Yeah ssd prices are already through the roof. The 2tb 990 pro I bought for 170 3 weeks back is up to 210. That's a $40 or close to 25% jump. These used to go for $140 a year back.
SATA SSDs feel like they’re in a weird position where manufacturers are just trying to clear existing stock. There’s little reason for anyone to buy a SATA SSD over NVMe when building a new system.
There are many cheap af server chassis that offer 24x (or more) 2.5” slots for storage. They’re cheap because all you need for SATA/SAS is a lowly HBA and a basic expander backplane.
Meanwhile, nvme requires nominally 4x PCIE lanes each, and PCIE lanes are more scarce (even for server MBs/CPUs). Also if you want to “expand” this and have say 24x drives sharing 32 lanes like in the case of a SAS expander backplane, you need a PCIE switch chip in the backplane. This is considerably more expensive, both due to the hardware and also because it restricts you to newer generation chassis (not fully depreciated yet) and requires higher end/newer CPUs, for more lanes.
In practice you can expect to pay ~3x just for the chassis to be 24x nvme/U2 instead of 24x Sata/SAS.
And for little/no benefit in speeds. (A SATA raid with 24 drive will be maxing out your HBA and netting over 8-10GB/s sequentials, depending on HBA).
- They're great for servers, because I'm not paying the premium for SAS storage.
- They're great for old PCs and laptops, gives them a new life.
- They're great for modern PCs too, because most boards only give you two NVMe slots, plus they need PCIe lanes. SATA SSDs allow you to coninue adding speedy storage when you run out of slots, without needing an NVMe carrier card and without using more PCIe lanes.
I still use them for secondary storage like steam game libraries and such, ive only got so many PCIe lanes available on my old i7 10700k system and several devices fighting over them
For final storage, yes. But I often need to preprocess my data before storage. Deduping, repacking zips, etc is much slower on spinning rust. Also for high-use torrents that I see. Spinning rust uses much more power and the endless random access wears on it.
I can't believe these. Too many enterprise devices in mass rely on sas and sata. NVME requires too many pcie lanes to be used besides high performance storage solutions.
First Crucial, now Samsung. It does seem like a campaign against home labs, PC gaming, and any self hosting of anything that can be offered as a cloud / subscription service. A bleak future awaits us.
Unfortunately not. Traditional datacenters were built using commodity hardware, or something close to it. They were general purpose computers. AI datacenters use AI specific hardware. Racks of multi-GPU cards with high speed interconnects, specialized chips, and HBM memory. Not only is it ridiculously expensive, but if the AI bubble bursts, they will become useless for any other type of task.
Prices will NOT come down in 2026 and we are absolutely NOT at the peak prices right now. Prices are only going to increase for the next year so even though the prices are already high, it's better to buy now while you still can get parts or wait until 2027 because it is only going to get worse in the next 12+ months.
I have been in the PC industry since 1995 and as we all know, prices go up and down for all kinds of stupid reasons. Price gouging by the manufacturers, shortages, production facilities catching fire and so on. We have seen it all before but what is happening now is something completely different and unfortunately is here to stay for the foreseeable (immediate) future. Do NOT expect prices to come down until 2027!
I've been stewing on this and this is a huge deal - and honestly, IMO, worse than people realize. Samsung holds 30-40%+ of the consumer SATA market. The 860/870 EVO are probably the two best-selling SATA SSDs ever made.
But here's the kicker: Crucial just announced they're pulling back from consumer SSDs too.
So we're potentially losing BOTH the #1 and #2 trusted brands in SATA. That's 50-60% of the reliable supply just... gone.
Who's left?
WD/SanDisk (now basically the only tier-1 option)
Kioxia (capacity but weak consumer brand)
Kingston, TeamGroup, etc. (solid but smaller players)
Chinese brands (growing but trust concerns)
This isn't just "prices will go up" - this is "WD suddenly has near-monopoly pricing power in the trusted brand space."
Is anyone else seeing the same writing on the wall?
Is this even about what’s happening with production though? Is there any substantial reason not to go with an adapter/enclosure if you are still really committed to 2.5/sata/internal?
Just wait till "AI" make a massive blunder and causes lots of real world damage. Then this "AI" bubble (and it IS a bubble) will collapse and so will prices.
Fuck u/samaltman !
Yeah ssd prices are already through the roof. The 2tb 990 pro I bought for 170 3 weeks back is up to 210. That's a $40 or close to 25% jump. These used to go for $140 a year back.
I got 2x Samsung 870 QVO 8TB two years ago for 330€ each, the price is now at 1150€. O_O
I read this as 150 at first and got so excited. Then I tried to find that price. NOPE.
It was still $179 just a week ago, and I was waffling on whether I should grab one 🫠
In light of the DRAM prices, should I be glad it’s “only” a 25% increase?
Why would you buying a SSD for data hoarding?
HDDs are anyways better in datahoarding
SATA SSDs feel like they’re in a weird position where manufacturers are just trying to clear existing stock. There’s little reason for anyone to buy a SATA SSD over NVMe when building a new system.
Not if you wanna reuse the old device that had a HDD before, then sata ssd is still reliable.
There are many cheap af server chassis that offer 24x (or more) 2.5” slots for storage. They’re cheap because all you need for SATA/SAS is a lowly HBA and a basic expander backplane.
Meanwhile, nvme requires nominally 4x PCIE lanes each, and PCIE lanes are more scarce (even for server MBs/CPUs). Also if you want to “expand” this and have say 24x drives sharing 32 lanes like in the case of a SAS expander backplane, you need a PCIE switch chip in the backplane. This is considerably more expensive, both due to the hardware and also because it restricts you to newer generation chassis (not fully depreciated yet) and requires higher end/newer CPUs, for more lanes.
In practice you can expect to pay ~3x just for the chassis to be 24x nvme/U2 instead of 24x Sata/SAS.
And for little/no benefit in speeds. (A SATA raid with 24 drive will be maxing out your HBA and netting over 8-10GB/s sequentials, depending on HBA).
i guess those 5tb seagate drives will reign supreme afterall, if large ssd 2.5" is dying out
I got 2 of those lol and 6 empty slots - what should i be doing with those once I get some storage cash?
SATA SSDs are still great for many things.
- They're great for servers, because I'm not paying the premium for SAS storage.
- They're great for old PCs and laptops, gives them a new life.
- They're great for modern PCs too, because most boards only give you two NVMe slots, plus they need PCIe lanes. SATA SSDs allow you to coninue adding speedy storage when you run out of slots, without needing an NVMe carrier card and without using more PCIe lanes.
We really could do with SATA 4 at this point.
I still use them for secondary storage like steam game libraries and such, ive only got so many PCIe lanes available on my old i7 10700k system and several devices fighting over them
For client-side, there isn’t too much point in SATA as many such systems lack SATA altogether.
Servers on the other hand still frequently come with a lot of SATA expansion.
Enterprise storage?
Homelabs larping as enterprise storage?
I use it for L2ARC for my zfs setup. Also for main os drive when I’m setting up a new storage server for expanding my datahoard.
For final storage, yes. But I often need to preprocess my data before storage. Deduping, repacking zips, etc is much slower on spinning rust. Also for high-use torrents that I see. Spinning rust uses much more power and the endless random access wears on it.
Power draw and noise, mostly.
I want to use them for Immich, generally for things with many small files.
only retail SATA or enterprise SATA too?
That's SAS and U.2 lately (well, since 2015).
Keyword: SATA ?
Specifically sata
I can't believe these. Too many enterprise devices in mass rely on sas and sata. NVME requires too many pcie lanes to be used besides high performance storage solutions.
dont believe everything you hear online
Mmm. fear-mongering is what is going to make prices shoot through the roof.
Hey, did you hear about the TP shortage...?
Yup. it introduced me to the bidet.
First Crucial, now Samsung. It does seem like a campaign against home labs, PC gaming, and any self hosting of anything that can be offered as a cloud / subscription service. A bleak future awaits us.
Its sounds like some conspiracy brained shit but it keeps getting more true.
All part of the end goal
"you will own nothing and be happy"
3-5 years to the used goods flood from the ai data centers?
Unfortunately not. Traditional datacenters were built using commodity hardware, or something close to it. They were general purpose computers. AI datacenters use AI specific hardware. Racks of multi-GPU cards with high speed interconnects, specialized chips, and HBM memory. Not only is it ridiculously expensive, but if the AI bubble bursts, they will become useless for any other type of task.
You still need memory and storage.
You realize all those Nvidia AI racks use HBM memory? How are you going to repurpose that in a common PC?
Hmmm?
What you are thinking about is on the GPUs
So the chips could be reused for phones/laptops etc and return the budget market that ceases to exist due to higher prices for parts.
Prices will NOT come down in 2026 and we are absolutely NOT at the peak prices right now. Prices are only going to increase for the next year so even though the prices are already high, it's better to buy now while you still can get parts or wait until 2027 because it is only going to get worse in the next 12+ months.
I have been in the PC industry since 1995 and as we all know, prices go up and down for all kinds of stupid reasons. Price gouging by the manufacturers, shortages, production facilities catching fire and so on. We have seen it all before but what is happening now is something completely different and unfortunately is here to stay for the foreseeable (immediate) future. Do NOT expect prices to come down until 2027!
Good for getting an older system to have a pretty good OS drive. I'll see if I can get a few to keep on hand for that purpose.
well that's unfortunate. :/
it's funny OP's reaction to a company giving the middle finger to retail customers , is "give them your money now!"
I've been stewing on this and this is a huge deal - and honestly, IMO, worse than people realize. Samsung holds 30-40%+ of the consumer SATA market. The 860/870 EVO are probably the two best-selling SATA SSDs ever made.
But here's the kicker: Crucial just announced they're pulling back from consumer SSDs too.
So we're potentially losing BOTH the #1 and #2 trusted brands in SATA. That's 50-60% of the reliable supply just... gone.
Who's left?
This isn't just "prices will go up" - this is "WD suddenly has near-monopoly pricing power in the trusted brand space."
Is anyone else seeing the same writing on the wall?
Don't worry. You can buy a 256TB SSD on AliExpress for around $10. I'm sure they're trustworthy. /s
no
Is this even about what’s happening with production though? Is there any substantial reason not to go with an adapter/enclosure if you are still really committed to 2.5/sata/internal?
Yes, and what do adapters have to do with this? SATA SSD was popular because it was cheap, not because of the form factor.
Just wait till "AI" make a massive blunder and causes lots of real world damage. Then this "AI" bubble (and it IS a bubble) will collapse and so will prices.