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Well, they're right when they say art is a luxury service and they don't owe anyone affordability. 

On the other hand, I don't owe them my business and if I can get a good enough result by pressing a few buttons I'm going to do that instead.

Yes!

Getting a logo done for example is $100 minimum where I am in the US.

My elementary school aged niece put together a softball league with her friends in her neighborhood. Her mom helped her use AI to make a logo for them. Random idiots in the neighborhood said people shouldn’t support the team or go to games because they had an AI logo. It’s insanity!

These are the same antis that say "If you can't draw or afford art, you don't deserve to have it". Not only can they not tell us how to make art, they sure as hell aren't entitled to our money.

Sure, let me just spend my entire savings on a single image. 🙄

Yeah. I both commissioned art and donated to artists, but commissioning over 70 pictures (that's how many pics I need for my current project) is just unaffordable for me. $700 would be enough for me to live for 3 months btw 🥹

I'm both pro artist, and pro AI, and these prices are either ridiculous, or people are stupid

Antis weren't believing me that I was replacing a $300+ artist with AI. And it's got nothing on Miles DF pricing.

btw most artists were apologists for that pricing, saying stuff like "Yeah that's industry standard" and "god I wish I could charge that much"

They want to fleece commissioners so bad.

Ps: Only industry where payment is expected upfront. They can take your 7500 and disappear from the internet.

This is the same level of stupid as buying an NFT of an ape.

Yeah. “Why use AI? Just pay commission.” Makes no sense, honestly. Why not? It's cheap and fast, and you can try it as many times as you need until you're satisfied. They're the ones who need to explain why we should abandon that option and pay a fortune instead.

And people said I was low-balling back when I kept my commission prices below $60 back in 2016 thru 2022 (when I eventually stopped doing commissions).

why is it always furry shit? why? I am genuinely curious? this is some of the most derivative and samey art I have ever seen yet they are always the most vocal of the low int builds.

Literally. AI is an absolutely awesome tool which is FREE. AND you could even try to draw it yourself after which is fun (you still get to keep the AI drawing as well so it has no downside)

Literally the only two cons being that AI does mess up and maybe make 6 fingers, which ISNT a big deal. And of course getting bullied for no reason for using it in the first place :/

I’ve developed a bad tremor, so it’s impossible for me to draw anymore, and AI helps me get my ideas out. I also get attacked by the antis (I’ve even gotten a couple of death threats), so these hateful people are just scared little twats who see the writing on the wall, that they can’t charge outrageous prices anymore.

As a Marxist, I've maintained from the outset that social existence determines social consciousness. All artists worldwide work for the American and European markets, and their prices, accordingly, are also oriented toward consumers in wealthy countries. This is precisely why, in countries where commissioning a drawing from an artist is unaffordable for the vast majority, AI is becoming very popular and provokes far less rejection. In fact, it provokes almost no rejection at all.

The hysteria surrounding AI images exists only on the English-speaking internet.

.... why wouldn't you just offer them for $100 and have more than 2 clients?

for that much it better be animated and colored, oh wait I can do that too, or at least in a few months to a year once I finally get a good graphics card

Commissioning art is a luxury, and actually a lot of times (not all times) prices are understandable but yes you're totally right. Dw about it it's not just a problem in your country, it's just a very expensive thing even in 1st world countries reserved for rich people. That's how it was like back in the day. Some are also more than a 1,000 dollars I think. Many. A lot of the $$$ also comes from the brand name (how big the artist is).

Lol just realized my laptop is 720 usd btw that's crazy

You could probably build a PC with a 5090 for $7500

Sad part if its digital art, creator doesn't give you rights. Neither it has a resell value cause it's not real/physical.

Simply using AI, hiring AI artist for cheap or even purchasing $100M Van Gogh painting makes you "lose" less money.

And this is exactly why I stopped commissioning in the furry fandom. Even at $300 for a commission, it's just way too expensive for me and probably for most other people. With rent prices the way they are plus everything else related to COL getting more expensive, why spend $200 to $300 for one image when for $14 on NovelAI you can generate about 357 images.

If you really want human art, look at local artists from your country. They're more likely to charge prices that are affordable for you. I got a few $1-3 commissions from local artists

Not only that, it also depends on who you commission. I have a chimera fursona that's pretty unique; even AI can't reliably identify the animals. But I've already won several giveaways, and a former friend bought me a Pride icon about two years ago. To be honest, most of the things real people have made for me (aside from the version I made myself, which is the "ideal" one) don't look like what I had in mind.

The Pride icon has a different color palette than the references I sent the illustrator. Then, in a Twitter giveaway, the guy did some weird stuff with my fursona, and when I told him that wasn't right, he said, "I'll fix it in your next commission."

Only some random guy on Reddit, who was also doing a giveaway, drew it correctly, and I only gave him a reference and the species I had used. And that drawing is the one I ended up using to create the final version, along with what I did for GPT-4o to make the version I now use as a reference for the AI.

I don't think that guy on the right is representative of artists as a whole.

just you know..... draw it yourself it takes a few months to get good but trust me its worth it i make games and i did that

It's like 3 RTX gaming laptops

Huh, I've only ever seen prices in the double digits

If you look over to the other sub you'll see a bunch of people who don't understand the market and don't understand how AI works being really upset at this post

There are cheap artists for 10-30$ too, I do support them sometimes but if i want something quick and I don't truly care about quality (well not like cheap artists can do super high quality lmao) I like using AI

Even if commissions were 5-10$ for quality ones, it's still decently expensive in some countries, it tells a lot people choose AI over their comms actually, they really aren't worth the price

(And most prices are ridiculous lmao, for 3-5 hour drawing at max they want 20+ hours of payment on average, not like they are super talented)

Technology makes specialists less special, a tale as old as time.

I've seen some recent commission prices and I get that there's inflation and things are harder now but god damn it's not motivating me to quit using stable diffusion

Supply and demand.

Demand is going through the toilet, so prices are raising to offload supply.

$5,000-$7,500 for a furry?

Does this $5,000 commission get painted by a centerfold as we go on a week-long cruise together in the Royal Suite?

Depends on the comission, there's plenty cheaper or what have you. Many hobby artists charge differently than professionals, as a example.

But at the same time, yeah. I get it. Americans tend to forget even 'good' prices in USD can be much more for those in other countries.

Also YCH type comissions are often differently priced than 'come to me with a outline' type comissions.

YCH as a concept is a big scam.

not even once

$7500?! Jeez.. it better be professional art company levels. That’s ridiculous

Jesus fucking christ 5000$ for a pinup is crazy money.

i have followed an artist/animator on yt for years and the only cases they would do their commissions (which werent pricy but not cheap either) on time was when they needed to buy something or they liked the type of the comm, otherwise they delay commissions by months and publicly say they are just lazy to do shit 💔💔 And jeez i have watched many artists/animators over the years and a lot of them have delays for barely any reason, i only know one who does quality and fast. Fucking no idea why they are surprised people switch to AI which is already capable of outputting very decent stuff especially if you know what youre doing

Wtf are those prices? People I follow do comms for <100$. This is just an issue with this particular artist who probably set the price so high to get less requests. This is equivalent argument to hosting stable diffusion instance for 5000€ / month and using just that to claim that AI is unnafordable

Ok OP is doing his bit, but what's up with the comments? We all know the art commission prices are nowhere near that level, for 99.999% of artists.

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like YES i love commissioning real artists, but goddamn if i find a finished piece under 70$. i understand you take your talent high but... dont overestimate yourself. most of the time its not worth the price at all

Where do you see this kind of prices?

This is a moron take at the tier of getting a student load and spending it all on video games and pron because that feels better than going to class

Miles-DF is the most overpriced artist in the fandom, their art is not even that good either. In fact looking at their FA over the last year the pieces look quite unfinished.

100% to PS5 Pro, i know, is a Scam but holy crap, buying $700 for a art!?

That could be the value of a Sculpture (of course the older or newest ones)

Cherrypicking much? This guy is hated within the fandom for exactly those prices among other things.

Artists think "I deserve a comfortable wage, I'll charge whatever it takes to keep me housed and fed!"

Then they work for a total of 13 hours over the course of an entire week, take random "mental health breaks" that can last months, reopen commissions while they have a backlog of unfinished work, communicate to customers worse than Microsoft tech support, and spend most of their "working time" on uncommissioned personal OC projects.

Your work is worth what it's worth to the client, it's not worth however much money you happen to need to pay your bills today.

Source: dated a somewhat successful internet artist like this for years, saw her, and the way her peers behaved. The overwhelming majority are like this. The majority of commissions also come from other artists as they pay each other's overpriced fees and pass large sums of money around in a big cycle.

is every commision in the world fucking 700$
no
go find a cheaper one or draw it yourself (drawing on a rock is valid too)
ok that's my argument goodbye

Who the fuck is charging that much? I've seen several good quality artists who stay under $200 or even under $100 for a full color pic. They're fetish artists but still

Most people spend money on ai though, and yeah hiring people tends to be expensive

And it is a furry ☠️ knowing furry I know there is people who will pay for that slop

Where are commissions that expensive??

Yo is that example actually that person's prices or is this just facetious hyperbole, because if the former that is insane, a YCH for the price of a fursuit (to any non-furries in here, yes custom fursuits really do cost thousands of dollars but they're all handmade craftsmanship so it's understandable) is mental A good commission can definitely run you hundreds of dollars, but well into the thousands for what appears to not even have flat colors (if the actual comm sheet does have those being with colors I wouldn't know, I'm just going off the cropped image in the post) is actually mind-boggling

This is all fun until you make an ai image that you want to use for large format printing (like a banner, or wall mural). Once that happens you can either then pay a designer to remake your ai image, or you will have to be good a with a pixelated mess blown up to size. This is a daily conversation at the sign shop and it is honestly excruciating. Ai does not make my job easier, and at the end of the day they still got to pay

unfortunately it’s a cycle— personally i don’t care about AI art
it’s quick, accessible, and gets people results for personal use in a very quick fashion
however, we can’t deny that it is unfortunately taking work away from people who make a living off of their art
but because they get fewer clients, they raise prices— and because prices go up, AI becomes a more appealing option, thus causing more work to be lost, and so forth

sucks, but true. i’d pay in certain circumstances, but i’d consult Gemini for most

I mean if you spent most of your life developing a skill you’d wanna get paid well for your work as well.

You won’t find a Michelin star chef who’s gonna charge McDonald’s prices.

Who is charging $7,500 for a sketch? If someone is attracting that kind of money it's because they're very popular. Artists on Fiverr charge like $50 for a full colour digital painting.

If you don't have $50 then fair enough, but I don't understand this 'rip-off artists' line. The market for drawing characters like this is cut-throat and artists often end up earning below minimum wage.

dawg maybe stop going for the massive artists then i know many amazing artists that would do a commission for like 20$

It's all about what you're going to earn from it. Sometimes a book cover costs a lot, but is it worth the money you're spending? You'll be earning money from your book, and a good cover helps attract an audience.

Also, people who hire artist to because they want their imagination to be visualized are usually people who can afford both

I'm all for AI art, but human made art is valuable and shouldn't be treated as if it has lost its value. There's something good about knowing a person created this from a scratch, obviously you have to choose what you can afford, and what gives you the best results

where the hell are you looking for commissions you can get full color art for like $100

Pro-AI: finds a person known for being a scammer and looked down on by the artist community around them due to their unrealistic, predatory pricing

Pro-AI: "See! It's all artists!"

Are you making a good choice? "Video game made by passionate team" ewee gross real art. Instead I choose slop game made by ai as it is cheaper. Why would I eat quality barbecue when I can eat a mcrib?