Kamala Harris was literally endorsed by Dick Cheney. She lost momentum precisely because she started trying to appeal to centrists, and then a ton of people just gave up and decided to no-show at the elections. If Democrats actually ran on issues that helped improve the lives of everyday people, that helped working people, supported immigrants as a valuable part of the nation, and if she vocally opposed genocide and imperialism, then she could have actually had a lot more hype towards the end. People do not want more of the status quo. They want leftist policies, but they are too afraid to actually call them leftist.
This is OPs problem - he doesn't like the cultural 'isms' the Democrats hide their status quo neoliberalism behind, but he's still nonetheless bought so hard into the narrative he claims has caused this mighty rift, that he still refers to ideologies that are all about dominance hierarchies as 'Leftist' because that's what he's been trained to do.
They want leftist policies, but they are too afraid to actually call them leftist.
The Red Scare continues to haunt us. Americans want leftist policy but simultaneously couldn't give less of a shit about policy at all. They'd rather vote for the virulent racist with zero coherent policy other than "more racism." Or not vote at all and allow him to win.
Very nice. Sadly, that doesn't get reflected in the voting, so maybe they want those policies to appear magically and not affect them in their taxes, so that cute preference is useless in practice.
In any case, USians are suffering what they inflicted in other countries with goverments of both signs, so as a Latin-American is extremely difficult for me to feel any empathy for you.
You have opened the door to your orange overlord. Feel the burn of all the policies that you forced in the countries you exploited for decades.
Honestly fair. The US does kinda deserve this. It sucks as someone who lives here but empire has turned inward and now its our turn. The biggest difference to a lot Latin America is we don't have an actual left wing party with any sort of broad support.
Why you were downvoted like this assuming the faith of the context, I have no idea. I am pretty much of the exact same outlook as you, except I am from the Balkans, not Latin America.
Neoliberalize and terrorize us and now expect us to wish for burger idiots to get treats while being lethargic about the imperialism they are doing right now or innately since ever? Never organize, ballot box only, that is it? Thank God their Kissingerite did not win, rather tangerine moron is going to impair the apparatus with which they exert their vulturing and pillaging of the world, and we are going to rejoice seeing the illiterate ape with enormous complexes and a gigantic ego blunder geopolitics. The idiot had literally thought the United States Agency for International Development was something else other than soft power projection and had decided to cut it in some attempt at sly overbearing, because he lacks insight and is caricaturally inobservant the degree of him believing the US cared about Ethiopian literacy rates or feeding orphans, or "Radio Free [region]", not them infesting the world into its dependence in order to coerce through some more neoliberal shock treatment.
He and his ridiculous South African infant actually think giving "veterans benefits" is something else other than having people WILLINGLY go over, kill Iraqi/[insert current target] children, and go back to enjoy treats. I am so glad the moderate wing of fascism was not elected.
If you are able to share, which Latin American country are you from exactly?
The weirdest thing is, I don't even know why they're here in the first place. I like the subreddit, but it's basically a ghost town now, and no one here is going to agree with them.
In 2025 people only start a sentence with “I’m actually quite liberal“ before they’re about to say some of the most vile shit imaginable. It’s the new “I’m not racist, but…”
"I'm as liberal as they come, but there's no problems with the economy and if there is the solution is to make it easier for the rich so it trickles down."
"I'm as liberal as they come, but immigrants are the real reason housing is expensive, not the consequences of our commodification of housing."
"I'm as liberal as they come, but gay kids who got kicked out don't deserve to freeze on the streets because they're gay, they deserve to freeze on the streets because they're poor because they're gay "
"I'm as liberal as they come, but sometimes to fight fascism you must agree that certain populations are unworthy of existence."
"I'm as liberal as they come, but here's a Fox News talking point from 10 years ago, and if you call me out I'll accuse you of being the right winger."
Pretty sure that one is straight astroturfing lol. They would phrase it more like "I feel awful about the way they're treating these immigrants but they really should've known that they would not be welcome in this country."
They've been singing and dancing to this song for so long that it got old back in the 2000s. If centrists were actually smart, they form a coalition with leftists and banish conservatism off the face of the planet. If centrists were actually smart.
The center and it's always just "I want to be able to say the N word in public and call people gay and have it be an insult again"
Like nobody is stopping you bro. Nobody is stopping you. It just has consequences now.
I don't get why so many people are like "the left went too far" when there hasn't been a left. Because what happens when you claim to go to the center is the people cosplaying as the center running further and further to the right.
wtf are they even ranting about? They caused a loss by nominating a nonviable genocide supporter and they're blaming everyone else and the "cultural" left so they're mad that people aren't more bigoted for some reason?
People cannot fathom that there is no such thing as a centrist or a swing voter in today's highly polarized society. There is no voter that would vote for someone like Kamala Harris and then turn around and vote for Trump, or vice versa. Absolutely no chance. NONE. Not in the amounts that would swing elections. It is a statistical impossibility.
There is also something to be said about the statistical impossibility that Trump won all 7 swing states, an impossibility bolstered by the fact that him and Elon's meat shield child literally admitted they rigged the election on camera multiple times. But that's an aside.
Centrism loses elections. There is no middle ground between oil company profits and climate action. There is no middle ground between health insurance profits and affordable healthcare. There is no middle ground between the grotesque amounts of wealth billionaires have and the single mother of 3 working 3 jobs and barely scraping by. There is no middle ground between women's bodily autonomy and the handmaid's tale. There is no middle ground between the due process for all people that the Constitution explicitly and unambiguously prescribes not once but TWICE, and the ICE Gestapo disappearing legal citizens off the street. There is no "middle class". There is only the rich and powerful few rigging the game to feed their insatiable greed and the rest of us who never asked to be born into their inhumane, demented game.
They're partially right in that adopting a moderate position can be electorally successful. But there are very few actual moderates in the US political system. Mamdani is a recent moderate success story, or miracle. The Democrats overall are a Conservative political party, whose stark lack of compelling policies that excite or interest the common people is why Trump won. So now you have fascists.
There is no centrism in the US, only Right and Far Right. Which is why this place exists, to call out the hypocrisy of conservatives who call themselves centrists.
Actual leftist, or even moderate, policies have such intense and entrenched cultural propaganda against them in the US that it's a Sisyphean up hill battle just to convince people that they actually want such policies. Because they do want them even if they don't realise it.
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"WHY DID YOU MAKE ME DO THIS"
Kamala Harris was literally endorsed by Dick Cheney. She lost momentum precisely because she started trying to appeal to centrists, and then a ton of people just gave up and decided to no-show at the elections. If Democrats actually ran on issues that helped improve the lives of everyday people, that helped working people, supported immigrants as a valuable part of the nation, and if she vocally opposed genocide and imperialism, then she could have actually had a lot more hype towards the end. People do not want more of the status quo. They want leftist policies, but they are too afraid to actually call them leftist.
Kamala Harris the girl boss? Surely not!
This is OPs problem - he doesn't like the cultural 'isms' the Democrats hide their status quo neoliberalism behind, but he's still nonetheless bought so hard into the narrative he claims has caused this mighty rift, that he still refers to ideologies that are all about dominance hierarchies as 'Leftist' because that's what he's been trained to do.
Centrists will vote republican, don't matter how much dems appeal to them
The Red Scare continues to haunt us. Americans want leftist policy but simultaneously couldn't give less of a shit about policy at all. They'd rather vote for the virulent racist with zero coherent policy other than "more racism." Or not vote at all and allow him to win.
[Citation needed]
Happily.
57% of Americans are in favor of universal healthcare. https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx
73% of Americans think the federal government should pay for the healthcare of uninsured Americans: https://news.gallup.com/poll/699449/independents-drive-approval-aca-new-high.aspx
51% of Americans identify as pro-choice, and the vast majority believe abortion should be legal. https://news.gallup.com/poll/321143/americans-stand-abortion.aspx
63% of Americans believe large corporations should be taxed more heavily. https://news.gallup.com/poll/321143/americans-stand-abortion.aspx
62% of Americans support raising the federal minimum wage to $15/hour. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/04/22/most-americans-support-a-15-federal-minimum-wage/
87% of Americans believe marijuana should be legal in some way, with 54% in favor of it being legal for recreational use. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/07/08/facts-about-marijuana/
60% of voters oppose sending more military aid to Israel. https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3929
Very nice. Sadly, that doesn't get reflected in the voting, so maybe they want those policies to appear magically and not affect them in their taxes, so that cute preference is useless in practice.
In any case, USians are suffering what they inflicted in other countries with goverments of both signs, so as a Latin-American is extremely difficult for me to feel any empathy for you.
You have opened the door to your orange overlord. Feel the burn of all the policies that you forced in the countries you exploited for decades.
I'd be remiss to not point out that a majority of the country has never voted for him. Millions of us hate his guts, too.
But yeah, none of this gets reflected in elections because a ton of Americans are stupid and racist.
Honestly fair. The US does kinda deserve this. It sucks as someone who lives here but empire has turned inward and now its our turn. The biggest difference to a lot Latin America is we don't have an actual left wing party with any sort of broad support.
Why you were downvoted like this assuming the faith of the context, I have no idea. I am pretty much of the exact same outlook as you, except I am from the Balkans, not Latin America. Neoliberalize and terrorize us and now expect us to wish for burger idiots to get treats while being lethargic about the imperialism they are doing right now or innately since ever? Never organize, ballot box only, that is it? Thank God their Kissingerite did not win, rather tangerine moron is going to impair the apparatus with which they exert their vulturing and pillaging of the world, and we are going to rejoice seeing the illiterate ape with enormous complexes and a gigantic ego blunder geopolitics. The idiot had literally thought the United States Agency for International Development was something else other than soft power projection and had decided to cut it in some attempt at sly overbearing, because he lacks insight and is caricaturally inobservant the degree of him believing the US cared about Ethiopian literacy rates or feeding orphans, or "Radio Free [region]", not them infesting the world into its dependence in order to coerce through some more neoliberal shock treatment.
He and his ridiculous South African infant actually think giving "veterans benefits" is something else other than having people WILLINGLY go over, kill Iraqi/[insert current target] children, and go back to enjoy treats. I am so glad the moderate wing of fascism was not elected.
If you are able to share, which Latin American country are you from exactly?
Fellow Balkan bro ✊
Before the election, some people got so angry when you said that would happen and accused you of being a Trump supporter.
And now after the election, they get angry when you say it did happen and accuse you of being a Trump supporter.
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Aksulay its all your fault becouse you belived too much in your bad ideas and not enough in my good ideas.
Checkmate leftists
OOP is fighting for his life in the comments
The weirdest thing is, I don't even know why they're here in the first place. I like the subreddit, but it's basically a ghost town now, and no one here is going to agree with them.
Pick your fighter: picking at internet scans, woke up looking for a fight, or desperate sad troll. You decide!
In 2025 people only start a sentence with “I’m actually quite liberal“ before they’re about to say some of the most vile shit imaginable. It’s the new “I’m not racist, but…”
“I’m as liberal as they come, but here’s the Fox News and Newsmax chyrons lifted 100% word for word”
I mean liberalism is the moderate wing of fascism, so that’s not really that much of a surprise
Haha I was gonna say that lol but I figured it went without saying here
post-October 7 some of the most inhumane and bloodthirsty shit I’ve heard in my life have come from liberals.
"I'm as liberal as they come, but there's no problems with the economy and if there is the solution is to make it easier for the rich so it trickles down."
"I'm as liberal as they come, but immigrants are the real reason housing is expensive, not the consequences of our commodification of housing."
"I'm as liberal as they come, but gay kids who got kicked out don't deserve to freeze on the streets because they're gay, they deserve to freeze on the streets because they're poor because they're gay "
"I'm as liberal as they come, but sometimes to fight fascism you must agree that certain populations are unworthy of existence."
"I'm as liberal as they come, but here's a Fox News talking point from 10 years ago, and if you call me out I'll accuse you of being the right winger."
The Chicago subreddit is fucken chock full of these people.
“Liberal here, but I gotta hand it to Ron DeSantis and Greg Abbott for bussing those migrants here, definitely made me change my tone on immigration.”
Pretty sure that one is straight astroturfing lol. They would phrase it more like "I feel awful about the way they're treating these immigrants but they really should've known that they would not be welcome in this country."
Oh yeah, I know that sub is insanely astroturfed. I meant that most people who say that stuff aren’t even really liberals at all.
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They've been singing and dancing to this song for so long that it got old back in the 2000s. If centrists were actually smart, they form a coalition with leftists and banish conservatism off the face of the planet. If centrists were actually smart.
If a centrist was educated, they wouldn't be a centrist.
"Cultural left" is called New Left.
"The institutional left" lol
The center and it's always just "I want to be able to say the N word in public and call people gay and have it be an insult again"
Like nobody is stopping you bro. Nobody is stopping you. It just has consequences now.
I don't get why so many people are like "the left went too far" when there hasn't been a left. Because what happens when you claim to go to the center is the people cosplaying as the center running further and further to the right.
Ah yes, the institutional left. A thing that totally exists.
Mf is saying this like we actually have any kind of large left movement in the US lmao
The right doesn’t harness the center it pretends to be the center because centrists are gullible idiots who don’t actually stand for anything.
Oh no, we have to watch Rome burn, that's so poetic and intelligent!!!!!
Anyone who uses "Centre" instead of "Center" is a foreign agent.
I guess the British are finally invading again.
Obungler had the chance to strike while they were weak and look where we are now 🤬
MAGA went to the center???
What a moron. Hateful far-right "populism" can only be countered by empathetic socialistic rhetoric and policy.
The "centre" (snort) was the only one who voted, and they lost miserably. The center needs the left, it's never been the inverse.
wtf are they even ranting about? They caused a loss by nominating a nonviable genocide supporter and they're blaming everyone else and the "cultural" left so they're mad that people aren't more bigoted for some reason?
People cannot fathom that there is no such thing as a centrist or a swing voter in today's highly polarized society. There is no voter that would vote for someone like Kamala Harris and then turn around and vote for Trump, or vice versa. Absolutely no chance. NONE. Not in the amounts that would swing elections. It is a statistical impossibility.
There is also something to be said about the statistical impossibility that Trump won all 7 swing states, an impossibility bolstered by the fact that him and Elon's
meat shieldchild literally admitted they rigged the election on camera multiple times. But that's an aside.Centrism loses elections. There is no middle ground between oil company profits and climate action. There is no middle ground between health insurance profits and affordable healthcare. There is no middle ground between the grotesque amounts of wealth billionaires have and the single mother of 3 working 3 jobs and barely scraping by. There is no middle ground between women's bodily autonomy and the handmaid's tale. There is no middle ground between the due process for all people that the Constitution explicitly and unambiguously prescribes not once but TWICE, and the ICE Gestapo disappearing legal citizens off the street. There is no "middle class". There is only the rich and powerful few rigging the game to feed their insatiable greed and the rest of us who never asked to be born into their inhumane, demented game.
„You need the centre to win the vote“ Votes? Where we‘re going we don’t need votes
They're partially right in that adopting a moderate position can be electorally successful. But there are very few actual moderates in the US political system. Mamdani is a recent moderate success story, or miracle. The Democrats overall are a Conservative political party, whose stark lack of compelling policies that excite or interest the common people is why Trump won. So now you have fascists.
There is no centrism in the US, only Right and Far Right. Which is why this place exists, to call out the hypocrisy of conservatives who call themselves centrists.
Actual leftist, or even moderate, policies have such intense and entrenched cultural propaganda against them in the US that it's a Sisyphean up hill battle just to convince people that they actually want such policies. Because they do want them even if they don't realise it.
I mean, this is not written by an American so they’re not talking about American politics. And if they are, shut up and go home, you blimey fuck.
Do you mean 'limey'? I guess we do say 'blimey' a fair bit too.