the water bill is crazy
  • 9402 points Doctor_Saved

    Sometimes, I think about this kinda set up when I drive by a large drainage pipe like this. I never thought someone would actually do it.

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    3651 points Lemmy-user

    Yeah it's deadly.

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    3420 points NoStable3695

    ANYONE GONNA SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE DUDE DRINKING RECESS WATER?....

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    2443 points One_Animator_1835

    He's living in a drainage pipe bro I think he's got bigger problems going on

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    1676 points LumpusKrampus

    Dysentery makes literally anything worse. Even death.

    Dead+Still shitting=worse.

    Masturbating+uncontrollable shitting=worse

    Shitting+even more shitting at the same time=wow, worse

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    771 points CriSstooFer

    Constipation+uncontrollable shitting=TIME PARADOX

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    327 points Amoniakas

    Some would think those cancel each other out, but no that is the worst time.

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    100 points TwoPercentCherry

    Pretty much the worst posdible outcome for your butthole. Used to happen to me relative often

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    62 points Royal_Cryptographer7

    If you think that's the worse possible outcome for your butthole, you don't have much of an imagination.

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    24 points ButtFuckFingers

    Exactly my thoughts!

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    52 points AugustSky87

    someone told me “that the colon isn’t a straight tube, it’s more like a storage container with folds”

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    12 points Working-Glass6136

    Yup no shit

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    11 points Baeolophus_bicolor

    Actually, yes shit

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    23 points henadique

    Wouldn't the constipation form a cork that makes the substance stuck in you resulting in more and more swollen bowels until it pops you out like a balloon if you don't get surgery done

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    38 points Interesting_Survey39

    Fun fact, if you have a bowel obstruction and don't do anything to fix it, you could end up with the fun time of vomiting fecal matter. 😁

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    42 points proximity_account

    Sir/ma'am, I would like to talk to your manager about your definition of fun.

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    56 points neurosquid

    When I was a kid I started calling this "constirrhea"

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    47 points jamesmcdash

    Hey now, that's nobody's business but the Turks

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    24 points Apathetic0101

    Even ol Poo York was once called Shitsterdam

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    10 points finnishinsider

    Why they changed it i can't say, people just like it better that wayyyyyyyyy!!!

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    5 points PrettyOrk

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    53 points RedditOO77

    I thought the same! He’s got a death wish

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    26 points hardy_and_free

    He's sowing dysentery among the ranks!

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    21 points SlugOnAPumpkin

    It's probably not great, but all we really know is that he's drinking water from a culvert. Culverts move water in many different contexts, and not all of them involve polluted water. I like to look for and ID aquatic plants in the wild, so I've spent a fair amount of time looking into and around culverts. Quite a few of them move perfectly clean water.

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    9 points Delboyyyyy

    Maybe he’s blowing bubbles

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    773 points Few-Mood6580

    There’s a reason homeless deaths don’t end up on the news.

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    280 points TheTallGuy0

    Because they’re swept out to sea? 

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    226 points Lizzy-Boredum

    All drains lead to the ocean man 👙🐬

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    119 points Mysterious_Dot00

    Dolphin wearing a bikini? Nice

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    36 points brentrow

    “Take me by the hand”

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    24 points Slabby_the_Baconman

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    20 points WillyBluntz89

    Lead me to the land that you understand

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    13 points Lizzy-Boredum

    the voyage to the corner of the globe Is a real trip 🐟🐠🦈🐡

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    168 points FuzzzyRam

    Because we have no fucking clue how many die of exposure, drowning, dehydration, starvation, rape/murder, infections, and drug overdoses while the churches put up a new gold cross and the white house gets a new ballroom?

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    30 points ThatDamnRanga

    I reckon someone should write a song about it. But unfortunately the "i got mine fuck ya" folks still won't care.

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    11 points FuzzzyRam

    A Hard Rain’s A‐Gonna Fall comes to mind.

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    7 points GoodMix392

    I know people that built a whole complex of apartment with a cinema in a drainage system. The authorities know they are there and come to do structural inspections etc. But they just leave the squatters alone. It’s been going for about 10 years now.

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    318 points NatronT13

    When I was about 5 or 6 (1979/80) we used to have the freedom to go wherever we wanted to, almost no questions asked. So like me and 3 friends would go explore the drainage pipes in Austin TX. We came across a sheet of plywood someone used as a floor/bed. we thought we hit gold , we found our new "clubhouse"! Didn't take long for the homeless guy who made it to show up and scare the living shit out of us! Anyway, glad to see he's doing good.

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    98 points lunaflect

    We used to walk through these into the neighborhood and yell out the curb drain. Late 80s

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    31 points NatronT13

    hahaha, I wish we thought of that! We used to know the tunnels in our neighborhood like the back of our hands. We would use them just to go to our friends house 2 blocks away. My friends and I used to literally say "We can't get kidnapped if we go underground." (stranger danger was some scary shit!)

    ps. When Goonies came out I thought "Now this is my kinda movie! We do this stuff every day."

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    10 points StaviaKostia

    We did this too, constantly, from 1983 when we moved into that house until we were too tall for the pipe. We were the house at the bottom of the street, so the outlet pipe was in our backyard. It was somehow part of the source of a stream that by a few blocks away had actual fish in it and was several feet deep. I think about it all the time because you could walk ten feet from our backyard and be in “the forest.” Magic.

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    9 points PeanutButterSoda

    It's where everyone went to smoke weed before the school bus came. It was very obvious with all the smoke coming out though 😂

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    18 points Howllat

    Oh shit i also lived in Austin and found a really intricate tunnel camp.

    This one was south near Barton

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    10 points NatronT13

    Damn, I got really excited for a second. I thought I found an old friend. unfortunately ours was right around 183 right by a Red lobster. I think that Red lobster is still there but it's been a long time since I drove up that way.

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    494 points Fumquat

    Sadly a common strategy. Sad because it’s insanely dangerous when rain hits, the tube floods faster than one can react.

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    67 points Natedoggsk8

    What about two?

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    158 points rayquazza74

    I used to go into storm drains a lot back in hs, some of them were massive too, like 20ft tall.

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    261 points MinorComprehension

    I used to do this as a kid too, it gives you a interesting feeling, confined spaces, kind of like a spelunker.

    Then I realized if things were sized according to the potential volume of water that had to come through them, perhaps I shouldn't be there. Then again, we had a couple years of drought and I found some of my first gentleman's mags shoved in a crack of a larger storm drain...

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    47 points rayquazza74

    lol someone spray painted my phone # down there and every once every year or two I’d get a call or text asking 😆

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    96 points thegame2386

    You found some dirty mags..... shoved in a crack..... in a big dark hole....

    So on the nose its got a monogrammed hankie. Lmao.

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    25 points MechaBeatsInTrash

    I found some vintage Playboy and Hustler magazines in a box of Wild Turkey in an abandoned parking lot next to a railroad track. I thought the cliché was hilarious.

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    22 points Legitimate_Bird_5712

    I also found a brown paper bag filled with Hustlers next to some train tracks as a 14 year-old. Little did I know that would be one of the greatest days of my life.

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    7 points Special313k

    I only found a couple tore up mags in the woods behind Taco Bell. Luckily my dad had a wild porn addiction, so I was able to find plenty more before the internet became available.

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    12 points miakpaeroe

    I found a bag of weed in a parking lot by a 24 hour friend frog leg place and smoked it with my friends girlfriend and he wasn’t too happy about it but we’re still friends and they found like a dozen cars in the river by the parking lot this past summer. The weed was from like 2010

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    14 points thingstopraise

    Where is this land of the 24-hour frog leg emporium?

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    22 points MinorComprehension

    I mean, in multiple ways you're not wrong in that illustration

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    64 points patchworkedMan

    There's a saying about engineering that anyone can build a bridge but only an engineer can barely build bridge. If something in engineered correctly than it was built to specification at the the cheapest price. If that drain was 20ft tall then the reason for it is that at some point in the future during a once in a decade storm the water will reach the top of that drain.

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    63 points QBertamis

    You’re taking the expression entirely out of context.

    It’s very easy to overbuild things. Anyone can do so. We did so for thousands of years.

    It takes engineering knowledge to build something to such a degree that it is just enough. Thus saving materials.

    No one needs a 10x factor of safety. 1.5x will do.

    a civil engineer

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    27 points Zealousideal_Ad5358

    Some people say the glass is half full, some people say the glass is half empty. The Engineer says the glass is twice as big as it ought to be.

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    7 points patchworkedMan

    I was definitely overstating it but if it stops some kid reading this thread from building a shack in a storm drain I don't mind.

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    17 points disruptioncoin

    My brother dared me to crawl through one that ran under our apartment complex when we were kids, so I did. He then told on me FOR DOING WHAT HE DARED ME TO DO!

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    32 points Rich-Equivalent-1875

    Did they take a sip of the water?

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    5 points sneakyDoings

    Hope they have all their shots

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    28 points Tat2dDad

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/primal-life-escape-from-las-vegas-tunnels-starts-with-volunteer-visits/amp/

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    13 points captamericaftw

    Wasn't there a famous early 00s porn star that reporters found living down there.

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    16 points senn42000

    Jenni Lee

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    45 points ShoulderSquirrelVT

    Stephanie Sadorra (Jenni Lee) ran into a drug problem, but also was quoted as saying that she likes it there because everyone treats each other nicer.

    She was treated (like many porn stars) terribly so much that living in a tunnel felt better….

    What a sad story.

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    10 points antechrist23

    And Faye Reagan

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    11 points snakelygiggles

    holy shit. i knew Faye fell off but that hard?

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    4 points Sleightly_Awkward

    I’m assuming you having seen the video. It’s unrelated to OP’s topic but yeah. Faye fell hard.

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    23 points notorious1212

    Man I thought he was in a tent over some fresh snowmelt stream. That’s just gross

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    37 points JAK49

    There’s a guy on YouTube that does all sorts of urban stealth camping. He did this in the winter. As his body heat warmed the space up it started thawing out the dormant bugs that had been riding out the cold stuck to the ceiling and they all started falling on him on the night.

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    16 points CobandCoffee

    There's a whole homeless community that lives under Vegas in tunnels like these.

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    26 points Pleasantlyracist

    This isn't a storm drainage pipe, but a camping setup or a structure that this guy built over a creek. I'm sure it's still dangerous, but it's not in a pipe.

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    9 points straya-mate90

    its deff an RCP.

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    11 points Cloverose2

    It's a concrete pipe.

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    4 points Expensive_Lettuce239

    The dude apparently didn't read the instructions on how to set up a waterbed.

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  • 4941 points AsbestosDude

    If you think this is interesting, look into the Vegas underground.

    Its a giant floodwaters system to protect the city, however in the desert they dont get floods too often..

    So theres like 1500 people who live there. Any rain event is pretty sad for them, its wild though, literal mole people

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    809 points AsbestosDude

    The wildest way to arrive at burning man

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    157 points got-trunks

    entry is free though if you make it

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    58 points AwarePsychology8887

    It's only 500 miles away, so if you do make it you definitely earn it

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    110 points RealEstateDuck

    We all float down here

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    85 points l30

    Genuinely not true, for a variety of reasons. The main reason is that both the city and volunteers go through and clear out the tunnels well in advance of floods. Unless someone is deliberately disregarding the warnings, they won't get caught in the tunnels when they flood.

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    91 points l30

    Actually, it is a well-documented coordinated effort, though it is primarily led by non-profits rather than just random city officials. Groups like Shine A Light (run by former tunnel residents) and HELP of Southern Nevada work with county fire/rescue teams to conduct "tunnel sweeps" specifically when heavy storms are forecast. They don’t just wander in while the tunnel is already full of water; they go in when the threat is imminent (e.g., incoming monsoons or specific systems like Hurricane Hilary) to get people out before the flash floods hit.

    You can verify this easily. During Hurricane Hilary in 2023, multiple news outlets filmed teams going into the tunnels to warn residents to evacuate. This video from 8 News Now Las Vegas explicitly shows outreach workers warning tunnel residents of the incoming storm. Similarly, this report from the Nevada Independent details how caseworkers rush to get people out during "monsoon season" (June-Sept) because the water rises too fast for people to outrun.

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    19 points logaboga

    Just because they try to prevent it doesn’t mean that people don’t die

    https://knpr.org/show/knprs-state-of-nevada/2016-08-03/flood-spells-tragedy-for-tunnel-dwellers

    https://news3lv.com/news/local/group-works-to-help-people-living-in-tunnels-under-las-vegas-storm-rescues-deaths-flood-wash-channel-homeless-southern-nevada

    https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/never-come-back-flooding-highlights-dangers-to-homeless-living-in-tunnels-2902655/

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    3 points Lower-parachute

    Do you think predictive weather services don’t exist, and that public servants don’t either?

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    4 points AlienCopulator

    That’s bs

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    391 points Trufrew

    Yep, I was there a few weeks ago after they had a few days of rain. The cab driver mentioned it and it was leading to a spike of issues around the strip. I didn't see increased issues, but you could definitely measure the displacement.

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    166 points Brother_J_La_la

    It was pretty heavy rain too, for the first time in a long time. Like two feet of water flowing in places, and I'm higher up than most of the city. Can't imagine what it would be like in those tunnels.

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    64 points Doingitwronf

    In that weather those tunnels were probably just big pipes.

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    37 points MIMMan06

    Having lived there in the 90s and saw the flooding that pushed for the new wash canal creation, I have a bit of an idea of what it would look like. Spoiler, really bad…and wet.

    Edit: typo.

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    21 points Gemeril

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    24 points 89141-zip-code

    It rained for 7 days straight. Our little ski hill got pounded with snowfall.

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    156 points ThisALowQualitySite

    I did a whole project on those folks for a college public speaking course like a decade ago. Absolute peak ingenuity, also peak depression.

    Edit: spelling, college didn't work.

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    17 points Cattytonic

    Are there any good docs or things to watch that you'd recommend? This is fascinating to me

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    25 points Juleniumn

    Just watched this video recently and learned about them https://youtu.be/7MkAs99O1LQ?si=t_bvPnvolGnVQZg_

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    615 points fletters

    It’s full of radscorpions, though.

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    124 points RobertWilliamBarker

    Mother fuckers pop up out of nowhere.

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    79 points Chromarict

    Radscorpions or New Vegas fans?

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    49 points half-baked_axx

    Yes

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    28 points SuperDizz

    Like.. nuclear powered scorpions, irradiated scorpions, cool scorpions?

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    12 points FlukyFish

    Correct

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    142 points Eccohawk

    Plenty of people in France doing the same in the catacombs.

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    108 points BanzaiKen

    Yeah they have legit setups. An old Steam buddy of mine used to talk about how a group of his friends had setup a full theater and rave club in one of the passages and got away with it for years by swapping different municipal property signs on the door they built.

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    66 points just_a_bit_gay_

    This couldn’t be the other side of the urban legend where cops discovered a theater then came back the next day to find they packed up and left only a note could it?

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    12 points jasmine_tea_

    was thinking of this

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    11 points Goushrai

    I know there used to be parties for people in the know. There are security guards, I don’t know if they are police (because it’s dangerous out there and you will die if you go there without knowing where you’re going), and basically they knew the party people were harmless and respected the place, so they left them alone. People they didn’t know would get kicked out if found.

    That was 20 years ago, I don’t know the situation now, and whether there are actually homeless people living there.

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    10 points isn12

    Damn, where can i read more about it

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    13 points yummmmmmmmmm

    not what you asked but neat anyway https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/08/filmnews.france

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    47 points Scratius

    That makes the hive cities of sci fi series all the more believable. People toiling underground for generations without ever seeing the sun just to fuel the Emperor’s war machine.

    The Emperor protects.

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    35 points crazydaze

    There’s an ex porn actress I’m sure most have spanked it to who was found in there by someone doing a documentary.

    Jenni Lee

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    37 points OutlyingPlasma

    Apparently also Faye Reagan lives down there. She was classified as a missing person earlier this year but was found about a month later.

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    17 points NepenthiumPastille

    Wait, more than one actress lived specifically in the sewers? This is a two nickels situation.

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    15 points iolmao

    wait, now I'm curious.

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    32 points macellan

    https://youtu.be/7MkAs99O1LQ

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    8 points kanguhrus

    That video is fucking crazy omg

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    6 points Anning312

    Damn that's insane

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    11 points M4DM1ND

    Channel 5 on YT also has a documentary about it. Some crazy shit.

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    36 points roboticArrow

    Watch the movie As Above So Below. Horror movie. Fantastic. French catacombs.

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    8 points Toots_Magee_

    My favorite horror film

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    5 points IATMB

    https://youtu.be/bRGrKJofDaw

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    21 points TheCommonKoala

    Richest country on Earth btw

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    8 points 89141-zip-code

    Major drug problem.

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  • 2114 points PotatoeRick

    Did he drink that water!?

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    910 points BackgroundEngineer11

    I'm pretty sure that's a tube he pulled down to drink the water through.

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    353 points Ohioisapoopyflorida

    There's no way he didnt do that.

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    881 points catfood_man_333332

    Maybe he dropped it down there to blow bubbles like I used to do with my choccy milk.

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    155 points AManWithOneHand

    Used to as in yesterday? Because you don't have to stop having fun just because you got older. Blow those choccy milk bubbles

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    33 points Accomplished-Video71

    Bro I'm all about the inner child but the reality is, no adult is using a straw cuz I'll be damned if I have to wash TWO dishes

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    10 points BackgroundEngineer11

    7 seconds in the other end is in his mouth.

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    196 points Sunnytoaist

    lol top comment is some Redditor talking about their passing thoughts and I too am like..… “did he drink the water “

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    41 points RutabagaOutside6126

    I'm glad I'm not the only one who found that weird. Especially for reddit, everyone would normally jump on that detail first.

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    125 points Petunia_pig

    I was gagging thinking he did

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    36 points NocturneInfinitum

    I think it’s a natural freshwater stream. With a single lane bridge over it. If so, the water is probably relatively safe depending on how far away from the urban environment it is.

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    98 points Mysterious_Dot00

    Hell nah. What about animals shitting in it? Or dying in it?

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    45 points trailfiend

    Or there’s a guy upstream having a lazy pee in it.

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    13 points casuallygaslighting

    Aquafina Spicy 🌶️

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    26 points Unlucky_Situation

    No freshwater stream is safe to drink directly from.

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    15 points SwissMargiela

    Idk here in Switzerland we have a ton of fountains that are fed by fresh water glacier melts and they have signs that say safe to drink.

    I’m not sure if it’s actually safe but Switzerland is always on the ball with the safety/medical stuff so I trust them lol. I’ve personally never had an issue and have drank from them my whole life.

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    13 points Mysterious_Dot00

    Thats different.

    Fountains that has a sign thats says "safe to drink", those are regularly tested, and also probably goes through some kind of filtration, not always though.

    Random water streams like in the video, are not tested if they are safe to drink. Even if it seems clear, you have idea where it comes from.

    It can be the cleanest water but then you could walk like 5 km following the stream, and find some animal shitting in it or simply laying dead in it rotting.

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  • 942 points jpiro

    I thought for sure the dude was going to pull up a fish when he tossed that line in the water.

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    234 points Hrbalz

    Pretty sure that was his drinking straw lmao

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    91 points LilMeatJ40

    Fishing for brain eating amoeba

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    40 points Alval57

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    7 points SpaghettiSort

    Those are usually found in the muddy silt in still water like ponds, but don't despair, there's still plenty of stuff that can kill you in fast-moving drain pipe water.

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  • 640 points mikel302

    Waterfront property, conveniently close to fishing access. Asking 1.2 million.

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    44 points kansai2kansas

    Lol i wouldn’t even wanna be paid $1.2 million to live in such a place.

    Like if a billionaire offers me $1.2M but I have to live there for 3 months….no thanks, I’d rather not have to deal with dysentery + cholera + E coli on a daily basis

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    32 points strongspank

    He looks like he has a burner. For 1.2 million I can boil my drink water for 3 months.

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    5 points TheGreatKonaKing

    Frank Lloyd Wright-inspired

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  • 262 points druidhdancer

    Hepatitis A speed run

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    9 points flintybackpack

    Hepatitas. A speedrun. Should be the name of this movie.

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  • 142 points eventualrob

    Inspired by Frank Lloyd Wright.

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    78 points johnny_cash_money

    I saw this and my first thought was "Frank Lloyd Wrong."

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    13 points gravestompin

    House(less) on the water

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  • 488 points rmill127

    There is a LOT to unpack here…

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    566 points Ludate_Solem

    Nah seems like theyre already quite settled

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    35 points Just-pickone

    My mind goes to the whole water in, water out, cycle. Then I wonder if someone upstream is doing the same.

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  • 112 points trk29

    Yo he’s drinking the water!

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  • 189 points Weak_Abbreviations90

    This what the reality of Living In the Las Vegas tunnels are like… just recently learned there’s a whole underground system underneath the city of Las Vegas that’s full of homeless and people who aren’t identifiable by the government anymore.. it’s scary how many people live and die down there just below the streets people walk on

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    76 points Frogski

    Not that kind of sewer under LV they live in storm drains they are massive tunnels nothing like that one

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    61 points Initial_Zombie8248

    Storm Sewer not Sanitary Sewer lol. No human can live in a sanitary sewer because of the gases. There may or may not be deadly gases in a storm sewer. And you better not be in it when a storm comes. 

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    16 points Climbing12510

    Can confirm! Was an EMT in Vegas.

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    13 points farshnikord

    Jesus Christ we really are going straight into mad max huh 

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    15 points Dippa99

    Demolition Man. You are fined one credit for saying Jesus Christ like that, btw

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    13 points ModeatelyIndependant

    What is scary is how much wealth moves above their heads, while they live in a storm drain.

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  • 37 points Smil3z5

    Did ... did he just take a straw and drink from the water??? 😳😳😳

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    29 points inthemode01

    There’s a longer video. It’s on a pristine mountain stream, not a sewage pipe.

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    21 points vandergale

    You'd be surprised how many diaherria causing pathogens live in pristine streams regardless.

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    8 points inthemode01

    Yeah, not ideal.

    I live in a pretty pristine area and the streams are contaminated by heavy metals. In olden days they’d drive the gold miners to madness. Mercury and arsenic to be specific.

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  • 65 points VelvetFog82

    I though he was gonna catch a fish when he cast his line in the water.

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    69 points UnvoicedAztec

    Oh, he's gonna catch something...like giardia

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  • 58 points Arstanishe

    uhh the humidity..

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    25 points RPG_add1ct

    It’s 1000000%

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  • 23 points IcyManipulator69

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  • 37 points PM_AEROFOIL_PICS

    This must be fake. Someone resourceful enough to have battery powered lights would surely be able to access clean drinking water, rather than this straw system he’s got going on. Also why is he filming…?

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    24 points Climbing12510

    Looks exactly like an AI video

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    25 points dxmixrge

    It's a very short clip of a bizarre scenario with no source. Where is the camera even sitting? It's absolutely AI.

    Edit: His right hand looks bizarre for the first few seconds of the video

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    15 points rangerdanger559

    It’s real sadly. The original video is from 2020 before available public generative ai

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  • 14 points GettingBackToRC

    Dude just drank storm drain water. Holey crap

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  • 55 points Infamous_Lech

    Future victim. If they think that permanent, they are dead

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  • 10 points SookHe

    Los Vegas apartment, cozy one room with plenty of space to stretch out $4000 pm. Water utilities included.

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  • 9 points Fin-Park

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MkAs99O1LQ

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  • 12 points FenderBender3000

    Just hope there won’t be any rain or flash floods in the area.

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  • 7 points macmadman

    For anyone that’s ever woken up in a tent at 2am in the morning, in the winter, with the desperate need to pee, may I present:

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  • 5 points FugginIpad

    When the rushing river sound on the noise maker isn’t cutting it 

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    8 points Immature_adult_guy

    When you trade tinnitus for tetanus.

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  • 5 points iamzeev

    In Feng Shui, water elements are highly discouraged in the bedroom because they represent powerful, active energy (yang) that can disrupt the restful atmosphere needed for sleep.

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  • 7 points Enclave_Remnant_Sank

    *you have died of dysentery"

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  • 10 points ZealousidealCow1137

    Ewwww! Brotha, ewwww!

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  • 5 points Wise_Use1012

    Well yes it’s flowing but I’d still recommend boiling it or better yet distilling it via boiling then drinking the reformed water that condenses from the steam.

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  • 5 points LadyWithAHarp

    That has to be really cold. An old-school pantry method is to build over a running stream. Cold running water pulls cold air along with it, creating a convection cooler. Bonus points for being underground where the ambient temperature is lower than above ground. No wonder they are bundled up.

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  • 3 points fatal-nuisance

    Giardia is one way to shed those extra pounds

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  • 4 points Summer_Odds

    What happens when a heavy downpour happens when he’s asleep

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  • 4 points Supafli690

    Is buddy living in a sewer?

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  • 4 points FrogsEatingSoup

    The first thing I thought of was the bugs bunny episode when he’s sleeping and his hole fills up and carries him away to the mad scientist.

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  • 3 points SOP_VB_Ct

    FAKE even if real

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  • 4 points poofandmook

    what in the brain eating amoeba

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