Yeah, as someone that's forced to interact with a whole bunch of extreme conservatives on a regular basis, this looks fairly accurate to me. 99% of them don't give a fuck about tax policy, they're just pissed off they can't force people to adhere to what their preacher told them their religious book says.
Alabama would have more safety nets than California if it were legal to exclude black people from them.
Yeah true, which is why I honestly don't really care all that much about the graph. But it is very funny to see someone look at this and think the problem is with the data points and not the political theory itself, especially when these things record elements that cannot be objectively measured.
The axis does look poorly scaled, but even if it weren't, that quadrant would still be mostly empty. It isn't necessarily statistical malpractice to apply a scaling transformation to your data.
I’m wondering if they meant to write X axis? Scaling the X axis while keeping the origin centered would fill up the lower right quadrant. Maybe they’re trying to avoid filling the top right to make some other point.
The political compass itself is a piece of libertarian propaganda. Actual libertarians are a negligible minority. Having an access for economic freedom exists solely to give them more visibility.
And the person posting is right in that people are far more left wing than this data is allowing to be captured.
The graph seems to show that America doesn't need the Libertarian Party (socially liberal, economically conservative), but instead a new party that is socially conservative and economically liberal.
The OP of the thread is a chart from Britain. And in the thread there is a chart from Germany. Both with the same blank spot in right wing "libertarian". It's just not really possible to be socially liberal and economically conservative.
Honestly, is it not? My understanding is the what qualifies as left, right and center is relative to any given country (or frankly region, city, culture, etc) Centrism can’t exist in a vacuum and I’d love to live somewhere where my current views make me a centrist.
Not that OOP necessarily has the best intentions, but I think they are right to say that the graph is centered way too far right. Or perhaps the very method of gauging how fiscally liberal someone is doesn’t account for extreme enough views. All I know is it’s ridiculous that the graph is portraying republicans as moderates and democrats as staunchly left.
Yes. Center is defined for a particular set of people. If you were to poll all of the world on a US scale you'd have a very left-lopsided distribution (especially economically).
For this particular dataset, you clearly have the same problem.
Right = whatever benefits special interest groups (rich people, racists, nationalists, religious, etc.) the most at the expense of humanity.
The center is just "right wing" as it serves no progressive purpose.
Not that OOP necessarily has the best intentions, but I think they are right to say that the graph is centered way too far right. Or perhaps the very method of gauging how fiscally liberal someone is doesn’t account for extreme enough views. All I know is it’s ridiculous that the graph is portraying republicans as moderates and democrats as staunchly left.
That's correct.
All people in the image are right wingers. The center is far left of all the visible dots.
Doesn't matter where they'd put the center. But it is telling that there are people more fiscally liberal than the study even suggested there could be.
I always figured it meant "medicare good" being viable vs laughable as an opinion to each group, whether welfare programs should exist or if austerity measures are always the answer
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"The data disproves my worldview, so the graph must be wrong."
Ah, tale as old as time.
Yeah, as someone that's forced to interact with a whole bunch of extreme conservatives on a regular basis, this looks fairly accurate to me. 99% of them don't give a fuck about tax policy, they're just pissed off they can't force people to adhere to what their preacher told them their religious book says.
Alabama would have more safety nets than California if it were legal to exclude black people from them.
To be fair the graph itself is a latent variable at best.
Yeah true, which is why I honestly don't really care all that much about the graph. But it is very funny to see someone look at this and think the problem is with the data points and not the political theory itself, especially when these things record elements that cannot be objectively measured.
What’s more fucked right now? American education or the Overton window?
Yes
The axis does look poorly scaled, but even if it weren't, that quadrant would still be mostly empty. It isn't necessarily statistical malpractice to apply a scaling transformation to your data.
I’m wondering if they meant to write X axis? Scaling the X axis while keeping the origin centered would fill up the lower right quadrant. Maybe they’re trying to avoid filling the top right to make some other point.
I think they clearly meant x axis.
Whoops I didn't even notice they said the y axis.
I think he did actually mean Y axis, just not in the way we assumed. He means to physically shift the Y axis as it is on the image.
so this person is having trouble believing dem voters dont have a lot of fiscal conservatives?
I know, it’s silly to think people who work should be able to afford housing and not die when they get the flu.
The political compass itself is a piece of libertarian propaganda. Actual libertarians are a negligible minority. Having an access for economic freedom exists solely to give them more visibility.
And the person posting is right in that people are far more left wing than this data is allowing to be captured.
The graph seems to show that America doesn't need the Libertarian Party (socially liberal, economically conservative), but instead a new party that is socially conservative and economically liberal.
The OP of the thread is a chart from Britain. And in the thread there is a chart from Germany. Both with the same blank spot in right wing "libertarian". It's just not really possible to be socially liberal and economically conservative.
Red Tories.
The old the center is just moveable and negotiable tactic.
Honestly, is it not? My understanding is the what qualifies as left, right and center is relative to any given country (or frankly region, city, culture, etc) Centrism can’t exist in a vacuum and I’d love to live somewhere where my current views make me a centrist.
Not that OOP necessarily has the best intentions, but I think they are right to say that the graph is centered way too far right. Or perhaps the very method of gauging how fiscally liberal someone is doesn’t account for extreme enough views. All I know is it’s ridiculous that the graph is portraying republicans as moderates and democrats as staunchly left.
Yes. Center is defined for a particular set of people. If you were to poll all of the world on a US scale you'd have a very left-lopsided distribution (especially economically).
For this particular dataset, you clearly have the same problem.
EDIT:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/01/14/opinion/fix-congress-proportional-representation.html
Here is the original article and the lack of people on the quadrant is precisely a point the author makes (implicitly) so it's probably fine.
Left = whatever benefits humanity the most.
Right = whatever benefits special interest groups (rich people, racists, nationalists, religious, etc.) the most at the expense of humanity.
The center is just "right wing" as it serves no progressive purpose.
That's correct.
All people in the image are right wingers. The center is far left of all the visible dots.
Left and right don't have absolute definitions.
Doesn't matter where they'd put the center. But it is telling that there are people more fiscally liberal than the study even suggested there could be.
Ah yes, move the Overton Window further so I can keep blaming the left for the wrong neoliberal winning every slot
Lmao bunching and no numbers to tell if it was actually bunching
Why even is liberal the opposite of conservative and what's fiscally liberal supposed to mean?
I always figured it meant "medicare good" being viable vs laughable as an opinion to each group, whether welfare programs should exist or if austerity measures are always the answer
That's a new one. "The data doesn't validate my biases so it's clear that the organization of the data is incorrect"