I mean if only 17% of the population can only access the highest levels of government to start with, that’s not a nothing issue. And learning a whole different language is not like learning guitar.
The only way Canada could become fully EN-FR bilingual, would be to massively violate the language rights of English speakers. You would have to send pretty much every English speaker in the country—or at least half of them— to full French immersion schools for pretty much their entire education for them to be able to speak French like the French Canadians can speak English. The language pressures are just totally different for non-French Canadians.
Sir/Ma’am/non binary title/ this is subreddit for Canadian shit posting, r/USdefaultism is over that way. French ain’t a foreign language for us, it’s an official language.
Alright well since you’re here gringo I’ll tell you a few things about Canadian culture;
The flair snow Cajun refers to French speaking Quebec, you might feel more comfortable with the flair “Yank”.
French settlers were here before Canada was confederated as a country, and getting them to agree to remain part of Canada has been an ongoing struggle throughout our history. That’s why we made French an official language and no that doesn’t infringe on my rights as an English speaker.
On a good day, we don’t much like it when Americans tell us how to run our country. After this past year of the US President and US Ambassador being openly hostile and threatening us with annexation? Yeah we’re done with US exceptionalism, and the US in about the same position as Russia and Saudi Arabia when it comes to lecturing others on rights.
0.) “Gringo” applies to white Canadians too lol. A latinos, somos los mismos.
2.) you missed the entire point of what I was saying.
3.) you assume a lot about a total stranger. I’m a communist. It’s rude of you to just assume that every American you come across wants to use a Trump Death Star on your country.
Your still using the flair for Quebecers while calling their language foreign. French language schooling is very common across Canada. Even I as someone in Alberta went to a French language school (for one year when I was very young). The issue when it comes to bilingualism in Canada is lack of funding in public schools for it. French used to be taught where I lived before it was removed. Also claiming to be communist is not the defence against expansionism or aggression against neighbouring countries you think it is.
Québec is the second most relevant province economically and the second largest by population. 22% of Canadians are francophones, this isn't nothing.
It's an asset, no matter where you are, to be able to speak this language. The opportunities may be less on the West Coast, but in Ontario we have a sizable population of Franco-Ontariens, and frequent contact with Québec. The Maritimes are the same way with Acadians and proximity to Québec. So it's important there too.
Smaller yet but still important are the various francophone populations in the west...
And yeah, in most of the country French is actually incredibly important and a significant part of our heritage. I think even anglophone Canadians should take pride in our French heritage.
And as an anglo Ontarian, if you feel like french is useless or unimportant, that's probably because you can benefit from English being the most politically powerful language in our country, and our world... Not everyone is born into that. Our country needs to be a place for everyone, not just everything revolving around English. That means more anglophones should probably learn French.
Our French makes us unique, it makes us who we are, and imo anglos should embrace it more.
There's French communities across Canada outside of Quebec. Franco Manitobans, Acadiens.
The majority of Francophones outside of Quebec are bilingual and a good chunk of Quebecois are. The fact that barely any Anglophones learn French in a bilingual country doesn't make the language any less official.
Moi, je dirais oui. J'suis anglophone de l'Ontario. J'étais un étudiant de français depuis l'âge de 6 ans, même dans le programme d'immersion... Mais j'avais l'impression de ne jamais maîtriser le français. À cause de cela, j'avais perdu la passion d'apprendre le français.
Mais par chance, j'ai pris un opportunité pour déménager à Montréal où j'ai travaillé comme agent au service clientèle.
Après d'avoir cette immersion culturelle au Québec, à la francophonie, l'introduction des chansons, l'histoire, l'identité... Cela a vraiment changé ma vie.
J'espère vraiment que le Canada anglophone s'améliorera dans sa manière de présenter ce monde à la prochaine génération.
The difference is that you don’t have to shift everything you read, watch, listen to, or everyone you talk with to guitar. It’s a lifestyle shift. And just because you did it, does not mean it’s easy for everyone or that everyone can or wants to commit that level of effort to it.
Thing is, it’s not really a “lifestyle shift” here in Canada. You use as much French/English as you need in the area of the country you’re in. We all get educated in at least the conversational basics of either language.
Of course learning another language comes easier to some, but we have two official languages here that everyone recognizes as equally viable.
. You would have to send pretty much every English speaker in the country—or at least half of them— to full French immersion schools for pretty much their entire education for them to be able to speak French like the French Canadians can speak English. The language pressures are just totally different for non-French Canadians.
This is already the case in much of the world as well as in Québec for learning English. It's called effective language education and it isn't an infringement on anyone's rights.
You can be barely conversational in French to access the highest levels of parliament (see Mark Carney). Compare that to quebecers who need to be fluent in English to work at the same level
French doesn’t have the same presence in anglophone communities as English does in francophone communities in Canada. Think what you want about JJ but it’s true that it creates a significant advantage for Canadian Francophones. I don’t necessarily think it’s a bad thing - I’d love to see French more integrated in anglophone communities. But at the end of the day, it’s still true
Edit: it’s amazing how hate for this guy can blind people to simple observable facts
He took every “Canadian” way to speak like “eh” or “aboot” and cranked it to eleven so he becomes a living Canadian caricature which he uses as his gimmick as a right-wing pundit in the US.
I’m in the minority, but I think there are people in Canada who genuinely say “aboot” instead of “a-boat”. Whether JJ is laying it on, I won’t speculate - but I think people rip into him for this because they hate him for other reasons.
Personally, I have no stake in whether or not he’s faking it, but linguistically I can totally believe that /ə.buːʔ/ is just a rare realization of that word and similar words. And even when there’s a pattern with some words, that does not always mean that it will be globalized. So just from a language perspective things can be messy, and that’s why I don’t really have a strong belief that he’s faking it.
Many will dispute this, but language is not as cut and dry as people really want to believe it is
He's from Vancouver, which is definitely on the 'awt' side of the 'ooot' accent spectrum so I'm still sceptical.
My theory is he started making fun of the 'oot' accent so much, given his 'cringe culture' aversion to anything Canadian, and then now it's stuck. I've done that before with the word 'aluminum' (I now pronounce it the british way because I was making fun of my british friend for too long). He sounds like how Canadians in Kevin Smith movies talk, which is just Americans making fun of how Canadians talk.
The only weird thing I know absolutely no one born in BC that has that oot. Even kids of newfies born out here don’t get the accent unless they were homeschooled for a loooooong time.
Fake Hoser
A poser hoser
What's all this ABOOT?
This is the most insufferable man on the internet!
JJ "bilingualism creates a privileged elite" McCullough
a.k.a. JJ "It's Not Racist to Hate One Race" McCullough
Fr this guy hate the quebecers to death and basically no one never understood why XD
It's cause he probably can't learn french
I mean if only 17% of the population can only access the highest levels of government to start with, that’s not a nothing issue. And learning a whole different language is not like learning guitar.
The only way Canada could become fully EN-FR bilingual, would be to massively violate the language rights of English speakers. You would have to send pretty much every English speaker in the country—or at least half of them— to full French immersion schools for pretty much their entire education for them to be able to speak French like the French Canadians can speak English. The language pressures are just totally different for non-French Canadians.
Edit: wording
French isn't a foreign language.
I wish it were a troll because casually referring to French as a foreign language here would be peak shitposting
I’m American. Habit. But I and generally others mean it as “another/different language”.
Sir/Ma’am/non binary title/ this is subreddit for Canadian shit posting, r/USdefaultism is over that way. French ain’t a foreign language for us, it’s an official language.
Y’all have no chill. The stereotype about Reddit is absolutely real.
Alright well since you’re here gringo I’ll tell you a few things about Canadian culture;
The flair snow Cajun refers to French speaking Quebec, you might feel more comfortable with the flair “Yank”.
French settlers were here before Canada was confederated as a country, and getting them to agree to remain part of Canada has been an ongoing struggle throughout our history. That’s why we made French an official language and no that doesn’t infringe on my rights as an English speaker.
On a good day, we don’t much like it when Americans tell us how to run our country. After this past year of the US President and US Ambassador being openly hostile and threatening us with annexation? Yeah we’re done with US exceptionalism, and the US in about the same position as Russia and Saudi Arabia when it comes to lecturing others on rights.
0.) “Gringo” applies to white Canadians too lol. A latinos, somos los mismos.
2.) you missed the entire point of what I was saying.
3.) you assume a lot about a total stranger. I’m a communist. It’s rude of you to just assume that every American you come across wants to use a Trump Death Star on your country.
Your still using the flair for Quebecers while calling their language foreign. French language schooling is very common across Canada. Even I as someone in Alberta went to a French language school (for one year when I was very young). The issue when it comes to bilingualism in Canada is lack of funding in public schools for it. French used to be taught where I lived before it was removed. Also claiming to be communist is not the defence against expansionism or aggression against neighbouring countries you think it is.
Shocker...
Then fuck off
You're on the wrong sub lol. This sub is the pinnacle of the smug, snobbish, and arrogant Canadian antipathy towards Americans.
The fuck are you doing here if you dislike Canadians so much bud?
I don't. I've lived here my whole life and love my country. That's why I served in the CAF for 8 years.
I think you’re both in the wrong sub bud
Although officially it isnt, functionally it is for the vast majority of Canadians. Nobody cares nor hears about Quebec/French issues here in B.C.
I can speak french, was in french immersion for 8 years and studied it at the university level. Extremely useless outside of Quebec.
Québec is the second most relevant province economically and the second largest by population. 22% of Canadians are francophones, this isn't nothing.
It's an asset, no matter where you are, to be able to speak this language. The opportunities may be less on the West Coast, but in Ontario we have a sizable population of Franco-Ontariens, and frequent contact with Québec. The Maritimes are the same way with Acadians and proximity to Québec. So it's important there too.
Smaller yet but still important are the various francophone populations in the west...
And yeah, in most of the country French is actually incredibly important and a significant part of our heritage. I think even anglophone Canadians should take pride in our French heritage.
And as an anglo Ontarian, if you feel like french is useless or unimportant, that's probably because you can benefit from English being the most politically powerful language in our country, and our world... Not everyone is born into that. Our country needs to be a place for everyone, not just everything revolving around English. That means more anglophones should probably learn French.
Our French makes us unique, it makes us who we are, and imo anglos should embrace it more.
There's French communities across Canada outside of Quebec. Franco Manitobans, Acadiens.
The majority of Francophones outside of Quebec are bilingual and a good chunk of Quebecois are. The fact that barely any Anglophones learn French in a bilingual country doesn't make the language any less official.
The government can declare whatever they want as "official". It makes no difference to the reality on the ground.
Vous êtes ridicule, c'est indescriptible. Bonjour monsieur.
If you’ve heard parliamentary French you’d know you definitely don’t need to speak it well.
I'm from Vancouver (not exactly a beacon of Francophone culture) and I learned conversational French over the span of 3 years.
Yes, it's exactly like learning how to play a guitar: you put in the hours, and you make progress
Est-ce que ça a contribué à te donner un point de vue différent sur le monde ?
Moi, je dirais oui. J'suis anglophone de l'Ontario. J'étais un étudiant de français depuis l'âge de 6 ans, même dans le programme d'immersion... Mais j'avais l'impression de ne jamais maîtriser le français. À cause de cela, j'avais perdu la passion d'apprendre le français.
Mais par chance, j'ai pris un opportunité pour déménager à Montréal où j'ai travaillé comme agent au service clientèle.
Après d'avoir cette immersion culturelle au Québec, à la francophonie, l'introduction des chansons, l'histoire, l'identité... Cela a vraiment changé ma vie.
J'espère vraiment que le Canada anglophone s'améliorera dans sa manière de présenter ce monde à la prochaine génération.
The difference is that you don’t have to shift everything you read, watch, listen to, or everyone you talk with to guitar. It’s a lifestyle shift. And just because you did it, does not mean it’s easy for everyone or that everyone can or wants to commit that level of effort to it.
Thing is, it’s not really a “lifestyle shift” here in Canada. You use as much French/English as you need in the area of the country you’re in. We all get educated in at least the conversational basics of either language.
Of course learning another language comes easier to some, but we have two official languages here that everyone recognizes as equally viable.
This is already the case in much of the world as well as in Québec for learning English. It's called effective language education and it isn't an infringement on anyone's rights.
I live in Toronto and learned okay conversational French in a year. It is like learning guitar.
You can be barely conversational in French to access the highest levels of parliament (see Mark Carney). Compare that to quebecers who need to be fluent in English to work at the same level
French doesn’t have the same presence in anglophone communities as English does in francophone communities in Canada. Think what you want about JJ but it’s true that it creates a significant advantage for Canadian Francophones. I don’t necessarily think it’s a bad thing - I’d love to see French more integrated in anglophone communities. But at the end of the day, it’s still true
Edit: it’s amazing how hate for this guy can blind people to simple observable facts
In Canada we generally take our shoes off when entering someone’s home, this is so we don’t track dog shit across the carpets.
With that in mind, please tell me why you dragged this shit into our home?
The américanisation dog directly shitted this man into our home…
I think it’s time we give up and re-home that dog.
Insufferable loser. This guy is just plain creepy.
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JJ McCullough is a youtuber who can't say about (he has adopted an idiolect nearly unique to him)
The dialect has a name, it’s called JJ Janklish.
He took every “Canadian” way to speak like “eh” or “aboot” and cranked it to eleven so he becomes a living Canadian caricature which he uses as his gimmick as a right-wing pundit in the US.
He’s a complete asshole and everyone hates him.
I’m in the minority, but I think there are people in Canada who genuinely say “aboot” instead of “a-boat”. Whether JJ is laying it on, I won’t speculate - but I think people rip into him for this because they hate him for other reasons.
Yeah on the east coast especially Newfoundland. Problem is that JJ is from BC & never lived in Newfoundland.
Accents aren’t so cut and dry like that though, there’s always a range of variation. The real problem is redditors thinking they’re Bill Labov
He wants so badly for Canada to be the 51st state. I don't care what he says, I'm convinced this is his dream.
Personally, I have no stake in whether or not he’s faking it, but linguistically I can totally believe that /ə.buːʔ/ is just a rare realization of that word and similar words. And even when there’s a pattern with some words, that does not always mean that it will be globalized. So just from a language perspective things can be messy, and that’s why I don’t really have a strong belief that he’s faking it.
Many will dispute this, but language is not as cut and dry as people really want to believe it is
He's from Vancouver, which is definitely on the 'awt' side of the 'ooot' accent spectrum so I'm still sceptical.
My theory is he started making fun of the 'oot' accent so much, given his 'cringe culture' aversion to anything Canadian, and then now it's stuck. I've done that before with the word 'aluminum' (I now pronounce it the british way because I was making fun of my british friend for too long). He sounds like how Canadians in Kevin Smith movies talk, which is just Americans making fun of how Canadians talk.
The only weird thing I know absolutely no one born in BC that has that oot. Even kids of newfies born out here don’t get the accent unless they were homeschooled for a loooooong time.