Ignore the radical Muslims who shot up a beach full of jews last week that have been on a terror watchlist for 6+ years, its adolescent white boys who are the true threat.
Oi Oi Oi, you cant say that, no its not a problem that they are assaulting women and girls, its not a problem that they are stabbing and shooting people, or turning our churches into mosques. Whitey there is the problem because hes white and that in of itself is racist.
You mention "the left hates white men" and they'll pretend to not have any clue what you're talking about. The script goes "what are you talking about? It's not happening, okay it is but it's not that common, okay it is but actually it's a good thing, why do you care, you're a bigot!" I say this as a liberal and former leftist. They no longer have the ability to engage in actual arguments. I didn't abandon the left overnight. It was a long process and thousands of attempts at good faith conversations. They just were impossible to have. I used to think the left was the side of thoughtfulness and reason. Maybe it never was but all I know is that it certainly isn't right now and I want nothing to do with it.
Here, we observe a xenophobe learning about headline grammar for the first time. Watch them instinctively make a centuries-old standard practice into a problem with foreigners. A truly remarkable sight.
Yes, they are! Oh of course they know DV is bad. But they're not committing DV. Because they're not bad. They're being perfectly reasonable, and anyone would have done the same, and actually they're the victim when you really think about it. Abusers are all monsters (and all men) who know they are abusers and choose to do evil things because they hate women and for no other reason. Obviously what they do is different because they have a reason.
And as long as we act like abusers are subhuman Morlocks with no thoughts or emotions, they're going to keep thinking that.
E: a bunch of people downvoting me who don't understand that I was describing the viewpoints of abusers and not my own
Overall, fewer teens are reporting experiencing physical abuse from their dating partners, with five per cent of teens reporting dating violence in 2013, down from six per cent in 2003.
However, the researchers found 5.8 per cent of boys and 4.2 per cent of girls said they had experienced dating violence in the past year.
First author Catherine Shaffer, a PhD student from SFU who was involved in the study, says more research is needed to understand why boys are reporting more dating violence.
“It could be that it’s still socially acceptable for girls to hit or slap boys in dating relationships,” she said. “This has been found in studies of adolescents in other countries as well.”
She added that the overall decline in dating violence, while small, is encouraging.
More girls reported emotional victimization (28%) and perpetration (18%) than boys (20% and 16%, respectively). More girls (8%) than boys (7%) reported physical perpetration. However, boys (17%) reported more physical victimization than girls (12%). Age-related trajectories of DRV victimization and perpetration were stronger in girls than in boys. Students from single or step parent homes, those in care, and certain ethnic minority groups had increased odds of DRV. No association was found between socioeconomic status and DRV.
This is a n=74908 study from 193 schools across Wales. Slightly more Welsh girls admitted being the perpetrator of DV, and more Welsh boys reported being the victim of it. The study also acknowledges that there is less cultural tolerance for male-perpetrated DV and that men/boys are less likely to report abuse.
The real question is not how to stop "toxic masculinity" using DV lessons. The real question is: how do we stop legitmizing the abuse on men and boys from their female partners? After all, both studies blamed cultural attitudes for the higher rate of female-on-male abuse. This problem can only be fixed by an inclusive anti-DV education, not one that scapegoats boys for an imagined toxic masculinity which certainly does not cause boys to be abused by their partners.
The abuser's reasoning is flawed, and their perception that all abusers are men who hate women is flawed. When saying that, this commenter was describing the flawed logic that lets abusers justify their own wrongdoings to themselves.
That was me describing what domestic abusers believe. Domestic abusers believe domestic abuse is wrong but that they are not committing domestic abuse because they don't fit the imaginary profile feminism created.
It is never about the true topic they write about. It is about how to destroy their own country they hate so much.
I guarantee that lefties will find a way to praise Sharia law one day once the demographics allow no turning back anymore. Will happen in some parts of Western Europe in our lifetime.
Gotta spend years brainwashing him to wear a dress, change his name, self-mutilate, then off himself! Thats much healthier and not toxic, unlike having a loving family and working a job to support them.
I mean, see his needlessly gendered shirt???? Fucking evil.
Teaching boys to be emotionally healthy and less sexist ≠ turning boys into girls.
EDIT (since my responses are getting shadow banned lmao):
I never said boys can’t be emotionally healthy. Some are naturally healthy, in spite of social pressures. But when boys are taught that their only acceptable responses to emotional pain are anger, violence, or suppression, they don’t tend to grow into emotionally mature adults.
And yes, boys learn and/or are ingrained with sexist inclinations. Thinking of girls as sexual objects, thinking of girls as possessions, chastising other boys for being feminine or gay, valuing detached logic over emotional intelligence (and associating boys with the former and girls with the latter), excluding girls from activities purely because they’re girls, etc., are all features of the social environment most North American boys grow up in.
Also, to the genius who said “he’s only eight years old—he can’t hurt you”: kids grow up.
Yes because kids are so much more emotionally healthy today than 20 years ago.
We should continue teaching them that at baseline they're evil, especially those pesky white boys who will no doubt end up as serial killers or career criminals without state intervention.
Teaching someone to hate themselves for what theyre born as seems to a recurrent theme with the left. Start the anxiety and neuroticism young and youre guaranteed to have a D voter for life.
kids are so much more emotionally healthy today than 20 years ago.
Kids’ mental health is in decline. But I think that has far more to do with the technological invasion into young minds—by companies whose primary intention is to create addictive behaviours—than with anything else.
Teaching someone to hate themselves for what theyre born as seems to be a recurrent theme with the left.
Good thing that’s not what they’re teaching! Teaching kids to be mindful of systemic injustices is not teaching kids to hate themselves—it’s equipping them with the cognitive tools to solve those issues.
The right does a much better job of inspiring hatred: hate immigrants, hate gay people, hate trans people, hate female reproductive rights, hate women expressing themselves sexually, hate atheists, hate muslims, hate poor countries, hate academics, hate science, hate the rule of law, and hate democratic institutions.
I never said boys can’t be emotionally healthy. Some are naturally healthy, in spite of social pressures. But when boys are taught that their only acceptable responses to emotional pain are anger, violence, or suppression, they don’t tend to grow into emotionally mature adults.
And yes, boys learn and/or are ingrained with sexist inclinations. Thinking of girls as sexual objects, thinking of girls as possessions, chastising other boys for being feminine or gay, valuing detached logic over emotional intelligence (and associating boys with the former and girls with the latter), excluding girls from activities purely because they’re girls, etc., are all features of the social environment most North American boys grow up in.
Ireland, Australia, and New Zealand have been speed running self destructive woke policy. They got to it about a decade slower than everywhere else and cranked the policies up to 11 to make up for lost time.
Telling a 12-year-old boy that he's a violent psychopathic rapist and abuser not because he has committed a crime but because society says all men fit this criteria
and that expressing any emotion happiness, anger, sadness is not allowed because you must at all times consider everyone else's feelings as valid as they invalidate your own, definitely will not breed mental illness in a population
Looks exactly like me when I grew up. I’m glad to see the fucking newspaper single out white male children as the anti christ. Really makes me feel good about myself.
*Picture of young woman in middle school.* "How do we stop this girl from becoming a bitch? Lessons about not seducing men, divorcing them, taking their house, money and kids away from them."
oh no, lets neuter the strength of western society so we can inject them with 3rd worlders without any pushback in order to obfuscate a stable society and by up the land for cheap in the wake of it's collapse
Assert dominance by castrating him while a circle of women frothing at the mouth scream obscenities and accusations based entirely on emotional response around him.
Yeah but we all know women are only toxic in response to men. Women only hurt men because of men!!! Why can't you see that it is actually the victims fault that I neutered him? /s
I think the people who started the term meant well, but in practice instead of saying "toxic masculinity" they could just say "masculinity" and the meaning fits how this term is being used today.
And people wonder why dirtbags like Fuentes and Tate are popular. They wouldn't have an audience if the society these boys lived under didn't spend all its time demonizing them. By doing so they make some of the only voices saying anything positive to them seem more attractive.
Just like that Netflix show, very accurate and true to life. Will they also address toxic femininity, and the 3rd world cultures imported into western countries that are allowed to keep their medieval practices and attitudes to women?
What are DV lessons? There’s not a damn thing wrong with how that kid is dressed. The normal things must all be attacked because they don’t fit our narrative. Why must they always involved children?
It really depends on what they're considering "toxic masculinity".. keep him from going down some insane Andrew Tate 4chan pol pipeline and shooting up a church? Sure, I'm down.
Keep him from being allowed to be even healthily masculine at all, confident at all, trying to force him down the whole bullshit white/male guilt/shame pipeline so he becomes an incurably depressed invalid, or anything even slightly tangentially related to that? That's where we'll have words.
Do you seriously not understand what’s being said here? Nobody is claiming that a child automatically has toxic masculinity. If that were the point, the question would be “how do we make this kid less toxic?”
But that’s not what’s being asked. The question is how we prevent toxic tendencies from developing in the first place. How do we stop this kid from learning those behaviors?
Why is that so hard to grasp?
Is it a bit of rage bait to put a picture of a kid on an article like this? Sure! But why go full doomer over it? It’s just another rage bait article, nothing more.
This post has gotten out of hand. Going to go ahead and pull the brakes on this train, folks.
Ignore the radical Muslims who shot up a beach full of jews last week that have been on a terror watchlist for 6+ years, its adolescent white boys who are the true threat.
Anthony Albanese our Prime Minister moments after the attack tried to blame the far right for this attack.
https://preview.redd.it/fg3dcmfhvn8g1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=03eb27070ae518a85bd705d92ffa1f7e2565c453
Truly a 12 year old is the greatest danger to that upside down country
Oi Oi Oi, you cant say that, no its not a problem that they are assaulting women and girls, its not a problem that they are stabbing and shooting people, or turning our churches into mosques. Whitey there is the problem because hes white and that in of itself is racist.
I love how the takeaway from that for these people was "see how seldom it happens in Australia with our gun ban compared to USA"
Like good God, at least TRY to look at the bigger picture.
In fairness, if I can make out the date correctly, this is from 2 years ago.
Despicable nonetheless.
Fair. I couldn't make out the date, it is pretty blurry on my phone
Just curious—how many people in your country are murdered by white men vs. how many are murdered by ‘radical Muslims’?
Why do people think the left hates men? /s
You mention "the left hates white men" and they'll pretend to not have any clue what you're talking about. The script goes "what are you talking about? It's not happening, okay it is but it's not that common, okay it is but actually it's a good thing, why do you care, you're a bigot!" I say this as a liberal and former leftist. They no longer have the ability to engage in actual arguments. I didn't abandon the left overnight. It was a long process and thousands of attempts at good faith conversations. They just were impossible to have. I used to think the left was the side of thoughtfulness and reason. Maybe it never was but all I know is that it certainly isn't right now and I want nothing to do with it.
Story if my life here too
That's right, It's not happening
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*boys. FTFY.
nah both
If you're going to play left and right, they've already got you
The grammar is readable but still painful as if a foreigner wrote it
It's Australia so a foreigner may very well have written that part. Bethany Hiatt wrote the article though.
Saaar my texts well written saaar!
Here, we observe a xenophobe learning about headline grammar for the first time. Watch them instinctively make a centuries-old standard practice into a problem with foreigners. A truly remarkable sight.
"Call for DV lessons at school to address menace of toxic masculinity."
Do you actually think that at this point the people still committing DV are just unaware that it's bad?
Bill Burr - Domestic Violence
Yes, they are! Oh of course they know DV is bad. But they're not committing DV. Because they're not bad. They're being perfectly reasonable, and anyone would have done the same, and actually they're the victim when you really think about it. Abusers are all monsters (and all men) who know they are abusers and choose to do evil things because they hate women and for no other reason. Obviously what they do is different because they have a reason.
And as long as we act like abusers are subhuman Morlocks with no thoughts or emotions, they're going to keep thinking that.
E: a bunch of people downvoting me who don't understand that I was describing the viewpoints of abusers and not my own
I will also add on to my earlier comment with some stats about teen dating violence, since we are talking about young boys and girls and DV.
In Canada (BC), boys are more likely to report being the victim of teen dating violence than girls.
https://doi.org/10.1177/0886260518788367
here is the press release: Teen dating violence is down, but boys still report more violence than girls
Here is a cross-sectional DV study for Welsh 11-16 year olds:
This is a n=74908 study from 193 schools across Wales. Slightly more Welsh girls admitted being the perpetrator of DV, and more Welsh boys reported being the victim of it. The study also acknowledges that there is less cultural tolerance for male-perpetrated DV and that men/boys are less likely to report abuse.
The real question is not how to stop "toxic masculinity" using DV lessons. The real question is: how do we stop legitmizing the abuse on men and boys from their female partners? After all, both studies blamed cultural attitudes for the higher rate of female-on-male abuse. This problem can only be fixed by an inclusive anti-DV education, not one that scapegoats boys for an imagined toxic masculinity which certainly does not cause boys to be abused by their partners.
What is YOUR plan to protect boys?
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That's their point, I think.
The abuser's logic is along the lines of:
> Abusers are bad people.
> I'm a good person.
> Therefore, I'm not an abuser.
The abuser's reasoning is flawed, and their perception that all abusers are men who hate women is flawed. When saying that, this commenter was describing the flawed logic that lets abusers justify their own wrongdoings to themselves.
That was me describing what domestic abusers believe. Domestic abusers believe domestic abuse is wrong but that they are not committing domestic abuse because they don't fit the imaginary profile feminism created.
Feminism is wrong in believing this.
Imagine with another skin colour.
Self hating useless commies are the downfall of western societies
Change literally anything about that image and that one headline would (rightly) spawn dozens for weeks.
Especially ironic as there have been polls in the UK on Andrew Tate support among young men by ethnicity.
You can look them up, but the spoiler is that white people aren't the problem, and I'd be shocked if this isn't the same in Australia.
It is never about the true topic they write about. It is about how to destroy their own country they hate so much.
I guarantee that lefties will find a way to praise Sharia law one day once the demographics allow no turning back anymore. Will happen in some parts of Western Europe in our lifetime.
All cultures are equally valid
That sounds a lot like doomerism.
This is called systemic and institutionalised racism and sexism
Ironically, years of rhetoric like this actually turns otherwise normal young men into monsters.
Well, it becomes a form of self defence.
Maybe that’s the point
Gotta spend years brainwashing him to wear a dress, change his name, self-mutilate, then off himself! Thats much healthier and not toxic, unlike having a loving family and working a job to support them.
I mean, see his needlessly gendered shirt???? Fucking evil.
I’m literally shaking just looking at this 8 year old
Seeing a child that doesnt validate me fucking rocks me to my core
How fucking dare an 8 year old with no connection to me not pat me on the fucking back
Can i just compliment you on your username? Literally hilarious. Also i agree!
Most MAGAts have that same physical visceral reaction when they look at 8yr olds, whatdya know!
I hope this is a bot vomiting random words out. This would be a fucking embarassing waste of resources as an actual person.
Teaching boys to be emotionally healthy and less sexist ≠ turning boys into girls.
EDIT (since my responses are getting shadow banned lmao):
Also, to the genius who said “he’s only eight years old—he can’t hurt you”: kids grow up.
Its an 8 year old wearing a collared shirt and slacks.
He cant hurt you lmfao
The thing about kids is that they grow up.
Yes because kids are so much more emotionally healthy today than 20 years ago.
We should continue teaching them that at baseline they're evil, especially those pesky white boys who will no doubt end up as serial killers or career criminals without state intervention.
Teaching someone to hate themselves for what theyre born as seems to a recurrent theme with the left. Start the anxiety and neuroticism young and youre guaranteed to have a D voter for life.
Kids’ mental health is in decline. But I think that has far more to do with the technological invasion into young minds—by companies whose primary intention is to create addictive behaviours—than with anything else.
Good thing that’s not what they’re teaching! Teaching kids to be mindful of systemic injustices is not teaching kids to hate themselves—it’s equipping them with the cognitive tools to solve those issues.
The right does a much better job of inspiring hatred: hate immigrants, hate gay people, hate trans people, hate female reproductive rights, hate women expressing themselves sexually, hate atheists, hate muslims, hate poor countries, hate academics, hate science, hate the rule of law, and hate democratic institutions.
Can tell you're part of the problem when you're saying boys can't be emotionally healthy and must learn to be "less sexist"
I never said boys can’t be emotionally healthy. Some are naturally healthy, in spite of social pressures. But when boys are taught that their only acceptable responses to emotional pain are anger, violence, or suppression, they don’t tend to grow into emotionally mature adults.
And yes, boys learn and/or are ingrained with sexist inclinations. Thinking of girls as sexual objects, thinking of girls as possessions, chastising other boys for being feminine or gay, valuing detached logic over emotional intelligence (and associating boys with the former and girls with the latter), excluding girls from activities purely because they’re girls, etc., are all features of the social environment most North American boys grow up in.
Another shadow ban conspiracy?
You got caught by our automod because of your word choices and the downvotes you’ve been getting.
Not a conspiracy. I wasn’t notified that my responses were getting quietly deleted for everyone else—that’s shadow banning.
Nope. Just filtered. We have to manually approve them because you received so many downvotes and used certain verbiage that Reddit flags.
Post is locked now, though. Take care.
Australia and New Zealand make Western Europe look like Oklahoma politically.
Unironic “why don’t all countries just abolish nukes at the same time” esque belief system
Ireland, Australia, and New Zealand have been speed running self destructive woke policy. They got to it about a decade slower than everywhere else and cranked the policies up to 11 to make up for lost time.
Step one, anyone who writes a news article about "toxic masculinity" needs to be put on the sex offender list.
He's standing there being white male... menacingly!
Telling a 12-year-old boy that he's a violent psychopathic rapist and abuser not because he has committed a crime but because society says all men fit this criteria
and that expressing any emotion happiness, anger, sadness is not allowed because you must at all times consider everyone else's feelings as valid as they invalidate your own, definitely will not breed mental illness in a population
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I just know what was In the deleted comment.
Yeah, that kid looks absolutely terrifying... 🙄
The grossest part is that they used a real photo of a child in this.
Kinda gotta hope it's at least an *old* stock photo
When White people are no longer the majority, they will be mercilessly punished for their perceived historical & ancestral debt
It’s happening in South Africa, it’s happening in Europe, and it can happen here too
Now add Australia on the list
Extra holocaust lessons would fix him.
You gotta tell this one it was 12 million to fix him.
"How do we stop this kid from becoming a monster"
Have you tried not treating him like one?
Wonder why they want weak men? Wait till they need these men to defend their country.
Domestic violence lessons? Like teaching people to do domestic violence? Isn’t that what home ec is for?
Relevant Family Guy clip
This is what I was thinking of when I made the comment
Looks exactly like me when I grew up. I’m glad to see the fucking newspaper single out white male children as the anti christ. Really makes me feel good about myself.
*Picture of young woman in middle school.* "How do we stop this girl from becoming a bitch? Lessons about not seducing men, divorcing them, taking their house, money and kids away from them."
We don't even know if that poor kid is a boy. She might be trans. Why would you think a potential transgirl might become a monster?
A boy NOT wearing a dress?!? 🤬😠😡 SHUT IT DOWN!!!
oh no, lets neuter the strength of western society so we can inject them with 3rd worlders without any pushback in order to obfuscate a stable society and by up the land for cheap in the wake of it's collapse
That sounds like dooming you might be in the wrong sub
Well, you know how those people are. I mean, I'm not being bigoted, I have one as a friends. He's one of the good ones.
Cool. I'll be in favour of that just as soon as lessons for girls are implemented to address toxic femininity.
Assert dominance by castrating him while a circle of women frothing at the mouth scream obscenities and accusations based entirely on emotional response around him.
And then they wonder why the majority of the world is moving to the right...
This feels like it could also go on fuckyouinparticular. Like this specific kid will become a monster if we don’t stop him.
Just like how Emma will never be a doctor.
https://preview.redd.it/ussyaawmgn8g1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e4220ab32f21dac91c6bda11216b16d4b1b5a872
This is insane. Luckily it’s from two years ago. Hope that fake ‘toxic masculinity’ nonsense has faded away.
His smug aura mocks me
He's just standing there, menacingly!
I am ok with this as long as we work to get rid of toxic femininity…although we all know where this comes from.
Yeah but we all know women are only toxic in response to men. Women only hurt men because of men!!! Why can't you see that it is actually the victims fault that I neutered him? /s
I think the people who started the term meant well, but in practice instead of saying "toxic masculinity" they could just say "masculinity" and the meaning fits how this term is being used today.
Do they seriously think these mandatory lessons won’t backfire and just make teenage boys thrice as much resentful towards the feminist movement
How do we stop this kid from becoming a monster?
Simple…
Keep him away from Islamists.
And people wonder why dirtbags like Fuentes and Tate are popular. They wouldn't have an audience if the society these boys lived under didn't spend all its time demonizing them. By doing so they make some of the only voices saying anything positive to them seem more attractive.
Bro looks like he’s going to sell my Boy Scouts popcorn in front of a Kroger
Isn’t domestic violence typically committed by women rather than men?
Just like that Netflix show, very accurate and true to life. Will they also address toxic femininity, and the 3rd world cultures imported into western countries that are allowed to keep their medieval practices and attitudes to women?
it's not about boys dylan just sucks
Treating kids like monsters from the start is a good way to create problems rather than solve them. Whatever happened to our kids are the future?
The “Blank Slate” people strike again….
Lolololol good job Australia
I really hope some delusional lefties meet me at my school. I’ll be branded a terrorist lmao
Nobody can figure it out that its been a lack of masculinity in young boys lives?
This was released days after an Islamic mass murder of Jews.
What are DV lessons? There’s not a damn thing wrong with how that kid is dressed. The normal things must all be attacked because they don’t fit our narrative. Why must they always involved children?
It’s like they’re trying to distract us from something
Its time to revolt Austrailians. Its past time.
It really depends on what they're considering "toxic masculinity".. keep him from going down some insane Andrew Tate 4chan pol pipeline and shooting up a church? Sure, I'm down.
Keep him from being allowed to be even healthily masculine at all, confident at all, trying to force him down the whole bullshit white/male guilt/shame pipeline so he becomes an incurably depressed invalid, or anything even slightly tangentially related to that? That's where we'll have words.
This just seems like Tabloids being Tabloids
Do you seriously not understand what’s being said here? Nobody is claiming that a child automatically has toxic masculinity. If that were the point, the question would be “how do we make this kid less toxic?”
But that’s not what’s being asked. The question is how we prevent toxic tendencies from developing in the first place. How do we stop this kid from learning those behaviors? Why is that so hard to grasp?
Is it a bit of rage bait to put a picture of a kid on an article like this? Sure! But why go full doomer over it? It’s just another rage bait article, nothing more.