It's an overcorrection from the time before chapter 1 when the UT fandom connected literally everything ever to Gaster. This was annoying to a lot of people, so they went way too far in the other direction and completely and totally denied Gaster altogether.
This behavior is not unique to this fandom, but universal to the Internet. I have seen this happen over and over and over and over again. It's best to just accept this as a fact of life, ignore anyone displaying this behavior, and move on.
If there's one thing people love to do, it's to overcorrect in the other direction lol
Same thing happened with sans, people oversaturated him as an edgelord badass who is demigod level so now people treat him as a complete joke who was never that good (chapter 4 only added fuel to the fire).
I've always been annoyed by the whole "Sans is the weakest monster" take. No he isn't. He certainly isn't the strongest either, not even close, but he is still very very strong.
Monster kid has negative defence, Sans doesn’t. Monster kid is the weakest monster.
Or, if stats only seen in the files don’t count, then Sans cannot have only 1 HP as we see fake attacks do at least 1 damage, and alarm clock dialogue confirms Undyne has hurled a snowball at him before and he didn’t die.
Fractional damage is possible in the Asriel fight too, although admittedly that feels like a special circumstance of some sort when even a Fake Hit on Undyne does a whole 1 damage.
It's reasonable to conclude that he's physically weak in terms of resilience, but his offense is nearly unparalleled and he dodges consistently enough that he only gets hit if he wants to.
Of course even then, by the time you reach him in a way that enables the two of you to fight, you've established yourself as basically god and any hit you land is hard enough to snuff out the sun. Datamining to find that he only has one HP as an extra measure to make sure he actually dies when he's supposed to only goes so far to prove anything.
I do think he's meant to have 1 hp canonically, he has 1 attack and 1 defense in his check text. The whole "joke" of him is that he's statistically atrocious but uses his incredible knowledge of the rules of the world to circumvent that by dodging so his HP is never tested and breaking the rules of engagement (bypassing i-frames, poisoning you, sending attacks when it isn't his turn, using his teleport mid attack) to kill you even though he can only deal 1 damage at a time.
His magic is definitely one of the strongest we meet in the game though, judging by the librarby book that seems to link bullet patterns to magical self expression.
I have this weird middle ground opinion. On the one hand, I cant exactly deny the merit of the theories, to the point where it may as well be almost soft canon. On the other hand, part of me doesnt want gaster anywhere near this story, or for this story to get swallowed by meta shit. I could somewhat accept it in Undertale as the meta stuff never basically made Undertale fake within its own history and context, but I really dont want Deltarune's in-world history to be overshadowed by more kooky meta stuff thats oh so clever. I dont want it to be Gaster's doing, I don't want the deltarune world to be his making, I just want it to be its own thing that we happen to be intruding on.
Technically in game Seam has no pronouns at all - the only time someone else refers to them the wording is very careful, something like "We asked Seam to come visit, but there was no interest" Cool to see official they/them. Where do I find this?
let's be real.......99.99% of people saw seam if they played chapter 1. it's not like he's hidden away.
kind of ranting but i think the idea of a "miss everything" run is kinda redundant. i dont think toby is catering the story to these marginal groups of people who don't interact with the story and just speedrun it. hell I even think the game even expects you to get at least some of the shadow crystals considering the way ERAM talks about you looking for them.
I feel like the dialogue in the Goner Maker is infinitely more effective as a smoking gun of Gaster's relevance. The Goner Maker voice literally has his theme song as its theme song.
I think the point is that certain people in the fanbase were willing to accept Gasters presence in the story, but not his overall importance. This line from him essentially confirms he is important to at the very least the metanarrative
I genuinely don't see what importance to the narrative this confirms. The Goner Maker sequence literally shows that he's the reason we are even playing this game.
Do you always have to be so scathing with your replies
Whatever, that’s besides the point. I see Gasters ‘MY DELTARUNE’ line as a final nail in the coffin. Yes, the goner-maker itself made it pretty obvious, but considering how many doubters there still were I feel as if this line was meant to confirm it to the people who still doubted Gaster’s relevance. Surprising as it may sound, there were people who thought that neither Gaster nor the goner-maker meant anything
80% of deltarune theories feel like people going "okay erm toby fox wouldnt make it THAT obvious, so whats actually going on is some random bullshit i made up"
like, the mystery isn't "oh, is this gaster?" or "oh, is the knight dess?" it's "WHY is this gaster" and "HOW did dess become the knight
Exacrly, why is Gaster working with the Knight and keeps trying to look friendly to us? Is it because the antichrist will try to deceive people into believing he is a good person? What exactly does he need with us? Is it the power he references if you lose to the Knight's final attack?
I do believe that gaster can probably influence deltarune’s reality in his own ways (possibilities include through friend or by calling people like spamton) but yeah I think it’s very different from just he’s chilling in the bunker and is part of the knight’s plot
genuinely you're so right the dess knight over-correction denial has become insane here. like i remember finishing the chapters and immediately being like wow so the knight is dess thats crazy. and then i checked online and everyone pretty much seemed to be in agreement. but now ppl are acting like rudy knight is somehow equally as valid like please be fr 😭
The environment around knight theories have shifted quite a bit since 3+4 released lol, of course the most popular one has remained dess knight, but back when 3+4 first release Carol knight was pretty popular and went up against dess knight, with Kris knight and others like Alvin knight being killed, third entity theory was a thing somehow (probably kris knight cope lol) and papyrus knight somehow was still in discussion. Fast forward to today and Carol knight is effectively dead, rudy knight shot up in popularity, papyrus knight is a huge meme, nobody talks about third entity except that one guy, and somehow asriel knight became more of a talking point too, as well as the knight not being a pre-established character at all.
I was never really that into Kris knight tbh, I saw it as a possibility and had some evidence (and notable counter evidence lol) but the majority of people's idea for it extended to just "Kris is Chara and is going to kill everyone" 2.0, and was only popular because of how little we knew back then, so of course people are going to latch on to the only instance we saw of someone opening a fountain and equate that to "knight."
I'll give kudos tho, Kris knight became like Oberon smog, in which everything but the main point of the theory became correct lol.
It shows an instance of Kris's voice pleading for us to stop the Snowgrave Route through the dialogue options when the Soul is completely disconnected from the body and sitting in the vents; meaning Kris's soul is indeed attempting to defy us.
The game has already gone so far to thoroughly establish that the dialogue options are diagetic thoughts from Kris, from the howling of "Nooooo" to them really not wanting to read Alphys's anime reviews, to "bangin sermon, my man", to the Snowgrave abort options consistently having a sense of personality to them and often seeming directed more at the player than the actual characters in question.
Heck, Noelle expressly says that the Kris in front of her didn't say anything when we choose "Please don't." Explicitly confirming that it is indeed the Soul talking.
Theories are only likely when they have evidence. And this theory has far more evidence than any of the widely believed fandom preconceptions.
It quite literally can't be though. We don't use our microphone to belt out commands to Noelle. The Fake Mike Gang even has microphone functionality established in canon and it has nothing to do with Snowgrave.
Probably something like Kris's mental idea of what the player's influence sounds like. We know it can't literally be the player's voice for reasons I just explained.
See the terrifying voice in Snowgrave is a weird aspect of the story because we don't actually use our voice at any point in the Snowgrave route. We can't use our microphone to belt out commands to Noelle, which is especially shown by Microphone functionality being a canon thing added solely to the Fake Mike gang fight.
Idk what exactly the hell is going on with that voice but the best I can guess is that when Kris starts to realize something is influencing them and forcing their intrusive thoughts into being, our existing amplification of their voice distorts into something inhuman.
the voice represents us commanding noelle, simple as that. Noelle says its a voice unlike kris, and it speaks even when kris is downed, and we speak using the soul.
Due to the kris downed thing, it means we aren't speaking through them exactly.
The voice thing also happens once we get into kris while we see the game happening and continuing
I must admit, I am not a complete Dess Knight denier, but I still have a reasonable level of doubt to believe there is a chance she isn't. I don't want to be fully 100% set on believing something that isn't outright confirmed, due to the unpredictable nature of this game. I remember absolutely hating all of those Kris Knighters because of how damn insufferable they were and couldn't take the fact that Kris simply couldn't. So seeing the same amount of Dess Knight people downright denying all other Knight theories makes it feel the same annoying situation. Im not saying Dess Knight isnt true, hell I sure as hell believe its her, but we dont gotta pretend like other theories cannot be true either. A small edit Im adding is, all of those Kris Knighters basically said the same thing how all current facts and speculations point towards Kris Knight, and now its at Dess Knight. Who knows what points will change after chapter 5 or 6 comes out. Suddenly it could be Gerson knight who knows
The way I've come to understand Dess being the knight applies a lens of "it could absolutely be any of these other people and ultimately doesn't matter to that end of it, but it makes the most sense to be her from what's been set up."
The who of the knight is less important to me at this point than the how, and I have a pretty damn solid idea of the how.
Yuh and thats valid. I am the exact same way. Its just that I am also open for the Knight to be someone else before I'm disappointed that it's not dess
I'd be a little upset and waiting for a good explanation but as long as that explanation is given in due time and sufficient depth, and we know what the deal with Dess is if that's somehow unrelated, it's probably fine.
Like, even though my theory about the knight's nature stands on its own perfectly fine, it's built on the back of a lot of other Kris:Dess parallels I've picked up on.
yeah some dess knight theorists are really stubborn and act like the theory is canon.
I myself think it has the most evidence, but i respect other knight candidate theories. I do think its bad that the majority of them keep trying to push the sword bat thing though despite it being the weakest 'evidence'
I mean, I think people end up thinking way too much in terms of CRACKPOT CONSPIRACY!!! Like the Green Pippin, and they forget that it should make sense narratively too. Toby isn't some mastermind insane genius first, he's a guy with a dream(quite literally) and wants to make an amazing game, and the crackpot stuff comes second. Of course, a good conspiracy is always cool to watch, but I just think Dess Knight is the logical conclusion narrative-wise. Of couse, feel free to disagree, this is just my opinion, maybe Toby Fox will pull another trick up his sleeve.
yeah anyone else but dess being the knight just feels weird. Like the knight is clearly not a normal lightner so they cant be anyone else we've already seen
I've noticed that some people (teenagers) who don't like Dess knight genuinely get their feelings hurt when you tell them it's the only likely possibility and people are kinda expected to give a nice middle-ground bullshit answer to appease them
I think it's that a lot of people who discuss Deltarune or Undertale online forget that the vast majority of players are not spending their time scouring through source text and stray ARGs and other background lore related topics.
So when it seems "obvious", it's because all of those sources have figured out long before now that Dess is the most likely candidate for the Knight so it seems awkward to have to wait for the game to catch up. But most players who just play the game as is wouldn't even know much more about Dess except for her name until where we are in the story.
I'd much rather Toby stick to that than pull a Westworld S2 and rewrite a whole twist of the show just because Redditors guessed what was going to happen.
Third Entity theory, Human Dess theory, Neo Woody theory, Woody theory as a whole, Kris Knight, the majority of Oberon Smog(jaru only got the resurrection part right and even then), what else?
I sort of agree (even if I believe Dess is likely the knight I don't think it's 100% certain, people said that about Kris too), people focus on who is the knight too much like it's literally a normal person in a scooby doo villain costume, while it's obviously something weirder
What the hell does the line "My Deltarune" actually mean? The narrator is really talking about the concept of Deltarune like it's his Discord kitten /s
Could be an experiment, the game, the prophecy, or just simply saying that we will change fate, or perhaps all. Whatever it is, this line is clearly important
Entry 17 suggests the creation Gaster fell into could be a dark fountain as well. Compare Entry 17 to what Ralsei said in chapter 3 about if you remove the light that isn't there.
Photons are what light is made of by the way
Gaster, Entry 17
ENTRY NUMBER SEVENTEEN
DARK DARKER YET DARKER
THE DARKNESS KEEPS GROWING
THE SHADOWS CUTTING DEEPER
PHOTON READINGS NEGATIVE
THIS NEXT EXPERIMENT
SEEMS
VERY
VERY
INTERESTING
WHAT DO YOU TWO THINK
Ralsei in chapter 3:
"But what if it became even darker?
Darker than dark.
What if we could take away the light that wasn't there, until we reached another side?"
Photons are what light is, so photon readings negative is a fancy way of saying "What if we could take away the light that wasn't there, until we reached another side?"
I also dont believe Gaster exists in a void either. Instead, being shattered across time and space sounds more like Gaster became an unobserved Quantum Wave-Funtion.
In The Quantum Enigma by Bruce Rosenblum, and Fred Kuttner, they write
"The waviness in a region is the probability of finding the object in a particular place. We must be careful: the waviness is not the probability of the object being in a particular place. There is a crucial difference here: the object was not there before you found it there."
- Quantum Enigma by Bruce Rosenblum, Fred Kuttner
Knowing that Sans has connections to Gaster, sans has a Quantum physics book within a Quantum physics book repeatedly. Sans knows of the time space continuum and even has a broken machine, I can strongly infer that Sans and Gaster were experimenting with Quantum Mechanics alongside dark worlds
I believe that Gaster in effect exist in as a uncollapsed Quantum Superposition. Gaster can observe both the universes of Undertale and Deltarune, but right now his focus is on the paralell universe of Deltarune, but he cannot interact with a universe on his own. So Gaster needs you to partner with him and go into a vessel to interact with the world of Deltarune.
I also believe Device_Friend may be something similar to Gaster, shattered across the space-time continuum, but more primordial than Gaster. Gaster became that way because he fell into his creation, but this being may have always been that way, and Device_Friend may be the second voice that stopped Gaster from connecting you to the vessel. The same with Eram too
I also believe that bringing a Dark World into being may be Quantum in nature too. A localized space-time, a pocket universe shaped around the will, determination, and observation of the one creating said Dark World. Think the Tardis in Doctor Who, it's basically a pocket universe. Thats why The Tardis is bigger on the inside, but looks like a mere 1960s police box on the outside.
I don’t disagree but the discussion about him being some secret boss you can fight or a character who takes the form of the mystery man sprite and starts talking to us is a bit ridiculous
Yeah I think there is currently more evidence for Gaster existing outside the container holding the light and dark worlds than there is evidence for him being a character like Spamton or Gerson with a sprite we can interact directly with.
That COULD change and he could be pulled into the game itself as a distinct entity, but it would require a hell of a gear shift in how he is presented which would need a very solid narrative justification to do well. I think it's just as if not more likely that he stays as a faceless abstract thing we can't comprehend or interfere with directly.
If mystery man is Gaster (I lean towards thinking he isn't, and that he's actually the egg man, but the door thing from the anniversary stream has converted me to conceding he could also possibly be Gaster) then his appearance in Undertale is interesting because it would suggest he does have the ability to materialise in game worlds. That would suggest it's at least possible for him to become a "character" character...although he isn't interactable in Undertale either and also almost never shows up, so I dunno!
how are any of those two options ridiculous, the secret bosses foreshadow him heavily("it pulls the strings and make them ring") and there's no counter evidence for mysteryman to be gaster other than the fact it's simply not confirmed
Are you just choosing to ignore Spamton's backstory as told by the Addisons says that when they picked up the phone it was just garbage noise? The same wording for what you hear when you use your cellphone in the Dark World? The same sound that plays during Entry Seventeen in Undertale? The same sound you can hear slowed down by the Shelter? The same Shelter ERAM shows up inside of in the Mantle game?
And how does the direct quote to Entry 17 when Seam talks about Jevil not also foreshadowing?
he most likely called spamton, gerson parallels him, eram hints at the shelter, seam says his world view grew "darker yet darker" when talking about jevil, and he talks to us during the knight fight.
also he controls everything through his device, which is what the save file menu is, hence how he "pulls the strings". Also pulling the strings because he most likely made the prophecy
Not sure how Gerson “parallels him” but it was most likely the Knight who called Spamton and made Jevil insane. Though I’m sure the knight has some obscure connection to Gaster. Everything else is a stretch theory. The Knight also “pulls the strings” in a way, it could be the player, it’s just too vague to say “That’s Gaster!”
Also there’s no evidence he made the prophecy, I think you made that one up.
Gerson says "some say it swallowed him up" with parallels with gaster falling in his own creation. and the fact they're both authors
The knight was mentioned separately from the strange someone with seam, and call made spamton want to reach "heaven" which the knight doesnt have any thing to do with
And for the prophecy
-it was foretold through time and space
-the prophecy panels have the same texture as the depths where we meet gaster
-"My deltarune"
-The fact gaster knows everything that will happen
-"The voice it was glowing"(organikk line)
-Deltarune website used to have part of the prophecy in Wingdings about banishing the angel's heaven which we know due to ralsei version of the prophecy
See this for me though nearly all seems like evidence that he doesn't exist in the game universe as a regular character who can be fought and interacted with, but has a status more similar to the player where he is outside the world holding the light and dark worlds, can only interact with it indirectly, but has probably more ability to influence it than if he was a regular character.
I think he is incredibly important and I do absolutely believe we will learn more about him, but I will also be very surprised if he gets to appear in the game as a regular character, it would be like trying to depict God.
I love gaster to death, one of my favorite video game characters of all time. that being said, I hope he doesn't appear as an actual character in the flesh
Honestly, I'm more interested in finding out what the voice wants to accomplish than whether the voice is G-boy or not.
Because let's not forget, unless you're deep into the weeds like us, a casual Undertale player only has a 4 out of 100 chance to potentially hear the name WD Gaster. And in Deltarune there's several more prominent mystery figures to deal with. (FRIEND, Forgotten Man, the Knight, etc...)
Him stepping out like "hello yes I am Wing Ding" would be as much of an empty twist as the "this character is actually Khan/Blofeld" from respectively Star Trek Into Darkness or Spectre. Most of the long-time fans already called it and in the actual story it doesn't really change anything.
I think everyone agrees the voice is important; but until the game namedrops Gaster theres always going to be doubt that thats him. It has to be remembered that the majority of people playing didn't see Twitter threads or secrets in the code or whatever, to the average person deltarune is presently a video game narrative not some 5th wall breaking meta meta arg about an secret from undertale. The voice only just revealed itself for the first time now, and theres still no visible connection it has to the actual in game world.
tbh I feel like even if the narrator isn't literally W. D. "Mystery Man" Gaster, the evidence you've said means that whoever the narrator is is so Gaster coded that they might as well be the Deltarune equivalent of Gaster the same way the Toriels are the same person yet also different people, like, by default, even if they're revealed to have a different name and (if we see them) surprising appearance. A lot of people point out that a huge shocking Gaster twist wouldn't make sense to a casual player who hasn't been immersed in theory and lore so I personally expect that they'll be Gaster coded but never truly Gaster.
I think that Gaster will not be important, but not too unimportant either.
He definetly has a big influence in the whole game, but he's never going to directly appear in the main story to not confuse casual players that don't know the whole lore
The only things that are directly about Gaster in Undertale are the fun values that have a very small probability to appear. So unless you have searched in the internet you are not going to know anything about him.
For me if he directly appears in the story would spoil what made him interesting in the first place, being the ultimate easter egg
forgotten man is an easter egg. The voice who's the whole reason the game starts is not an easter egg. Gaster in undertale was just a teaser for deltarune, he's not an easter egg for no reason
I can see what you mean. For me I prefer that Gaster stays as a ambiguous force in deltarune because I imagine him as still shattered across time and space. To me there's already a malicious entity that has been showing up in secret through the game and that's friend.
There's one video that tells a theory about how could Gaster have importance in the story without actually showing up that I like very much
TO BE CLEAR, before reading the rest of this comment PLEASE keep in mind that I believe the goner maker guy being gaster is by far the strongest theory regarding their identity, but just hear me out
The only reason I don't feel comfortable saying that it's 100% for sure gaster is because we don't have a particularly solid foundation of who gaster is. Yes, I know about the snippets we get about him across undertale, but those are really limited 2nd-hand (at best) accounts and imo that doesn't lead to a very solid understanding of what he is like as a character. Compare him to any of the main cast of UT or even some of the more significant side characters, who have a lot of scenes and dialogue that give us a more direct understanding of their mannerisms and motivations and hopefully you see what I mean.
I also think that at this point, with half the game out, we have enough material on the goner maker guy to make solid interpretations of their character and motivations independent of who they are exactly. Putting a name to a face is satisfying, sure, but I think we should be more concerned about what they're trying to accomplish and why.
That being said, if deltarune ever does go and outright say that it's gaster, I would not be particulary surprised. I think what evidence is there is decent and leads to a perfectly acceptable interpretation of gaster as the goner maker guy. I just don't think it's a foregone conclusion, and maybe not even necessarily an important conclusion at this point
There’s no reason to doubt that this is gaster other than the fact it’s not confirmed. Throughout all the names that have special effects in the intro, the voice says you’ll meet them soon or something like that, gaster name is the one that resets it. Through that logic if it wasn’t gaster and we end up typing his name, he would have said something like “Hey that’s my name”
My bad, you're totally right. Its 100% gaster. There is no need for nuance or discussion when typing his name resets the game. Frankly it was my fault for not considering such perfect, bulletproof evidence. What a fool I have been...
I always see people saying "uh, Gaster can't be important to Deltarune, most Deltarune players won't know about the hidden obscure things about him from Undertale" and that always struck me as a weird argument because... there are a lot of characters that are important to Deltarune that new players won't already know about. All the new ones. This being Gaster doesn't even need to be a twist because this character already matters, Toby can just have him go "I SUPPOSE I SHOULD INTRODUCE MYSELF. MY NAME IS DOCTOR GASTER" and all the new players will go "Oh cool that's this guy's name" while all us secret knowers pog at the screen.
Ultimately it's an Occam's Razor thing. I know Deltarune players are like, allergic to "the obvious thing" being true (cough Knight theories cough) but sincerely what would the narrative purpose be of this mysterious character associated with "goners" who exists "outside the game" on some level, who speaks with Gaster's exact speech patterns, not being Gaster? Do people think this exactly Gaster-shaped character in the game where like 30% of the cast is alternate universe versions of Undertale characters is going to just be some completely unrelated new character and the Gaster stuff was just a coincidence? Do people think this is Tony Fox, Who Hadn't Thought Of Any Of That?
Why is this conversation still being had like genuinely? Those who believe he’s important, believe so. Those who don’t, are allowed to not believe so, even if there is an overwhelming amount of evidence for Gasters relation to the plot. I feel like I see this post every month and it’s always just the same shit. Person makes post saying “how do Gaster deniers exist” Gaster deniers explain why they don’t think he’s too important, people throw evidence at them that they probably know already and no one’s mind is changed. We need to let this go bro
I'm 99% sure Gaster's mystery will be revealed (if ever) in egg rooms, low chance random events, or game data, but not in the main game. This far, any actually important villain would have been foreshadowed in the main or weird routes.
Imagine someone playing Undertale and Deltarune without even being aware of all the meta around entry 17. Then suddenly, the final boss is someone they weren't even aware was in the game. This would be just bad storytelling.
My money is on Mike / tail of hell as the main antagonist, the Knight as a victim / misunderstood antihero, and Gaster being left as a lingering mystery for years of Internet debates to come. Two Gasters theory also works, at least there's a "man behind the tree", so we'll get to see his payoff.
Yeah I'm not arguing that he's unimportant, rather that he's always been a hidden entity, and I believe he will remain hidden. I just personally don't think we will ever see/fight him as many theorists suggest.
Is the person saying this line likely Gaster? Yeah probably. But do we KNOW that? No, we do not. Nothing is confirmed in these games until it's actually confirmed.
Just like Dark Worlds themselves. Yes, we have consistent references to Entry 17 within multiple chapters of Deltarune. But all that means so far is that Gaster was observing / doing experiments on this phenomenon, not that he has anything to do with their existence or opening them up.
For all we know so far, Gaster will have no relevance to the plot even though he may have all the relevance in how WE interact with the game. In other words, he could be almost completely inconsequential to the plot of Deltarune while being incalculably important to the meta-plot of Deltarune.
Is the person saying this line likely Gaster? Yeah probably. But do we KNOW that? No, we do not. Nothing is confirmed in these games until it's actually confirmed.
I would usually agree with this take (for example with Dess Knight), but at this point there's no conceivable way it isn't him. I mean, Gaster's theme is literally in ANOTHER HIM, and who the fuck else could the Entry 17 voice be ?
This is what I think. At most, Kris interacted with Gaster somehow to set up the SOUL connection and that’s it. Kris has no idea who Gaster actually is; as far as they know, they were praying to the Angel and Gaster answered instead.
All the Gaster importance theories forget that at the end of the day, the game has an entire plot line about Kris and Susie that very well can do without Gaster.
Gaster very much appears to have his hands on Deltarune to a greater degree than he did in Undertale. In Undertale, he is nothing more than a series of Easter eggs that the majority of players are going to miss and never discover. In Deltarune, it appears as though he is directly interacting with us/the soul. It appears that he has influenced other characters that we've encountered. Gaster definitely seems to be more prevalent in Deltarune.
But that doesn't mean he's important. That doesn't mean that he is actually going to appear in the game at all. The allure of Gaster in Undertale was the mystery behind him, and trying to put together a puzzle that there are very few pieces to, and no picture to see. All the edgy kids who played that game propped Gaster up on such a high pedestal, and Toby knows this. Toby knows why fans are into Gaster, even if the name Gaster doesn't actually exist in his vernacular.
We are halfway through this game, and there are only two instances of mandatory potential Gaster: the vessel creation at the start, and the text at the end of chapter 4. Apart from that, every single other time that it seems like Gaster is hanging around is entirely optional and missable. If you're a player that never heard any instances of the Gaster noise, you're not aware of the Gaster motif, you never encountered Gaster in Undertale/never played Undertale, you never tried to fight the Knight a second time, etc, etc, etc, the two times you do run into what seems to be Gaster have zero context. None. It's just a random mystery narrator that otherwise has had no impact on the game. So we're halfway through the game and this guy who is supposed to apparently be important hasn't really been established in a truly impactful and meaningful way. You get late game and suddenly this guy pops out who's like, "Hey kids! It's me! Doctor Wingdings Gaster! It was me the whole time!" and that just doesn't work because you're going to have a fairly significant portion of players who are going to have no idea what the fuck this is. It'll seem like this guy came from out of nowhere. Obviously for us who know better, that won't be the case, but that's still not good game design. From where we stand right now, no, Gaster ain't important. The guy is going to have to have more tangible, forward-facing influence from here on out if you want him to actually be important.
But more than that, again, Toby knows what Gaster means to his fans. And again, Gaster gained popularity and thrived off of his mysterious nature. A series of Easter eggs. An unsolvable puzzle. Toby's not about to put Gaster into Deltarune in a more tangible, forward-facing way because it completely goes against what makes him special. Actually having Gaster in the game beyond whatever ethereal bullshit he currently has going on would be awful. There's no way Toby could possibly pay off the pedestal that fans put Gaster on. Being important would ruin Gaster.
Gaster lore is not complicated, you’re saying this like gaster couldn’t be easily explained through lab entries. And his two mandatory appearances make it clear he’s important, he's building up to something special at the end of the game. think about author’s intent, it’s clear his mentions in undertale was buildup for deltarune as an important character
But what he's saying is that for the casual player, you still need to actually establish Gaster as a whole thing. Not everyone who plays Deltarune has played Undertale, and out of those who have less know about Gaster's existence, and out of those there' still a small portion that fully understand the character to the best of the fanbase's ability. Toby and the dev team would need to put SERIOUS work into establishing Gaster as a tangible thing in the next 2-3 chapters for any physical appearance to work.
Plus, as mentioned, Gaster works best as the bogeyman mystery character, that's his entire point. The character of the narrator can be inferred to be Gaster if you already know him from Undertale's sparse context, but him being Gaster specifically isn't actually important to Deltarune. Hell, he could be a guy named Steve as far as the rest of the game is concerned.
please read the post above, "my deltarune" makes it blatantly obvious gaster is important. And like I said earlier, gaster aint hard to explain, he can easily be explained through lab entries or just a lab in general
Even if explaining Gaster as a character is kinda easy, it'd be a bad move to build him up this late. If Toby wanted Gaster or anyone else besides the Knight that isn't a surprise twist of a pre-occuring character being the main antagonist, they would have foreshadowed them already.
Plus, where would it even be relevant to establish Gaster? His character worked in Undertale as he was the royal scientist before Alphys, but since Deltarune doesn't have an equivalent of that role he'd need something new. I just generally think trying to shoehorn him in as a physical presence now would be a very bad idea from a storytelling perspective.
I made a separate comment about it, but what the fuck does the line "my deltarune" even mean? It doesn't actually say anything about the narrator, potentially Gaster, even being important.
the intro, the secret bosses, chapter 4 in general, are all gaster buildup. You're acting like he comes out of nowhere, he's has a lot of buildup and foreshadowing. Namedropping the game and him saying he owns it, obviously makes him important in someway
The secret bosses and chapter 4 are not “Gaster buildup” in any way. None of them make any reference to him besides the ending of chapter 4 where he gets his magical 2 lines of dialogue. But lol you’re in denial man
the prophecy in general is gaster build up, since he made it. Gerson also parallel gaster. Seam seams his world view grew "darker yet darker" whn talking about jevil, the phone call spamton recieved was most like by gaster cause of garbage noise, eram hints to the shelter, and gaster talks to us during the knight fight
See, but this all requires immense amounts of background knowledge, which most players just don’t have access too. You can’t assume the average player knows and understands information hidden in the game files or 0.1% chance events from a completely different game. Most players don’t go back and try to fight the knight again, and most players have no idea what “darker yet darker” would imply. I agree these references exist, and nobody’s saying his role is nonexistent in the game. But to derive that all these secret Easter eggs will lead to a face-to-face encounter is totally unrealistic because the average player will be completely lost. Toby Fox is a good writer, we all know this, so we can trust he won’t mess up like that.
the average player is simply gonna get an explanation of who made the prophecy and what happened to spamton and jevil with gaster's appearance. Why would that not ever be adressed? why wouldnt a causal player want an explanation on that?
Lab entries aren't meaningful. That's pretty much the same thing as the fun value goners from Undertale, but with fewer steps, and it's less impactful. Trying to push some sort of great significance onto Gaster all because he said "My Deltarune" would require more than something that's cheap and easy. For all we know, "My Deltarune" is some metanarrative nonsense and Gaster is viewing the world more from our perspective. It's my playthrough of Deltarune that I'm playing, so wouldn't that make it my Deltarune? See how easy it is to remove significance from that line of dialogue? Not that I'm actually saying it has no significance. That's definitely the kind of line that'll have some kind of payoff, but I doubt it'll be nearly as important as you'd like.
Okay but you're not saying it, a character in-game is saying it, giving it extreme value, meaning he owns the world or something adjacent, he's literally building up to the end of the game. This proves that the voice is some kind of creator. Like how would namedropping the game like that and saying he owns it , not make him important? He's already important because he's the reason we're here in the first place. And again, it makes no sense to the mysterious voice who connected us to not be explained at all in a causal run. Not to mention Lab entries to gaster specifically, are important because of entry 17, which is quoted multiple times throughout the game
Yeah the Organikks say a bunch of insane shit with even crazier lore implications in the latter half of Chapter 4, and it drives me crazy that barely anyone is talking about them lol
The discussion still exists because, according to some people, "Wouldn't it be so funny and such a Toby thing to do if Gaster was completely irrelevant?"
While I think Gaster will be important to this game due to the constant references to entry #17, how does the quote you posted seriously allude to Gaster? There are other quotes in this game that do so better I feel.
The biggest argument against Gaster being important is that requiring players to be familiar with lore so obscure it requires delving into the code/ watching a YouTube video to fully understand is bad storytelling.
You will never hear the name “Gaster” in any of Deltarune’s endings. All caps 666 guy from the intro will obviously show up at some point. He’ll have a different name and it will be widely accepted in the fanbase that he’s Gaster, but we’ll never get full confirmation.
There is also a prevailing theory that Player isn't the SOUL *cough\* Jaru *cough\*
(No hate to the man btw, his videos are super entertaining, it's just that this "anti-theory" approach is fundamentally flawed and can sometimes lead to widespread annoyances like "Dess being the Knight is too obvious", "The Voice isn't Gaster", "Asriel isn't actually in college", etc)
Ironically, I am one of the Player deniers, but that stems from my views that "there is no outright fourth wall breaks in Undertale/Deltarune" and "Chara is a self-insert character in Undertale".
I'm an open-minded individual though and maybe Toby will make it work for me. I just always saw his 4th wall breaking (or 4th wall leaning) having more subtlety than that.
We shouldn't completely dismiss anti-theories though. They're a great tool at poking holes in theories and putting them to the test, but you can't just build a theory purely on debunking other theory.
Well, I honestly believe that he will be very important to the story, but not in an over-the-top way, more so just that he will be more obvious over the time. I think the focus should still be on the Fun Gang and the darkners, and Gaster will be an onlooker who may or may not step in after ch.5 to do some shenanigans with FRIEND or ERAM, and his importance is more so in a lore-wise and narrative perspective than a gameplay perspective. Also the final boss is THE ANGEL calling it right here and now.
It should have never happened to begin with. He gave us the link to the chapter 1 demo directly on twitter after acknowledging we've been looking for him.
I will continue to call Gaster a non-character until he actually walks onto the screen, with a sprite, and introduces himself. No bugs or modding nessecary, and IN-GAME, not in some twitter ARG.
Vagueposting and narrating the character select menu are not "Being an important character". You might as well say Kris's biological parents are actually the most important chacters, because without them the game couldn't happen.
Gaster isn’t going to be on screen. That completely invalidates the point of him. He’s probably not going to talk to any of the characters, he’s probably not going to be the final boss or anything like that. He is an observer who exists outside the bounds of SURVEY_PROGRAM. He speaks to us, he helps us, he only interacts with us, and we’ve already gotten quite a bit of implications for his future characterization
It's an overcorrection from the time before chapter 1 when the UT fandom connected literally everything ever to Gaster. This was annoying to a lot of people, so they went way too far in the other direction and completely and totally denied Gaster altogether.
This behavior is not unique to this fandom, but universal to the Internet. I have seen this happen over and over and over and over again. It's best to just accept this as a fact of life, ignore anyone displaying this behavior, and move on.
If there's one thing people love to do, it's to overcorrect in the other direction lol
Same thing happened with sans, people oversaturated him as an edgelord badass who is demigod level so now people treat him as a complete joke who was never that good (chapter 4 only added fuel to the fire).
I've always been annoyed by the whole "Sans is the weakest monster" take. No he isn't. He certainly isn't the strongest either, not even close, but he is still very very strong.
He IS the weajest monster, he's just the only one who cheats while fighting.
Monster kid has negative defence, Sans doesn’t. Monster kid is the weakest monster.
Or, if stats only seen in the files don’t count, then Sans cannot have only 1 HP as we see fake attacks do at least 1 damage, and alarm clock dialogue confirms Undyne has hurled a snowball at him before and he didn’t die.
The snowball did 0.1 dmg obviously
Fractional damage is possible in the Asriel fight too, although admittedly that feels like a special circumstance of some sort when even a Fake Hit on Undyne does a whole 1 damage.
I was being sarcastic but okay
Want the canonical weakest? Ice.
It's reasonable to conclude that he's physically weak in terms of resilience, but his offense is nearly unparalleled and he dodges consistently enough that he only gets hit if he wants to.
Of course even then, by the time you reach him in a way that enables the two of you to fight, you've established yourself as basically god and any hit you land is hard enough to snuff out the sun. Datamining to find that he only has one HP as an extra measure to make sure he actually dies when he's supposed to only goes so far to prove anything.
I do think he's meant to have 1 hp canonically, he has 1 attack and 1 defense in his check text. The whole "joke" of him is that he's statistically atrocious but uses his incredible knowledge of the rules of the world to circumvent that by dodging so his HP is never tested and breaking the rules of engagement (bypassing i-frames, poisoning you, sending attacks when it isn't his turn, using his teleport mid attack) to kill you even though he can only deal 1 damage at a time.
His magic is definitely one of the strongest we meet in the game though, judging by the librarby book that seems to link bullet patterns to magical self expression.
Stat wise he IS the weakest monster, but he's just good at working with what he has
imo i think hes usually weak, but hes the perfect counter towards someone like geno frisk
Well, not exactly perfect
fair, fair.
I just think sans' methods of cheating made him the ULTIMITE counter towards geno frisk
yeah, noticed this in other places too
when the fandoms make everything about 1 guy, often with mischaracterization of the one guy, things get very annoying super quick
when people are annoyed by something, rather than confront it and understand it, they tend to reject it
Gaster deniers when they hear Gasta Claus falling down the chimney: must have been the wind
Gasta Claus winging down the dingmney
I'm gonna be real, but basically everything IS connected back to Gaster lol. At least if you look for long enough
You people are insufferable.
I've spent such a long time studying this game I promise I know what I'm talking about
That's not very nice 😢
I have this weird middle ground opinion. On the one hand, I cant exactly deny the merit of the theories, to the point where it may as well be almost soft canon. On the other hand, part of me doesnt want gaster anywhere near this story, or for this story to get swallowed by meta shit. I could somewhat accept it in Undertale as the meta stuff never basically made Undertale fake within its own history and context, but I really dont want Deltarune's in-world history to be overshadowed by more kooky meta stuff thats oh so clever. I dont want it to be Gaster's doing, I don't want the deltarune world to be his making, I just want it to be its own thing that we happen to be intruding on.
It should have died when Seam quoted entry 17
Seam’s missable. Doesn’t mean they’re not important but some people might not know they say that.
Ralsei in Chapter 3 on the other hand…
Ch4 choir also quotes entry 17
Ralsei in chapter 3 seemed to put things in the other direction: Gaster was researching whatever made dark worlds
I really don't wanna be that guy but Seam uses they/them
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sorryyyyy i forgot :(((
It's alright!!! :)
Technically in game Seam has no pronouns at all - the only time someone else refers to them the wording is very careful, something like "We asked Seam to come visit, but there was no interest" Cool to see official they/them. Where do I find this?
UT/DR Holiday Newsletter 2024
Im sorry but how should a guy who has only played the game know this? Like their pronouns are never said in game
People get it backwards. Entry 17 is referencing deltarune, not the other way around.
let's be real.......99.99% of people saw seam if they played chapter 1. it's not like he's hidden away.
kind of ranting but i think the idea of a "miss everything" run is kinda redundant. i dont think toby is catering the story to these marginal groups of people who don't interact with the story and just speedrun it. hell I even think the game even expects you to get at least some of the shadow crystals considering the way ERAM talks about you looking for them.
It should’ve ended when Deltarune literally first dropped after a Gaster ARG on twitter
They did what-
When they're talking about Jevil in chapter one they that after locking him away their worldview grew "darker, yet darker"
Ahhh. Subtle. But there.
Not to mention he looks stupidly similar to gaster
I feel like the dialogue in the Goner Maker is infinitely more effective as a smoking gun of Gaster's relevance. The Goner Maker voice literally has his theme song as its theme song.
I think the point is that certain people in the fanbase were willing to accept Gasters presence in the story, but not his overall importance. This line from him essentially confirms he is important to at the very least the metanarrative
I genuinely don't see what importance to the narrative this confirms. The Goner Maker sequence literally shows that he's the reason we are even playing this game.
Do you always have to be so scathing with your replies
Whatever, that’s besides the point. I see Gasters ‘MY DELTARUNE’ line as a final nail in the coffin. Yes, the goner-maker itself made it pretty obvious, but considering how many doubters there still were I feel as if this line was meant to confirm it to the people who still doubted Gaster’s relevance. Surprising as it may sound, there were people who thought that neither Gaster nor the goner-maker meant anything
Should have ceased as soon as he took over Toby Fox’s twitter account
80% of deltarune theories feel like people going "okay erm toby fox wouldnt make it THAT obvious, so whats actually going on is some random bullshit i made up"
like, the mystery isn't "oh, is this gaster?" or "oh, is the knight dess?" it's "WHY is this gaster" and "HOW did dess become the knight
Yeah, the why and how is way more interesting than the “what”
Exacrly, why is Gaster working with the Knight and keeps trying to look friendly to us? Is it because the antichrist will try to deceive people into believing he is a good person? What exactly does he need with us? Is it the power he references if you lose to the Knight's final attack?
I'm not sure that's what is happening. The person talking to us is an entity outside the continuity of the Deltarune story.
I do believe that gaster can probably influence deltarune’s reality in his own ways (possibilities include through friend or by calling people like spamton) but yeah I think it’s very different from just he’s chilling in the bunker and is part of the knight’s plot
But also much harder to theorize at this moment
genuinely you're so right the dess knight over-correction denial has become insane here. like i remember finishing the chapters and immediately being like wow so the knight is dess thats crazy. and then i checked online and everyone pretty much seemed to be in agreement. but now ppl are acting like rudy knight is somehow equally as valid like please be fr 😭
The environment around knight theories have shifted quite a bit since 3+4 released lol, of course the most popular one has remained dess knight, but back when 3+4 first release Carol knight was pretty popular and went up against dess knight, with Kris knight and others like Alvin knight being killed, third entity theory was a thing somehow (probably kris knight cope lol) and papyrus knight somehow was still in discussion. Fast forward to today and Carol knight is effectively dead, rudy knight shot up in popularity, papyrus knight is a huge meme, nobody talks about third entity except that one guy, and somehow asriel knight became more of a talking point too, as well as the knight not being a pre-established character at all.
Rudy Knight isn't helped by the fact that the hospital is inaccessible whenever the Knight is supposed to be hiding in the closet or somewhere else...
funnily enough the guy does talk about the third entity theory as kris knight cope.
I was never really that into Kris knight tbh, I saw it as a possibility and had some evidence (and notable counter evidence lol) but the majority of people's idea for it extended to just "Kris is Chara and is going to kill everyone" 2.0, and was only popular because of how little we knew back then, so of course people are going to latch on to the only instance we saw of someone opening a fountain and equate that to "knight."
I'll give kudos tho, Kris knight became like Oberon smog, in which everything but the main point of the theory became correct lol.
I mean, the oberon smog thing was about gerson being revived.
What deltarune did was close enough, being a darkner patterned after the knights memories of him
It was about Gerson being revived and being the Knight.
yeah.
The first one didn't exactly happen though lol
i myself wasn't into kris knight either lol
Woah, woah, woah.
Kris Knight is NOT cope.
I wasn't even present for prior arguments and theories for it to be cope.
It's still Kris Knight 2025 over here.
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oh hey, you're the third entity and kris knight theorist, right?
Well, i know my words will have no effect on you, as others tried the same.
I would wanna shed light though that in the snowgrave route, when kris is downed, noelle still hears the voice.
Pretty obvious it's our voice.
exactly.
The person i was responding to beleives we control kris' soul and that it also tries defying us too, despite it not being the case.
They think that the soul being inside kris is what determines if its kris, despite the only entities being kris and us, and nobody else
You're speaking awfully confident to be talking about something provably debunked.
what does that video have to do with anything?
Its just the perspective of the game making you go back in the vents so you can't get to kris if you don't do more henious acts.
I'd respect you and your theories, but you keep saying your theories are far more likely, despite it... not bein the case.
It shows an instance of Kris's voice pleading for us to stop the Snowgrave Route through the dialogue options when the Soul is completely disconnected from the body and sitting in the vents; meaning Kris's soul is indeed attempting to defy us.
The game has already gone so far to thoroughly establish that the dialogue options are diagetic thoughts from Kris, from the howling of "Nooooo" to them really not wanting to read Alphys's anime reviews, to "bangin sermon, my man", to the Snowgrave abort options consistently having a sense of personality to them and often seeming directed more at the player than the actual characters in question.
Heck, Noelle expressly says that the Kris in front of her didn't say anything when we choose "Please don't." Explicitly confirming that it is indeed the Soul talking.
Theories are only likely when they have evidence. And this theory has far more evidence than any of the widely believed fandom preconceptions.
It quite literally can't be though. We don't use our microphone to belt out commands to Noelle. The Fake Mike Gang even has microphone functionality established in canon and it has nothing to do with Snowgrave.
Who orders Noelle to use snowgrave.
Us, but it would have to be using some other kind of voice, maybe Kris's mental idea of what the our influence sounds like. The voice in their head.
noelle says the voice sounds like a speaker and unlike kris. The voice also occurs if kris is unconcious
whos the one ordering noelle to use snowgrave even when kris is downed?
Probably something like Kris's mental idea of what the player's influence sounds like. We know it can't literally be the player's voice for reasons I just explained.
We know it can't be kris because the voice happens even if kris is downed, and because noelle says the voice sounds like a speaker.
The DIALOGUE choices could be mental ideas, but what we choose is us
See the terrifying voice in Snowgrave is a weird aspect of the story because we don't actually use our voice at any point in the Snowgrave route. We can't use our microphone to belt out commands to Noelle, which is especially shown by Microphone functionality being a canon thing added solely to the Fake Mike gang fight.
Idk what exactly the hell is going on with that voice but the best I can guess is that when Kris starts to realize something is influencing them and forcing their intrusive thoughts into being, our existing amplification of their voice distorts into something inhuman.
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the voice represents us commanding noelle, simple as that. Noelle says its a voice unlike kris, and it speaks even when kris is downed, and we speak using the soul.
Due to the kris downed thing, it means we aren't speaking through them exactly.
The voice thing also happens once we get into kris while we see the game happening and continuing
I must admit, I am not a complete Dess Knight denier, but I still have a reasonable level of doubt to believe there is a chance she isn't. I don't want to be fully 100% set on believing something that isn't outright confirmed, due to the unpredictable nature of this game. I remember absolutely hating all of those Kris Knighters because of how damn insufferable they were and couldn't take the fact that Kris simply couldn't. So seeing the same amount of Dess Knight people downright denying all other Knight theories makes it feel the same annoying situation. Im not saying Dess Knight isnt true, hell I sure as hell believe its her, but we dont gotta pretend like other theories cannot be true either. A small edit Im adding is, all of those Kris Knighters basically said the same thing how all current facts and speculations point towards Kris Knight, and now its at Dess Knight. Who knows what points will change after chapter 5 or 6 comes out. Suddenly it could be Gerson knight who knows
The way I've come to understand Dess being the knight applies a lens of "it could absolutely be any of these other people and ultimately doesn't matter to that end of it, but it makes the most sense to be her from what's been set up."
The who of the knight is less important to me at this point than the how, and I have a pretty damn solid idea of the how.
Yuh and thats valid. I am the exact same way. Its just that I am also open for the Knight to be someone else before I'm disappointed that it's not dess
I'd be a little upset and waiting for a good explanation but as long as that explanation is given in due time and sufficient depth, and we know what the deal with Dess is if that's somehow unrelated, it's probably fine.
Like, even though my theory about the knight's nature stands on its own perfectly fine, it's built on the back of a lot of other Kris:Dess parallels I've picked up on.
yeah some dess knight theorists are really stubborn and act like the theory is canon.
I myself think it has the most evidence, but i respect other knight candidate theories. I do think its bad that the majority of them keep trying to push the sword bat thing though despite it being the weakest 'evidence'
Well obviously they're wrong about Dess Knight, AND Rudy Knight.
Everyone knows the Knight is actually METTATON, BABY, ALWAYS BET ON METTATON KNIGHT, BABY, LETS GO-
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I mean, I think people end up thinking way too much in terms of CRACKPOT CONSPIRACY!!! Like the Green Pippin, and they forget that it should make sense narratively too. Toby isn't some mastermind insane genius first, he's a guy with a dream(quite literally) and wants to make an amazing game, and the crackpot stuff comes second. Of course, a good conspiracy is always cool to watch, but I just think Dess Knight is the logical conclusion narrative-wise. Of couse, feel free to disagree, this is just my opinion, maybe Toby Fox will pull another trick up his sleeve.
But to be completely honest I mainly like Dess knight for the endless piles of fanart
yeah anyone else but dess being the knight just feels weird. Like the knight is clearly not a normal lightner so they cant be anyone else we've already seen
I've noticed that some people (teenagers) who don't like Dess knight genuinely get their feelings hurt when you tell them it's the only likely possibility and people are kinda expected to give a nice middle-ground bullshit answer to appease them
I think it's that a lot of people who discuss Deltarune or Undertale online forget that the vast majority of players are not spending their time scouring through source text and stray ARGs and other background lore related topics.
So when it seems "obvious", it's because all of those sources have figured out long before now that Dess is the most likely candidate for the Knight so it seems awkward to have to wait for the game to catch up. But most players who just play the game as is wouldn't even know much more about Dess except for her name until where we are in the story.
I'd much rather Toby stick to that than pull a Westworld S2 and rewrite a whole twist of the show just because Redditors guessed what was going to happen.
Third Entity theory, Human Dess theory, Neo Woody theory, Woody theory as a whole, Kris Knight, the majority of Oberon Smog(jaru only got the resurrection part right and even then), what else?
I sort of agree (even if I believe Dess is likely the knight I don't think it's 100% certain, people said that about Kris too), people focus on who is the knight too much like it's literally a normal person in a scooby doo villain costume, while it's obviously something weirder
What the hell does the line "My Deltarune" actually mean? The narrator is really talking about the concept of Deltarune like it's his Discord kitten /s
Could be an experiment, the game, the prophecy, or just simply saying that we will change fate, or perhaps all. Whatever it is, this line is clearly important
Something like his own ending envisioned for the story. Which is breaking the prophecy to your actions.
The Legend/Story of Deltarune is the world ending.
His Deltarune is an end to the story the prevents that. a.k.a what we're trying to achieve.
Now you may be asking. Why the hell does The Knight have gaster hands then?
...I have no idea😀
Entry 17 suggests the creation Gaster fell into could be a dark fountain as well. Compare Entry 17 to what Ralsei said in chapter 3 about if you remove the light that isn't there.
Photons are what light is made of by the way
Gaster, Entry 17
Ralsei in chapter 3:
Photons are what light is, so photon readings negative is a fancy way of saying "What if we could take away the light that wasn't there, until we reached another side?"
I also dont believe Gaster exists in a void either. Instead, being shattered across time and space sounds more like Gaster became an unobserved Quantum Wave-Funtion.
In The Quantum Enigma by Bruce Rosenblum, and Fred Kuttner, they write
Knowing that Sans has connections to Gaster, sans has a Quantum physics book within a Quantum physics book repeatedly. Sans knows of the time space continuum and even has a broken machine, I can strongly infer that Sans and Gaster were experimenting with Quantum Mechanics alongside dark worlds
I believe that Gaster in effect exist in as a uncollapsed Quantum Superposition. Gaster can observe both the universes of Undertale and Deltarune, but right now his focus is on the paralell universe of Deltarune, but he cannot interact with a universe on his own. So Gaster needs you to partner with him and go into a vessel to interact with the world of Deltarune.
I also believe Device_Friend may be something similar to Gaster, shattered across the space-time continuum, but more primordial than Gaster. Gaster became that way because he fell into his creation, but this being may have always been that way, and Device_Friend may be the second voice that stopped Gaster from connecting you to the vessel. The same with Eram too
I also believe that bringing a Dark World into being may be Quantum in nature too. A localized space-time, a pocket universe shaped around the will, determination, and observation of the one creating said Dark World. Think the Tardis in Doctor Who, it's basically a pocket universe. Thats why The Tardis is bigger on the inside, but looks like a mere 1960s police box on the outside.
this is the most scientifically nuanced theory I've seen, bravo!
There exists a power within this world called "LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU", wielded by those unsatisfied by reality
I don’t disagree but the discussion about him being some secret boss you can fight or a character who takes the form of the mystery man sprite and starts talking to us is a bit ridiculous
Yeah I think there is currently more evidence for Gaster existing outside the container holding the light and dark worlds than there is evidence for him being a character like Spamton or Gerson with a sprite we can interact directly with.
That COULD change and he could be pulled into the game itself as a distinct entity, but it would require a hell of a gear shift in how he is presented which would need a very solid narrative justification to do well. I think it's just as if not more likely that he stays as a faceless abstract thing we can't comprehend or interfere with directly.
If mystery man is Gaster (I lean towards thinking he isn't, and that he's actually the egg man, but the door thing from the anniversary stream has converted me to conceding he could also possibly be Gaster) then his appearance in Undertale is interesting because it would suggest he does have the ability to materialise in game worlds. That would suggest it's at least possible for him to become a "character" character...although he isn't interactable in Undertale either and also almost never shows up, so I dunno!
how are any of those two options ridiculous, the secret bosses foreshadow him heavily("it pulls the strings and make them ring") and there's no counter evidence for mysteryman to be gaster other than the fact it's simply not confirmed
The secret bosses do not foreshadow Gaster even remotely. What does that line even mean in that context? Wing Gaster famously makes the string ring.
Are you just choosing to ignore Spamton's backstory as told by the Addisons says that when they picked up the phone it was just garbage noise? The same wording for what you hear when you use your cellphone in the Dark World? The same sound that plays during Entry Seventeen in Undertale? The same sound you can hear slowed down by the Shelter? The same Shelter ERAM shows up inside of in the Mantle game?
And how does the direct quote to Entry 17 when Seam talks about Jevil not also foreshadowing?
he most likely called spamton, gerson parallels him, eram hints at the shelter, seam says his world view grew "darker yet darker" when talking about jevil, and he talks to us during the knight fight.
also he controls everything through his device, which is what the save file menu is, hence how he "pulls the strings". Also pulling the strings because he most likely made the prophecy
Not sure how Gerson “parallels him” but it was most likely the Knight who called Spamton and made Jevil insane. Though I’m sure the knight has some obscure connection to Gaster. Everything else is a stretch theory. The Knight also “pulls the strings” in a way, it could be the player, it’s just too vague to say “That’s Gaster!” Also there’s no evidence he made the prophecy, I think you made that one up.
Gerson says "some say it swallowed him up" with parallels with gaster falling in his own creation. and the fact they're both authors
The knight was mentioned separately from the strange someone with seam, and call made spamton want to reach "heaven" which the knight doesnt have any thing to do with
And for the prophecy
-it was foretold through time and space
-the prophecy panels have the same texture as the depths where we meet gaster
-"My deltarune"
-The fact gaster knows everything that will happen
-"The voice it was glowing"(organikk line)
-Deltarune website used to have part of the prophecy in Wingdings about banishing the angel's heaven which we know due to ralsei version of the prophecy
See this for me though nearly all seems like evidence that he doesn't exist in the game universe as a regular character who can be fought and interacted with, but has a status more similar to the player where he is outside the world holding the light and dark worlds, can only interact with it indirectly, but has probably more ability to influence it than if he was a regular character.
I think he is incredibly important and I do absolutely believe we will learn more about him, but I will also be very surprised if he gets to appear in the game as a regular character, it would be like trying to depict God.
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exactly
I love gaster to death, one of my favorite video game characters of all time. that being said, I hope he doesn't appear as an actual character in the flesh
Until the bum can show himself in a game instead of constantly vagueposting in the game over screens I’m denying his existence out of spite
Personally, I myself am Gaster-neutral. If he does show up, cool. If he doesn't, cool.
Honestly, I'm more interested in finding out what the voice wants to accomplish than whether the voice is G-boy or not.
Because let's not forget, unless you're deep into the weeds like us, a casual Undertale player only has a 4 out of 100 chance to potentially hear the name WD Gaster. And in Deltarune there's several more prominent mystery figures to deal with. (FRIEND, Forgotten Man, the Knight, etc...)
Him stepping out like "hello yes I am Wing Ding" would be as much of an empty twist as the "this character is actually Khan/Blofeld" from respectively Star Trek Into Darkness or Spectre. Most of the long-time fans already called it and in the actual story it doesn't really change anything.
Who's this Gaster guy everyone keeps talking about
Wait, this guy from NUDEALERT?
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I don't see why he's important, but anything's possible I guess
I think everyone agrees the voice is important; but until the game namedrops Gaster theres always going to be doubt that thats him. It has to be remembered that the majority of people playing didn't see Twitter threads or secrets in the code or whatever, to the average person deltarune is presently a video game narrative not some 5th wall breaking meta meta arg about an secret from undertale. The voice only just revealed itself for the first time now, and theres still no visible connection it has to the actual in game world.
gaster's background knowledge can be easily explained through lab entries or just a lab in general, gaster lore is not complicated
Yeah but until that occurs there will always be doubt about his importance
Wdym?
Who’s gas
Long ago, two races ruled over Earth: HUMANS and MONSTERS.
I might be missing something, but when was this confirmed to be Gaster?
not confirmed but heavily implied
-We make a goner, goners are the only people who talk about gaster
-gaster motif in another him
-The fact it's called another him because he's from another universe
-Speech patterns match perfectly with entry 17
-666 typer value, gaster has 666 stats in undertale files for some resaon
tbh I feel like even if the narrator isn't literally W. D. "Mystery Man" Gaster, the evidence you've said means that whoever the narrator is is so Gaster coded that they might as well be the Deltarune equivalent of Gaster the same way the Toriels are the same person yet also different people, like, by default, even if they're revealed to have a different name and (if we see them) surprising appearance. A lot of people point out that a huge shocking Gaster twist wouldn't make sense to a casual player who hasn't been immersed in theory and lore so I personally expect that they'll be Gaster coded but never truly Gaster.
Ngl DR gaster is probably just the forgotten man
I think that Gaster will not be important, but not too unimportant either.
He definetly has a big influence in the whole game, but he's never going to directly appear in the main story to not confuse casual players that don't know the whole lore
gaster lore is not complicated, it can be easily explained through lab entries & dialogue
The only things that are directly about Gaster in Undertale are the fun values that have a very small probability to appear. So unless you have searched in the internet you are not going to know anything about him.
For me if he directly appears in the story would spoil what made him interesting in the first place, being the ultimate easter egg
forgotten man is an easter egg. The voice who's the whole reason the game starts is not an easter egg. Gaster in undertale was just a teaser for deltarune, he's not an easter egg for no reason
I can see what you mean. For me I prefer that Gaster stays as a ambiguous force in deltarune because I imagine him as still shattered across time and space. To me there's already a malicious entity that has been showing up in secret through the game and that's friend.
There's one video that tells a theory about how could Gaster have importance in the story without actually showing up that I like very much
It's WHY he's even here that's more interesting.
maybe not like important to the plot, but he's got something going on.
I still think about that animation where he says the entry number 17 line "What do you two think?" And then it pans to Kris and Susie infront of him
TO BE CLEAR, before reading the rest of this comment PLEASE keep in mind that I believe the goner maker guy being gaster is by far the strongest theory regarding their identity, but just hear me out
The only reason I don't feel comfortable saying that it's 100% for sure gaster is because we don't have a particularly solid foundation of who gaster is. Yes, I know about the snippets we get about him across undertale, but those are really limited 2nd-hand (at best) accounts and imo that doesn't lead to a very solid understanding of what he is like as a character. Compare him to any of the main cast of UT or even some of the more significant side characters, who have a lot of scenes and dialogue that give us a more direct understanding of their mannerisms and motivations and hopefully you see what I mean.
I also think that at this point, with half the game out, we have enough material on the goner maker guy to make solid interpretations of their character and motivations independent of who they are exactly. Putting a name to a face is satisfying, sure, but I think we should be more concerned about what they're trying to accomplish and why.
That being said, if deltarune ever does go and outright say that it's gaster, I would not be particulary surprised. I think what evidence is there is decent and leads to a perfectly acceptable interpretation of gaster as the goner maker guy. I just don't think it's a foregone conclusion, and maybe not even necessarily an important conclusion at this point
There’s no reason to doubt that this is gaster other than the fact it’s not confirmed. Throughout all the names that have special effects in the intro, the voice says you’ll meet them soon or something like that, gaster name is the one that resets it. Through that logic if it wasn’t gaster and we end up typing his name, he would have said something like “Hey that’s my name”
My bad, you're totally right. Its 100% gaster. There is no need for nuance or discussion when typing his name resets the game. Frankly it was my fault for not considering such perfect, bulletproof evidence. What a fool I have been...
I always see people saying "uh, Gaster can't be important to Deltarune, most Deltarune players won't know about the hidden obscure things about him from Undertale" and that always struck me as a weird argument because... there are a lot of characters that are important to Deltarune that new players won't already know about. All the new ones. This being Gaster doesn't even need to be a twist because this character already matters, Toby can just have him go "I SUPPOSE I SHOULD INTRODUCE MYSELF. MY NAME IS DOCTOR GASTER" and all the new players will go "Oh cool that's this guy's name" while all us secret knowers pog at the screen.
Ultimately it's an Occam's Razor thing. I know Deltarune players are like, allergic to "the obvious thing" being true (cough Knight theories cough) but sincerely what would the narrative purpose be of this mysterious character associated with "goners" who exists "outside the game" on some level, who speaks with Gaster's exact speech patterns, not being Gaster? Do people think this exactly Gaster-shaped character in the game where like 30% of the cast is alternate universe versions of Undertale characters is going to just be some completely unrelated new character and the Gaster stuff was just a coincidence? Do people think this is Tony Fox, Who Hadn't Thought Of Any Of That?
I believe the voice is Undertale Gaster and the mystery man is Deltarune Gaster
Why is this conversation still being had like genuinely? Those who believe he’s important, believe so. Those who don’t, are allowed to not believe so, even if there is an overwhelming amount of evidence for Gasters relation to the plot. I feel like I see this post every month and it’s always just the same shit. Person makes post saying “how do Gaster deniers exist” Gaster deniers explain why they don’t think he’s too important, people throw evidence at them that they probably know already and no one’s mind is changed. We need to let this go bro
I'm 99% sure Gaster's mystery will be revealed (if ever) in egg rooms, low chance random events, or game data, but not in the main game. This far, any actually important villain would have been foreshadowed in the main or weird routes.
Imagine someone playing Undertale and Deltarune without even being aware of all the meta around entry 17. Then suddenly, the final boss is someone they weren't even aware was in the game. This would be just bad storytelling.
My money is on Mike / tail of hell as the main antagonist, the Knight as a victim / misunderstood antihero, and Gaster being left as a lingering mystery for years of Internet debates to come. Two Gasters theory also works, at least there's a "man behind the tree", so we'll get to see his payoff.
This line and the intro makes it clear he’s important and not an Easter egg
Yeah I'm not arguing that he's unimportant, rather that he's always been a hidden entity, and I believe he will remain hidden. I just personally don't think we will ever see/fight him as many theorists suggest.
i think a similair thing too.
he seems like more of an author of deltarune
Is the person saying this line likely Gaster? Yeah probably. But do we KNOW that? No, we do not. Nothing is confirmed in these games until it's actually confirmed.
Just like Dark Worlds themselves. Yes, we have consistent references to Entry 17 within multiple chapters of Deltarune. But all that means so far is that Gaster was observing / doing experiments on this phenomenon, not that he has anything to do with their existence or opening them up.
For all we know so far, Gaster will have no relevance to the plot even though he may have all the relevance in how WE interact with the game. In other words, he could be almost completely inconsequential to the plot of Deltarune while being incalculably important to the meta-plot of Deltarune.
I would usually agree with this take (for example with Dess Knight), but at this point there's no conceivable way it isn't him. I mean, Gaster's theme is literally in ANOTHER HIM, and who the fuck else could the Entry 17 voice be ?
This is what I think. At most, Kris interacted with Gaster somehow to set up the SOUL connection and that’s it. Kris has no idea who Gaster actually is; as far as they know, they were praying to the Angel and Gaster answered instead.
All the Gaster importance theories forget that at the end of the day, the game has an entire plot line about Kris and Susie that very well can do without Gaster.
Gaster very much appears to have his hands on Deltarune to a greater degree than he did in Undertale. In Undertale, he is nothing more than a series of Easter eggs that the majority of players are going to miss and never discover. In Deltarune, it appears as though he is directly interacting with us/the soul. It appears that he has influenced other characters that we've encountered. Gaster definitely seems to be more prevalent in Deltarune.
But that doesn't mean he's important. That doesn't mean that he is actually going to appear in the game at all. The allure of Gaster in Undertale was the mystery behind him, and trying to put together a puzzle that there are very few pieces to, and no picture to see. All the edgy kids who played that game propped Gaster up on such a high pedestal, and Toby knows this. Toby knows why fans are into Gaster, even if the name Gaster doesn't actually exist in his vernacular.
We are halfway through this game, and there are only two instances of mandatory potential Gaster: the vessel creation at the start, and the text at the end of chapter 4. Apart from that, every single other time that it seems like Gaster is hanging around is entirely optional and missable. If you're a player that never heard any instances of the Gaster noise, you're not aware of the Gaster motif, you never encountered Gaster in Undertale/never played Undertale, you never tried to fight the Knight a second time, etc, etc, etc, the two times you do run into what seems to be Gaster have zero context. None. It's just a random mystery narrator that otherwise has had no impact on the game. So we're halfway through the game and this guy who is supposed to apparently be important hasn't really been established in a truly impactful and meaningful way. You get late game and suddenly this guy pops out who's like, "Hey kids! It's me! Doctor Wingdings Gaster! It was me the whole time!" and that just doesn't work because you're going to have a fairly significant portion of players who are going to have no idea what the fuck this is. It'll seem like this guy came from out of nowhere. Obviously for us who know better, that won't be the case, but that's still not good game design. From where we stand right now, no, Gaster ain't important. The guy is going to have to have more tangible, forward-facing influence from here on out if you want him to actually be important.
But more than that, again, Toby knows what Gaster means to his fans. And again, Gaster gained popularity and thrived off of his mysterious nature. A series of Easter eggs. An unsolvable puzzle. Toby's not about to put Gaster into Deltarune in a more tangible, forward-facing way because it completely goes against what makes him special. Actually having Gaster in the game beyond whatever ethereal bullshit he currently has going on would be awful. There's no way Toby could possibly pay off the pedestal that fans put Gaster on. Being important would ruin Gaster.
Gaster lore is not complicated, you’re saying this like gaster couldn’t be easily explained through lab entries. And his two mandatory appearances make it clear he’s important, he's building up to something special at the end of the game. think about author’s intent, it’s clear his mentions in undertale was buildup for deltarune as an important character
But what he's saying is that for the casual player, you still need to actually establish Gaster as a whole thing. Not everyone who plays Deltarune has played Undertale, and out of those who have less know about Gaster's existence, and out of those there' still a small portion that fully understand the character to the best of the fanbase's ability. Toby and the dev team would need to put SERIOUS work into establishing Gaster as a tangible thing in the next 2-3 chapters for any physical appearance to work.
Plus, as mentioned, Gaster works best as the bogeyman mystery character, that's his entire point. The character of the narrator can be inferred to be Gaster if you already know him from Undertale's sparse context, but him being Gaster specifically isn't actually important to Deltarune. Hell, he could be a guy named Steve as far as the rest of the game is concerned.
please read the post above, "my deltarune" makes it blatantly obvious gaster is important. And like I said earlier, gaster aint hard to explain, he can easily be explained through lab entries or just a lab in general
Even if explaining Gaster as a character is kinda easy, it'd be a bad move to build him up this late. If Toby wanted Gaster or anyone else besides the Knight that isn't a surprise twist of a pre-occuring character being the main antagonist, they would have foreshadowed them already.
Plus, where would it even be relevant to establish Gaster? His character worked in Undertale as he was the royal scientist before Alphys, but since Deltarune doesn't have an equivalent of that role he'd need something new. I just generally think trying to shoehorn him in as a physical presence now would be a very bad idea from a storytelling perspective.
I made a separate comment about it, but what the fuck does the line "my deltarune" even mean? It doesn't actually say anything about the narrator, potentially Gaster, even being important.
the intro, the secret bosses, chapter 4 in general, are all gaster buildup. You're acting like he comes out of nowhere, he's has a lot of buildup and foreshadowing. Namedropping the game and him saying he owns it, obviously makes him important in someway
The secret bosses and chapter 4 are not “Gaster buildup” in any way. None of them make any reference to him besides the ending of chapter 4 where he gets his magical 2 lines of dialogue. But lol you’re in denial man
the prophecy in general is gaster build up, since he made it. Gerson also parallel gaster. Seam seams his world view grew "darker yet darker" whn talking about jevil, the phone call spamton recieved was most like by gaster cause of garbage noise, eram hints to the shelter, and gaster talks to us during the knight fight
See, but this all requires immense amounts of background knowledge, which most players just don’t have access too. You can’t assume the average player knows and understands information hidden in the game files or 0.1% chance events from a completely different game. Most players don’t go back and try to fight the knight again, and most players have no idea what “darker yet darker” would imply. I agree these references exist, and nobody’s saying his role is nonexistent in the game. But to derive that all these secret Easter eggs will lead to a face-to-face encounter is totally unrealistic because the average player will be completely lost. Toby Fox is a good writer, we all know this, so we can trust he won’t mess up like that.
the average player is simply gonna get an explanation of who made the prophecy and what happened to spamton and jevil with gaster's appearance. Why would that not ever be adressed? why wouldnt a causal player want an explanation on that?
Lab entries aren't meaningful. That's pretty much the same thing as the fun value goners from Undertale, but with fewer steps, and it's less impactful. Trying to push some sort of great significance onto Gaster all because he said "My Deltarune" would require more than something that's cheap and easy. For all we know, "My Deltarune" is some metanarrative nonsense and Gaster is viewing the world more from our perspective. It's my playthrough of Deltarune that I'm playing, so wouldn't that make it my Deltarune? See how easy it is to remove significance from that line of dialogue? Not that I'm actually saying it has no significance. That's definitely the kind of line that'll have some kind of payoff, but I doubt it'll be nearly as important as you'd like.
Okay but you're not saying it, a character in-game is saying it, giving it extreme value, meaning he owns the world or something adjacent, he's literally building up to the end of the game. This proves that the voice is some kind of creator. Like how would namedropping the game like that and saying he owns it , not make him important? He's already important because he's the reason we're here in the first place. And again, it makes no sense to the mysterious voice who connected us to not be explained at all in a causal run. Not to mention Lab entries to gaster specifically, are important because of entry 17, which is quoted multiple times throughout the game
We technically don't even know this guy is Gaster. Like, I fully believe they are, but we have scant info...
-ANOTHER HIM has a gaster motif
-we’re making a goner, goners are the only people who mention gaster
-speech patterns match perfectly with entry 17
-the fact it’s even called another him, as he’s from another universe, hence there being another gaster
There is a lot of proof that it’s gaster
I 100% agree, I just wonder when we're going to start having hints totally contained in Deltarune about Him.
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It's already started.
Ooo! Good catch. Gotta go find a list of all those guys' lines sometime
Yeah the Organikks say a bunch of insane shit with even crazier lore implications in the latter half of Chapter 4, and it drives me crazy that barely anyone is talking about them lol
The discussion still exists because, according to some people, "Wouldn't it be so funny and such a Toby thing to do if Gaster was completely irrelevant?"
While I think Gaster will be important to this game due to the constant references to entry #17, how does the quote you posted seriously allude to Gaster? There are other quotes in this game that do so better I feel.
People forget that temmie has an old tweet saying "Im scarier than gaster"
Contrarianism
okay now imagine the voice being a new character, ANYTHING BUT gaster
He says on twitter “have you been looking for me” implying that they are a character we’re aware about
P-papyrus 😨
why does everyone assume this is gaster? or am i just not deep enough to know better?
There's a LOT of evidence, but the main give-aways are :
The biggest argument against Gaster being important is that requiring players to be familiar with lore so obscure it requires delving into the code/ watching a YouTube video to fully understand is bad storytelling.
You will never hear the name “Gaster” in any of Deltarune’s endings. All caps 666 guy from the intro will obviously show up at some point. He’ll have a different name and it will be widely accepted in the fanbase that he’s Gaster, but we’ll never get full confirmation.
There is a prevailing theory (or as I like to call them: anti-theory) that the Voice isn't Gaster.
There is also a prevailing theory that Player isn't the SOUL *cough\* Jaru *cough\*
(No hate to the man btw, his videos are super entertaining, it's just that this "anti-theory" approach is fundamentally flawed and can sometimes lead to widespread annoyances like "Dess being the Knight is too obvious", "The Voice isn't Gaster", "Asriel isn't actually in college", etc)
Ironically, I am one of the Player deniers, but that stems from my views that "there is no outright fourth wall breaks in Undertale/Deltarune" and "Chara is a self-insert character in Undertale".
I'm an open-minded individual though and maybe Toby will make it work for me. I just always saw his 4th wall breaking (or 4th wall leaning) having more subtlety than that.
We shouldn't completely dismiss anti-theories though. They're a great tool at poking holes in theories and putting them to the test, but you can't just build a theory purely on debunking other theory.
People who think that are lowkey worse than gaster deniers, cause that’s just something that’s blatantly shown
Well, I honestly believe that he will be very important to the story, but not in an over-the-top way, more so just that he will be more obvious over the time. I think the focus should still be on the Fun Gang and the darkners, and Gaster will be an onlooker who may or may not step in after ch.5 to do some shenanigans with FRIEND or ERAM, and his importance is more so in a lore-wise and narrative perspective than a gameplay perspective. Also the final boss is THE ANGEL calling it right here and now.
could someone remind me how we know for certain that this voice is Gaster?
-We make a goner, goners are the only people who talk about gaster
-gaster motif in another him
-The fact it's called another him because he's from another universe
-Speech patterns match perfectly with entry 17
-666 typer value, gaster has 666 stats in undertale files for some resaon
meanwhile me waving the "Friend ain't important" flag
So is there any evidence that this is Gaster?
-We make a goner, goners are the only people who talk about gaster
-gaster motif in another him
-The fact it's called another him because he's from another universe
-Speech patterns match perfectly with entry 17
-666 typer value, gaster has 666 stats in undertale files for some resaon
We don't actually know he's from another universe but besides that everything else checks out
He’s a royal scientist from the Undertale verse
Actually nvm you're right
Some people don't even think this is gaster lol
It should have never happened to begin with. He gave us the link to the chapter 1 demo directly on twitter after acknowledging we've been looking for him.
It should have died when you hear a remix of Gaster's theme in the intro of the game.
Still no proof that this is gaster talking
-We make a goner, goners are the only people who talk about gaster
-gaster motif in another him
-The fact it's called another him because he's from another universe
-Speech patterns match perfectly with entry 17
-666 typer value, gaster has 666 stats in undertale files for some resaon
I will continue to call Gaster a non-character until he actually walks onto the screen, with a sprite, and introduces himself. No bugs or modding nessecary, and IN-GAME, not in some twitter ARG.
Vagueposting and narrating the character select menu are not "Being an important character". You might as well say Kris's biological parents are actually the most important chacters, because without them the game couldn't happen.
Gaster isn’t going to be on screen. That completely invalidates the point of him. He’s probably not going to talk to any of the characters, he’s probably not going to be the final boss or anything like that. He is an observer who exists outside the bounds of SURVEY_PROGRAM. He speaks to us, he helps us, he only interacts with us, and we’ve already gotten quite a bit of implications for his future characterization
I keep thinking this is the Knight talking to Kris
Wouldn’t it make more sense if The Knight was the second voice that interrupted the end of the Goner-Maker?
Yeah i personally believe that because raise up your bat kinda implies that
That's not Gaster