What's most infuriating is seeing people praising texts written like that. Now all YouTube videos use phrases like that, and it seems very few people realize it's AI garbage.
I feel like a psychopath, multiple time midway through a video I realized the entire script was AI generated and it’s infuriating. How are people not immediately turned off by it? It’s not even that’s it’s AI it’s just fucking bad at writing anything interesting.
I have the same problem; any video I detect as AI-generated, I skip. And like you said, it's not that it's AI, it's that they don't even seem to bother reading the text the AI generates; otherwise (perhaps) they'd notice the redundant style and cadence.
I will say I have used AI in the past to fix up some comments or posts but I’ve honestly started to love seeing typos and errors in stuff because then at least I know I’m talking to a real person.
Be careful with that because I have seen a ton of astroturfing bots with normal looking comments with plenty of errors or slang. They do it to build up a normal posting history.
I saw a video that was absolutely waxed by the comment section, they ate it up, but the video actually didn't SAY anything. Loads of words that felt good but nothing of any substance. Whole thing was obviously AI too. In conclusion, people are dumb.
Everytime i search up "explained" be it for a movie, show or a video game it will be ai accounts with ai thumbnails and ai scripts written with mistakes here and there. For instance it will be a woman on the screen and it will say "he" or it will be shit like "the woman with big breats" and i know its for bait to get people to comment. It pisses me off cuz i just want the plot of a horror video game that im too scared to play explained without ai slop!!!!! 😒😒😒
I saw an AI video about the Ford flathead V8. Whenever "V8" was mentioned, the AI said "Five-Eight." The whole video was a trainwreck to the point that it was amusing.
I get downvoted every time I call out AI/LLMs. I have no idea why people don't care when they're being deceived/manipulated and even react with hostility to having it pointed out. They're like "how do you know, proof????" or "it's not AI just because of an em dash!!!" or even "you're actually ableist." we are in the dumbest fucking timeline and it gets dumber by the day
Felt. I'm autistic too. I for one am built different and highly doubt I would ever mistake you for AI. Maybe some people do call things AI just because of an em dash, but I'm always looking for multiple tells. I can also tell when something with an em dash is not AI. I'm not going to act like I can tell accurately literally 100% of the time, I'm aware I'm not perfect and that we can't always be completely sure. But I do have high confidence that I can tell when it is and isn't. Except maybe those Nano Banana Pro images now... we're all cooked there. lol.
Oh yeah there’s always very specific tells. And I can’t really explain it, don’t always have words for it, but sometimes it’s just blatantly obvious when something is AI. It’s bizarre bc it seems like they’re not even trying…? Like… don’t you wanna NOT be caught??
Anyway, I love em dashes and it’s easy on iPhone bc you just tap - twice in a row and it’s automatically turns into an em dash. But that’s been used against me as well.
At this point I’m just like lol thanks for the compliment but also you don’t know what you’re talking about. I think sometimes it’s just people being big mad that in the midst of a debate / intellectual discussion, I can express myself clearly and articulately without getting steamrolled AND I bring receipts (links, evidence). And they just don’t like that. So it immediately becomes OmG iT’s Ai 🐓
Em dash is a tell but there's other things that have to go along with it. One thing ai loves doing is listing 3 things or giving 3 examples.
Because of the "rule of three"
For example it may say something like "the rule of three is a big part of human communication, used in>>>> marketing, public speaking, and literature<<<< "
Obviously humans do that too, but not as much as ai.
Oh, you are right and that's a good point. Weaponized AI accusation. They do this because in an online debate, it's not about changing each others mind... People argue because they know others are watching.
So false accusations like that fool the lesser intelligent viewers. It's a really cheap attack -- I get it sometimes, too, in the same circumstances.
Especially since I use emdashes and bulletpoints sometimes. But now I have to dumb down my presentation sometimes so it doesn't look like AI. That's ridiculous...
Truth is, AI does a good job of presenting information in a digestible manner. But that leads to AI accusations for people who communicate clearly.
They bank on people only being able to callout the em dash or the “it’s not x, it’s y” bc they think it allows them to wave off any claim of AI with “well actually people use them all the time”. Call out the more ambiguous parts that make it obvious and their brains break because they can’t just wave it away. If you call out the tone and flow they KNOW you know because anyone who uses AI at all will immediately know what you’re talking about. They will still double down but it then becomes a scenario of ‘you know they know you know’ and they lose their perceived control of the argument.
oh my god, I never say something is ai JUST becauase of an em dash.......... that's my point, it's like a dunning-kruger thing with people who think it's a "gotcha" when they are actually the ones who can't tell, and don't see the multiple reasons why I've clocked something as AI generated, which goes beyond the use of an em dash.
Not just this phrase but AI writing as a whole is usually bland and terrible to read. That’s why music review forums and websites have become the last safe haven for me to read other people’s writing.
So overly verbose. And when AI tells a story, it needs to name the multitude of characters. "My neighbor Anne, my brother Alex, and my friend Eric. And the introduction is always overly formal.
I'm a knitter and crocheter. Craft sites and patterns are so full of AI hallucinated nonsense that I've gone back to collecting books published prior to 2021.
I firmly believe physical items, books, cds, vinyl, that is probably from the time it’s claimed to have been created will only become more and more valuable.
Even files that can be proven (if that’s possible?) to be the date that they were supposedly created will be more valuable…. I think.
For sure. The early stages of that movement are already well underway.
I already collect physical media for movies, games, and music because I've had things I "owned" disappear from my library. Expanding that to my hobbies just feels like a natural progression.
Btw, in the US the biannual or annual sales by your public library system and local resellers are gold mines. Getting a library card and checking out Blu-ray and DVD's also helps you and the library.
Subscription models move all of us away from our library systems (by design). My library has apps for movies that can be cast to your tv, music collections that rivals Amazon and iTunes, and their physical media collection is amazing. If you check out CD's and have a disc reader you check out a CD and rip music like it is still 2009.
Ack, I’ve noticed owned things dropping out of library… or changing to something I would have never downloaded. As an example, I hate song re-recordings (especially of artists like Smokey Robinson or Three Dog Night, that general era), so I would never download one on purpose. But iTunes pulled the old switcheroo on me with something I purchased and now I have a re-recording (I think it might be The Coasters’ Yakety Yak).
I like the lack of polish and personality that’s abundant in online writing and comment sections. Maybe I should just start downloading Reddit threads to read through.
That's a very insightful point — it's not just "bland and terrible", it's isolating. You're not broken for looking elsewhere for real human contact, you're protecting your own sanity.
Would it help if I thought of some other online spaces, similar to music review forums, that you could look for genuine thoughts and opinions from actual humans?
Yeah, it "really hits different" every time I see it. It's "wild how" common the AI lingo patterns are once you start seeing them everywhere. "Insert random question here about whether anyone else has had a similar experience?"
Completely with you. But if you're not accostumed to analyzing texts, things like that go over your head. Worse, I've seen some people are starting to show this patterns in their irl speech.
What I hate about it is -- I kind of like it. Just like I like emdashes (although it frustrates me when I get AI accusations because mine are just double dashes.) Plus if it was AI written it would be written better than anything I type, so the accusers are just annoying.
My point though is AI takes a good thing and ruins it for everyone.
I'm not as anti-AI as others here. It has its plusses and its negatives, like all new technologies... but the negatives sure stand out!
The other thing is when people use AI to rewrite their post or comment -- it does make it more digestible... But they should at least edit it. Remove the emdashes. Keep their voice.
But they don't, because:
The kind of person who would use AI to rewrite their post or comment isn't the kind of person who would take the time to edit/improve/fix it.
Just like:
The kind of person who asks to borrow something that belongs to you isn't the kind of person who will take care of it and remember to return it.
"That isn't two types of people, it's one!"
PS. Even adding formatting to your post or comment, these days, causes people to assume AI was involved, thereby discouraging formatting & making human to human communication even worse.
plenty of people have been editing their LLM text to make it seem less like AI. I can almost always still tell and still hate it on principle. It seems almost more deceptive and annoying to try to make the AI generated text seem less like that's what it is than to just copy and paste directly from chatgpt.
Good point. And to your point, if it's edited well enough then I might not notice at all!
I understand your sentiment with regard to hating it on principle. However, there are two concerns:
What's more important... The content & meaning of the message? Or the phrasing in which it is typed, and who typed it?
I personally use Reddit for the communication of thoughts and ideas. I learn here, and I share what I know. I think the content is more important than how it is written, and truth is -- those AI posts are well designed in terms of information hierarchy & clarity.
That said, I really do understand the sentiment. They do seem less authentic, and I subconsciously trust them even less.
However there's another case:
Some of the rewriting is done to help people for whom English isn't their first language... And that's kind of understandable. That said, it also adds to your point about credibility. Next thing you know, we're reading political commentary written by someone in a foreign country who can barely speak English, who may have a secondary motive that is obfuscated by the non-human rewrite of his text!
So in the end, I get it. But I also like the formatting and find the structure easy to comprehend -- which can be helpful in a context where the information is of top importance.
I don't think I have to choose "what's more important" between two things. I can care about a person and what they mean to communicate and still hate that they used AI to do it.
I can understand and appreciate what you're saying overall, I'm not all pro or all anti when it comes to AI either.
But if I were using an LLM for English for example, I would just say that in my posts instead of coming across as a bot and then calling everyone xenophobic or ableist and w/e for clocking it and not liking or trusting it. But also... I don't think I WOULD use an LLM for that purpose because it waters down the voice of the individual too much. I would rather use a translator instead of having my own voice turned into that uncanny "LLM voice" that strips it of the organic structure of my own thoughts and process.
If I as an English speaker went into some online space where English wasn't spoken, and I was using some annoying, sus, lifeless tool to try to communicate with everyone that makes me indistinguishable from bots and slop/farming content, I wouldn't really blame anyone for disliking it, even if I felt frustrated by the communication barrier. Because it's not about excluding people, it's about the annoying-ass LLM patterns and deceptive AI slop content flooding everywhere, and how empty and insincere it feels. I would argue the person using the LLM is the one who doesn't care about the content and meaning, not the ones annoyed having to read it.
All this being said, this whole situation is very new and I'm sure we all still have things to think & talk through and consider. But this is my current POV.
I agree with burnout on the uncanny "LLM voice." The minute you see it, it's a turnoff, like "Here we go again..."
It does feel empty and insincere.
What's funny though is the same people who feel so strongly about this issue don't also apply that same logic to other things that are empty and insincere.
They consume "news" that has lied to them their entire lives about every major issue - and yet they still believe it when the next big thing happens.
They attend corporate sponsored protests thinking they're rebelling against something.
They listen to music that has the sound of rebellion, but is actually conformist and nothing more than a mouthpiece of the system.
And they're OK with consumption of vapid, useless comments. By the hundreds. Thousands, even...
So let's consider:
Person A puts together a useful, informative, and thoughtful comment or post... But they use AI to organize the thoughts and make it more digestible.
Person B makes useless comments that contribute nothing. <- this is most of Reddit, most social media.
In that context, isn't Person A's contribution more valuable, even if it was machine assisted?
It's kind of like when I write a long response, like this, and someone says: "I'm not reading that. tldr"
That's fine. But that same person is consuming hundreds upon hundreds of junk comments that don't give useful information or encourage deeper thinking on a subject. That person embraces noise in favor of meaningful communication.
I suppose the argument for Person B is "Well, at least it's human."
But is it? I would argue that most humans are so programmed through screen-based consumption that they might as well be bots. They contribute nothing unique, and what they say is a conformist mirror of what they consume. Their thoughts and opinions are determined by consensus - but not the natural kind by which we evolved to have group intelligence... Online consensus, which is astroturfed, manipulated, and cherry picked to make people believe certain things. Bad things which unknowingly undermine their existence, be it their health, wealth, or freedom.
Anyhow, I don't disagree with you. But there is that other angle I think about sometimes. So I'll usually skim an AI assisted post or comment to see if there's anything useful in it, still. Sometimes there is.
That isn't composition, that's a clanker gibberish, and you're very astute to point it out.
Want me to generate a list of other AI tells or reasons you can't trust a system that's whole purpose is to regurgitate the average of everything every written?
I actually have been trying to complain about this for a while and I couldn't find exactly how to explain it. I suspected it was AI shit but wasn't sure or if people just started latching on to that dumb phrase.
For me it’s the “No __. No _. No __. Just __.” in the “hard hitting” stories and articles.
As in “No love. No care. No attention. Just anger and rejection of me as a person”.
You come across any biographical account about a person or situation from history especially on facebook and in the “Off My Chest” subreddits, you’re bound to find that paragraph.
I don't think that a part of language and phrasing should be completely ruined just because AI uses it often. There's a lot of words that it uses often, like "honestly". A machine doesn't have anything to be honest about, but it says it just to sound more human. Which is uncanny and weird, but it shouldn't stop us from being honest. If we have a point to make that we think might be best said with "it's not just X, it's Y.", then why not just use it? Accusations don't matter as long as they just come from you.
i can’t comprehend the appeal of AI at all. I’ve tried using it, it’s a shit search engine and even shittier yet at coming up with “””original””” ideas. Everything is the most numbly vapid rephrasing of things already created. Drives me crazy how many people think AI is the future when it genuinely cant do anything without basing off what humans have already put out.
What's most infuriating is seeing people praising texts written like that. Now all YouTube videos use phrases like that, and it seems very few people realize it's AI garbage.
I feel like a psychopath, multiple time midway through a video I realized the entire script was AI generated and it’s infuriating. How are people not immediately turned off by it? It’s not even that’s it’s AI it’s just fucking bad at writing anything interesting.
I have the same problem; any video I detect as AI-generated, I skip. And like you said, it's not that it's AI, it's that they don't even seem to bother reading the text the AI generates; otherwise (perhaps) they'd notice the redundant style and cadence.
I will say I have used AI in the past to fix up some comments or posts but I’ve honestly started to love seeing typos and errors in stuff because then at least I know I’m talking to a real person.
Be careful with that because I have seen a ton of astroturfing bots with normal looking comments with plenty of errors or slang. They do it to build up a normal posting history.
Thankfully it's been easy to catch on to bc its usually peppered with awkward slang that makes it sound like an old man trying to sound hip
Be cautious. AI/bots/ prompt writers have received that feedback enough times that they now include typos and poor grammar.
The situation is very sad. There are more interactions than ever online but people are becoming increasingly isolated.
I'm sure you're a human (or at least I'd like to think so) but this made me chuckle. It sounds kind of like the phrase in the title of this post
I saw a video that was absolutely waxed by the comment section, they ate it up, but the video actually didn't SAY anything. Loads of words that felt good but nothing of any substance. Whole thing was obviously AI too. In conclusion, people are dumb.
Agree, I posted this on 10thdentist 5 minutes and already got like 5 people saying “huh” verbatim
i find it useful for detecting which YouTube scripts are AI slop so I can block the whole channel using ytblock extension
Everytime i search up "explained" be it for a movie, show or a video game it will be ai accounts with ai thumbnails and ai scripts written with mistakes here and there. For instance it will be a woman on the screen and it will say "he" or it will be shit like "the woman with big breats" and i know its for bait to get people to comment. It pisses me off cuz i just want the plot of a horror video game that im too scared to play explained without ai slop!!!!! 😒😒😒
I saw an AI video about the Ford flathead V8. Whenever "V8" was mentioned, the AI said "Five-Eight." The whole video was a trainwreck to the point that it was amusing.
Yeah thats how they get people to comment and it always works.
What gets me is when they basically glaze over anything the bot said to talk about themselves.
I get downvoted every time I call out AI/LLMs. I have no idea why people don't care when they're being deceived/manipulated and even react with hostility to having it pointed out. They're like "how do you know, proof????" or "it's not AI just because of an em dash!!!" or even "you're actually ableist." we are in the dumbest fucking timeline and it gets dumber by the day
They dont want to think they can be fooled. They want to be above that and dont like it when you point out they aren't.
This happened to me once and I’m still bitter about it
It's probably their sock puppet accounts downvoting you. I get like 10 downvotes in about as many minutes every time I call them out.
all AI slop channels have spambots that engage with their garbage
To be fair, as a hyperlexic autistic girly, I get accused of being AI quite a bit.
And it’s genuinely annoying bc I was talking/writing like this before AI.
Felt. I'm autistic too. I for one am built different and highly doubt I would ever mistake you for AI. Maybe some people do call things AI just because of an em dash, but I'm always looking for multiple tells. I can also tell when something with an em dash is not AI. I'm not going to act like I can tell accurately literally 100% of the time, I'm aware I'm not perfect and that we can't always be completely sure. But I do have high confidence that I can tell when it is and isn't. Except maybe those Nano Banana Pro images now... we're all cooked there. lol.
Oh yeah there’s always very specific tells. And I can’t really explain it, don’t always have words for it, but sometimes it’s just blatantly obvious when something is AI. It’s bizarre bc it seems like they’re not even trying…? Like… don’t you wanna NOT be caught??
Anyway, I love em dashes and it’s easy on iPhone bc you just tap - twice in a row and it’s automatically turns into an em dash. But that’s been used against me as well.
At this point I’m just like lol thanks for the compliment but also you don’t know what you’re talking about. I think sometimes it’s just people being big mad that in the midst of a debate / intellectual discussion, I can express myself clearly and articulately without getting steamrolled AND I bring receipts (links, evidence). And they just don’t like that. So it immediately becomes OmG iT’s Ai 🐓
🙄
Em dash is a tell but there's other things that have to go along with it. One thing ai loves doing is listing 3 things or giving 3 examples.
Because of the "rule of three"
For example it may say something like "the rule of three is a big part of human communication, used in>>>> marketing, public speaking, and literature<<<< "
Obviously humans do that too, but not as much as ai.
I’m probably gonna go overboard and give like 6 or 7, just to be totally thorough.
Lol i think this is the first time I’ve seen the chicken emoji being used
Thanks, prime example of my eloquence and ability to articulate myself, of course.
I read the chicken emoji as a little chicken sound effect
As you should, actually.
Oh, you are right and that's a good point. Weaponized AI accusation. They do this because in an online debate, it's not about changing each others mind... People argue because they know others are watching.
So false accusations like that fool the lesser intelligent viewers. It's a really cheap attack -- I get it sometimes, too, in the same circumstances.
Especially since I use emdashes and bulletpoints sometimes. But now I have to dumb down my presentation sometimes so it doesn't look like AI. That's ridiculous...
Truth is, AI does a good job of presenting information in a digestible manner. But that leads to AI accusations for people who communicate clearly.
They bank on people only being able to callout the em dash or the “it’s not x, it’s y” bc they think it allows them to wave off any claim of AI with “well actually people use them all the time”. Call out the more ambiguous parts that make it obvious and their brains break because they can’t just wave it away. If you call out the tone and flow they KNOW you know because anyone who uses AI at all will immediately know what you’re talking about. They will still double down but it then becomes a scenario of ‘you know they know you know’ and they lose their perceived control of the argument.
i don’t bother in attempting to call it out anymore. i just scroll past. some people cannot be saved i guess.
Well. It's not AI just because of an em dash.
oh my god, I never say something is ai JUST becauase of an em dash.......... that's my point, it's like a dunning-kruger thing with people who think it's a "gotcha" when they are actually the ones who can't tell, and don't see the multiple reasons why I've clocked something as AI generated, which goes beyond the use of an em dash.
You're really tightly wound up. Please relax.
That isn't really an AI thing, it's an AI thing.
:p
Not just this phrase but AI writing as a whole is usually bland and terrible to read. That’s why music review forums and websites have become the last safe haven for me to read other people’s writing.
So overly verbose. And when AI tells a story, it needs to name the multitude of characters. "My neighbor Anne, my brother Alex, and my friend Eric. And the introduction is always overly formal.
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I'm a knitter and crocheter. Craft sites and patterns are so full of AI hallucinated nonsense that I've gone back to collecting books published prior to 2021.
Recipes are just as bad.
I firmly believe physical items, books, cds, vinyl, that is probably from the time it’s claimed to have been created will only become more and more valuable.
Even files that can be proven (if that’s possible?) to be the date that they were supposedly created will be more valuable…. I think.
For sure. The early stages of that movement are already well underway.
I already collect physical media for movies, games, and music because I've had things I "owned" disappear from my library. Expanding that to my hobbies just feels like a natural progression.
Btw, in the US the biannual or annual sales by your public library system and local resellers are gold mines. Getting a library card and checking out Blu-ray and DVD's also helps you and the library.
Subscription models move all of us away from our library systems (by design). My library has apps for movies that can be cast to your tv, music collections that rivals Amazon and iTunes, and their physical media collection is amazing. If you check out CD's and have a disc reader you check out a CD and rip music like it is still 2009.
Ack, I’ve noticed owned things dropping out of library… or changing to something I would have never downloaded. As an example, I hate song re-recordings (especially of artists like Smokey Robinson or Three Dog Night, that general era), so I would never download one on purpose. But iTunes pulled the old switcheroo on me with something I purchased and now I have a re-recording (I think it might be The Coasters’ Yakety Yak).
I like the lack of polish and personality that’s abundant in online writing and comment sections. Maybe I should just start downloading Reddit threads to read through.
That's a very insightful point — it's not just "bland and terrible", it's isolating. You're not broken for looking elsewhere for real human contact, you're protecting your own sanity.
Would it help if I thought of some other online spaces, similar to music review forums, that you could look for genuine thoughts and opinions from actual humans?
I'm here for you.
This phrase makes me want to put my computer in the dishwasher
[snort laugh] 😅
Yeah, it "really hits different" every time I see it. It's "wild how" common the AI lingo patterns are once you start seeing them everywhere. "Insert random question here about whether anyone else has had a similar experience?"
You're really hitting on something important here that most people just walk right past.
That phrase is quietly devastating.
nooo
It's an awakening they didn't see coming
People talk about the em dash but THIS phrasing is the biggest AI giveaway to me
Exactly! It's not the em dash—it's this phrasing.
Honestly it is horrible but what annoys me even more is the bullet point lists with emojis.
🎍 Absolutely (I doubt AI uses this emoji)
🎋 yeah
Completely with you. But if you're not accostumed to analyzing texts, things like that go over your head. Worse, I've seen some people are starting to show this patterns in their irl speech.
It’s not you, it’s me
I don't think I'm familiar with this phrase. How does it work?
Ah man enjoy your last moments not knowing, you won’t be able to unsee it
Ah, yeah, I know what it is! You're right. It's everywhere.
What I hate about it is -- I kind of like it. Just like I like emdashes (although it frustrates me when I get AI accusations because mine are just double dashes.) Plus if it was AI written it would be written better than anything I type, so the accusers are just annoying.
My point though is AI takes a good thing and ruins it for everyone.
I'm not as anti-AI as others here. It has its plusses and its negatives, like all new technologies... but the negatives sure stand out!
The other thing is when people use AI to rewrite their post or comment -- it does make it more digestible... But they should at least edit it. Remove the emdashes. Keep their voice.
But they don't, because:
Just like:
"That isn't two types of people, it's one!"
PS. Even adding formatting to your post or comment, these days, causes people to assume AI was involved, thereby discouraging formatting & making human to human communication even worse.
plenty of people have been editing their LLM text to make it seem less like AI. I can almost always still tell and still hate it on principle. It seems almost more deceptive and annoying to try to make the AI generated text seem less like that's what it is than to just copy and paste directly from chatgpt.
Good point. And to your point, if it's edited well enough then I might not notice at all!
I understand your sentiment with regard to hating it on principle. However, there are two concerns:
What's more important... The content & meaning of the message? Or the phrasing in which it is typed, and who typed it?
I personally use Reddit for the communication of thoughts and ideas. I learn here, and I share what I know. I think the content is more important than how it is written, and truth is -- those AI posts are well designed in terms of information hierarchy & clarity.
That said, I really do understand the sentiment. They do seem less authentic, and I subconsciously trust them even less.
However there's another case:
Some of the rewriting is done to help people for whom English isn't their first language... And that's kind of understandable. That said, it also adds to your point about credibility. Next thing you know, we're reading political commentary written by someone in a foreign country who can barely speak English, who may have a secondary motive that is obfuscated by the non-human rewrite of his text!
So in the end, I get it. But I also like the formatting and find the structure easy to comprehend -- which can be helpful in a context where the information is of top importance.
I don't think I have to choose "what's more important" between two things. I can care about a person and what they mean to communicate and still hate that they used AI to do it.
I can understand and appreciate what you're saying overall, I'm not all pro or all anti when it comes to AI either.
But if I were using an LLM for English for example, I would just say that in my posts instead of coming across as a bot and then calling everyone xenophobic or ableist and w/e for clocking it and not liking or trusting it. But also... I don't think I WOULD use an LLM for that purpose because it waters down the voice of the individual too much. I would rather use a translator instead of having my own voice turned into that uncanny "LLM voice" that strips it of the organic structure of my own thoughts and process.
If I as an English speaker went into some online space where English wasn't spoken, and I was using some annoying, sus, lifeless tool to try to communicate with everyone that makes me indistinguishable from bots and slop/farming content, I wouldn't really blame anyone for disliking it, even if I felt frustrated by the communication barrier. Because it's not about excluding people, it's about the annoying-ass LLM patterns and deceptive AI slop content flooding everywhere, and how empty and insincere it feels. I would argue the person using the LLM is the one who doesn't care about the content and meaning, not the ones annoyed having to read it.
All this being said, this whole situation is very new and I'm sure we all still have things to think & talk through and consider. But this is my current POV.
I agree with burnout on the uncanny "LLM voice." The minute you see it, it's a turnoff, like "Here we go again..."
It does feel empty and insincere.
What's funny though is the same people who feel so strongly about this issue don't also apply that same logic to other things that are empty and insincere.
They consume "news" that has lied to them their entire lives about every major issue - and yet they still believe it when the next big thing happens.
They attend corporate sponsored protests thinking they're rebelling against something.
They listen to music that has the sound of rebellion, but is actually conformist and nothing more than a mouthpiece of the system.
And they're OK with consumption of vapid, useless comments. By the hundreds. Thousands, even...
So let's consider:
Person A puts together a useful, informative, and thoughtful comment or post... But they use AI to organize the thoughts and make it more digestible.
Person B makes useless comments that contribute nothing. <- this is most of Reddit, most social media.
In that context, isn't Person A's contribution more valuable, even if it was machine assisted?
It's kind of like when I write a long response, like this, and someone says: "I'm not reading that. tldr"
That's fine. But that same person is consuming hundreds upon hundreds of junk comments that don't give useful information or encourage deeper thinking on a subject. That person embraces noise in favor of meaningful communication.
I suppose the argument for Person B is "Well, at least it's human."
But is it? I would argue that most humans are so programmed through screen-based consumption that they might as well be bots. They contribute nothing unique, and what they say is a conformist mirror of what they consume. Their thoughts and opinions are determined by consensus - but not the natural kind by which we evolved to have group intelligence... Online consensus, which is astroturfed, manipulated, and cherry picked to make people believe certain things. Bad things which unknowingly undermine their existence, be it their health, wealth, or freedom.
Anyhow, I don't disagree with you. But there is that other angle I think about sometimes. So I'll usually skim an AI assisted post or comment to see if there's anything useful in it, still. Sometimes there is.
Right exactly, you explained it better than I could in the fog of rage
That isn't composition, that's a clanker gibberish, and you're very astute to point it out.
Want me to generate a list of other AI tells or reasons you can't trust a system that's whole purpose is to regurgitate the average of everything every written?
Just say the word!
*People aren’t clever, they’re tedious and derivative
**actually 'it's tedious and derivative' is a complete sentence
It was a joke.
Yes. Contrastive antithesis. I loathe.loathe it.
I actually have been trying to complain about this for a while and I couldn't find exactly how to explain it. I suspected it was AI shit but wasn't sure or if people just started latching on to that dumb phrase.
I'm so glad I use a - instead of an — so ppl have never called me out for being AI:)
Maybe my linguistic stupidity is helping me
I'll be real. I did not even know there was an em dash till this AI stuff began, I always always thought people were using a regular dash -
I think it's ok to use the short one but unfortunately, at least for me, the problem with that is... it just kinda looks ugly. no offense
I have no idea what this is referring to.
We should start calling this the DiGiorno effect.
Lmao why
For me it’s the “No __. No _. No __. Just __.” in the “hard hitting” stories and articles.
As in “No love. No care. No attention. Just anger and rejection of me as a person”.
You come across any biographical account about a person or situation from history especially on facebook and in the “Off My Chest” subreddits, you’re bound to find that paragraph.
Damn, you got me that also grinds my gears
That isn't r/DeadInternetTheory , that's r/PetPeeves
I type like that. That isn’t necessarily AI, it’s LLMs learning from typical human conversations that make it seem like a red flag.
Do I sound like a bot 😂
People have used that since forever though? It’s a pretty common way to correct something. Has been a thing long before AI was a thing.
It’s like AI came out and everyone forgot the English language existed first.
That argument doesn’t do it for me because all language existed before AI. It’s just moot
I don't think that a part of language and phrasing should be completely ruined just because AI uses it often. There's a lot of words that it uses often, like "honestly". A machine doesn't have anything to be honest about, but it says it just to sound more human. Which is uncanny and weird, but it shouldn't stop us from being honest. If we have a point to make that we think might be best said with "it's not just X, it's Y.", then why not just use it? Accusations don't matter as long as they just come from you.
i can’t comprehend the appeal of AI at all. I’ve tried using it, it’s a shit search engine and even shittier yet at coming up with “””original””” ideas. Everything is the most numbly vapid rephrasing of things already created. Drives me crazy how many people think AI is the future when it genuinely cant do anything without basing off what humans have already put out.
Funny I see this post. Tell me about it
It isn't just x, it's y. Exposition.
You're not rushing, you're just ready.