A lot of people in the prairies have family lines back to Ukraine, just like Quebec has with France, and given they have their own dialect of French, I can believe it.
As I remember the story - and I could be missing parts of it - when they started the Royal Commission on Bilingualism and Biculturalism in the 1960s, there were a couple of Ukrainian-Canadian politicians who said, "Hold up, wait a minute," and their work resulted in the commission saying that Canada wasn't just bicultural, it was multicultural.
My impression - and again, I could be missing some of the history and would be glad to be corrected - is that First Nations and Inuit peoples didn't start getting treated seriously in constitutional and treaty terms until the late 1980s (with the failed Charlottetown Accord) and the early 1990s (with the Oka Crisis and subsequent Royal Commission on Aboriginal Peoples). First Nations undeniably count, but Canada was embarrassingly slow to stop trying to deny.
EDIT: IIRC, best we were able to do before the 1980s was Dief the Chief giving Indigenous individuals the vote in 1960. Liberals of the era were patronizing toward Indigenous peoples in a way that was kinda gross.
I remember going to elementary school with some Four Nations Cree kids and sensing that something was fucked up with the situation, but it wasn't until the past few years, forty years and a couple of suicides later, that I started to understand exactly how and why it was so fucked up. Just this whole system set up to erase them, or to get them to erase themselves... goddamn.
Yeah it’s a country of immigrants from all over and everyone should proud of it, whether it’s connections to Nigeria, or South Korea or somewhere more “typical” like the UK
French in Quebec (and in Canada as well) is not a dialect (in the French meaning of dialect). It’s like saying that Canadian or USA English are dialects. It’s French with a different accent and with words to describe different reality and environnement. And French was spoken in Canada long before it was I’m the vast majority of France. That said, I may ignore a peculiar meaning of “dialect” in English.
You're not wrong, though maybe to some extent there's a "popular" meaning of dialect in english at the same time. Also I don't know this for sure, but I think besides the accent there are linguistic differences between Quebecois French and français métropolitan, in vocabulary and pronunciation, besides different cultural sayings. Not enough to be a textbook dialect, but it's a foundation for that popular understanding.
I think I have also read that Quebecois sounds somewhat old fashioned to France, since it's related more closely to the colonial french of Quebec's founding.
My wife is ukranian. I can only go off what she tells me, but apparently they speak an old version of ukranian in Toronto. The newcomers (last few years due to the war) speak a different dialect than what the bloor West ukranians speak.
"My ukranian is what Shakespearean English is. I dont know modern slang". -my wife on bloor west ukranian
My cousins from Quebec also use the Shakespeare line to describe Quebec french vs France french. I think it has to do with the last common dialect being the 1800's version of the language.
I had the proprietors of a bed & breakfast in Normandy exclaim that listening to my eastern Ontario French was like hearing someone speak from 400 years ago.
Yes for sure. My grandparents went to Cork and Dublin and crowd there wouldn’t believe they were from Canada, thought they were from way out in rural Ireland somewhere!
We went to a reenactment of the battle of Hastings with a bunch of friends from Quebec. While there, a historian came running over to us, amazed that my friends were speaking such amazing medieval French! He spent the rest of the night buying us drinks and conversing.
Manitoba here, massive Ukrainian population here. There are Ukrainian Churches, I went to a Ukrainian program through my public school, did Ukrainian dancing when I was young. You can fin perogy specialty shops and in grocery stores, kubasa as well.
My Grandmother is Ukrainian so while I participated in a lot of this, I definitely feel very much Canadianized and more like it's a fun fact about my heritage rather than a huge part of my identity if that makes sense.
You can see Orthodox churches all over my city and province, I'd bet you Ukrainian is the 2nd or 3rd biggest ethnic background here since the mid 1800s. Including a big part of my own background. And *especially* if you were to count Mennonites, the majority of which originally came to Canada from Ukraine (though they lived there for a few hundred years were originally from Western Europe before that)
Not in a direct way, which wasn’t what I meant. But a lot of the ones I’ve known do speak Russian as well as low German and still have family in Ukraine/Russia. They make perogies, borscht, and other Eastern European style foods they picked up from their history in that area. Plus from what I’ve heard there was an influence on the language including Ukrainian loaner words still spoken by them today. I’m 25% Mennonite by ethnic background myself, and those ancestors did come here from Western (what is now formally known as) Ukraine. Though I didn’t grow up with a ton of traditional stuff or language etc
In addition to that my great grandparent was a Doukhobor, who were ethnically Russian but lived in farming colonies in Ukraine before they also fled persecution from the Russian Empire by coming here in the 1800s. I believe my ancestors on that side were probably from around Kherson area
I’m not saying they’re Ukrainian culture in the same way as your average Ukrainian. I’m just making a point about how much connection to Ukraine and that region there is around here, after all these cultures lived there for centuries and picked up a lot of influence there before coming here. What I’ve read about the specific groups/colonies of my ancestors they would have not been as separated from the regular local settlements as many of the very isolated Mennonites/Doukhobors. Some of those colonies pretty much had daily contact with other locals
Still even without that, Ukrainian is one of the largest ethnicities here. But all I’m saying is if you also consider the prominent local cultures who originally came here from Ukraine, while still culturally distinct though they do have a Ukrainian connection and influence on language, cuisine, traditions etc, then that combined amount of people would be pretty close to the biggest group. I’m not saying Mennonites/Doukhobors and others are Ukrainian ethnically/culturally, but certainly they do have a cultural and historical connection to that area worth mentioning
My grandparents were both born in Canada but had fairly thick Ukrainian accents. Both born and raised in small town SK and small town MB. My dad spoke mostly Ukrainian for his first few years, and still knows some words but they're often subtly or completely different than what people from Ukraine today would recognize.
Yeah I was including Ukraine itself in my initial comment. I think it was Ukraine > Russia > Canada. Nowadays I believe Poland has more Ukrainians than Canada.
This part and Ukraine being part of NATO would be a deterrent because then they'll have to square up against all of NATO. The valid reasons NATO exists: deterrent & strength in numbers when a country refuses to respect treaties or the sovereignty of another country.
I've a feeling that all the poles and Ukrainians descendants in Canada aren't super interested in being aligned with Russia. It's not like we came here just to escape them.
As a Slav, I can point out the correlation of our geographical locations having to do with our deepest inner desire to suffer at everything we do and be completely miserable at all times.
Isn’t there a dialect of Ukrainian in the prairies
A lot of people in the prairies have family lines back to Ukraine, just like Quebec has with France, and given they have their own dialect of French, I can believe it.
There’s a town an hour or so down the road with the Ukrainian Trident as its town symbol. So I too can believe it
I’m very credulous so I can believe it too
i live near the giant pysanka they built in alberta it’s very ukrainian out here
Shit, we only got official multiculturalism (instead of biculturalism) because of Ukrainians in the prairies.
I have a feeling if SOMEHOW Russia wins Ukrainian nationalism is gonna skyrocket here in Canada
It already has, about four years ago.
First Nations don't count?
As I remember the story - and I could be missing parts of it - when they started the Royal Commission on Bilingualism and Biculturalism in the 1960s, there were a couple of Ukrainian-Canadian politicians who said, "Hold up, wait a minute," and their work resulted in the commission saying that Canada wasn't just bicultural, it was multicultural.
My impression - and again, I could be missing some of the history and would be glad to be corrected - is that First Nations and Inuit peoples didn't start getting treated seriously in constitutional and treaty terms until the late 1980s (with the failed Charlottetown Accord) and the early 1990s (with the Oka Crisis and subsequent Royal Commission on Aboriginal Peoples). First Nations undeniably count, but Canada was embarrassingly slow to stop trying to deny.
EDIT: IIRC, best we were able to do before the 1980s was Dief the Chief giving Indigenous individuals the vote in 1960. Liberals of the era were patronizing toward Indigenous peoples in a way that was kinda gross.
Thanks.
I remember going to elementary school with some Four Nations Cree kids and sensing that something was fucked up with the situation, but it wasn't until the past few years, forty years and a couple of suicides later, that I started to understand exactly how and why it was so fucked up. Just this whole system set up to erase them, or to get them to erase themselves... goddamn.
I forgot about this, thanks for saying it!
Just like some people in Ontario have some family lines back to the UK.
Case in point: my family.
LOL! My friend grew up with a British accent — born and raised in West Vancouver. Lost it when she went to elementary school.
Yeah it’s a country of immigrants from all over and everyone should proud of it, whether it’s connections to Nigeria, or South Korea or somewhere more “typical” like the UK
French in Quebec (and in Canada as well) is not a dialect (in the French meaning of dialect). It’s like saying that Canadian or USA English are dialects. It’s French with a different accent and with words to describe different reality and environnement. And French was spoken in Canada long before it was I’m the vast majority of France. That said, I may ignore a peculiar meaning of “dialect” in English.
You're not wrong, though maybe to some extent there's a "popular" meaning of dialect in english at the same time. Also I don't know this for sure, but I think besides the accent there are linguistic differences between Quebecois French and français métropolitan, in vocabulary and pronunciation, besides different cultural sayings. Not enough to be a textbook dialect, but it's a foundation for that popular understanding.
I think I have also read that Quebecois sounds somewhat old fashioned to France, since it's related more closely to the colonial french of Quebec's founding.
I ate more pierogies during the three months I lived in Manitoba than I had eaten in my entire life beforehand
My wife is ukranian. I can only go off what she tells me, but apparently they speak an old version of ukranian in Toronto. The newcomers (last few years due to the war) speak a different dialect than what the bloor West ukranians speak.
"My ukranian is what Shakespearean English is. I dont know modern slang". -my wife on bloor west ukranian
My cousins from Quebec also use the Shakespeare line to describe Quebec french vs France french. I think it has to do with the last common dialect being the 1800's version of the language.
Parisian french is the one that changed in the 19th Century...
I had the proprietors of a bed & breakfast in Normandy exclaim that listening to my eastern Ontario French was like hearing someone speak from 400 years ago.
Though of course, they know very little about French from 400 years ago.
Same as Newfoundland English!
Yes, I heard a person from Ireland talk about how Newfoundland Irish(English) is more well preserved Irish than modern Ireland now.
Yes for sure. My grandparents went to Cork and Dublin and crowd there wouldn’t believe they were from Canada, thought they were from way out in rural Ireland somewhere!
We went to a reenactment of the battle of Hastings with a bunch of friends from Quebec. While there, a historian came running over to us, amazed that my friends were speaking such amazing medieval French! He spent the rest of the night buying us drinks and conversing.
Same thing with my dad. He was talking to a kid from Ukraine and the kid turns to his mother and said the man speaks the old Ukrainian
Manitoba here, massive Ukrainian population here. There are Ukrainian Churches, I went to a Ukrainian program through my public school, did Ukrainian dancing when I was young. You can fin perogy specialty shops and in grocery stores, kubasa as well.
My Grandmother is Ukrainian so while I participated in a lot of this, I definitely feel very much Canadianized and more like it's a fun fact about my heritage rather than a huge part of my identity if that makes sense.
Yup. My 1st gen Ukrainian family has no idea what my Ukrainian-Canadian bullshit words mean. Neither do we do we have at least than in common.
There is also a considerably large population of people with Polish decent especially around Hamilton where my dads Polish family is from
Yes
Im from Manitoba and my elementary and junior high had Ukrainian immersion instead of French immersion. I was just in the english side though.
Yes, the largest ethnically Ukrainian population outside of Ukraine/russia is in Canada.
Not so much dialects any more, they have faded over time, but there are a shitload of Ukrainians in Saskatchewan in particular.
Outside of Saskatchewan, still plenty, especially southern Ontario. Wayne gretzky's dad grew up speaking Ukrainian at home.
There is also Doukhobor Russian. I can understand it but it's rather archaic.
You can see Orthodox churches all over my city and province, I'd bet you Ukrainian is the 2nd or 3rd biggest ethnic background here since the mid 1800s. Including a big part of my own background. And *especially* if you were to count Mennonites, the majority of which originally came to Canada from Ukraine (though they lived there for a few hundred years were originally from Western Europe before that)
The Mennonites lived in the Russian Empire, on land that’s now in Ukraine, but they definitely aren’t part of the Ukrainian culture/ethnicity
Not in a direct way, which wasn’t what I meant. But a lot of the ones I’ve known do speak Russian as well as low German and still have family in Ukraine/Russia. They make perogies, borscht, and other Eastern European style foods they picked up from their history in that area. Plus from what I’ve heard there was an influence on the language including Ukrainian loaner words still spoken by them today. I’m 25% Mennonite by ethnic background myself, and those ancestors did come here from Western (what is now formally known as) Ukraine. Though I didn’t grow up with a ton of traditional stuff or language etc
In addition to that my great grandparent was a Doukhobor, who were ethnically Russian but lived in farming colonies in Ukraine before they also fled persecution from the Russian Empire by coming here in the 1800s. I believe my ancestors on that side were probably from around Kherson area
I’m not saying they’re Ukrainian culture in the same way as your average Ukrainian. I’m just making a point about how much connection to Ukraine and that region there is around here, after all these cultures lived there for centuries and picked up a lot of influence there before coming here. What I’ve read about the specific groups/colonies of my ancestors they would have not been as separated from the regular local settlements as many of the very isolated Mennonites/Doukhobors. Some of those colonies pretty much had daily contact with other locals
Still even without that, Ukrainian is one of the largest ethnicities here. But all I’m saying is if you also consider the prominent local cultures who originally came here from Ukraine, while still culturally distinct though they do have a Ukrainian connection and influence on language, cuisine, traditions etc, then that combined amount of people would be pretty close to the biggest group. I’m not saying Mennonites/Doukhobors and others are Ukrainian ethnically/culturally, but certainly they do have a cultural and historical connection to that area worth mentioning
Ah, my mistake. I thought you meant that Mennonites should be counted as Slavic for the statistics of the map above
No worries, yes certainly they’re not Slavic, just that there’s been a lot of Ukrainian influence on their culture over the centuries
Yeah. Something like half the people I know, myself included, have Ukrainian ancestry out here
My grandparents were both born in Canada but had fairly thick Ukrainian accents. Both born and raised in small town SK and small town MB. My dad spoke mostly Ukrainian for his first few years, and still knows some words but they're often subtly or completely different than what people from Ukraine today would recognize.
If I’m not mistaken, prior to the 2022 full scale invasion, Canada has the third highest population of Ukrainians in the world.
Second. Only Russia had more.
I think they were counting Ukraine
Fair point. Canada had the second largest population of Ukrainians outside of Ukraine.
Yeah I was including Ukraine itself in my initial comment. I think it was Ukraine > Russia > Canada. Nowadays I believe Poland has more Ukrainians than Canada.
makes sense yeh
Bro are you telling me that 3-1=2? Prove it
🥇 Ukraine 🏅 🥈 Russia 🥉 Canada
Cyka blyat
Fuckkn cyka blyar buds
There are no Slavs worth noting in the USA? I find that hard to believe lol
Melania is a notable Slav in the US. Einstein level apparently according to her passport.
US wants more into Latino América than Восточная Европа
I know… look at Chicago area. Or Northeast Pennsylvania. Or Sacramento, California.
There's a considerable population in Australia too. This map isn't accurate at all.
Canada wants Ukraine into NATO.
Retroactive, welcome to world war 3
The war in Ukraine has shown the world that Russia could not fight its way out of a wet paper bag.
Thats utterly irrelevant because they could turn the entire world to glass with the push of a button if they wanted to.
Russia is never going to start a nuclear war over Ukraine and neither will France, the UK or the US
Then how come the war is ongoing?
Against a much smaller opponent?
I can explain it to you, I can't understand it for you.
Are you talking about the special military operation that will be done in 3 days?
This part and Ukraine being part of NATO would be a deterrent because then they'll have to square up against all of NATO. The valid reasons NATO exists: deterrent & strength in numbers when a country refuses to respect treaties or the sovereignty of another country.
ah yes, the country down to sending fucking cavalry squadrons into battle is for SURE gonna start WWIII /s
Why was my sarcastic comment downvoted so much brother bear?
remember kids "/s" on the internet indicated sarcasm where your text is otherwise up for interpretation.
🫡
Poe's law
Then Ukraine should ABSOLUTELY be in NATO to prep, there's strength in numbers. Russia doesn't respect treaties. What's the hold up?
ETA: 𝘋𝘢𝘮𝘯, 𝘯𝘦𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘰 𝘶𝘴𝘦 𝘮𝘺 𝘴𝘢𝘳𝘤𝘢𝘴𝘮 𝘧𝘰𝘯𝘵. 𝘛𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘪𝘴𝘯'𝘵 𝘵𝘳𝘢𝘯𝘴𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘸𝘦𝘭𝘭...
LOL gotta practice my slav squat tabarnak!
Tons of Croats in the GTAA. World cup games in Toronto gunna be crazy
Croat in the GTA here! Have some Serbian and Bosnian friends too. The younger generation don’t give a fuck about our ancestors drama
Isn't Canada chairing the Slavaphonie next year?
The Balkans are coming for you!
We should make one big country with all the Slavs, we could call it Hugoslavia
Oh no we don't. There's a reason why we're here and not over there.
Pereyidʹ, Indiya
I can’t quite get over the fact the second part of the title is in literal Russian out of all languages
chto takoi calisse ?
calisse c quoi qtu dit la c quoi cte langue calisse d'osti de fucking tabarnak
c'est en russe " Что такое or Chto takoi " mean what is this - lmao. It's meant as a joke- pas un mauvais dialecte 😂
nooo dw i was messing around😭😭😭😭my fault chat
Lmao its ok 🤣
r/ЭхПриятельМудила
I've a feeling that all the poles and Ukrainians descendants in Canada aren't super interested in being aligned with Russia. It's not like we came here just to escape them.
acting like Eastern Europe is JUST Russia bro😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Well, no one cares about the old Yugoslavia and Belarus 😜
i do
Well to be fair one of the best lays I ever had was a girl from Croatia. Girl was definitely in the crazy part of the crazy hot matrix though.
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tf u cracking a Croatian girl gotta do w ts conversation
Fr
My Ukrainian grandfather converted to Catholic, am I no longer a quarter slav? I'm an atheist, so I just just do hot girls.
Ukrainian diaspora the second you accidentally mention Russia positively
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(It's me, I'm the diaspora)
As a Slav, I can point out the correlation of our geographical locations having to do with our deepest inner desire to suffer at everything we do and be completely miserable at all times.
I don’t think this map works
I'm 25% slav.