there’s very weirder moments this isn’t that weird.
she found him cute once - that’s literally it. but now she’s in committed relationship so it went from very weird to incredibly weird so he literally hops a fence and runs home - no one in the show thinks this is routine behavior and treats it as not weird.
the show really really doesn’t ignore it but hinges on its awkwardness. also it’s a sitcom man it’s really not that deep
agreed this was really a one time thing from what we can tell and i wouldn’t call this nowhere near sexual harassment it was a hand deliberately placed on a knee. not that crazy imo but still very very very off putting
I mean it's a sitcom so whatever, but irl, placing your full hand on the thigh of the coworker you have the hots for and gently stroking it absolutely is sexual harrassment.
I always saw the hatred of Toby as a result of him constantly shooting down Michael's ideas in seasons 1&2. Casino Night was the first time he really displayed it after Toby listed off why people bringing their kids would be a bad idea.
Well for strictly Dunder Mifflin Toby worked for corporate not for Michael. When DM was bought out by Sabre I don’t think he was 100% corporate and then when David Wallace bought DM I think dynamics changed altogether and thus was able to be fired by Dwight. But he never was apart of the family and he’s divorced so not really apart of his family either
Hey just to be annoying, it’s “a part” not “apart.” Only pointing it out because ‘apart of’ means literally the opposite of ‘a part of.’ Have a good one!
I also wonder if David Wallace gave him permission to. Like maybe he saw Toby as part of the old corporate problem from DM that led to it going bankrupt and he’s cleaning house. Also David liked Michael and knew he hated Toby so maybe let Dwight do it as an old favor to Michael.
In all seriousness probably because his job performance tanked. Like you could tell in later seasons he was phoning it in, and he was also admitting that was the case.
I think when dwight became MANAGER! instead of acting manager (post Sabrey), DM Scranton was the last branch standing, and there were no "corporate" roles
Kaccady hit the most obvious one, but doing a whole ass corny skit at the company picnic where she announces that a branch is getting shut down...
How stupid and awful at your job do you have to be?
Very true. Depending on one's viewpoint you could also see her as an HR manager ending up dating people at both branches she works at as unprofessional too.
Let's not forget the time she and Michael left the building unlocked after they made out there, leading to the company getting robbed. I love Holly, but yeah, not great at her job.
She gets relocated back to her old place of work, because upper management found out she was dating a coworker. She then proceeds to date a different coworker at her new/old office. Her conduct during those times where she's dating a coworker is absolutely not OK (the entirety of the pda episode, not locking up after fooling around after hours which resulted in the place being robbed, the Slumdunder Mifflinaire debacle).
All of these things are bad and unprofessional enough in a vacuum, but combined FROM AN HR REP, they become inexcusable. Her role as a human resources worker should mean she's held to a higher standard when it comes to professional conduct in the workplace
They're neither. As an HR guy, ask your director what they think of HR, they'll not be any more positive.
What you need to understand is that HR, in a way, is an internal compliance department. Preventing employees from breaking the rules (thus why HR is generally involved in firing misbehaving employees), and preventing management to make predatory or even illegal staffing choices (e.g paying below the pay scale set for a job).
Now, are there some power tripping HR reps? Sure. But thats the case for any job. For the most part they are the reason your employer doesn't screw you over more than they already are though.
In my company, it feels like HR itself is the one that wants to screw everyone over. I have seen manager's attempting to get higher pay for their people and HR is the one that stands in the way. I've seen HR looking for any loophole possible to let people go when the boss themselves doesn't want to lose that person, but then miraculously keep problematic workers that departments want to get rid of only because their pay is so low that HR doesn't want to have to replace them with folks they'd have to pay more.
Or else your company just isn’t trying to get away with illegal stuff that could get the company sued so your HR department isn’t having to regularly stop you from doing stuff. Companies that don’t like HR are an enormous red flag
Yeah our HR mostly does other stuff, i havent heard of them doing conflict resolution, reprimanding people or stopping people from doing stuff like i see in the tv shows, its the department director/manager doing that.
Jim also knew Toby outside of work form when he sat in the annex prior to the show starting. He used to babysit Toby’s daughter. He knows how sad Toby’s life is. And I imagine that he and Pam probably had a check-in conversation to Mae she was ok following the leg incident. Considering both of them are ok around him afterwards, they likely decided that he hadn’t meant to be creepy, and everyone was just tired and he fell into a routine like he might have from before being married.
Jim doesn’t feel threatened by Toby, because he knows Toby doesn’t stand a chance. It’s a work crush that isn’t reciprocated. And before anyone says “Jim also had a work crush”: that’s different, because clearly Pam also had feelings for him.
Toby was one of the most negligent, fireable employees there. He presided over, and committed, extremely flagrant violations of workplace harrassment policy, among so much else. He's probably only edged out by Kevin, who committed accounting fraud.
I don't get why everyone gets that upset over the Pam thing. It was creepy, but he obviously did it without thinking, and instantly regretted it. That's more than can be said for a lot of what others have done. I mean, look at Jim in that scene at the dojo, basically the same thing but to a higher degree.
When was the last time you absent-mindedly placed your hand on your female colleague's leg and sensually caressed her bare skin with your fingers, in completely unsolicited fashion, while at your place of work? I'm guessing this isn't something that just happens to you from time to time like "oh, silly me 🤪".
And yea people universally think Jim was gross in the dojo scene but it doesn't detract from Toby's creepiness.
That specifically doesn't happen, but people absent-mindedly do things all the time, and you can't really argue he did it on purpose. Based on his characterization, you can also tell he does it less as a sexual act and more of a romantic one. In his unconscious mind he's doing it out of a want to be close to her, not to feel her up. It was inappropriate to do so, as they aren't that close, but if someone like Michael had done it you'd know it was just because he found her hot. People make mistakes, and while you can't excuse that what they did wasn't wrong, intent and what they do after matters. I just personality can't see why this is considered so creepy compared to the thousands of instances other characters are worse.
He was conscious and of sound mind. He knew her leg was there and intentionally put his hand on it, keeping it there for an extended period of time. It wasn't accidental. Sexual vs "romantic" intent is a useless distinction here. You don't ever commit a physical act of that kind without some kind of invitation - ideally verbal consent, but at minimum, implicit consent established by context such as being on a date or in some other explicitly and consensually romantic situation (and even this can be pretty dicey unless you're genuinely proficient at reading social cues - better to play it safe with verbal consent). "Being close to her" vs "wanting to feel her up" is also not a useful distinction here because A) what he did 100% qualifies as feeling her up in a manner just shy of actual sexual assault and B) Both intentions result in unwanted touching in this case.
The same is the case with Jim in the dojo, or Michael inviting Pam into his office with his dick out, etc.
Intent isn't to judge whether it's sexual harassment or inappropriate, it definitely is, intent is to judge how creepy he should be considered for it. Murder is murder but on TV if someone does it to avenge a family member we look at it more positively than if they do it to get money.
As for him doing it on purpose, I refuse to believe Toby is stupid enough to consciously put his hand on her leg. He's too much of a coward, too much of a rule follower, and not social inept enough to think it would be ok with everyone else or Pam. At the time, he's not really paying attention, and seems to play it off and pull it away as soon as he realizes.
Pretty sure there is a scene from corporate where David Wallace is shouting or cursing about his HR rep. One of my favorite running gags in the show is how management all seem to hate HR.
You saw what happened when Holly tried to get Maradith fired. Scranton was the only profitable branch if I recall correctly and there was no way in hell they would have fired Michael short of convicted murder.
That just makes me feel bad for Toby. Imagine seeing all this stuff go down that's definitely harassment and dangerous and not being able to do anything because corporate won't let you.
It sort of like when a teacher gets certified in administration, becomes principal and immediately forgets what it’s like to be in the classroom. Something gets switched off (or maybe on?)
I like that David Wallace also doesn't like the corporate HR person, no idea what episode it is.. it was maybe season 3-6..
But David Wallace expressed his dislike for the HR person in his office.
HR is there to prevent the company to be sued. It’s the first line of defence of the company lawsuit department.
That means blocking a lot of shit from the managers that could be bad to everyone but more specifically to the company in the long run. But also blocking the stuff managers think would be fun. So they feel like they have a nanny all the time
Let’s be real. Everyone is shitting on Toby (rightfully so)… but if did his job as an HR rep then 95% of what you see in the show wouldn’t be made… or most of the shit that went on would be reported to him
IRL if Toby did his job then the show wouldn’t exist
I like Toby. Besides the thing with Pam, which he obvious regretted and did without thinking, everything else was reasonable. He's just trying to do his job.
They all hate him because they all want to sexually harass an employee (Andy/Erin, Jim/Pam, and Michael/Ryan), but they know Toby is the only one getting in their way.
I do have cause. It’s beCAUSE I hate him.
I just don't really like him because he's kind of self righteous, and it was weird when he grabbed Pam's leg.
And he's so damn monotone
Except when he yells, Does anyone have a camera?!
No one has a camera Here.
The Here is one of my favorite things
no more smores, no more smores
The show seems to ignore that incident. Even Pam called him cute after that. Felt weird upon re-watch
there’s very weirder moments this isn’t that weird.
she found him cute once - that’s literally it. but now she’s in committed relationship so it went from very weird to incredibly weird so he literally hops a fence and runs home - no one in the show thinks this is routine behavior and treats it as not weird.
the show really really doesn’t ignore it but hinges on its awkwardness. also it’s a sitcom man it’s really not that deep
And he’s not even part of his own family
Yeah, Reddit seems to like Toby and overlook his blatant sexual harassment. Toby sucks.
Reddit loves Michael and no one in the entire series comes close to his level of sexual harassment
Still queer, Halpert?
Lookin' for someone to bang your wife?
Blatant sexual harassment may be a bit harsh. He’s just very awkward, and he knew immediately after that it was wrong what he did.
agreed this was really a one time thing from what we can tell and i wouldn’t call this nowhere near sexual harassment it was a hand deliberately placed on a knee. not that crazy imo but still very very very off putting
I mean it's a sitcom so whatever, but irl, placing your full hand on the thigh of the coworker you have the hots for and gently stroking it absolutely is sexual harrassment.
I think it's quite a bit worse than you remember.
Just because it happened once doesn’t mean it’s not sexual harassment. And he rubbed her knee.
Michael didnt hire an ex-convict, unless they mean Toby. Convicted rapist.
I always saw the hatred of Toby as a result of him constantly shooting down Michael's ideas in seasons 1&2. Casino Night was the first time he really displayed it after Toby listed off why people bringing their kids would be a bad idea.
Why are you the way that you are?
Who let the lemon head in
He wrote some of the more tragic King of the Hill episodes too. Guys a downer
Don’t forget Dwight using Stanley’s retirement party to shit on Toby 1 last time. At least Kevin got a well decorated cake even if he was also fired
It wasn't personal,you were just really bad at your job
You’re just saying that…
At least he got chocolate
Given how Toby never bothered to report Dwight's complaints about Jim, it was a long time coming.
I would probably site that as my reason to corporate if it came up.
He also tried to stop Dwight from firing Kevin which 100% was correct
Dwight too, I think firing toby was one of the first things he did when he finally became manager
Bye bye toby!
Why was he able to fire Toby?
Well for strictly Dunder Mifflin Toby worked for corporate not for Michael. When DM was bought out by Sabre I don’t think he was 100% corporate and then when David Wallace bought DM I think dynamics changed altogether and thus was able to be fired by Dwight. But he never was apart of the family and he’s divorced so not really apart of his family either
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Hey just to be annoying, it’s “a part” not “apart.” Only pointing it out because ‘apart of’ means literally the opposite of ‘a part of.’ Have a good one!
I think I’m getting it
But next year...
I'll be six
Hey oh!
I also wonder if David Wallace gave him permission to. Like maybe he saw Toby as part of the old corporate problem from DM that led to it going bankrupt and he’s cleaning house. Also David liked Michael and knew he hated Toby so maybe let Dwight do it as an old favor to Michael.
In all seriousness probably because his job performance tanked. Like you could tell in later seasons he was phoning it in, and he was also admitting that was the case.
He didn't. Toby retired and Holly took his place. I think he moved to Brazil
Oh hello Creed
Pretty sure none of that’s real
You're not real man
You need to bump up the numbers on your rewatches, 8% quarterly then double it!
It didn't make sense since we knew Michael couldn't fire Toby earlier
Ownership changed twice by the time Dwight became manager. A change in firing policies hardly seems out of the question
The horse has fired the horse catcher
I think when dwight became MANAGER! instead of acting manager (post Sabrey), DM Scranton was the last branch standing, and there were no "corporate" roles
That adds to the funny. That is a big part of the hate.
Even David Wallace hated his hr guy... Holly was the best hr rep in dunder Mifflin history (according to Michael)
Which makes sense, because she might've somehow been a contender for most unprofessional person in the entire show
Can you expound upon that?
PDA
Yeah I guess the stuff she was doing with Michael during the meetings before they left was pretty egregious.
Michael didn’t like Toby because he didn’t get to tap that
Kaccady hit the most obvious one, but doing a whole ass corny skit at the company picnic where she announces that a branch is getting shut down... How stupid and awful at your job do you have to be?
Very true. Depending on one's viewpoint you could also see her as an HR manager ending up dating people at both branches she works at as unprofessional too.
She's an hr dating the branch manager, pretty sure you cannot possibly get more breach of conduct than that lol
Yeah I came to the realization further down in the thread that as HR manager you really shouldn't be dating anyone you work with/oversee at all.
Let's not forget the time she and Michael left the building unlocked after they made out there, leading to the company getting robbed. I love Holly, but yeah, not great at her job.
She gets relocated back to her old place of work, because upper management found out she was dating a coworker. She then proceeds to date a different coworker at her new/old office. Her conduct during those times where she's dating a coworker is absolutely not OK (the entirety of the pda episode, not locking up after fooling around after hours which resulted in the place being robbed, the Slumdunder Mifflinaire debacle).
All of these things are bad and unprofessional enough in a vacuum, but combined FROM AN HR REP, they become inexcusable. Her role as a human resources worker should mean she's held to a higher standard when it comes to professional conduct in the workplace
Honestly, she's similar to Michael in that way. Her weird sense of humor also. That's how they connected.
Hell yeah. Nobody likes HR lol They’re puppets for the company
No, I wouldn't say I have a passion for HR
They're neither. As an HR guy, ask your director what they think of HR, they'll not be any more positive.
What you need to understand is that HR, in a way, is an internal compliance department. Preventing employees from breaking the rules (thus why HR is generally involved in firing misbehaving employees), and preventing management to make predatory or even illegal staffing choices (e.g paying below the pay scale set for a job).
Now, are there some power tripping HR reps? Sure. But thats the case for any job. For the most part they are the reason your employer doesn't screw you over more than they already are though.
True
In my company, it feels like HR itself is the one that wants to screw everyone over. I have seen manager's attempting to get higher pay for their people and HR is the one that stands in the way. I've seen HR looking for any loophole possible to let people go when the boss themselves doesn't want to lose that person, but then miraculously keep problematic workers that departments want to get rid of only because their pay is so low that HR doesn't want to have to replace them with folks they'd have to pay more.
I don't know your specific situation. But be aware that HR is also an easy scapegoat.
I very often run into situations where HR gets blamed for
A. A decision made by senior management (Funnily enough, even by senior management).
B. A decision that the manager did want to make, but knew to be not popular so explained by "HR made me do it"
Financial decision making almost never comes from HR in any company. Cost saving is decided by senior management. HR doesn't have a P&L.
I like hr lol. But maybe in our company they have different functions.
Or else your company just isn’t trying to get away with illegal stuff that could get the company sued so your HR department isn’t having to regularly stop you from doing stuff. Companies that don’t like HR are an enormous red flag
Yeah our HR mostly does other stuff, i havent heard of them doing conflict resolution, reprimanding people or stopping people from doing stuff like i see in the tv shows, its the department director/manager doing that.
Modongo Cheezo! Spadankydank!
Since WW2, 50 years!
To be fair, it wasn’t personal with Jim in that instance. He just realized that his mother-in-law had been taking the slow train from Philly
WELL TAKE A DIFFERENT ROUTE HOME MAN
Bye pickle ❤️
Jim had the most legit reason to hate him tho with what he’s like with Pam
Jim also knew Toby outside of work form when he sat in the annex prior to the show starting. He used to babysit Toby’s daughter. He knows how sad Toby’s life is. And I imagine that he and Pam probably had a check-in conversation to Mae she was ok following the leg incident. Considering both of them are ok around him afterwards, they likely decided that he hadn’t meant to be creepy, and everyone was just tired and he fell into a routine like he might have from before being married.
Jim doesn’t feel threatened by Toby, because he knows Toby doesn’t stand a chance. It’s a work crush that isn’t reciprocated. And before anyone says “Jim also had a work crush”: that’s different, because clearly Pam also had feelings for him.
It is a TV show. It ain’t that deep
Thought terminating cliche much
This is, and always has been such a weird thing to say on a "discussion" platform.
And the seats went all the way back
Modongo Cheezo!!
What about when Toby wanted to be added into the birthday party?
Well, it’s a cake Toby
but all he wanted was to ask a genuine question 😭 it wasn’t like toby was aware
Not American, what does that mean?
slow train from Philly
I hate so much about the things that you choose to be
My favourite line
Mine too and there's the one from the exclusive reading group, where Toby gets to the lunch room and Michael is like: "oh... my... God"
“this is why people are leaving”
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I mean, he is a thief of joy
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They should've had Creed mention something straight face his hatred for Toby during his 5 minutes of being manager
Creed was busy. He was riding the bull and inventing new languages
bobody bobody
We're making acronyms
I like it!
It's even funnier when you find out Toby was one of the writers and wrote himself to be hated.
What's worse than one HR rep? Two HR reps. You totally get me
It's the resigned sigh Michael does right before he says "You totally get me."
“Get out of here idiot” came straight from a heart filled with hatred.
"I was just asking a question, Toby. How are you not murdered every hour?"
Also during the Survivor Man episode when Jim becomes the temp manager and immediately starts hating Toby for asking for another cake.
Angela too, when she slaps him because of her baby poster feud with Oscar. She tells him “Michael was right about you”
If I was in a room with Toby, Bin Laden and Hitler and a gun with two bullets, I’d shoot Toby twice
Ok Michael that's too much now!
Toby was one of the most negligent, fireable employees there. He presided over, and committed, extremely flagrant violations of workplace harrassment policy, among so much else. He's probably only edged out by Kevin, who committed accounting fraud.
Toby was quite intentional about being the worst. Kevin just wanted to get home by 7pm
A problem solved by klevin gets you home by 7
“He was home by 4:30 that day”
I only watched the series once so I only remember that he touched Pam but what were the other violations he committed?
Mostly that he stood by in pathetic fashion as practically the entire office committed fireable HR violations repeatedly lol
EDIT: Almost forgot the milder, but still problematic case of Nelly.
I don't get why everyone gets that upset over the Pam thing. It was creepy, but he obviously did it without thinking, and instantly regretted it. That's more than can be said for a lot of what others have done. I mean, look at Jim in that scene at the dojo, basically the same thing but to a higher degree.
When was the last time you absent-mindedly placed your hand on your female colleague's leg and sensually caressed her bare skin with your fingers, in completely unsolicited fashion, while at your place of work? I'm guessing this isn't something that just happens to you from time to time like "oh, silly me 🤪".
And yea people universally think Jim was gross in the dojo scene but it doesn't detract from Toby's creepiness.
That specifically doesn't happen, but people absent-mindedly do things all the time, and you can't really argue he did it on purpose. Based on his characterization, you can also tell he does it less as a sexual act and more of a romantic one. In his unconscious mind he's doing it out of a want to be close to her, not to feel her up. It was inappropriate to do so, as they aren't that close, but if someone like Michael had done it you'd know it was just because he found her hot. People make mistakes, and while you can't excuse that what they did wasn't wrong, intent and what they do after matters. I just personality can't see why this is considered so creepy compared to the thousands of instances other characters are worse.
I can argue he did it on purpose though hahaha
He was conscious and of sound mind. He knew her leg was there and intentionally put his hand on it, keeping it there for an extended period of time. It wasn't accidental. Sexual vs "romantic" intent is a useless distinction here. You don't ever commit a physical act of that kind without some kind of invitation - ideally verbal consent, but at minimum, implicit consent established by context such as being on a date or in some other explicitly and consensually romantic situation (and even this can be pretty dicey unless you're genuinely proficient at reading social cues - better to play it safe with verbal consent). "Being close to her" vs "wanting to feel her up" is also not a useful distinction here because A) what he did 100% qualifies as feeling her up in a manner just shy of actual sexual assault and B) Both intentions result in unwanted touching in this case.
The same is the case with Jim in the dojo, or Michael inviting Pam into his office with his dick out, etc.
Intent isn't to judge whether it's sexual harassment or inappropriate, it definitely is, intent is to judge how creepy he should be considered for it. Murder is murder but on TV if someone does it to avenge a family member we look at it more positively than if they do it to get money.
As for him doing it on purpose, I refuse to believe Toby is stupid enough to consciously put his hand on her leg. He's too much of a coward, too much of a rule follower, and not social inept enough to think it would be ok with everyone else or Pam. At the time, he's not really paying attention, and seems to play it off and pull it away as soon as he realizes.
Pretty sure there is a scene from corporate where David Wallace is shouting or cursing about his HR rep. One of my favorite running gags in the show is how management all seem to hate HR.
Anyone that regularly has to deal with HR will learn to hate them. Corporate lap dogs that would rather fire than help you.
Does Toby ever fire anyone? Or really lay down the law at all? He's way more laid back than Michael deserves.
You saw what happened when Holly tried to get Maradith fired. Scranton was the only profitable branch if I recall correctly and there was no way in hell they would have fired Michael short of convicted murder.
That just makes me feel bad for Toby. Imagine seeing all this stuff go down that's definitely harassment and dangerous and not being able to do anything because corporate won't let you.
My favorite is when David Wallace talks about their HR rep in New York with disgust
Not now Toby! My god!
What did I do?
Hatred of Toby walked so that hatred of Larry Gergich could fly.
Oh hey Toby, you mind closing the door on your wat out?
HOW ARE YOU NOT MURDERED EVERY HOUR
Toby hated Clark like Michael hated him.
Same thing in Corporate, Wallace absolutely hates his HR guy too.
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I love how Michael joined in and said “get the hell out of here idiot” after Jim yelled
I’m not a manager, and I hate HR.
They don’t care about people, they exist to serve the corporation.
It’s because he’s HR.
It sort of like when a teacher gets certified in administration, becomes principal and immediately forgets what it’s like to be in the classroom. Something gets switched off (or maybe on?)
Peak golden quality post
I like that David Wallace also doesn't like the corporate HR person, no idea what episode it is.. it was maybe season 3-6.. But David Wallace expressed his dislike for the HR person in his office.
Fuck you Toby I don't care about your trial
I dont see no harm in that
He didn’t
Toby be like
Toby was just an easy target when stressed by the office. Easy cuz his personality and also his position is necessarily antagonistic.
Perspective is a hell of a drug!
It’s because as soon as you’re manager, HR’s job is to limit what you can do
NOT NOW, TOBY! MY GOD!
One of the funniest lines
It really is an the best representation of a boss that cares for their employees fighting hr
HR is there to prevent the company to be sued. It’s the first line of defence of the company lawsuit department.
That means blocking a lot of shit from the managers that could be bad to everyone but more specifically to the company in the long run. But also blocking the stuff managers think would be fun. So they feel like they have a nanny all the time
Let’s be real. Everyone is shitting on Toby (rightfully so)… but if did his job as an HR rep then 95% of what you see in the show wouldn’t be made… or most of the shit that went on would be reported to him
IRL if Toby did his job then the show wouldn’t exist
Absolutely. I am just stating why some managers hate HR. Others love too much, like the guy in the coldplay concert and Michael
Who let the lemonhead into the room?
If you're a manager, you hate HR more than anyone, unless you work in pharmaceutical development, then you hate QA
I work in financial marketing and I hate HR and Enterprise so much
tooo dull to be true
Idk i liked toby...
I like Toby. Besides the thing with Pam, which he obvious regretted and did without thinking, everything else was reasonable. He's just trying to do his job.
They even do it at corp. they say Jim will love everyone except this one guy from hr
I think he just always gets the ricochet cuz he wont fight back
I love Toby.
Awh man 😔
What's worse than 1 HR rep?
Jim only said that because Michael was plugging Pam's Mom and Jim just found out about it
I also thought it was really funny how much Erin hated Holly. Someone has to have an irrational hatred of the HR person lol.
Be fair to Jim. Michael had just told him about seats that go all the way down
I watched until season 3 and quit when Ryan got the corporate job. Wtf? Really?
They all hate him because they all want to sexually harass an employee (Andy/Erin, Jim/Pam, and Michael/Ryan), but they know Toby is the only one getting in their way.
Poor Toby, the Tibor of the Office
Tibor is good.
I'm saying he's treated as someone to blame for everything
Ohh duh, you meant Tibor from Simpsons, I was thinking Tibor from Modern Family whose only line was "Tibor, is good".
Yes, Simpsons