I don't want to discuss whether God exists. I'm more interested in what beings are adminstering this reality and beyond in the non-physical realm. Traditionally I like the idea that angels are providing personal aid to each and every human, and in fact my experience has lead me to believe some beings are doing this.
I believe reincarnation is an essential part of the system. So who adminsters this process as to which humans we resume human existence with over and over? Past life regressions seem to indicate it isn't a random process. Billions of people are processed through this system. No small task.
My guess but it is only a guess is that the angel concept doesn't tell the true story. Non-human entities are more likely in my opinion (of course angels might be non-human entities). Perhaps it is Mantids, as has been suggested elsewhere.
What's your hunch? Angels or aliens?
Easy. We are in Sims.. expansion pack all of them
The word angel originally meant messenger. This is also how some aliens have been described, ie channeled messages given by friendly ETs. My opinion is that angels and ETs are one and the same. Our ancestors simply described them in the context of their culture and mythology. We do the same thing today, except our culture and mythology is quite different now.
I think what we call angels and what we call interdimensional beings can probably be lumped together. From my own experiences though, the mantids are sort of the IT guys/engineers, they keep the program/functions of the universe running but they didn't create those processes, they just maintain them.
Why do they have to be mutually exclusive?
Consider this: some angels might be aliens. They can exist in many dimensions across space and time, idk - they just can! Though it's true that the general populace has indeed heard of the concept of Angels, therefore they are most likely to be believable! There is a systematic order they have out there, but it's updated from the lessons and guidance from St. Aquinas ( though if you study it, it does give one a general understanding of their system- so hopefully that helps.)
Now, as someone who has been through this strange systematic show beyond the scope of the general human populace, I'll say and admit that it's more than just one singular type of species pulling the strings. (Annuakis, Draconians, Gods, and so forth) There are cosmic laws however so only so much things can be done per individual or planet at once otherwise karma might add up on their end and that's something I hope the string pullers bear in mind. It does occasionally blow up in their faces if they aren't too careful.
Earth itself is a highly advanced society compared to its ancestors from years prior- but even in the not so distant past, there are a lot more truths intertwined that remained or appeared dormant beneath the surface. If you refer to ancient Egypt for example, there are actually a lot of correlations that led humans in a manner to advance their/our society. Some may be naysayers and deny that outright due to whatever reasoning be it religious, scientific, or some atheist views. The Nile is a river in Egypt, lads.
There are cultivators who aid in growth, and there are berserkers who thrive upon destruction ( I mean, war makes money to some people :/ ) - and then there are cosmonauts who simply just want to explore the cosmos, get to know one another, and appreciate cultures from all over the planet. The first two tends to dive more in the string pulling theory you're speaking of- but there are more people in the stars who are more... Like the general population on earth? If that makes any sense?
I know eventually at some point, ( providing our planet doesn't blow up or some trecterous disaster causing ruin) that we humans and other species ( they live here too! ) will indeed come in contact with extraterrestrials out in the open. We can only hope that it'll be a peaceful manner but knowing from what most can recognize throughout history- we tend to fear the unknown. I mean, it is a mixed bag of peeps out there- some who don't really give a hoot if one lives or dies or not. Then again, there are far far more beings hopeful for a peaceful union/reunion.
From what I've seen, humanity itself is on a cusp- but we won't know when the tipping point will get there. Here's hoping that our upper escelon of government based systems will be brave enough to tell the general public about it before we are blindsided.
There are far more worse fates than death, and there are things out there who love to use others as test subjects for their liking. :( I've heard some scary things from my own experience, and from others.
Spirits are a thing too, OP. Though it varies from space to place. Good post though!
You may not want to discuss God but there are so many NDE experiencers that talk about God existing as a bright being or spot of light telepathically communicating with them in regards to “coming back” to their incarnation and reincarnating. Pre-birth memories also reveal God playing a role or giving the final okay for the incarnation. Of course there are helpers too, and so many people discuss meeting with people who will be in their incarnation and their (formerly human) guides and ancestors to make life plan decisions. My daughter was 6 years old when she told me about remembering that God made her body out of clay then shrunk her down so she (her soul) could go into her new body.
I’m not sure if I’ve ever heard about NHI being involved in pre-birth memories, though I’m sure it’s happened on rare occasions. It seems like NHI like greys and mantids seem to be more associated with being incarnation helpers rather than assisting with original life plans & reincarnation. But I’m open to hearing stories about NHI helping in these ways!
But what if the light is a deception? What if what people who have had NDE are experiencing isn’t “god” but in fact a part of the manipulation to reincarnate rather than evolve and ascend to a higher state of being?
We are all gods. Fractals of the one source. Like the branches of a tree are still the tree. And ripples in the ocean are still the ocean. And we all recycle into source. That explains everything to me personally. And I find comfort in that too, weirdly
No one is running the show. There is no objective reality. It’s written into relativity. No objective reference frame. I personally believe that there was a creator, an initial cause, but that’s as far as it goes. After the initial moment of the big bang, objectivity dies.
EDIT: Reincarnation is cope. We’re just electromagnetic signals in meat. You do not remember before you were born, there is no reason to believe you would remember after you are gone. If nothing is conserved, such as memory, reincarnation doesn’t do anything.
oh but there is memory..childeren of 5 or less years, speaking other unknown languages..knowing unknowable things..its been documented in countless cultures.
People absolutely do have past life memories, some work out of the university of Virginia I believe has some great studies on this. Plus lots and lots of books, many by credible people have studied this phenomenon.
No one is administering our reality. Maybe that is the one thing humans don't want to admit. We might have to face that fact. Is that what waking up really means? To know that we have to rely on self?
Yes. No one will save you, not even yourself. This is all actually pointless and meaningless in objective terms. We make up the meaning and goals mutually. For more information, browse Ludwig Wittgenstein.
I will, thank you.
Are we all just a soup of consciousness collectively responsible for this current reality?
What makes you think those two things are any different? Just the names used? If you go deep on summoning/communicating with other beings you quickly realize such terminology somewhat falls apart. Demons/Angels are programmed beings with roles and responsibilities, some of which might benefit you...some of which might not. They are alien in the sense that they do no think and process like a human can, but in ways that we find alarming and contrary to our experience as humans.
We are the producers. Gods the director 🙌🏼 Everyone is the star in their show. Your mood determines your story board. Choose wisely.
The bad ones
our mom and dad are fighting
youre not interested in whether or not gods are real? lol
We might be in heaven or hell… and we are the very God’s of our own existence — with an important environmental (or collective) dream component.
My short answer , is I think who/what we perceive here and now are not the ancient/elders who I think were banished . The current visitors are just part of a hierarchy that has been evolving since the big bang . They like us are waiting for the Alpha/Omega to step in/return and when He/Them do get here I think they will be very pissed off .
I think our laws of physics apply to whole universe and it’s builders , if the A/O was here 150,000 years ago it might be that long to get back , in the mean time the neighborhood has gone down hill .
The judgement might be like the old days here when mom said " I brought you into this world and I can take you out of it “ Do not piss off mom .
Whoever is in charge is an entirely different intelligence, most likely a much higher intelligence. Perhaps that is why people so often interpret them as aliens or reptiles.
They strive to empathize with us and they do love us very deeply in their own way, but they frequently miss the mark. For example, it seems suffering and dealing with the consequences of our choices is an imperative of human existence. I understand that but it seems like it goes too far. Like why are pedofiles, serial killers and war crimes necessary? Could we not learn our lessons with a less extreme torture? Why would a system be designed for that? Especially when these actions cause trauma so deep it seems to perpetrate more evil rather than improve anything. Every kindergarten teacher knows that chronically stressed children cannot learn and grow. All their resources go towards survival. Adults are the same.
I get that we need the dark to appreciate light and all that, but these kinds of extremes weaken the system and stagnate the evolution of consciousness.
Sometimes I truly believe a higher intelligence might actually be a bit smug, with its own blind spots and problems that snowball out of control. They are probably akin to any exhausted parent who eventually has to say “I did the best I could with the resources and skills available at the time”. There is nothing left to do but dust off their shoulders, pick up the pieces and move on.
I’m saying our creator/s are most certainly fallible.
I agree! I simply cannot believe that the pain of human existence is anything other than punishment. There is no soul/character building that could ever warrant causing such immense pain in my opinion. The idea that I will reincarnate as every living human (or being, even) has me shaking in my boots. Imagining the reason behind going through the worst pain that every human has ever experienced is unfathomable.
I also think that the building blocks of survival in the plant and animal kingdom is evil.
Yes. The whole idea of survival of the fittest is disturbing at best. I cannot imagine a greater consciousness started out inherently good. It think it just needed to start somewhere, anywhere, and this is where we landed.
On a happier note, we do seem to be getting better. Many societies see child labour, rape and murder as a crime. Although we have so much work to do and the rich absolutely cannot be above the law
We're not getting better. The data does not lie. Inside the human domain, there exist more human slaves today than at any other point in human history. Outside the human domain, the Anthropogenic Extinction Event is exterminating all biological life on our home planet.
This includes the phytoplankton. They produce 80% of all oxygen on the planet. Yet, their numbers have dwindled by 40% since the 1950's and continue to decline by 2% per annum today. Why? Anthropogenic ocean acidification. Why? Anthropogenic climate change. Why? Fossil fuel consumption.
For most human and non-human life, Planet Earth has become a literal Hell. It is becoming difficult to add more Hell. We are approaching maximum capacity for everything, including the capacity to either invent or experience more Hell.
As long as the human race continues to not hold their politicians, bankers and oligarchs accountable for their constant misdeeds this will continue. Most people won’t admit what they see right in their face every day. It’s literally like the twilight zone for people that can see how topsy turvey it is .
You’re right. The emperor wears no clothes.
Go damn exactly. Political scholars sound absolutely ridiculous
the reason for the human suffering you mention is karma/punishment for what we do to animales.
Yes, and each other along with the land and all its beautiful creatures, the water, the air
You may be in your something there.
I’m proud of myself. I’m nowhere close to becoming a vegan, let alone a vegetarian but I am finding ways to incorporate more plant based protein and I’m finally doing it a way that does not leave me hungry and miserable. It’s not an easy transition for many though. I do feel guilty about eating meat, for the planet as well as how animals are treated in slaughter houses. I’ve been learning the people working there are also deeply traumatized but the research is still developing. The way we consume animals in modern times is abhorrent
In a way though, you are expanding on my point. An all knowing creator would be able to teach us in a way where we can make these connections intuitively. A good teacher makes information digestible. In my Western mind, I would never connect meat eating with pedofiles. I would just never see the correlation or causation here on my own.
A higher consciousness, in theory, should be able to provide lessons in the earth life system to help us make those connections naturally.
Tom Campbell believes our creator created this simulation to provide experience to develop its own consciousness and I would have to agree with that. Based on what I see, I cannot sensibly believe in an omnipotent creator.
Tom Campbell also wants you to pull yourself up by the bootstraps if the end of his interview on Wisdom From North is any indication. I haven't read any of his work but I'm taking his take with a big-ass grain of salt. I'm 62 but I'd far rather partake in some avocado toast with the Gen Zs.
You are the Buddha having tea with the Buddha
Yep
A class IV civilization is my theory. My Hypothesis. I've posted it elsewhere to some chagrin from the mods unfortunately.
But we are the spoils of a competition amongst several different classes of beings. But a Class IV civilization is what most would consider "angels". There are lesser classes of beings that are different factions fighting and essentially serving as the "rebels" against that more powerful class.
Those "rebels" might be things like "The Fallen" in our myths and legends. Cast out, and essentially "hiding" here on earth.
That's my theory. There's more to it, but I digress from fear of flouting any mod rules.
I have had a theory that “angels” are actually entities that are guiding the “lost” aka those that haven’t chosen a path of service to self, vs service to others. From that choice is where all our imagery and metaphorical stories have risen. Light vs dark, goo vs evil, etc. The veil in this current incarnation is our way of learning to make that choice and to either be in vibratory “homeostasis” with other entries whom are similar in wavelengths. We shall keep repeating these incarnations until that choice is made
That is possible, of course. No one knows. I definitely don't know for sure. But my theory that I arrived at after consuming and binging a lot of media about out of body experiences OBE's, and near death experiences NDE. I've arrived at the theory that there is specifically a"Class IV" type civilization, that is basically overseeing everything. Meaning us.
This civilization, you could think of as something like the empire in Star Wars. I don't mean that in a bad way, because I don't know. I mean, in terms of a civilization that we cannot understand. That is so far beyond us in terms of energy that they consume, provide, and create, that they exist in ways that we can't properly comprehend.
Because of this, it's my belief that when we have encountered them, we have viewed them in the manner that is described in our religious texts. A manner such as having things that we call wings, but we only call them that because that's what we analogize them to be as if they were from here. But what if they're not?
This was a wonderful thread to read. Thanks for posting your question OP and for all these thoughtful responses.
In a nutshell, we are, but not in the way you would expect. We are part of a greater consciousness and we, the angels, the aliens and others contribute to the growth of the whole. May I recommend reading Robert A Monroe's book 'Far journeys'. Two chapters are particularly interesting, one is called 'The mystery of loosh'. The other, 'Rote BHP-1 Compressed learning category human'. If you're asking questions like your OP then this may be of interest to you. I found it to be extremely informative. Remember that this understanding is capped by the ability to conceptualise, an area where humans are greatly restricted so the school of compressed learning functions as intended.
I read Bob's first book but I guess I need to start the next one. I heard he kind of refined his loosh idea as many people wrongly took it as a negative concept.
I think the loosh chapter alone is one of the most disturbing things I ever read. It gave me a weird feeling for quite a while. Re reading the book and Rote BHP-1 made things much clearer.
I am a mod of r/gatewaytapes. We have written posts about the misinformation about loosh and how he actually tells you it’s love to make us learn how to love more and just a couple of chapters later he talks about how reincarnation is fixed sometime he calls “the year 3000” where anyone can incarnate into a human body, have some experiences and they leave again. This is how higher level beings do it - read about Babaji and saints in Autobiography of a Yogi to understand this concept more. Also Tom Campbell - who helped co-create the gateway tapes and was there when Bob had the loosh experience also says that Bob never meant it to mean we were living in a prison planet.
A bunch of mods from related subreddits put together a resource called r/ExposingPrisonPlanet with first hand resources refuting the misinformation and cherry picking of NDE, OBE and experiencer accounts. One thing we contributed was Bob Monroe himself saying we do not live in a prison planet and explaining in his own words about loosh. There is a lot of people making money or even just trying to proselytize their belief system so they exaggerate the details and accounts.
Turtles all the way down man.
The spiral light of Venus rising first and shining best.
If you're the police, who polices the police?
A multidimensional recursive fractal folding back in on itself; ouroboros, no step on snake.
Is this the end or beginning? The whistle is screaming.
We are.
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It just is what it is and we are part of that everything that is
Larry Fink
I am, but there’s just way to many of me here so it gets complicated because they are not yet fully aware of their relevance.
Consciousness is running the show. We just have a very limited understanding of what consciousness is and how it operates at the higher levels. It's pretty wild.
In my opinion you are. But maybe is a wider you than you usually notice.
Are you me?
In a wider way that I usually notice? 😅
Us. The very people within the system
Based on my pre-birth memories it’s us running things. There’s like an architect organizer planner entity above us, which I’ve always assumed it must be what everybody here calls “God” but other than that it’s all just consciousnesses like us that are doing all the activities to prepare, support, and plan. The guides and companions that were with me at the in-between place didn’t have higher status than me, they just had different roles.
*Ever since I was a baby I remember one past life and the in-between place, and plus in this current life I’ve had one NDE. So I have to answer questions like this from my unusual perspective.
I always imagine there's like a council or group of NHI that set up this existence and watch over it, maybe tweek our DNA along the way, but that we are the ones who make all the final decisions. Like the NHI set up the race course, organized the races, and decided on the rules, but we're the ones running the races for our own benefit.
Maybe Earth is a giant experiment that generates human bodies for our consciousness to inhabit, lets us be intelligent at some point, then watches to see what we do and how we progress. Maybe they have plans for us depending on how well we do, both as individuals and as a group. Or maybe they get bored and switch to something else, some other version of an ant farm.
One thing about my memories that’s different from other accounts - I didn’t plan my life at all. They came to me with a complete plan and I just agreed to it. Ever since 2015 when I started reading other people‘s memories, that’s been an intriguing point of contention with me. Cause I know for a fact that I didn’t make any decisions about the detailed conditions of my life. They needed somebody in this position so they offered it to me and I accepted.
Very interesting Thank you for sharing.
That is so interesting and this might sound naive but do you believe you could purposefully deviate from that plan?
pure consciousness.
You asked about our experience, and while you said you dont want us to talk about God, that's precisely who I met!
I am not religious, I dont worship, but I had a near death experience and I met that mystical magical fucker who most refer to as God. I'm pretty sure it's running a lot of this.
Technically, the thing I spoke to called itself "Rabb", not God. It said it was "a combination of all humans" when I met it. Later on it said it was "the story of humanity". And also "the intersection of God and Humanity".
It gave me a lot of confusing info. It said "God" is all that is good in the universe, the universe being "everything conceivable."
"Rabb" was where humanity overlapped with God.
My higher self said there's a "personality matrix" that determines which bodies we inhabit for each incarnation. For the path I'm on and my girlfriend are on, we swing back and forth between polarized concepts in life. This time around I am empathetic to the working man. Last time I guess I was an Oligarch prick.
The thing is, not every soul incarnates this way using the personality matrix. It was pretty clear that "everything conceivable exists", so on my path, I'm definitely being guided by God in this weird system for my incarnation, but its totally possible someone else's incarnation is guided by something else. Each incarnation may be in an entirely different dimension. The Earth you're on now may not have been the exact same dimension you're in now, maybe in your last incarnation, history was different.
We all live in different realities even though we interact with each other. In one reality, bigfoot exists, in another its a guy in a suit.
I guess what I'm getting at is each human life is an individual experience and the rules of that reality differ. I dont think you can even answer who's in charge on a spiritual level because consensus reality appears tight for direct human interactions, but wildly inconsistent outside of that.
I think there’s a problem with the question of “Angels or aliens” which is that it’s a projection of our pretty ill-informed (in terms of direct experience) concepts. This dichotomy is already breaking down when you look at Bledsoe’s experiences and to a lesser extent with Robert Monroe’s accounts and the . I think we would do ourselves a big favor to just go with the term “NHI” and throw out our old concepts that are probably blinding us to certain realities. Not saying we can’t use our pre-existing concepts, I mean NHI is a pre-existing concept, I just mean maybe we should avoid ones that are particularly loaded like angels and aliens. Personally I suspect that a helpful pre-existing framework for our purposes of discussing who is “running” things here reincarnation-wise, would be the LoO’s framework of Service-to-Self vs Service-to-Others. That question seems very material to our interests. My hope and intuition is that the folks running the reincarnation show are service to others and there’s some evidence for this (dream lessons a la Robert Monroe, the life reviews from NDE’s, etc. all point to a kind of progression and learning framework.). Of course, I may never get to know in this incarnation…
IDFK i just hope who ever runs this show makes the Duffer brothers suffer this lifetime and the next.
You yourself, ARE god. It’s all a big act and you’re playing all the parts. Must have hit the “randomize button” so that it doesn’t get stale. No worries though.. it’s all made because of love.
You are running your own experience from the top to the bottom. You are All That Is experiencing itself infinitely.
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Following Babel, we are told that the nations and people were divided amongst the Sons of God. We can use this backdrop to interpret basically any myth from any recorded culture in history that describes war and infighting amongst these Sons of God over control of nations and people and the right to rule. There is one leader amongst them that claims dominion over all others and all on Earth.
i dont think God is running it anyway, it appears to just passively exist according to NDEs
i dont think the concept of angels etc or them helping people is incompatible with NHI. I think we have two key realms: inside incarnation and outside incarnation. Angels are discarnate souls that assist incarnated souls but have no skin in the game, while NHI are incarnated souls and have skin in the game and thus why they have their own motives.
If we consider reality to be a collaborative game, then some players are further along and have more advantages than others, such as NHI clearly do, while angels etc handle the meta of the game outside of it, and help struggling players.
I can’t see how any of this reality is passive or how less forceful NDEr’s could be participating .
What do you mean by “NHI are incarnated souls and have skin in the game”? Can you explain further what this looks like or implies?
we're both souls, the exact same souls, incarnating into bodies that evolved within the laws of this universe. This is what NDErs tell us, as well as many abductees. NHI have their own motives within this universe the same exact way humans have their own motives.
We all exist in the mind of God (Source, Creator, The One, whatever). We all are running the show.
Many cooks in the kitchen
Best I've been able to gather the universe itself is fundamentally conscious. Quantum physics tells us that even photons and atoms are conscious enough to know that they are being watched and change their behavior accordingly. Quantum computing also tells us that atoms working together increase in intelligence by a full exponent for every additional entangled atom in the array. They can instantly every possible state simultaneously without the limitation of time. So the the mind of God or universal consciousness is VAST so much so that we cannot grasp the vastness of it! We cannot even try!
We do try and that is how we know
All of this „management” doesn’t have to happen like we humans are imagined and created here. I think our organic consciousness can’t quite comprehend the different methods of things happening. We can only imagine with what we have here, and it’s not at all like that I’m sure.
If you can imagine it you are creating it , the system is however very complex . Our organic consciousness is only a smidgen of total consciousness but they are still connected .
Behind all the smoke and mirrors, a kind of machine seems to be hidden. One that creates everything you believe in.
I would venture that the reality of what exists beyond our knowledge and for what humans conceptualize as an afterlife is nothing we can comprehend, if anything exists. I was raised religious but find most things constructed by humanity with a hierarchical foundation to be too corrupt. While religions may have started out of purity, they have been warped into ways that are used to control masses similar to how governments operate at times. So, I am no longer religious, but do sense (maybe it's just hope) something exists after.
Lately, I have found Gnosticism to be quite compelling. There are many things attributed to that label, but I'm looking at the core concept of knowledge and it being withheld from humanity. The stories involving the demiurge, archons, reincarnation, etc are a fascinating way for me to open my brain to the possibilities outside of standard religions.
Who knows where I will end up in my beliefs at the end of my life as I'm still fairly young and will always be seeking new information. But, for now, I have found comfort in the awakening inside me from what I mentioned. If you're interested in finding out more, there is new information being posted online constantly about the concept of the demiurge, archons, the role of reincarnation, and everything surrounding them. Feel free to DM or reply and let me know what you discover and think about it all.
I think you are on the right track just need the bigger picture , much bigger
The law of Love.
My perspective is a little different but I think angels and aliens might be the same thing they are facets or archetypes that have been worshipped since ancient times. I think we are all ultimately made from the same energy and that’s where we will return.
Almighty God, sorry to break it to you. Who made the angels and the aliens? God, so why do you not pray to him? Smh people be so lost when the answer is right in front of them
"God" is a term with a huge amount of baggage. And which one are you referring to? Do you think any of the religious texts could have been distorted and mistranslated over time for less-than-godly reasons?
You probably shouldn't blame or judge people, who may have negative experiences with religion, for being avoidant.
Patience , nobody alive in this realm sees the whole plan and should not be judged for their part in it , by the likes of us anyway ...
Someone who simply does not care about us as individuals.
Believe it or not you (and everyone else) are important parts of the long term plan and matter to its outcome .
Which is why I said "as individuals". For them, we are just cogs in a machine. All the evidence I gathered so far indicates that they don't care about our individual well-being, as long as we keep being useful for their purposes.
I don’t know what the cells in my hand are doing right now, but I know they are there, but do my cells know they are part of my body? Or are they just living their best life, unaware of the totality?
Sometimes I wonder if I’m a cell, a necessary part of something larger.
You are as are we all , me I’m just an asshole ...
I was thinking about this. We aren’t consciously aware of all the processes occurring in the body we inhabit, or in the environment we inhabit. It’s possible it continues like that beyond human life and death.
We may be one part of a larger system, playing our role, being carried and nurtured and guided by the flow of this intricate system. We do not have to understand it or even be aware of it in order to exist in it and evolve in it.
Consider colonial organisms). They are groups of living things which come together to form a shared existence for mutual benefit. I find siphonophores particularly compelling as they look like individual organisms but are all connected to play their part in the system.
So, it may be instinct, the drive to live and survive, a pull to grouping with others who can help you attain that goal.
We are just lately seeing more research on the concept of interoception; one’s awareness of internal body signals and processes. This could be a path to peek behind the curtain. Of course backstage is infinitely vast, but this may be one part of the scene. Getting in touch with what makes it all come together.
This by nature is a glimpse at consciousness. Consciousness is what we deem as knowing. It is making sense of all the separate parts. It is viewing the whole system from above, all at once. I think that is bigger than you or me or the individual. It is bigger than anything we’ve been able to comprehend so far.
Looking at the state of inequality, poor resource management and the guilt i feel when I'm enjoying basic things, there's no doubt evil runs planet Earth because good won't gain power to do so at any cost, otherwise, it too would be classified as evil.
My assumption is that if i were a higher entity looking to recruit other planetary members, i'd want to know you have clear intentions to want to be good in a world full of temptation rather than do-gooders in disguise because a higher power told you to be so.
As for whether they're Angels or aliens, well, aliens do make the bible more believable so if they run on love and well being across the board, then who cares.
There is definitely a connection to the biblical nephilim, but no proof yet. Truth is, this is a mystery and if you start guessing explanations based on what makes sense, you are already on the wrong path. Open questions is the way to go.
Just sharing for a combined growth and not any showoff This is not from any crazy dmt trip etc i dont do that
In one of my experience i saw the universe inwards. Like rn imagine universe being the computer screen and the movies being played on the screen
But i saw universe as the computer chips running uncountable infinite calculations to run those movies on the screen. Actually i saw these weird dimensions it was definitely not 3d 4d it was weird globules on the entire space surface like a ripple or wave of space fabric on which infinite quantum level calculations are running which run each and everything, all the physics calculations, mathematical calculation through which each and everything occurs and so precise that nothing will lag like in a computer game.
I tried to make sense of it. I still think if i should share this or not. I try to connect this with my childhood thinking when i used to think everything works on its own and money comes magically in the house dishes wash themselves imean that kinda silly but we all.used to.think everything works on its own but the older you get you understand it was your elders who were hamdling everything and now you are mature enough to get it after getting education and being worthy of the responsibilities by learning and listening to your good elders.
Same way still.the universe and all.things do not go about their business on their own. Their are calculation for everything every dust particle every atom every electrom, quark...
And when you are worthy enough learn more you will find another being who is handling things around you handling matter, handling, worlds, handling universes, handling reality
If worthy is a qualifier I’m in deep shit . I think you are seeing 26 billions years of ever expanding complexity . The hope is someone/ thing/entity/being/God has it under control and there is a fix/patch/download in the works .
I was an atheist, before my experience. I still am, in a sense.
Now, there is no doubt in my mind that these beings were the same beings mentioned in old religious texts and myth across the world, the parallels are all there.
But, I'm in a weird spot where I still don't believe these creatures are divine or demonic, they are just some advanced species , evolved beyond our current understanding of reality.
Essentially , I feel like the popular religions around the world are cargo cults built around these beings, distorted over a millenia for a number of reasons. They must have interacted with humanity in the past, and their technological feats were so incredible that it left a long lasting impression, to the point cults about them persist to this day.
Humans have a long history of assigning divinity to what they don't understand. What we think as "paranormal" is just a "normal" we don't yet understand.
I am in the same boat as you, so to speak. I am too much of an atheist to call them angels or demons. They have to have a species name, right? Even if they are some kind of plasma or sentient light, then I would classify them scientifically. I am more of a spiritualist now, I suppose, but I feel that there has to still be a scientific explanation to everything.
Physics metaphysics same coin what’s inside ?
Proper physics explains the metaphysics. It is all explainable. It's not magic to me.
Have you seen this yet ? I’m still wading thru it , maths not my strong suit
https://pubs.aip.org/aip/adv/article/15/11/115319/3372193/Universal-consciousness-as-foundational-field-A
Yes, that is along the lines of what I am describing. I don't understand it. I got a B in physics. My point is, it is explainable once smarter people than me figure it out.
"The cause is unknown , the effects are visible to all .” Ovid
I hope we don’t have to wait as long as Ovid
The demiurge?
I don't know, I'm extremely tired and I don't even have a "hard" life. I'm pretty sure the devils are ALWAYS with me, every fucking microsecond of my existence, in droves. Where are the angels? They sometimes give me some energy in dreams but come on, it's like 5 nights out of 10 thousand, I need more of it - why aren't they helping? Maybe there is too few of them, I don't know.
Praying to ancestors has helped even if you’re not religious, being kind to those he are suffering and following intuition can start to shine out the dark and attract positive energy
Take some me time , block the gates put up barriers to the voices that are not positive . Get reacquainted with your inner voice . Gradually start to build trust . Focus on the good .
Stay strong be blessed
You are feeding the looge. Source is pain, fear, trauma. In this realm. So, do your best to vibe high. it pisses the matrix off.
I think you mean “ loosh” (Not that I ascribe to that way of viewing existence)
I meant looge.
My life has been cursed from the get-go - it's like an experiment in how to completely break someone down - five years ago I thought things couldn't ever get any worse, how wrong was I? It's like purgatory - small encouragement followed by endless crippling defeat...all I have left to lose now is the (borrowed) roof over my head...
Some will tell you that if you couldn’t handle it you wouldn’t be living it , yeah cold comfort but I will tell you it can always be worse.. much much worse . That’s not a prediction . There is a plan find and stick to it to the best of your ability , your so called failure maybe the inspiration to ,say Ok-Tree-
I'm living a parallel life
I think the galactic federation are the ones running the show, with the mantis beings, small and tall greys, tall whites, and nordic beings having a permanent presence here to manage the planet in some way under some kindd of rulle set but the federation. I believe that the above species facilitate visits and scientific exchanges on earth from many others civilisations in the galaxy, making sure they abide by certain rules, such as remain Clandestine, return the abducted, non interference etc
Mantis beings are the one mentioned as guides in the afterlife, as per Michael Newton's deep hypnosis sessions (he mentions their aura being purple and wearing a medallion, which is what we know mantis to bel like in the ufo folklore). But the mantis are not the ones running the system, it's the various "councils" we meet after the life review.
It is I, for which you seek.
You have been ducking and screening then...
Yaldaboeth is the ruler of this physical system, your intuiting gnostic teachings you should look into them if you haven't already
From my understanding angels, especially archangels, aren’t so much a distinct conscious entity, as they are an enormous energy that has particular traits. For example, Archangel Michael isn’t so much an inter-dimensional fighter dude named Michael as it is the the force of courage, protection, strength, and the ability to cut away what stands in the way of those. Archangels represent arenas where every human needs help, and you can call upon and align with those energies.
It works better for our brains to see angels as clear entities though, and that’s why they appear that way to us.
its weird, i dont think there is a single entity/force running whatever this is.
i do think some of us are sent here to help, protect, improve & create. i think entities also have the capability to 'raid' or 'invade' certain types of consciousness. whether its aliens or demons i guess that belongs to whatever you follow. ive been welcomed to the marble gazebos where philosophers gather. & ive had entities informally introduce themselves to me.
reincarnation is also a choice, its like soldiers enlisting. &&& i think the biggest one of all , the ones with major power have favorites.
Us. Our higher consciousness/oversouls, the cohesive entities with many facets or parts who incarnate across multiple lives and universes.
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Oop. Good click.
I think the universe is a superimposed collection of many quantum fields. The fields are distinguished by regularities and symmetries of simple numbers (1, 2, 3, etc) and their multiples. This regularity gives rise to geometry and space, and energetic configurations that can be considered highly native (resonant) and less native (discordant), in much the same way different chords in music are harmonious or less harmonious. The result of this assymetrical harmony, is where we get duality from, and the rhythm of tension and release, but never stillness. There was once stillness, but as the music began, we now exist in constant pendulum between harmony and dissonance. Harmonious energetic configurations gave rise to consciousnesses born of triangles (Sri Yantra, most trees, birds), circles (phi spirals, sunflower, lotus). Less harmonious configurations gave rise to more duality, division, number 2, 4, 8, (snakes, bulls, goats scorpions, spiders) that constantly divide without a remainder 1. When they ascend/transcend, they find themselves splitting, without a central node to emerge as the mediator. They are always in two minds. Humans have a central node - the pineal and pituitary (gender pair). The tongue. The clitoris and male glans (gender pair). Because of this, we are capable of singular thought, unity. None of this means harmony = good and dissonance = bad. Both were created when the whole was split. The whole is never split equally. Humans are made of 1, 3, 5, 7, 12/13. The final numbers of 12/13 are very interesting. We are not complete. Our final form is hidden/blocked. The endpoint of our octave is.. undefined. In the same way that a complete octave in music is actually about 24cents off from perfect, in 12 tone equal temperament. Which means we are still being shaped by these resonances. We are not completely defined yet. The final node of the sephirot is yet to be defined.
So to answer who runs things? Whoever is the dominant energetic configuration, on the plane that you define as 'reality.' Each plane has a native frequency/resonance. Our 3rd dimension/density, has a collection of quantum fields that gave rise to our spacetime geometry, our DNA, our biology. Most life native to 3rd density observes this framework. The ones that are most natively configured have the strongest ability to interact with and manipulate the framework. Mantids are borne of 3, purer than we are, so I would give them the lead on it. However, our ability to tap into fields borne of 5 and 7, is also special. I believe that the astral realm is of frequency 5, and all multiples of it, so 5/10/15/20 to infinity. This is why the astral pervades so many other densities. It is just highly regular.
Mu
Ah the sphinx! What’s interesting is I was in eckankar for 20 years and we’d sing Hu. Ten years ago come to find out it’s the secret name for Mu. And it was sang from dusk till dawn. Something there. Elongated skulls. Ankanaten’s daughter Scota sailed to the British isles and founded Scotland. A few days ago, I woke up with a vision of God eating itself, like a blob eating itself from the inside and becoming renewed. Not much like the oroborus but similar. Pregnancy is the parasite that gives new life. Parasite rebirth sorta thing. Eaten from the inside to create new. So spiritual renewal is God rediscovering itself/herself/himself/yourself as the observer creating reality as thinking it. On that note, an interesting parallel in biology is the power generator of the cell, the mitochondria. It was originally a bacteria that made a permanent home inside a cell and now produces a multiple of energy units compared to the previous way of producing energy. So abductions? Implants? Maybe part of the process. But consciously we choose to be the host or the predator. Didn’t the Ebens have to make the same conscious choice of another race that kept attacking them? They destroyed them completely and consciously lest be destroyed themselves.
I understood :-)
TLDR: So the big mantid 'creators' make universes. God is outside of that, even. Each universe is a like a flash of lighting during a storm - where the action happens. Earth is controlled by a giant orb 'Lucifer'. Jesus spawns and is showing our souls the way to enlightenment and eventually escape. The battle continues, but the lord of this realm is not Jesus. It is a dark realm, we reincarnate into to learn 'simple' lessons, but we overcomplicate our experience. I am open to correction/realignment 🤷♂️
I think some of us (me) are not here to learn anything but to do a job in line with your escape this dark realm situation .
Mantis beings, based not on my experience but on what I have read across the spectrum.
They are described as the bosses of the Greys, who perform abductions. Many abduction accounts describe soul transfer. Linda Moulton Howe reported such a case in her book Glimpses of Other Realities, Volume 2, page 317.
Here are some snippets and images from her book.
https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/s/96UbQqqhA1
That is a very interesting read and actually I agree. Especially the part about how they could do the souls transfers, but knew it was a no no. That’s in keeping with a spiritual law called the law of non interference. If you break it then you inherit the karma of that person for interfering. Every soul is on a journey of their own discovery. God rediscovering himself/itself/herself. Experiential transmutation transformation rebirth over and over until discovering/rediscovering the great nothingness that is the source of everything. From nothing comes everything. So nothing really matters, so to speak haha.
Wash rinse repeat , but with this great new detergent I got from the NHI that visits . Except every little thing .. matters
I like her. Smart lady. Stanford educated. She connects things.