kind of nice to have commercial breaks in shows again like the ones I get with basic Prime. I never realized how much they actually help a show flow in parts and give you a second to think about what just happened in an act.
Its probably just nostalgia because of my age, but I'm having a great time with the whole shebang.
Right, it certainly wont be out next January then, more like late next year. So not annually like op is suggesting, but about the best we can realistically expect.
Maybe not that late actually. Season 2 started filming just over a year before it aired, which included a delay in filming due to the Los Angeles fires last year.
So if we expect something similar for season 3, we could probably expect it to come out in the middle of next year.
Why is this so hard for most studios?
I fully understand why game development timelines have gotten so absurd, but I don't see any reason why TV should be taking multiple years between seasons when it's clearly possible to do annual seasons.
Because they don't seem to greenlight a new season until the last season airs and gets good reviews. Amazon has fully committed to the show, S3 was greenlit when S2 was still being shot, which is basically unheard of.
If you assume it takes about 18 months to shoot and edit and do VFX and everything, it makes sense that it takes 2 years or more between seasons if they wait to start after a season airs.
That's a good point, but then what about shows like Pluribus? Apple bought 2 seasons right off the bat, yet they said there's gonna be like 2 years between seasons.
I don't really know anything about that show so I can't speak to whatever they're doing.
They seem to have waited until season 1 was airing until starting on the second. Rhea Seehorn did an interview recently where she said she had just visited the writers room to see what they were working on for season 2.
I'm guessing they wanted to see how people reacted to it first. What they liked and didn't like, and if there was any constructive criticism for them to take on board.
Hopefully. I hate the new streaming system of making fans wait 5 years or more for like 8 episodes. I always feel like the delivery is never worth the wait
I typically forgot a lot of what happened and it's 50-50 whether I can be bothered to go rewatch or just quit watching entirely.
Apple TV has gotten this so right with Slow Horses. Basically filming 2 seasons back to back and coming out yearly.
And then there's Severance and Pluribus...
Urgh…. Don’t remind me of Pluribus. Absolutely love the show but hearing the showrunner say “we’re in no rush to start season 2” kills me.
Mf I'M in a rush!
Whenever I hear them say stuff like that I always think “well fine then, I’m in no rush to renew my subscription”.
I do like the show, but, even though some of the shots are Cinematic excellence, I still think each episode has way too many empty shots. Yes, I realize everyone has been concentrated and they're working on something collectively, without spoiling, but that being said, almost every episode could be cut by 10-15 considering how much empty space shots that occur. I think by the first few episodes we got the picture, the rest left me for want.
Invincible had been the worst for me. Same with From.
One punch man is the worst of them all.
Severance will come out in the next 5 years...
Stranger things is the worst. I rewatched it all in prep for season 5. You can really see the difference. Seasons 1-3 make so much sense and flow well. Season 4 they started to lose the plot and immersion. You can’t release 2 seasons in like 7 years and expect the same level.
To be fair, a lot of that was due to strikes and covid too. I'm sure they wanted it to be out faster.
Season 4 came out in 21’ right? A season really shouldn’t take 1-2 years. Even then that’s generous.
Despite the ads for S05 being everywhere, I really had to force myself to watch it. I just didn't care anymore after such a long time.
agreed, i hated the last season and part of me wonders if id not have been as disappointed if there wasn’t so much build up
Remember when we had 24 one hour episodes for our favorite shows every year? Those were the good ol days.
But good news is the filming for season 3 is scheduled to start in March or May already. So they're TRYING to make a decent pace.
Honestly looking back at those 24 episodes, so much of it was filler and just straight up low quality
That's more a writers and cost problem. Writers who suck don't know how to fill in the gaps well, and studios start making cuts to mid-season episodes to save money for the last few episodes to be good.
X-Files managed to handle their seasons really well by making filler episodes different and entertaining. Some of their best episodes were "Monster of the Week" filler episodes.
Filler episodes are how you get character-focused stories though, so they’re not universally bad. Some of the best episodes of shows like Deep Space Nine, The X-Files, or Buffy the Vampire Slayer would be “filler” by today’s standards, because the show has an overall story arc and these episodes aren’t advancing it.
i feel like Lost was the peak of this, season one could be three whole seasons in the streaming era
I’ll take 8, great 1 hour episodes every ~2 years than 20 shit and 4 good 45 minute episodes every year.
The quality of TV is so far above what we got 15 years ago it’s like comparing the PSP with a $3000 gaming PC
I don't understand why TV shows have turned into mini movies. Every episode is a spectacle and costs millions then they're surprised when it doesn't get renewed. They used to film episodes of shows in one room to save money. Now every episode has to be an attempt at the best episode yet. Surely that has to be another reason why it takes so long
Some shows would be impossible to film on a few small sets. Friends is a good example, most of the show took place in either the boys or the girls apartment or the coffee shop. You can’t do that with Fallout. You need more extras, big detailed sets, CGI, tons of props and costumes.
Friends is also a sitcom vs Fallout being a premium drama.
Better comparison would be The Sopranos or Battlestar Galactica
OK, that’s fair. The Sopranos had the advantage of being set in the modern day and a lot of filming could be done at the club, Tony’s house or at real locations like outside of businesses or city streets. Battlestar Galactica needed to build sets, but some of them got a lot of use like the CIC or one dorm room could be used for lots of shots. Fallout tends to have larger sets, and they tend to have to be made from scratch.
BSG also ran on a crazy tight budget through the whole series. It's also one of the few series that had non union writers and producers write the last half of Season 4 to get spec scripts ready for the writers and for the cast.
Most scifi shows like to reuse sets.
Yeah it can make sense in some cases but we're getting the worst of cinema and tv series with most shows: longer producing times and higher budgets, which makes the stakes higher and therefore cancellation more likely, and also shit level writing, lots of cliffhangers and story stretching.
I gave up on Stranger Things because I just stopped caring. It’s too hard to remember stuff I watched 5 to 10 years ago and I’m not willing to do a rewatch.
and the actors getting older really weird if 5 years between seasons
Yeah, crazy when I think about x files (best show ever) being like 9 seasons of 20 to 24 episodes each being 40+min/episode, and releasing each years
I hate that trend now of 6 to 10 episodes, every 2 years or more, like yeah you can argue that a lot of episodes back then were filler, but today show with less than 10 episodes, sometimes only few are worth watching and everything can be pretty mediocre (hello obi wan), luckily not the case for fallout, been enjoying every episodes for now.
I’m actively avoiding show that do this. Pluribus is an example. I’m not going to watch it until we have a firm date for season 2.
We could have had 10-12 episodes, but the streaming model is kind of a fail. Episode cost is really high but the return on subscribers is really low, especially if people can binge an entire season in a day or two and then cancel.
Also the writers got new contracts after the strikes which increased costs more, so that's also why we get less episodes per season.
So the only way they can guarantee more money coming in is stretch a season across like 3 months to get some increased subscriber revenue.
The wait between seasons comes down to the way streaming studios plan their seasons. The streamers love to wait until after a season finishes before deciding if they want to film a new season. Which is a really ridiculous way of doing things. If you know the show is a hit, just start pre-production...
Season 3 starts filming in May so we could see a February or sooner release. So we at least know season 3 is on time.
I really think we are feeling the 2020 delay the most in the last 2 years and hope with the amount of new studios opening things will go back to 1-2 years in the oven before releasing. This is just a hope though
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Yeah that and all the wild fires
The time between 1 and 2 was about a year and a half, which is reasonable.
Plus they've already announced shooting for S3 so we know theyre ready to go
The announcement I saw here was an AI article. It isn't bullshit?
Walton Goggins, Aaron Moten, and Jonathan Nolan were all at the fallout day festivities in Las Vegas and announced season 3 there
I remember that. But the only article I saw saying it already started shooting was all AI generated so I didn't trust it
The only AI thing was the description and recap of Season 1 IIRC
Not necessarily, could be just a lazy journalist
Lots of lazy journos are secretly bots. I've been down this rabbithole and it's a lot creepier than most realize.
I think we'll finally see other City and vaults. Gaaarrrrrryyyyyy
I do. And there’s a very specific reason why.
In some press interview for season two, it might’ve been wired or something – Nolan specifically called this out. He said he hated the trend of seasons going over a year to be released.
He brought it up in terms of scope, when he said, even though in future seasons, they’ll expand – don’t expect it to get out of control.
He couldn’t flat out, say or guarantee that it would be once every year – but he certainly alluded to the fact that that’s the way he wanted to do it.
I sure hope so, this ten episodes every two years bullshit that other shows are doing is a lazy joke.
If they did that they could have it cap off with the release of Fallout 5 which would generate a lot of new players for the game. Not sure how far that’s into development tho so maybe not. Elder Scrolls 6 isn’t even out yet.
Fallout 5 is about a decade away. They havnt released elder scrolls 6 (started pre production in 2023 and they are sloooow, thats why we havnt seen any news or trailers whatsoever about it its not close to ready) and they dont work on 2 games at once. My bet is 2028 ES6, maybe 2034 or 2035 fo5.
Part of me assumes that, internally, they've pushed Fallout 5 way up the pipeline. I'm sure they are still working on ES6, but there's no shot they're just waiting for that to be done to start FO5.
Maybe Obsidian is developing it.
Honestly it might not be as far as we might think. Obsidian Interactive is owned by Microsoft. So it's entirely possible that Bethesda might have started work on Fallout 5 using Obsidian either as the primary studio or as a support Studio.
Apparently a Zenimax title was canceled in early development to speed up Fallout 5s development. Like Bethesda and Microsoft would be stupid not to hand over the game to Obsidian to develop it to capitalize on Fallouts success.
I’m enjoying the show but I doubt it lasts 6 seasons without falling off . That’s just how media is these days .
I think they can, as long as they don't stick to the same character goals for that long.
Watching Lucy look for her father and Cooper look for his family for 6 seasons is going to get really tiring.
But luckily they had one of the BoS main characters abandon the brotherhood after 1 season and the other BoS main character abandon the brotherhood after a season and a half. So I think they're willing to shake things up, now and then.
Honestly I’d be happy with 3 or 4 good seasons over 5-6 mid seasons . Sometimes you can get too much of a good thing.
Most of the games starts with finding a family member. Then that ends up being secondary
Meanwhile, New Vegas starts with trying to find Benny.
Might go to season 3 before finding a new goal
Idk, 6-7 doesn’t seem unreasonable with a world as big as Fallout. Especially if they consistently put out a season every 18ish months. There are so many places they could take it.
Guess it also depends on if Nolan gets bored with the show and/or lead actors leave or start to get sick of it. GoT could’ve easily gone 10 seasons without people getting sick of it if that hadn’t happened.
Still too early to call how long it should run I guess. We’re not even done with S2.
I suppose if they do it that way and have a rotating cast every few seasons and different stories. That could work really well. But if it’s 6 seasons of Lucy and the ghoul idk that will eventually get stale probably and they’ll run out of ideas . But 2-3 seasons of Lucy and the ghoul that comes to a satisfying conclusion. Followed by a new cast of characters new story’s etc . Yeah that could go for years .
Yeah, all depends on Nolan’s end goal for what story he wants to tell here. Totally could end up being a 4-5 season show & then we get spin-offs with new casts & stories which I would also be down for. Guess I was really just saying the whole concept of Fallout on TV in general shouldn’t be limited to only a handful of seasons.
I'll never tire of Goggins.
If they want they also can shift to a whole different setting in Fallout. If enough actors are done or just want a break they can do a self contained Season in like New York, Boston, the Capitol or like Miami.
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I think when Lucy/Coop chasing her dad is done they will find the big huge list of vaults and personnel and that will spawn their next series of events of finding Coops wife and many other big Vault personnel. The hunt will be on. We still don't know what happened to his wife and kid (i believe we havent gotten an answer)
It'll last until Nolan gets bored and wants to make something else.
With how strong this show started, they'll probably try to keep Fallout alive. If viewership drops, Amazon will probably lower the budget and only then if it keeps dropping they will cancell the show. I think it will have at least 5 seasons.
I mean we still have a lot of creatures not used mainly super mutants
Hint hint fallout show. Where’s the fucking mutants 😂? I’m definitely going to have to wait for season 3 for mutants aren’t I ?
We see a dead Super Mutant under a sheet in Season 1. And the latest episode seemed to euphemistically refer to FEV.
I’d love to see them go to the Capitol wasteland sometime, but I think atleast 1 season needs to take place in a brand new region with new locations
I hope the show ends up somewhere else and we get to see a game set in that location after the show ends
I would like to see it with different protagonists, the first 2 or 3 seasons will be Lucy's story while season 4-6 will be some new vault dwellers possibly in the capital waste land
It would be hilarious if they get to 4 seasons and then just stop and keep remastering the old seasons and rereleasing them over and over.
Honestly that's be fucking hilarious. Same scripts different cast.
I think so and hope so.
I think so because the Amazon overlords seem to have caught on that the show has a lot of hype and investment so they're cashing in on it.
I hope so because all it takes is a couple of bad episodes that fans deem to ruin the series, viewership tanks, and suddenly it's cancelled next year. Fingers crossed it stays consistent.
I think so. Didn’t they start filming the next season after s2 immediately got done
They announced they're starting filming in May for season 3, so id assume that means maybe a late 2026 or early 2027 release similar to this year's. Really all depends on the cgi and how hard they work their animators.
Definitely will not be a late 2026 release, If filming hasn't already started.
No show turns around that fast. And the networks don’t want 2 seasons in the same year. It’s absolutely a 2027 release at earliest for s3
They should add 2 episodes every season
Huh, never realized the season 1 image is a skull.
Hopefully its consistent. Ill make an exception for the final season taking longer as long as it wraps really well and properly.
Hopefully, because i will lose interest if they take to long in releasing them
Love the show, but it's too fast
Agreed, season 2 feels like a speedrun
6 seasons and a movie!
There’s not going to be much of a show if the studio keeps deleting factions and lore
I hope they ruin locations and factions of fallout 3 and 4, then I'll be satisfied.
Honestly, seeing as how detailed the CGI/praxtical world is yet the story is somehow barren, it should not take more than a year per season if the crew and artists crunch a bit. God knows they're the only ones doing any actual work here. And the mua and costume departments of course.
I can't fathom how they manage to cram that much nothingness, story-wise, into 40 minutes. Last episode i remember maximus shooting from a laser pistol, two scenes with deathclaws standing up, one of which was... in alaska? That stupid convo in the mess hall, a blimp falling and that was it. 40 minutes.
The writers really should understand that most of the original players are in their 30s and 40s, a demographic that would like to see a real story, not a freaking prop slide-show of vegas signs and the lucky 38. Every moment has something from the game shoveled in it, like we are in a god damn disney world ride waiting for a damn radscorpion to make our lives fulfilled, and the foreshadowing, if any, comes from the beginning of the episode it foreshadows. Child level writing. Actually, if my child wrote fan fiction like this i'd be impressed, if my child was 6.
And by god, if i hear another: uh, uhm whoops or huh? From the damn power armor VO, ill bitchslap my own tv with a 3d printed power fist.
Thats just enough to cover each of the games.
So far we have:
Season 1: Fallout 1 and 2 (they both take place in the same location so it makes sense to package them)
Season 2: Fallout New Vegas
So next logically should be, in no particular order;
Season 3: Appalachia
Season 4: The Capital Wasteland
Season 5: The Commonwealth
After those seasons are done and those locations have been bulldozed, they can unveil the location for Fallout 5 in Season 6!
I think the commonwealth would make the most sense for next season because of the likely to come civil war in the brotherhood, it would make sense for the battleground to go to the commonwealth directly. then probably capital wastes and Appalachia
I'm very much looking forward to season 4 based on your prediction!!!!
5-6 seasons seems unlikely. Even major series with a lot of hype and a good production schedule have a hard time making it that long.
However, I think they have a lot of good jumping off points where they could take a break and revisit the world down the line if there's renewed interest.
Right now, you have Lucy needing to confront her dad and decide what's next for her life, the ghoul is trying to find his wife and resolve that centuries-long conflict, and the soldier is looking for a purpose where he thinks he can do real good.
You can absolutely give all three of them natural off ramps for their stories with just another 1-2 seasons.
Then? Who knows
I think they could go for easily 12 seasons with consistency there's so much lore in the game and go to places like Mexico or Canada places the games wouldn't usually go show us more tribes and groups too
Probably if they keep their current pace. The next season starts shooting in May. So it will probably get a mid to late 2027 release.
Considering they are filming S3 in May, yeah. Not sure why they wouldn't be.
Season 3 shoots in May so yeah seems like it.
Yeah! Just like the games
Let’s hope for an annual release
I wonder when they’re gonna go to the commonwealth and capital wasteland.
I think annually probably, but it may be off by 3-6 months for Seasons 4 and 6
I love Beth but my official answer is:
At first.
It's Amazon. After 3 seasons is done. They can't hold Purnell or Goggins longer.
It’s going past 3 but the problem is, well you’re misunderstanding, 3+ seasons means they’re entitled to a large pay increase. That’s the rub, studios hate having to pay that higher cost. That’s why shows get the axe or rebranded at 3 seasons. Particularly kids shows
It's like real life. You suddenly stopped playing the game. Someone new starts it. BOOM, new actors, new story.
They have lots to work with
I could see 4 seasons. But I’d want to 4th season to tie right into Fallout 5.
Adapt Fallout 4 references into the third. Make the ghouls daughter the big bad.
My hope is that after this season they move on to a new location and eventually one of the seasons set the mood for a game in that location, even if the show continues as they move somewhere else.
I honestly think it should be only four seasons for this particular show. They can launch a new Fallout show afterwards, but I just think four seasons is enough. Keeps the story from flying off the rails. No fluff.
It’s not on HBO or Netflix, so probably will make it. And it’s not on AMC, Paramount or Disney+, so it won’t be milked beyond its expiration date either. The Goldilocks; just right.
With coinciding irl geopolitical crisis each season? It’s possible.
It all really comes down to money and if it continues to keep flowing. I have no doubt that they can keep the entire fan base engaged between all manners of media the fallout universe is available currently and slated for in the future. But money is always the biggest determining Factor when it comes to the entertainment industry.
Well... That and whether the shoe drops in real life, so to speak. Only time will tell.
I hope so, I miss when good shows released every year. Fallout Season 3 starts filming in May and so it’s highly possible it will release late 26/early 27
Hope so, but, it is very rare for a TV show to continue to be good after 3 seasons!
Well, the way they're burning through game-existing locations and factions, they'll have to start making all their own stuff up fairly soon before they get to 4 or 5. Or they can go through the locations and lore for all the other games per season and show us how everything is dead or dying there, too?
I think it would do better if Lucy’s story gets wrapped up by like season 3 and then a new protagonist in a different part of the US is introduced, but this time not a vault dweller.
Quicker than that, I hope. And I hope they stop the slow leak of episodes and just let us binge them.
Slow leaks of the show generate buzz, discourse.. and spoilers.
Yeah I'm trying to hold out and binge season 2. Have to be careful about reading this subreddit first fear of spoilers!!!
My eyes read faster than my brain de-buffers the info, I’ve already read the spoiler before I can stop myself from consuming it.
I hear ya! Have you watched the series "From"? That subreddit is by far the worst I've seen about dropping spoilers. Nobody who isn't caught up in the series should never visit that group!
If they are there better be a new, full sized, single player fallout game at the the end of it!
I want 3 seasons to 4 max. Spin-offs to different Fallout series. Fallout universe so big options are endless.
5 to 6 lot tbh, most shows go way down hill after 3.
As the seasons go on Walters make up is gonna get a considerably worse as he demands to be more prominent, calling it now. He’s the reason it’s already bad.
Also he seems to think less of fallout fans especially during the build up of season 1. He’s easily the worst thing about the show which I know is a hot take but fuck me, what could have been without his pretentious demanding ass.
In his own words;
“I don’t give a fuck about these geeks!”