A dine in movie theater started adding in an 18% gratuity automatically. Imagine: you’re sitting in a dark theater with a tiny light to see your receipt, trying to concentrate on the last 30 mins of the movie, you see your total, with a line for a write in tip but have to really pay attention to see it actually says “addl tip.” If I hadn’t realized our total was higher than I expected and examined the bill to find the automatic 18% I would’ve tipped my usual 20% on top of their 18%. Outrageous.
I tip delivery drivers (the few times I don’t want to get the pizza) and waiters/waitresses. If I have to pick up the order for carry out, I’m not tipping you. Fast food places asking me to round up? Fuck off. People whose job it is to make my food in front of me and want a tip for it? Not happening. I used to feel embarrassed clicking no tip or “custom” and putting in a $0 but not anymore. I never order DD or grubhub for fear of this kind of shit happening.
The fast food asking you to round up pisses me off the most. They will right this off in their taxes and what's worse is they are only legally required to donate 10% of the money you donate.
THIS SHOULD BE ILLEGAL! Sorry for yelling, but it’s this type of shit that truly illustrates how broken our system is. An individual can donate to a cause through a corporation and they CAN POCKET that money 🤬
A common misconception. In the USA (can’t speak for other countries), the collecting business is just a pass-through, and the IRS would be all over them if they tried to claim a customer’s donation as their own. The donations are tax-deductible; however, it’s you the customer that gets to claim the write off, so save those receipts if you’re not taking the standard deduction!
It’s like the myth of tax brackets. Somehow it got started that getting to a higher tax bracket would net less money because people don’t understand how they actually work, and it’s now an urban legend that is still trying to be stamped out. Schools really need to teach taxes and other finances, but I guess companies like Turbo Tax would probably lobby against it like they’ve lobbied against simple tax filing reform so they can stay in business.
Not sure what it’s like where you are but I’m eastern US & everyone expects a tip here, even when they make a living wage & do next to nothing. People try to make it political but it’s just laziness & entitlement.
Remember when dine in restaurants and food delivery used to be the only things asking for tips? Now I get asked for a tip by the register at fuckin subway.
There was a tip jar at the merchandise register of the camp store in the Great Smokey Mountains National Park. They had a grill, but you paid for the grill stuff at the grill, not the merchandise register.
Right like I order take out. Come in to the establishment to pickup & the look I get for writing 2-3$ for a tip.... what service did you do? Bag the food? That deserves a 20% tip? Gtfo
It’s just another way for businesses to shy away from paying employees a decent wage & lie about wages to potential new hires. It’s not like the employees of every individual company all got together and said “we deserve tips.” It’s that companies realized that by giving customers the option to tip they can tell their employees that they’re making “$x.xx/hr + tips” even if those tips are negligible. And if the tips are actually decent then the company can boast that they pay their people well without actually losing any extra capital.
Though I am curious which living-wage jobs have a tip jar, because where I live I’ve only noticed them popping up in corporate retail and fast-food where they’ve historically been no-nos.
Some businesses use tips as an excuse to lowball wages but that’s mainly in sit down restaurants. Some people are just lazy & mistakenly believe they’re worth far more than they’re actually worth to the customers & business. There’s an ice cream shop near me where they start at $25/hr in a relatively low COL area & they still put out a tip jar, it’s ridiculous.
ETA I see tip jars everywhere except the grocery store & big box stores. I can’t remember the last time I went anywhere else that didn’t have a tip jar. Even the freaking oil change places & owner-operated small businesses have them.
I used to tip drivers a small amount, like €2, since the restaurants adding driving fees up to €2-6 I stopped tipping them. I only tip at restaurants or cafes if services is good enough.
The way it should be. I agree people should be paid fairly for their service but demanding a patron pay them even if they are sub par (A tip is a discretionary payment made by a customer to a service worker, such as a server, bartender, or busser, as a token of appreciation for good service) is crazy.
That's between employee and employer. This is between her and the customer. If she has an issue with pay she needed to take it up with doordash, Uber eats or whoever she was driving for at that time. Nobody is entitled to tips. It's not the customer's responsibility to make up for whatever you think the employer shorts you. It's a bonus if they want to give one.
My family stopped tipping door dash orders because we live in a community that has multiple of the same numbers so they’ll decide it’s a quick time save to just drop them off at the first one they see.
It’s not like it’s super confusing, it just takes a quick double check with GPS.
Almost every other time I have to walk to pick up delivery from 6769 A Street or 6769 B Street.
I saw on another post that you can put a PIN on your order where the driver can’t complete the order unless you give them the PIN. The person who mentioned it said they started doing this bc they lived on a street of condos that looked exactly the same, so the drivers would just leave them wherever.
I have a pin and a note saying that there is a green gate to look for and without fail they drop the goods off on the sidewalk next to the business nextdoor.
I used to live in a very long street (in Europe) at house number 1182. I repeatedly had to pick up packages at number 11 or 118 (address cut off in the order field). Also one year my credit score tanked because the rating company located me at house 118, which was effectively the slums.
Not sure if that would help. It’s not like the locations are jumbled, it’s literally just the wrong street.
For reference, the door dash app is how I’m able to figure out where they actually did the drop off. It can label that address and my address right. I have reason to believe it’s accurate for the driver too and they just ignore it for whatever reason.
I find it very interesting that it was actually seen as poor taste earlier, but became more and more common during the 20's, with a repeal of a law in 1926 being the main driver for changing it.
My issue with tipping is… It’s been exported to other countries that doesn’t have the slave wage issues.
Americans when travelling give stupidly high tips and then locals expect everyone to do that.
People pushing tipping standards (10-15% is now too cheap and they expect 20% minimum). That’s bs… pay your employees a proper wage and stop making this awkward for your customers.
Tipping on top of tax is BS. Why is your tip taxes… is that a service charge now and not a gift?
Tipping on take out… stop asking for a tip. I’m doing all the work here.
Tipping for everything in life is stupid… tipping door man, tipping bag boy, tipping moving company that you actually pay for… etc..
Minimum tipping is only reasonable for large groups. It’s completely fine. Min tipping for a couple is a cash grab.
What you’re describing is what tipping started as in the US. Tipping has now become a way for employers to pay terrible wages under the idea that the cost of labor is being split between the customer and the employer. This is why the minimum wage for servers is a fraction of the normal minimum wage. This is not to defend the absolute entitlement that has arisen in delivery drivers though.
She stepped to the side and thought she was out of view. How these dumbasses haven't realized yet that these doorbell cameras are wide angle lenses, I don't know.
It's almost like there is some kind of social benefit to having a delivery person that works at the restaurant you order from... Like if the restaurants reputation is directly tied to the driver.
I ordered pizza from Marco’s some time ago. I paid their delivery fee and tipped in the online payment portal. A little over an hour later a door dasher showed up with a cold pizza and no breadsticks. I was beyond pissed off, at no point did they say that they might use a third party to deliver my pizza. I emailed their corporate support team and voiced my concerns, I don’t order from them anymore though. That’s a big breach of trust in my book.
FWIW they can outsource to food delivery apps if they don't have enough drivers on hand. However, they can just always do that, too, so take it with a grain of salt.
Incorrect. Generally speaking, restaurants are not legally required to advertise that they use 3rd party delivery services. The legal responsibilities fall on the delivery apps to show they are related to the restaurants, not the other way around.
Now, sometimes 3rd party apps will list a restaurant without their knowledge and just claim them as "take-out orders," but some states like Wisconsin force the apps to get written permission first.
I mean when you check out on the Marcos website. There should be some sort of disclaimer saying that they might use third party delivery services. That way I can just cancel my order and order from somewhere else.
That disclaimer is at the beginning where I live. You can't even start an order without choosing a third party or the restaurant. Personally, if there's no option to order directly from the restaurant, I don't order.
My story was from about a decade ago. It was so bizarre. Don't restaurants have to pay for the service? At least have some connection? We were all confused and the owners were livid.
It felt like extortion. "We're going to leave your info up and you'll keep disappointing people. Or you could just sign up with us and avoid the headache."
Fuck you. We've got Excedrin.
We didn't even offer delivery. Only dine-in, pick-up and catering. That food was your favorite auntie's love on a spoon. It's going directly from us to you. Oma said so.
Yeah, I was on the actual company website doing an online order, it never mentioned anything other than delivery by their friendly staff. I’m fine with someone that works for them handling my food, I’m not ok with them handing it to someone that they haven’t vetted.
Marco’s is weird. I accepted a delivery from there once when I tried door dashing. The instructions stated to, “walking in smiling, wearing your dasher shirt with an unzipped DD pizza bag in hand.”
Round Table did this to me. Called them back and asked to get my delivery fee waived because 1. They didn’t let me know, 2. Where’s the damn fee going if they hired 3rd party?
The fee is going to pay the 3rd party. Amazon hires all kinds of services to delivery you packages, for example, but you wouldn't call Amazon and say you want your delivery or prime fee back because they use joe blow delivery service rather than an Amazon truck.
I hated delivery apps from the start. And glad I did. I think I only used one once and it was awful. And theyve only seemed to get worse.
Restaurants that never had delivery now had to create new processes for the delivery pickups, and it makes service for walk-in abysmal.
Delivery charge from resto + app charge + tip, all for an hour wait and cold food with missing items (and added ones in this case).
Inaccurate (usually overcharged) pricing. Missing menu items. Lack of normal app options/adjustments.
Drivers who dont care, and/or hate their jobs but take it out on customers. Not that the job is immune to disdain. Im sure it does suck.
Customer service nightmares about disputes ive heard of. Disputes caused by driver like this . Im sure the list goes on...
I just drive to get food when I order out. Cheaper, faster, more reliable, just takes more time/effort than waiting on Douche McGee to putter his way to me through 2 other orders from the other side of town. I get driving isnt an option for everyone as well though.
The upcharge for the food is because of the apps. The restaurant has to pay lots of fees--which are usually manipulated out of the owners--to even be shown on the app, with more for list rankings. So the 20% the delivery app takes, the restaurant has to eat or upcharge to offset the cost.
And some restaurants only get 40% of the sale item's cost total back. That's not including the tax, tip, fees, etc.
Most restaurants don't have shareholders lol. Corporate places like McDonald's get different deals, because they have a large number of stores, so the significantly lower percent is fine because of how much volume of business they do.
I lived on a college campus for a while with no vehicle so I ordered from delivery apps quite frequently. My experience was almost always positive. I've had missing items and I've always gotten a refund pretty promptly. I've never had food be overly late without notice or a valid cause. I've never had any rude drivers. Never had cold food, most drivers had hot bags. The worst I've had was having to walk to a driver a couple hundred meters away because I knew where they were and it was easier to just walk to them.
I think it heavily depends on the area. Id imagine a college town is probably the place where you get the best service from delivery drivers because it's probably better pay than most areas just due to volume. And most things aren't too far away. But id never order food when I was at my parents house. Too far and not much business for drivers so it would be a worse experience. Except for pizza delivery. They got that figured out in my area for whatever reason.
Or even a delivery driver who was employed by a delivery company.
Courier companies are absolutely abusing the gig economy idea just taking on "independent contractors" so they can avoid any responsibility for them and pay them fuck all.
Not saying any of that excuses what this person did or excuses passing the grievance on to a customer but it's a worse system for everyone involved except the tech company.
Well if the customer tipped shitty at that address and they’re wary of it, they could avoid that address in the future by not accepting deliveries to it (assuming the app gives the driver the address before accepting it). That’s pretty much what Papa John’s drivers used to do back in the day when I worked there. They’d see all the orders going out and first come first serve would generally pick the higher tipping ones if at all possible (based on experience in areas and how they tipped).
Wages need to stop matching 1999 and go up already, first. We subsidize wages for these businesses for a lot of different reasons. Profit margins being razor thin is a big one. People don’t realize how much it costs to buy food, pay rent, keep the lights on, and hire help. Corporations can go right ahead and fuck off, though. They have no reason not pay more. Inflation goes up, wages don’t. Tipping will never go away without addressing core issues in the country. Even if you’re an asshole that decides to stop tipping.
there is an solution for that: stop working jobs that do pay shitty so you rely on tips. you will be surprised how quickly the wages will start to climb if they cant find anybody working for them under the current way to do things.
that or the government doing their job and making sure the wages rise, but let's stay realistic
Exactly. Listen gang, I can't afford to tip you more than 10% of what my meal cost me. I'm splurging to get food delivered as it is. Please don't ruin the meal I worked hard to afford. Take your meager tip and be happy you got a tip.
Unfortunately, we can't. You can see an address if you tap on the house, but even though you can decline, you get penalized for it
There's been instances where you get shadow banned for declining too many orders in a row, or you get worse orders because you're not accepting "enough" orders
It's stupid, they really ought to make those companies just pay better but all they do is pass the blame around
This is why it shouldn't ask for a tip till after the food arrives, the same way the rides work --OR-- they should be paid enough that the tips don't factor into it.
If you see the tip and it is not to your liking, you can just not accept the order instead of committing crimes(am a delivery driver that rejects many orders)
I hate that I have to add the tip on the front end of the order. We should have the option for the tip on the backend after we've had a chance to evaluate the order. If the service is great we can leave a bigger tip. If the service was shit we can leave a 1 cent tip.
Isn't it a felony automatically when you purposely poison food? First it was the lady who opened a dudes door and took pictures of him naked and asleep on his couch and now this.
There are levels of nearly all criminal charges. They exist to (theoretically) ensure that heinous offences are not allowed minor sentencing and vice versa.
It feels like the 1st video was directly from the resident camera (so no blurring), and the 2nd one was the news, which I'm guessing has an obligation to blur.
I don't have a sense of smell ... what worries me is a driver pulling this crap and I end up eating it or touching the bag and getting it in my eyes. I hope she does some serious time for this BS.
Whats the scoop here? She jealous other people are getting food? This targeted to them? She deranged? Did they even order doordash?! Is it AI??? Am I even real?! Who are you people?!?!
You have a point. When I relied on occasional (grocery) delivery for a while, I'd add a decent tip with a note that I'd add more for a good delivery. I began doing that after a horrible delivery, and there was only one time I got a bad delivery after that. I also gave a 5 star review with glowing note for anything approaching adequate.
Did it not occur to the driver in this video, that the person might have intended to give a cash tip or to increase the tip later? Or maybe the app split up the tip in a bundle, or it was a do over (which the customer doesn't get to see so they can't tip.) Whatever the reason, the driver just poisoned someone deliberately. Should be charged accordingly.
An asthma attack can stop the heart. Some sprays are not legal because people can suffer an allergic reaction. The woman just wanted dinner, paid for it, and the driver accepted the order. Tips even out, most of us have worked some type of tippable job. The woman had a coughing fit and vomited, but that's scary.
This is why food delivery apps need to introduce a delayed tip system so people cant retaliate like this. Let the tip amount stay hidden and withhold it for a day before releasing. So even if there is no tip, there will be less chances of food tampering.
There's people who'd do this due to bad traffic, or hating their boss. Things the customer had nothing to do with. The customer could die, they don't know who has allergies or asthma.
Shit like this is why I can’t trust DoorDash and their ilk. Which is weird because I’ve been good with pizza delivery for decades. I tip well; I hope this driver gets prosecuted.
Yeah fentanyl made me laugh. Fentanyl’s in Halloween candy, it’s being mixed in bags of weed, and now they’re spraying it on food deliveries. That shit’s everywhere!
This is one of the big reasons why I never use the apps they are so bad I like my food hot and paying two X as much as I would if I go get it myself is crazy
I watched delivery drivers walk out of public bathrooms without washing their hands. I will never use these services, no clue why they're so popular, the hell did people do before these food delivery apps became a thing? Just go pick it up yourself, safer that way and it supports the restaurant
I tip 25% when I doordash / go out and I’m never worried that things like this are gonna happen to me. 🤷 The “end tipping” bullshit is coming from people who have never worked a day of their life in the service Industry. Do I think pepper spray in your food is a fair reaction to not/shitty tipping? No. But the struggle is real and Bartenders, Servers, delivery drivers ect are not charity. Put your adult pants on, buy the product from whatever company you want to buy the product from and tip at least 20% to the person (who doesn’t make shit for an hourly wage) making it, delivering it ect ect and before you go on about “get a better job” or “go to college” remember that not everyone has those resources and people are just trying to survive.
Reading these comments makes me realize why I'm such a highly rated driver when I don't do anything in particular. I know how to read and I just... Deliver the food.
I gave my scrambled eggs a little spritz once. Didn't puke, but it was a close run thing. Probably the UV dye in a lot of pepper spray didn't help the flavor either.
Stop using these services. You’ve been warned. It is 99% people that are expecting to receive 30% and are desperate and entitled enough to possibly do something to you if they don’t get it.
You’ve given your address to someone desperate and angry that believes some of your money should be theirs. Someone that has no career or standing to jeopardize with their at-will employer that takes no responsibility and has made you agree to arbitration in advance.
I tip. Before I get the food from DoorDash. I will not be adding anything after because I got my food on time and correct. I’ve had people beg and sit in their car with my food to wait for one. If you didn’t like the 18-20% tip that was listed why did you grab my order then?
It's almost as if she looks exactly like the type of person who'd do that. At which point does it become healthy judgement instead of being called prejudice?
I dont use delivery without tipping a minimum of $10. Hope I never have to pursue legal action because some ugly bitch didnt get enough quarters to keep themselves from doing something batshit crazy.
As if its not already bad enough to double the price of an Arby's sandwich by using Door Dash, this shit makes its worth it never to use a third party delivery service for fucking fast food!
I stopped ordering uber eats after I saw my pizza all vulnerable on the passengers lap. No insulated bag or anything. Just pizza box. I’m sure they opened it! NEVER AGAIN!
She even made eye contact with the camera and she still decided to spray the food.
The tipping system and the sense of entitlement you guys have built around it is so fucking nuts.
It’s a little perk, a bonus, a thank you for a job well done over and above expectations or to ensure attentive service.
It’s a nice thing.
The fact that it’s been manipulated into this political weapon for poverty and hate is honestly mind blowing. And sad.
It’s really fucking dark when you think about it.
r/EndTipping
On top of tipping, almost every place is asking me to donate round up blah blah just out of hand
A dine in movie theater started adding in an 18% gratuity automatically. Imagine: you’re sitting in a dark theater with a tiny light to see your receipt, trying to concentrate on the last 30 mins of the movie, you see your total, with a line for a write in tip but have to really pay attention to see it actually says “addl tip.” If I hadn’t realized our total was higher than I expected and examined the bill to find the automatic 18% I would’ve tipped my usual 20% on top of their 18%. Outrageous.
I tip delivery drivers (the few times I don’t want to get the pizza) and waiters/waitresses. If I have to pick up the order for carry out, I’m not tipping you. Fast food places asking me to round up? Fuck off. People whose job it is to make my food in front of me and want a tip for it? Not happening. I used to feel embarrassed clicking no tip or “custom” and putting in a $0 but not anymore. I never order DD or grubhub for fear of this kind of shit happening.
The fast food asking you to round up pisses me off the most. They will right this off in their taxes and what's worse is they are only legally required to donate 10% of the money you donate.
many places already have donated a set amount you are just putting the money back into their pockets
THIS SHOULD BE ILLEGAL! Sorry for yelling, but it’s this type of shit that truly illustrates how broken our system is. An individual can donate to a cause through a corporation and they CAN POCKET that money 🤬
Would you like to round up for charity? You pay a little more and we claim it as a tax right off.
A common misconception. In the USA (can’t speak for other countries), the collecting business is just a pass-through, and the IRS would be all over them if they tried to claim a customer’s donation as their own. The donations are tax-deductible; however, it’s you the customer that gets to claim the write off, so save those receipts if you’re not taking the standard deduction!
It’s like the myth of tax brackets. Somehow it got started that getting to a higher tax bracket would net less money because people don’t understand how they actually work, and it’s now an urban legend that is still trying to be stamped out. Schools really need to teach taxes and other finances, but I guess companies like Turbo Tax would probably lobby against it like they’ve lobbied against simple tax filing reform so they can stay in business.
That would require actually paying people living wages. I’m here for it.
Not sure what it’s like where you are but I’m eastern US & everyone expects a tip here, even when they make a living wage & do next to nothing. People try to make it political but it’s just laziness & entitlement.
Remember when dine in restaurants and food delivery used to be the only things asking for tips? Now I get asked for a tip by the register at fuckin subway.
There was a tip jar at the merchandise register of the camp store in the Great Smokey Mountains National Park. They had a grill, but you paid for the grill stuff at the grill, not the merchandise register.
There is a tip jar at my dry cleaner.... so odd.
I'll give you a tip: "Stop asking for money above the written cost of the good and/or service".
There was a tip jar at UPS.
Right like I order take out. Come in to the establishment to pickup & the look I get for writing 2-3$ for a tip.... what service did you do? Bag the food? That deserves a 20% tip? Gtfo
For me if I pick it up no tip
It’s just another way for businesses to shy away from paying employees a decent wage & lie about wages to potential new hires. It’s not like the employees of every individual company all got together and said “we deserve tips.” It’s that companies realized that by giving customers the option to tip they can tell their employees that they’re making “$x.xx/hr + tips” even if those tips are negligible. And if the tips are actually decent then the company can boast that they pay their people well without actually losing any extra capital.
Though I am curious which living-wage jobs have a tip jar, because where I live I’ve only noticed them popping up in corporate retail and fast-food where they’ve historically been no-nos.
Some businesses use tips as an excuse to lowball wages but that’s mainly in sit down restaurants. Some people are just lazy & mistakenly believe they’re worth far more than they’re actually worth to the customers & business. There’s an ice cream shop near me where they start at $25/hr in a relatively low COL area & they still put out a tip jar, it’s ridiculous.
ETA I see tip jars everywhere except the grocery store & big box stores. I can’t remember the last time I went anywhere else that didn’t have a tip jar. Even the freaking oil change places & owner-operated small businesses have them.
I used to tip drivers a small amount, like €2, since the restaurants adding driving fees up to €2-6 I stopped tipping them. I only tip at restaurants or cafes if services is good enough.
The way it should be. I agree people should be paid fairly for their service but demanding a patron pay them even if they are sub par (A tip is a discretionary payment made by a customer to a service worker, such as a server, bartender, or busser, as a token of appreciation for good service) is crazy.
That's between employee and employer. This is between her and the customer. If she has an issue with pay she needed to take it up with doordash, Uber eats or whoever she was driving for at that time. Nobody is entitled to tips. It's not the customer's responsibility to make up for whatever you think the employer shorts you. It's a bonus if they want to give one.
and living wages require a Union to actually fight for, and maintain those wages.
My family stopped tipping door dash orders because we live in a community that has multiple of the same numbers so they’ll decide it’s a quick time save to just drop them off at the first one they see.
It’s not like it’s super confusing, it just takes a quick double check with GPS. Almost every other time I have to walk to pick up delivery from 6769 A Street or 6769 B Street.
I saw on another post that you can put a PIN on your order where the driver can’t complete the order unless you give them the PIN. The person who mentioned it said they started doing this bc they lived on a street of condos that looked exactly the same, so the drivers would just leave them wherever.
Thank you, I’ll definitely do that lol.
I have a pin and a note saying that there is a green gate to look for and without fail they drop the goods off on the sidewalk next to the business nextdoor.
good luck with future deliveries. I live in a neighborhood that’s the same. It’s frustrating with nearly any delivery. Even my mail.
I used to live in a very long street (in Europe) at house number 1182. I repeatedly had to pick up packages at number 11 or 118 (address cut off in the order field). Also one year my credit score tanked because the rating company located me at house 118, which was effectively the slums.
Maybe try using a refined map pin in the DD app? That shows the driver exactly where you want it dropped off.
Not sure if that would help. It’s not like the locations are jumbled, it’s literally just the wrong street.
For reference, the door dash app is how I’m able to figure out where they actually did the drop off. It can label that address and my address right. I have reason to believe it’s accurate for the driver too and they just ignore it for whatever reason.
I’ll try to see if it works though.
Adam Ruins everything on tipping: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_vivC7c_1k
I find it very interesting that it was actually seen as poor taste earlier, but became more and more common during the 20's, with a repeal of a law in 1926 being the main driver for changing it.
My issue with tipping is… It’s been exported to other countries that doesn’t have the slave wage issues.
Americans when travelling give stupidly high tips and then locals expect everyone to do that.
People pushing tipping standards (10-15% is now too cheap and they expect 20% minimum). That’s bs… pay your employees a proper wage and stop making this awkward for your customers.
Tipping on top of tax is BS. Why is your tip taxes… is that a service charge now and not a gift?
Tipping on take out… stop asking for a tip. I’m doing all the work here.
Tipping for everything in life is stupid… tipping door man, tipping bag boy, tipping moving company that you actually pay for… etc..
Minimum tipping is only reasonable for large groups. It’s completely fine. Min tipping for a couple is a cash grab.
Agree with all you say however I will tip on take out if I ask for special stuff or I know they do my special stuff good. :)
This is mental illness
You must be from a different country.
What you’re describing is what tipping started as in the US. Tipping has now become a way for employers to pay terrible wages under the idea that the cost of labor is being split between the customer and the employer. This is why the minimum wage for servers is a fraction of the normal minimum wage. This is not to defend the absolute entitlement that has arisen in delivery drivers though.
Well look at her. Of course she did
She stepped to the side and thought she was out of view. How these dumbasses haven't realized yet that these doorbell cameras are wide angle lenses, I don't know.
This is so scary what the hell is wrong with people.
This is pretty tame... Usually it's piss.
Don't order delivery.
It's almost like there is some kind of social benefit to having a delivery person that works at the restaurant you order from... Like if the restaurants reputation is directly tied to the driver.
Nah, that's crazy.
I ordered pizza from Marco’s some time ago. I paid their delivery fee and tipped in the online payment portal. A little over an hour later a door dasher showed up with a cold pizza and no breadsticks. I was beyond pissed off, at no point did they say that they might use a third party to deliver my pizza. I emailed their corporate support team and voiced my concerns, I don’t order from them anymore though. That’s a big breach of trust in my book.
FWIW they can outsource to food delivery apps if they don't have enough drivers on hand. However, they can just always do that, too, so take it with a grain of salt.
Pretty sure they have to advertise that, especially if they are charging a delivery fee.
Incorrect. Generally speaking, restaurants are not legally required to advertise that they use 3rd party delivery services. The legal responsibilities fall on the delivery apps to show they are related to the restaurants, not the other way around.
Now, sometimes 3rd party apps will list a restaurant without their knowledge and just claim them as "take-out orders," but some states like Wisconsin force the apps to get written permission first.
The transparency is the issue, charging a delivery fee then not providing that service violates consumer protection laws in a lot of jurisdictions.
You are paying the restaurant's fee that they pay to the 3rd party company to hire an "independent contractor" to work on their behalf.
It was quite the hassle getting those apps to stop advertising us.
We didn't sign up with them. We weren't even getting the tickets. We only found out because drivers kept coming to our store.
I mean when you check out on the Marcos website. There should be some sort of disclaimer saying that they might use third party delivery services. That way I can just cancel my order and order from somewhere else.
That disclaimer is at the beginning where I live. You can't even start an order without choosing a third party or the restaurant. Personally, if there's no option to order directly from the restaurant, I don't order.
My story was from about a decade ago. It was so bizarre. Don't restaurants have to pay for the service? At least have some connection? We were all confused and the owners were livid.
It felt like extortion. "We're going to leave your info up and you'll keep disappointing people. Or you could just sign up with us and avoid the headache."
Fuck you. We've got Excedrin.
We didn't even offer delivery. Only dine-in, pick-up and catering. That food was your favorite auntie's love on a spoon. It's going directly from us to you. Oma said so.
Yeah, I was on the actual company website doing an online order, it never mentioned anything other than delivery by their friendly staff. I’m fine with someone that works for them handling my food, I’m not ok with them handing it to someone that they haven’t vetted.
So they should hire more drivers? "Wahh I'm under staffed" is a management problem.
And is usually done to save money.
e: I'm getting the dumbest rationalized responses to this. really drives home that i'm on the right track here.
Likely to cover surge period where an additional on-staff driver’s overhead would otherwise not pass a sniff cost-benefit analysis.
Marco’s is weird. I accepted a delivery from there once when I tried door dashing. The instructions stated to, “walking in smiling, wearing your dasher shirt with an unzipped DD pizza bag in hand.”
How was the pizzss
Round Table did this to me. Called them back and asked to get my delivery fee waived because 1. They didn’t let me know, 2. Where’s the damn fee going if they hired 3rd party?
The fee is going to pay the 3rd party. Amazon hires all kinds of services to delivery you packages, for example, but you wouldn't call Amazon and say you want your delivery or prime fee back because they use joe blow delivery service rather than an Amazon truck.
I hated delivery apps from the start. And glad I did. I think I only used one once and it was awful. And theyve only seemed to get worse.
Restaurants that never had delivery now had to create new processes for the delivery pickups, and it makes service for walk-in abysmal.
Delivery charge from resto + app charge + tip, all for an hour wait and cold food with missing items (and added ones in this case).
Inaccurate (usually overcharged) pricing. Missing menu items. Lack of normal app options/adjustments.
Drivers who dont care, and/or hate their jobs but take it out on customers. Not that the job is immune to disdain. Im sure it does suck.
Customer service nightmares about disputes ive heard of. Disputes caused by driver like this . Im sure the list goes on...
I just drive to get food when I order out. Cheaper, faster, more reliable, just takes more time/effort than waiting on Douche McGee to putter his way to me through 2 other orders from the other side of town. I get driving isnt an option for everyone as well though.
The upcharge for the food is because of the apps. The restaurant has to pay lots of fees--which are usually manipulated out of the owners--to even be shown on the app, with more for list rankings. So the 20% the delivery app takes, the restaurant has to eat or upcharge to offset the cost.
And some restaurants only get 40% of the sale item's cost total back. That's not including the tax, tip, fees, etc.
And im sure the shareholders were happy to absorb that cost and not pass it on the the customer... right??
Most restaurants don't have shareholders lol. Corporate places like McDonald's get different deals, because they have a large number of stores, so the significantly lower percent is fine because of how much volume of business they do.
I lived on a college campus for a while with no vehicle so I ordered from delivery apps quite frequently. My experience was almost always positive. I've had missing items and I've always gotten a refund pretty promptly. I've never had food be overly late without notice or a valid cause. I've never had any rude drivers. Never had cold food, most drivers had hot bags. The worst I've had was having to walk to a driver a couple hundred meters away because I knew where they were and it was easier to just walk to them.
I think it heavily depends on the area. Id imagine a college town is probably the place where you get the best service from delivery drivers because it's probably better pay than most areas just due to volume. And most things aren't too far away. But id never order food when I was at my parents house. Too far and not much business for drivers so it would be a worse experience. Except for pizza delivery. They got that figured out in my area for whatever reason.
Or even a delivery driver who was employed by a delivery company. Courier companies are absolutely abusing the gig economy idea just taking on "independent contractors" so they can avoid any responsibility for them and pay them fuck all.
Not saying any of that excuses what this person did or excuses passing the grievance on to a customer but it's a worse system for everyone involved except the tech company.
This is why delivery drivers shouldnt see their tip til after the delivery is complete.
Still doesn't solve the problem if they happen to deliver to your home more than once. Left me a "bad" tip last time? Well, enjoy your side of mace...
Well if the customer tipped shitty at that address and they’re wary of it, they could avoid that address in the future by not accepting deliveries to it (assuming the app gives the driver the address before accepting it). That’s pretty much what Papa John’s drivers used to do back in the day when I worked there. They’d see all the orders going out and first come first serve would generally pick the higher tipping ones if at all possible (based on experience in areas and how they tipped).
Tips are for service. Service is not for tips. Y'all gotta start paying better wages.
Tipping needs to die.
Wages need to stop matching 1999 and go up already, first. We subsidize wages for these businesses for a lot of different reasons. Profit margins being razor thin is a big one. People don’t realize how much it costs to buy food, pay rent, keep the lights on, and hire help. Corporations can go right ahead and fuck off, though. They have no reason not pay more. Inflation goes up, wages don’t. Tipping will never go away without addressing core issues in the country. Even if you’re an asshole that decides to stop tipping.
there is an solution for that: stop working jobs that do pay shitty so you rely on tips. you will be surprised how quickly the wages will start to climb if they cant find anybody working for them under the current way to do things.
that or the government doing their job and making sure the wages rise, but let's stay realistic
I tip. I hate it. I don't want to pay two bills. Raise wages, and let tipping die in the anal-related fire it deserves.
Damn, never heard this idea before. Genius bro.
I think the whole world heard of it except America..
Americans have been screaming about it for years now, it's just that not enough people want to listen
Politics being a pay to win game doesn't help either.
Or the driver could choose a different job or be a decent human being. Tipping should not even be a factor in if.you get your delivery or not.
Exactly. Listen gang, I can't afford to tip you more than 10% of what my meal cost me. I'm splurging to get food delivered as it is. Please don't ruin the meal I worked hard to afford. Take your meager tip and be happy you got a tip.
Woah I just saw you somewhere else. Are we really the 200 people keeping this website alive?
The apps generally don’t give you the address until you pick up the food. Maybe general distance but addresses are usually guarded
Unfortunately, we can't. You can see an address if you tap on the house, but even though you can decline, you get penalized for it
There's been instances where you get shadow banned for declining too many orders in a row, or you get worse orders because you're not accepting "enough" orders
It's stupid, they really ought to make those companies just pay better but all they do is pass the blame around
lol Uber and Instacart don’t tell us the address before we accept the delivery
Or you know. Just pay people properly so you don't need tips.
This is why it shouldn't ask for a tip till after the food arrives, the same way the rides work --OR-- they should be paid enough that the tips don't factor into it.
If you see the tip and it is not to your liking, you can just not accept the order instead of committing crimes(am a delivery driver that rejects many orders)
Maybe, crazy idea... Dont tip at all and pay them like normal living people.
It’s also why it should be illegal for food delivery apps to pay drivers less than the federal mileage round trip plus $15/hr.
They still know where you live.
You should have the option to tip post service as well.
Careful handling and thoughtful placement? Tip.
Spray my food with mace? No tip.
This is why delivery drivers shouldn’t get a tip until after the delivery is done.
Agreed. Always thought it was dumb. Tips are for services. If I can't experience your service yet, how can I reasonably tip you?
This is why delivery drivers should not get tips at all, but instead a living wage.
This is why I don't get my food delivered.
I hate that I have to add the tip on the front end of the order. We should have the option for the tip on the backend after we've had a chance to evaluate the order. If the service is great we can leave a bigger tip. If the service was shit we can leave a 1 cent tip.
Isn't it a felony automatically when you purposely poison food? First it was the lady who opened a dudes door and took pictures of him naked and asleep on his couch and now this.
“The Sheriff’s Office says they are investigating, and a possible charge could be consumer product tampering, a level 6 felony.
They say if it resulted in harm it would be a level 5 felony.”
From: https://www.14news.com/2025/12/08/delivery-driver-accused-pepper-spraying-food/
"He says DoorDash refunded his money, but did not seem to look into the incident very seriously.'
"They say if it resulted in harm it would be a level 5 felony."
The wife ended up sick and puking, how is that not harm ?
Also, why are there levels? Makes it sound like achievements
Life is full of nuance
There are levels of nearly all criminal charges. They exist to (theoretically) ensure that heinous offences are not allowed minor sentencing and vice versa.
Guys! We are already at level 4 if we just poison this we can get to a level 5 felony and get legandary drops!
Guys, quick, if we hide in here for a minute and spray paint the car, it'll go down to a level two and no helicopter!
I'm allergic to capsacin, so this could be a murder conviction if it were my food. Fucking terrifying
If it’s any consolation, they can give you life if someone dies.
Barely trust the people making the food, why trust those delivering it? Who knows what they are doing with it while under their possession.
I like how they blurred her face on the replay after we all saw her face at the beginning.
It feels like the 1st video was directly from the resident camera (so no blurring), and the 2nd one was the news, which I'm guessing has an obligation to blur.
I don't have a sense of smell ... what worries me is a driver pulling this crap and I end up eating it or touching the bag and getting it in my eyes. I hope she does some serious time for this BS.
I don't understand how people do anything like this anymore knowing that 90% of society has doorbell camera or cameras everywhere.
What if this person was tipping in cash? I almost always do.
I love getting cash tips
When a reddit mod gets a job
It's the blue hair and face piercings isnt it? Dead giveaway.
No it's the gunt that really gives it away
Whats the scoop here? She jealous other people are getting food? This targeted to them? She deranged? Did they even order doordash?! Is it AI??? Am I even real?! Who are you people?!?!
Shhhhh… here, have a slice of cake..
The cake is a lie!
Honestly, the answer I find makes the most sense is 'America'.
Fun fact: tampering with food is classified as an act of terrorism
To Guantanamo bay she goes!
Hot take:
A tip decided after service is rendered is a “thank you”.
A tip that is decided before service is rendered is a bribe, or extortion.
You have a point. When I relied on occasional (grocery) delivery for a while, I'd add a decent tip with a note that I'd add more for a good delivery. I began doing that after a horrible delivery, and there was only one time I got a bad delivery after that. I also gave a 5 star review with glowing note for anything approaching adequate.
Did it not occur to the driver in this video, that the person might have intended to give a cash tip or to increase the tip later? Or maybe the app split up the tip in a bundle, or it was a do over (which the customer doesn't get to see so they can't tip.) Whatever the reason, the driver just poisoned someone deliberately. Should be charged accordingly.
An asthma attack can stop the heart. Some sprays are not legal because people can suffer an allergic reaction. The woman just wanted dinner, paid for it, and the driver accepted the order. Tips even out, most of us have worked some type of tippable job. The woman had a coughing fit and vomited, but that's scary.
This is why food delivery apps need to introduce a delayed tip system so people cant retaliate like this. Let the tip amount stay hidden and withhold it for a day before releasing. So even if there is no tip, there will be less chances of food tampering.
Absolutely hate tipping culture in general.
Not a bad idea, but in this case the girl got tipped by the customers (per the article) and she still sprayed their food with pepper spray…
This justifies my pickup/carryout only policy
"Accused?" There is no accusation, there is fact caught on video.
Extra spicy
She should go to jail.
Im trying to figure out, how didn't his wife smell or see the pepper spray on the foods? Surely the smell of it was there. 🤔
That stuff is pretty darn potent.
Thats so fucked uo; but how did they also not feel the spray when picking it up and bringing it in? Would the box not have most of it, not the food?
yo thats fucked up. straight to jail
Main reason I don't order food.
My main reason is I’m too cheap for the delivery prices
Too smart to pay twice as much for shitty food.
Why do prices keep rising? Because we are ok paying them as long as we get to whine about how high prices are….
That looks like jail time to me.
What’s her motivation ? Wtf that is so wrong on every level
I'd be calling police, i think tampering with someone's food could be a chargeable offense.
They're investigating and said it could be a felony charge.
Reason 1,549 not to use door dash
What even makes people do stuff like this
Lack of empathy, mostly.
Anger or compulsion issues.
Entitled thinking.
Wish to punish anyone who offends them.
Tipping culture is just awful
There's people who'd do this due to bad traffic, or hating their boss. Things the customer had nothing to do with. The customer could die, they don't know who has allergies or asthma.
I AM THE VICTIM!!
its in a bag, how did they not notice the smell?
I doubt she thought far ahead, especially doing it in front of video doorbell. It’s not like they’re super uncommon anymore.
Siblings?
Shit like this is why I can’t trust DoorDash and their ilk. Which is weird because I’ve been good with pizza delivery for decades. I tip well; I hope this driver gets prosecuted.
Why are people still screwing with things in front of peoples doors. I don’t get it. Everyone has ring cameras now.
"Could have been rat poison, or fentanyl". Neither or those come in pepper spray cans.
My assumption is that they only checked the tape after she threw up
Yep the husband said after she got sick he checked the door cam.
Yeah fentanyl made me laugh. Fentanyl’s in Halloween candy, it’s being mixed in bags of weed, and now they’re spraying it on food deliveries. That shit’s everywhere!
This is one of the big reasons why I never use the apps they are so bad I like my food hot and paying two X as much as I would if I go get it myself is crazy
Just be a poor like me that can barely afford food let alone food delivery. That's one way to avoid it.
I watched delivery drivers walk out of public bathrooms without washing their hands. I will never use these services, no clue why they're so popular, the hell did people do before these food delivery apps became a thing? Just go pick it up yourself, safer that way and it supports the restaurant
This one is so blatant I would call it a set up, but then again I know people that stupid and yes, they usually end up in jail.
what a disgusting being
I’ve seen lately the tip options on digital checkouts are 18%, 22%, and 25%.
I’ve always tipped 20%. I’m not moving up.
I tip 25% when I doordash / go out and I’m never worried that things like this are gonna happen to me. 🤷 The “end tipping” bullshit is coming from people who have never worked a day of their life in the service Industry. Do I think pepper spray in your food is a fair reaction to not/shitty tipping? No. But the struggle is real and Bartenders, Servers, delivery drivers ect are not charity. Put your adult pants on, buy the product from whatever company you want to buy the product from and tip at least 20% to the person (who doesn’t make shit for an hourly wage) making it, delivering it ect ect and before you go on about “get a better job” or “go to college” remember that not everyone has those resources and people are just trying to survive.
I like how people are blaming the tipping system and not the person.
Reading these comments makes me realize why I'm such a highly rated driver when I don't do anything in particular. I know how to read and I just... Deliver the food.
Wait, I do not believe this, there is no way you unwrap your food and not notice the smell or the texture of pepper spray. She did not eat that shit
Why did the dasher even accepted the order in the first place 🤦♂️
To kill
I ate a piece of toast that I seasoned with pepper spray once, I also threw up
I gave my scrambled eggs a little spritz once. Didn't puke, but it was a close run thing. Probably the UV dye in a lot of pepper spray didn't help the flavor either.
idk why, but I feel like this is something papa John's would tell their drivers to do
I mean, if I was a fat ugly blue-haired weirdo, I’d hate the world too.
Why people trust delivery driver with their food at this point is beyond me. You never know what they did to your food
This is why I go get my own food.
I never order delivery for food anymore, not even pizza.
Stop using these services. You’ve been warned. It is 99% people that are expecting to receive 30% and are desperate and entitled enough to possibly do something to you if they don’t get it.
You’ve given your address to someone desperate and angry that believes some of your money should be theirs. Someone that has no career or standing to jeopardize with their at-will employer that takes no responsibility and has made you agree to arbitration in advance.
I tip. Before I get the food from DoorDash. I will not be adding anything after because I got my food on time and correct. I’ve had people beg and sit in their car with my food to wait for one. If you didn’t like the 18-20% tip that was listed why did you grab my order then?
Got more chins than a Chinese phone book.
You can tell how hateful people are by how poorly they treat themselves
It's almost as if she looks exactly like the type of person who'd do that. At which point does it become healthy judgement instead of being called prejudice?
Oh Evansville.
🤣 Evanstucky
Fat plus dyed hair, you know you are in for trouble...
So since she's a bad person, does that mean I can insult her appearance? I really want to.
Knew something was gonna happen when I saw the hair color…
I too carry fentanyl spray for personal protection
I dont use delivery without tipping a minimum of $10. Hope I never have to pursue legal action because some ugly bitch didnt get enough quarters to keep themselves from doing something batshit crazy.
Blue haired fat bitch sprays your food?? Color me surprised. Why were all the insane asylums closed again?
You can blame your hero Reagan for that one.
As if its not already bad enough to double the price of an Arby's sandwich by using Door Dash, this shit makes its worth it never to use a third party delivery service for fucking fast food!
My hometown is back on the internet again, jfc
I stopped ordering uber eats after I saw my pizza all vulnerable on the passengers lap. No insulated bag or anything. Just pizza box. I’m sure they opened it! NEVER AGAIN!
Well the customer said extra extra. Spicy 🤣😂
I just cook at home now.
Jail time