I have, i just am tired of hearing the same joke over and over for 6 years. The same dry, direspectful, unknowledged joke that not only isn't funny but has even a complete disregard to Anatoly Dyatlov, a man who is fucking dead.
A lot of Chernobyl history nerds are strange. There is a video of an interview with Dyatlov in which he seems like a reasonable person, and he obviously denies responsibility. To his credit, he became very vocal about the flaws of RBMK reactor design to spread caution about them. The nerds have latched onto those things and have formed the opinion that he was a decent guy in the Chernobyl disaster.
They ignorantly ignore that as a supervisor in a high risk industry, he has responsibility to know the warning signs, take heed to warning signs, stop unsafe situations to resolve them, and above all, not disregard red flags. He also was a jerk of a supervisor, which likely contributed in others remaining silent during the disaster when they saw warning signs (US aviation has studied the effect of leaders like him and they now address it in CRM training and such).
Sure, history and the HBO miniseries completely villainizes him, and he was unknowingly working with a flawed reactor design, but he still bares a lot of responsibility for the disaster.
Of course he ran the test however the way you phrased it sounds as if you put him to blame.
He was supervisor for the test; his position was ZGIS-2; Deputy Chief Engineer of Operations of Phase 2 at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant. Phase 2 refers to units 3 and 4.
Yes he died in '95 that is not the part i was quoting from.
People are referencing the drama series Chernobyl. I believe it is on Netflix, or at least was at one point. It’s a great watch if you haven’t seen it. Not 100% accurate as the show has to speed certain events along to condense things into a show format, but the overarching historical facts and narratives are spot on; with many real stories being told within the show. Plus the acting is great and every scene looks amazing. It’s a really great show that I would recommend watching OP.
Im sure I watched it on Netflix, or maybe Disney+? As it’s the only two service I have. Perhaps I pirated it, but I don’t think I did 🤷🏻♂️ either way, I appreciate the clarification for anyone who may want to check it out
I know about it. Everyone here in Chernobyl community online AND Chornobyl community of zone workers IRL does not like it due to reversing whole decades of clearing misinformation about the disaster, and has put the public back to square one, with soviet propaganda from the 80s taking dominant place. Almost every single scene in that show is innacurate to IRL.
People think when we say its innacurate that we mean minor things, like the date of the helo crash, or the men who (didn't) look into the core. We mean a complete reversal of the truth and what happened, putting Anatoly Dyatlov (a hero) as some evil villain and Valery Legasov (a soviet party man spreading lies) as some truth loving hero.
This is the actual first photograph of the Chernobyl incident. Not the one that is floating around. There is still steam rising from the exposed reactor core in this photo.
Again, referring to the Chernobyl show. But basically a safety test was being conducted by the engineers at the time the reactor exploded. Ironic, I know.
The operators, in violation of procedures, shut off the safety systems that would have prevented the event because they didn't want the systems to cloud results of the test.
Read better. This is part of the international section spanning Pages 10-12. The biggest error is failing to realise just how significant these pages are. The INSAG authors reference INSAG-1 from 1986. They even say "These insights have led to a need to revise some of the details of the scenario presented in INSAG-1, and to alter some important conclusions"
The INSAG-7 authors failed to correct many things in 10-12 and refused to elaborate until later pages. Most of the allegations against operators were being refuted. If you compare page 10-12 of INSAG-7 and and then pages 22-23 of INSAG-1, you find that one serious accusation stands, the ORM.
It stands that the experts still get it wrong. There's probably a youtube video about it as i spoke to a content creator who was going to make a video on it.
INSAG-7 determined all the allegations to be false, except the ORM violation. This since has also been disproven by the Unit 3 and 4 operators themselves, even E block operators. INSAG even discloses an ORM of 26-30 at one point.
I am not a content creatory, what do yiu mean?
Yes the experts got it wrong, 30 years ago. IAEA has actually suggested ratifying INSAG-7 however they chose not too as it is low priority.
Dude, just because i am correct and literally proved everyone wrong with sources doesn't mean you should go cry and call names, you should just go learn things. r/chernobyl will answer your questions with facts and not HBO bullhickey if you want.
And the emergency shutdown button (AZ-5) that was supposed to saved them from catastrophic meltdown is what caused the explosion. 😅 Life is full of ironies.
It was terrifying, the Soviets refusing to let assistance from the West in to help. The Germans, Americans, etc had the technology, equipment, and scientific know-how to seriously help stop this thing in its tracks and the damned Soviets wouldn't provide any real information or let anyone in.
I was a teenager, and we (i.e. I and my peers) were so scared that the USSR was just going to let everyone get poisoned because of their stupid Iron Curtain bullshit. We were also terrified that this could happen here in the US. My father is a physicist-turned-computer scientist (who had worked in nuclear power in New York in the '70s) and I asked him so many questions. I was so grateful to him for explaining clearly and patiently to me about nuclear reactors, how they work, what they do, and the difference between the ones in the USSR and USA/Western nations that made a disaster like this highly unlikely (close to impossible) to happen here. He also explained what might possibly had happened at Chernobyl, and different possible scenarios.
The Germans were willing to send them a robot to clear the roof, and the HBO show explains that the Soviet’s informed Germany that the highest recorded levels of radiation were 2000 Roentgen.
What the show doesn’t explain is that the Germans naturally assumed it was the propaganda number, so they sent a robot rated for 6000 Roentgen.
They had no idea the actual recorded value would be 15000. The real value was likely even higher.
They were obsessed with keeping up appearances, which just made everything worse.
I meant the first photo of the accident, sorry.. The first photo of the plant is probably the photos taken when the first cube of foundation was laid, dozens of people came to celebrate, like an inauguration.
The name of the city is Chornobyl, as it is in Ukrainian. Russians just came and named the NPP in the russian sylized version "Chernobyl.".
Also the city of the workers is Pripyat, which was purpose built for the construction workers building the facility, its located west of ChAES. Chornobyl is a town/city that has existed since at least the 12th century, and was primarily a Jewish settlement prior to ww2, it is south of ChAES.
Because most of the radiation is being directed upwards. The remaining bioshield is blocking most of it, and the camera is too far away to be affected by the radioactive graphite blown all over the roof and ground. If they flew over the open reactor, the film would likely be affected.
Ionization most certainly can affect analog film. I just looked into it -
"Igor Kostin’s first helicopter photo (April 26, 1986, ~14 hours after the explosion) became iconic. He said all his negatives were ruined except one, which still showed fogging but no obvious “radiation dots”"
This is not Igor Kostin's, i posted an explanation comment but for some reason its blocked in this sub and specifically this sub and idk what to do about it.
During causal analysis training at the nuclear power plant I worked at for 35 years.
It's generally sanitized to say:
"Operator Errors and Training Gaps: Operators, under pressure from deputy chief engineer Anatoly Dyatlov, ignored safety protocols and conducted the test in unsafe conditions. They weren’t fully trained on the reactor’s quirks."
The "unsafe condition" was disabling safety systems.
That is clearly from INSAG-1, not INSAG-7 as that isn't true. The only thing i could infer to be "true" is training gaps, as operators of every RBMK were not informed of the Positive Scram Effect and it's explosive ability under the beta eff level of the positive void coefficient and high fuel burnup levels.. Plus the steam effect and positive power coefficient.
There is no known operator violation that puts them in jeaporady;
The low power violation was NOT requiring an immideate shutdown, only an explanatory note.
The operators were unaware of the ORM due to a missing shift thus they cannot be blamed, and this also only required an explanatory note.
Disabling of ECCS and CPS (the safety system you afformentioned) was mandatory for the test, and wouldn't have affected the disaster anyways.
Anatoly Dyatlov did NOT ignore safety conditions nor conducted the test in unsafe conditions. What were these unsafe conditions you speak of?
The battle of chernobyl is a great documentary on the incidentl and has an interview with this photographer. he talks about only getting a few pictures before the battery broke and after processing the images he found them all pixilated due to the radiation but he didnt know at the time.
No, The Battle of Chernobyl interviews Igor Kostin, who lied about taking another photograph from May he claims was 14 hours after. I fucking HATE igor kostin with all my mind
I posted an explanation comment however for some reaosn the comment is shadow blocked, and only in this subreddit is it blocked.
Time was their protection. heavy gear would slow them down.
radiation is reduced in 3 ways on order of effectiveness
1: distance, square cube law, twice the distance is four times the loss in in dose, obviously yiu can't use that when your clearing the roof
2' time, obvious. the roof runners were limited to seconds, yiu get up, you run, you chuck.a piece in, you run back
3: shielding, the roofs were so hot that you'd need ten inchs of lead, leads heavy, anything less and it doesn't really matter and might even harm. due to backscatter.
so the bio roboti were given the best defense they could,time, and they did their job and lived
I remember a TV feature that aired some years later where an official was standing next to a worker and had that poor guy get some water from the tank used to keep some control on the reactor then drink it. Just to show Western tv it was supposedly safe... the worker's despair remains in my mind to this day
that's a picture I've never seen before which makes me sceptical, but it's late and things look right. man I wish I could have seen it during the liquidation. the interviews with the liquidators and especially the Biorobiti are some incredible stuff.
my favorite pictures are the gamma camera double exposure pictures if you ever see em
How does the radiation reaction work on a human body ?? I've heard many people who were a few miles away,die with in a few weeks (due to exposure to the radiation) and quite a few who were close by or even went inside the reactor that went on to live a long life!!
What you heard isn't true. The people who died and are listed in the official death toll (of 30) were close if not in/on the nuclear power plant. The furthest victims were 3 security guards each whom were several hundreds of meters from the plant when it exploded and radioactive water rained on them, and for one of them, nuclear fuel landed near their post.
People miles away have passed in the years since, but from cancers, not radiation sickness.
People who have gone inside didn't spend long inside and stayed away from hotspots.
Oh,so it also depends upon the time that they spent within the reactor?! I was talking about the people who were watching the after math of the blast,from that infamous bridge... Apparently,they all died due to the radiation!
"The Bridge of Death" claims have never been verified. Yes they're included in the "Chernobyl" miniseries, but there's no proof anyone there died as a direct result of the accident.
A few employees got next to it and died within weeks.
What you are referencing is the crew who went diving in the flooded tunnels, the water helped protect them from radiation. And they were not "inside the reactor"
There is generally 2 types of radiation exposure, external and internal.
What you would experience if you just passed by like this helicopter would be external exposure, its just light(gamma, x rays) , beta radiation(electrons) and alpha radiation( 2proton2 neutron- helium nucleus)
Alpha doesnt penetrate skin very well, beta is stopped by thin metal, and even if not, it doesnt do that much damage when it hits the skin.
Gamma radiation penetrates most things, and does a lot of damage.
But still - it does much less damage than Alpha and Beta(because they are actual particles with mass)- its just that they get blocked by stuff fairly easily.
Now the 2nd type of exposure is internal. That happens when you ingest radioactive material- either eat it or inhale it.
Now the material continues to release the radiation- except inside you- which makes it much more dangerous.
Now the alpha radiation is by far the most dangerous, followed by beta radiation, gamma not so much(and there wouldnt be much released by particles you ingest anyways).
People that got next to the reactor and died within weeks got an insanely high external exposure dose.
Those people miles away that were sitting on a bridge- inhaled the particles carried by the wind, and suffered a lot of damage from internal exposure
"First of all , nobody went inside the reactor." You mean the core, the building, or the hall?
"What you are referencing is the crew who went diving in the flooded tunnels, the water helped protect them from radiation."
Who went diving in the flooded "tunnels"? You mean the may 8 divers?
"Those people miles away that were sitting on a bridge- inhaled the particles carried by the wind, and suffered a lot of damage from internal exposure" There was no bridge.
The New Safe Confinement (not the sarcophagus, sarcophagus is older) was damaged in february to a Shahed drone, its not leaking radiation but will no longer be a safe confinement to dismantle unit 4 in.
Is that graphite on the roof?!?
Not possible.
Is it possible you saw burnt concrete?
Do you taste metal?
You didn't see graphite
YOU DIDN'T!
You idiots blew the tank!
I don't think that would be legible from this picture quality.
He didn’t see it because it wasn’t there
?
You must’ve never seen the mini series Chernobyl.
Or understand society humour.
No I definitely think you'd need to see Chernobyl itself for some of these references. They don't work on their own.
Yup. You're definitely missing out on a great series if you haven't watch. It's both entertaining and educational.
No, there are just basic Soviet/socialist jokes.
As someone born and living in post soviet ukraine, no they aren't, or they are some shitty american take on it.
Non American Kid of a Soviet refugees… we all get these kinds of jokes.
I have, i just am tired of hearing the same joke over and over for 6 years. The same dry, direspectful, unknowledged joke that not only isn't funny but has even a complete disregard to Anatoly Dyatlov, a man who is fucking dead.
You mean the guy who ran the test that led to the whole disaster?
Whom lived until 1995?
Weird take man. Weird weird take.
It was almost 40 years ago. Most of the people involved are dead.
"You mean the guy who ran the test that led to the whole disaster?"
Oh no.. You're one of the HBO conspiracy theorists who believed what they saw on the show, didn't you?
You saying he didn't live till 1995 or didn't run the test?
Was he not supervisor for the test?
I've never seen the show FYI. I live in Australia and HBO isn't real popular here yet.
A lot of Chernobyl history nerds are strange. There is a video of an interview with Dyatlov in which he seems like a reasonable person, and he obviously denies responsibility. To his credit, he became very vocal about the flaws of RBMK reactor design to spread caution about them. The nerds have latched onto those things and have formed the opinion that he was a decent guy in the Chernobyl disaster.
They ignorantly ignore that as a supervisor in a high risk industry, he has responsibility to know the warning signs, take heed to warning signs, stop unsafe situations to resolve them, and above all, not disregard red flags. He also was a jerk of a supervisor, which likely contributed in others remaining silent during the disaster when they saw warning signs (US aviation has studied the effect of leaders like him and they now address it in CRM training and such).
Sure, history and the HBO miniseries completely villainizes him, and he was unknowingly working with a flawed reactor design, but he still bares a lot of responsibility for the disaster.
Of course he ran the test however the way you phrased it sounds as if you put him to blame.
He was supervisor for the test; his position was ZGIS-2; Deputy Chief Engineer of Operations of Phase 2 at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant. Phase 2 refers to units 3 and 4.
Yes he died in '95 that is not the part i was quoting from.
People are referencing the drama series Chernobyl. I believe it is on Netflix, or at least was at one point. It’s a great watch if you haven’t seen it. Not 100% accurate as the show has to speed certain events along to condense things into a show format, but the overarching historical facts and narratives are spot on; with many real stories being told within the show. Plus the acting is great and every scene looks amazing. It’s a really great show that I would recommend watching OP.
It is a HBO series, not Netflix.
Im sure I watched it on Netflix, or maybe Disney+? As it’s the only two service I have. Perhaps I pirated it, but I don’t think I did 🤷🏻♂️ either way, I appreciate the clarification for anyone who may want to check it out
You pirated it
I know about it. Everyone here in Chernobyl community online AND Chornobyl community of zone workers IRL does not like it due to reversing whole decades of clearing misinformation about the disaster, and has put the public back to square one, with soviet propaganda from the 80s taking dominant place. Almost every single scene in that show is innacurate to IRL.
People think when we say its innacurate that we mean minor things, like the date of the helo crash, or the men who (didn't) look into the core. We mean a complete reversal of the truth and what happened, putting Anatoly Dyatlov (a hero) as some evil villain and Valery Legasov (a soviet party man spreading lies) as some truth loving hero.
Is there a list of things the HBO miniseries gets wrong? I would like to read up on the real events
A written list? Too big. There's a youtube series by That Chernobyl Guy on the topic.
Totally agree. Chernobyl was a great series. Very well done. I was only disappointed they didn’t include the discovery of the “Elephants foot”
The Elephant's foot isn't that significant to the story of Chernobyl, just very cool.
This is the actual first photograph of the Chernobyl incident. Not the one that is floating around. There is still steam rising from the exposed reactor core in this photo.
Looks fine what’s the big deal get back to work comrade.
Take him to the infirmary! He’s delusional.
Well, Chernobyl plant worked for 14 more years after the explosion
"Sir, it appears that this roll of film has already been developed"
Is that you kodak ?
My sinuses are blocked. Is that steam okay to breathe in?
I'm sure it will be fine. Continue with the safety test!
What? What safety test?
That's the spirit!
Again, referring to the Chernobyl show. But basically a safety test was being conducted by the engineers at the time the reactor exploded. Ironic, I know.
The operators, in violation of procedures, shut off the safety systems that would have prevented the event because they didn't want the systems to cloud results of the test.
Lol what where'd you hear that? Chernobyl HBO? Wikipedia???
Hilarious joke, my friend.
Go to page 10, item 1. This is an International Atomic Energy Association updated report of the Chernobyl accident.
https://www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/publications/PDF/Pub913e_web.pdf
Read better. This is part of the international section spanning Pages 10-12. The biggest error is failing to realise just how significant these pages are. The INSAG authors reference INSAG-1 from 1986. They even say "These insights have led to a need to revise some of the details of the scenario presented in INSAG-1, and to alter some important conclusions"
The INSAG-7 authors failed to correct many things in 10-12 and refused to elaborate until later pages. Most of the allegations against operators were being refuted. If you compare page 10-12 of INSAG-7 and and then pages 22-23 of INSAG-1, you find that one serious accusation stands, the ORM.
It stands that the experts still get it wrong. There's probably a youtube video about it as i spoke to a content creator who was going to make a video on it.
INSAG-7 determined all the allegations to be false, except the ORM violation. This since has also been disproven by the Unit 3 and 4 operators themselves, even E block operators. INSAG even discloses an ORM of 26-30 at one point.
"The experts got it wrong, this content creator on YouTube 40 years later definitely right because my feelings say so" youre the worst
I am not a content creatory, what do yiu mean?
Yes the experts got it wrong, 30 years ago. IAEA has actually suggested ratifying INSAG-7 however they chose not too as it is low priority.
Dude, just because i am correct and literally proved everyone wrong with sources doesn't mean you should go cry and call names, you should just go learn things. r/chernobyl will answer your questions with facts and not HBO bullhickey if you want.
You are peak redditor. Go outside and talk to real people
okay i found a vid for you;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh3K1p7gK6I&
And the emergency shutdown button (AZ-5) that was supposed to saved them from catastrophic meltdown is what caused the explosion. 😅 Life is full of ironies.
It wasn't a safety test, it was part of the Turbine Rundown Program, followed by maintanence shutdown.
The night shift didn’t know about the test either
That pretty Rad...
Hehe... rad...
Not great not terrible
I rate it 3.6 out of 3.6!
Aaaand jokes over.
Not great, not terrible
3.6/10
We got this…
“Vasily, get shit load of concrete”.
“Tell the committee we are making Lenin statues”.
Not terrible photo, very terrible event
I remember this disaster so well.
It was terrifying, the Soviets refusing to let assistance from the West in to help. The Germans, Americans, etc had the technology, equipment, and scientific know-how to seriously help stop this thing in its tracks and the damned Soviets wouldn't provide any real information or let anyone in.
I was a teenager, and we (i.e. I and my peers) were so scared that the USSR was just going to let everyone get poisoned because of their stupid Iron Curtain bullshit. We were also terrified that this could happen here in the US. My father is a physicist-turned-computer scientist (who had worked in nuclear power in New York in the '70s) and I asked him so many questions. I was so grateful to him for explaining clearly and patiently to me about nuclear reactors, how they work, what they do, and the difference between the ones in the USSR and USA/Western nations that made a disaster like this highly unlikely (close to impossible) to happen here. He also explained what might possibly had happened at Chernobyl, and different possible scenarios.
The Germans were willing to send them a robot to clear the roof, and the HBO show explains that the Soviet’s informed Germany that the highest recorded levels of radiation were 2000 Roentgen.
What the show doesn’t explain is that the Germans naturally assumed it was the propaganda number, so they sent a robot rated for 6000 Roentgen.
They had no idea the actual recorded value would be 15000. The real value was likely even higher.
They were obsessed with keeping up appearances, which just made everything worse.
There’s no way that’s the first one. They had to have taken some during construction.
I meant the first photo of the accident, sorry.. The first photo of the plant is probably the photos taken when the first cube of foundation was laid, dozens of people came to celebrate, like an inauguration.
Think they’re trolling or stupid. Wouldn’t worry about it.
Perhaps they really like trains and correctness :)
No actually i'm not autistic
angry upvote
OP meant the first photo of the disaster
Yeah no shit. Can no one here take a joke without screaming out that its sarcasm in the same sentence?
Yeah but this isn't the first photo!"!!!1
Can everyone stop posting pointless dumb jokes.
They aren't even people.
Yes but then want would relentless bores complain about?
They might complain about spelling mistakes.
Whooosh
It clearly says first photo of Chernobyl, yet this is the Nuclear Reactor number 4 after the disaster.
Chernobyl is actually a city nearby where the workers lived.
The name of the city is Chornobyl, as it is in Ukrainian. Russians just came and named the NPP in the russian sylized version "Chernobyl.".
Also the city of the workers is Pripyat, which was purpose built for the construction workers building the facility, its located west of ChAES. Chornobyl is a town/city that has existed since at least the 12th century, and was primarily a Jewish settlement prior to ww2, it is south of ChAES.
You're just being needlessly pedantic
Why isn't the photo warped by those ionization dots from high-energy EM?
Because most of the radiation is being directed upwards. The remaining bioshield is blocking most of it, and the camera is too far away to be affected by the radioactive graphite blown all over the roof and ground. If they flew over the open reactor, the film would likely be affected.
I SAID FLY DIRECTLY OVER IT!
This was taken with camera roll, not digital.
Ionization most certainly can affect analog film. I just looked into it -
"Igor Kostin’s first helicopter photo (April 26, 1986, ~14 hours after the explosion) became iconic. He said all his negatives were ruined except one, which still showed fogging but no obvious “radiation dots”"
This is not Igor Kostin's, i posted an explanation comment but for some reason its blocked in this sub and specifically this sub and idk what to do about it.
so why do you not want to run film through an x-ray machine?
During causal analysis training at the nuclear power plant I worked at for 35 years.
It's generally sanitized to say:
"Operator Errors and Training Gaps: Operators, under pressure from deputy chief engineer Anatoly Dyatlov, ignored safety protocols and conducted the test in unsafe conditions. They weren’t fully trained on the reactor’s quirks."
The "unsafe condition" was disabling safety systems.
That is clearly from INSAG-1, not INSAG-7 as that isn't true. The only thing i could infer to be "true" is training gaps, as operators of every RBMK were not informed of the Positive Scram Effect and it's explosive ability under the beta eff level of the positive void coefficient and high fuel burnup levels.. Plus the steam effect and positive power coefficient.
There is no known operator violation that puts them in jeaporady;
The low power violation was NOT requiring an immideate shutdown, only an explanatory note.
The operators were unaware of the ORM due to a missing shift thus they cannot be blamed, and this also only required an explanatory note.
Disabling of ECCS and CPS (the safety system you afformentioned) was mandatory for the test, and wouldn't have affected the disaster anyways.
Anatoly Dyatlov did NOT ignore safety conditions nor conducted the test in unsafe conditions. What were these unsafe conditions you speak of?
I took it directly from 7
That is amazing.
That is an edited photo. Here is one closer to the original
That one was taken a few seconds later. It's a different picture
How is it such a clear image compared to the originals?
This is the originals, those are edited.
I remember that accident well. It really interesting to see the video of what it looks like now. A place frozen in time.
Don't worry, drone strikes are unfreezing it, comrade!
To be fair, they struggle making accurate strikes so the size of it is a big plus.
Plus zero civilians casualties. Just a bunch of mutated deer.
And dogs too, there's a lot of them there.
Wow not seen this - is that steam coming from the reactor core?
Yeah, water was flowing in and around it and boiling until the flow of water stopped
The battle of chernobyl is a great documentary on the incidentl and has an interview with this photographer. he talks about only getting a few pictures before the battery broke and after processing the images he found them all pixilated due to the radiation but he didnt know at the time.
No, The Battle of Chernobyl interviews Igor Kostin, who lied about taking another photograph from May he claims was 14 hours after. I fucking HATE igor kostin with all my mind
I posted an explanation comment however for some reaosn the comment is shadow blocked, and only in this subreddit is it blocked.
https://www.reddit.com/r/HolyShitHistory/comments/1pmid2a/comment/nu02q4n/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
You’re really fucking invested in this.
And i'm correct
hope that feels really good for you.
How long was this photo taken after the initial explosion?
It's from 15:06 on April 26th. Explosion was at 01:23
Soviet Union/Russia: nah, it’s fine. Also, send a bunch of people on the roof with barely any protective gear.
Firstly, they had the best gear the could secondly, what was the better option? Let it contaminate everything?
Lol best gear they could. And no, I agree there really wasn’t a better option once the robots failed. It’s just a different time and place nowadays.
Time was their protection. heavy gear would slow them down.
radiation is reduced in 3 ways on order of effectiveness
1: distance, square cube law, twice the distance is four times the loss in in dose, obviously yiu can't use that when your clearing the roof
2' time, obvious. the roof runners were limited to seconds, yiu get up, you run, you chuck.a piece in, you run back
3: shielding, the roofs were so hot that you'd need ten inchs of lead, leads heavy, anything less and it doesn't really matter and might even harm. due to backscatter.
so the bio roboti were given the best defense they could,time, and they did their job and lived
the front fell off
Good gawd.
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That’s hot!
Not great, but not horrifying
I’m surprised the radiation didn’t ruin the film.
… after the explosion
What is this?
Looks like 10 Roentgen
Ive heard its the equivalent of a chest ray exam. Not great not terrible then
I remember a TV feature that aired some years later where an official was standing next to a worker and had that poor guy get some water from the tank used to keep some control on the reactor then drink it. Just to show Western tv it was supposedly safe... the worker's despair remains in my mind to this day
that's a picture I've never seen before which makes me sceptical, but it's late and things look right. man I wish I could have seen it during the liquidation. the interviews with the liquidators and especially the Biorobiti are some incredible stuff.
my favorite pictures are the gamma camera double exposure pictures if you ever see em
Are you coming to work tomorrow?
Pretty sure there were some pics of it before the accident.
So tell me…
tell you what
Rods go boom
Tickely sticks go boom
That cameraman didn’t make it ☠️☠️☠️
He did, until 2010, his name was Anatoly Rasskazov.
How does the radiation reaction work on a human body ?? I've heard many people who were a few miles away,die with in a few weeks (due to exposure to the radiation) and quite a few who were close by or even went inside the reactor that went on to live a long life!!
What you heard isn't true. The people who died and are listed in the official death toll (of 30) were close if not in/on the nuclear power plant. The furthest victims were 3 security guards each whom were several hundreds of meters from the plant when it exploded and radioactive water rained on them, and for one of them, nuclear fuel landed near their post.
People miles away have passed in the years since, but from cancers, not radiation sickness.
People who have gone inside didn't spend long inside and stayed away from hotspots.
Two workers died immediately from the trauma of the reactor steam explosion and building collapse.
Oh,so it also depends upon the time that they spent within the reactor?! I was talking about the people who were watching the after math of the blast,from that infamous bridge... Apparently,they all died due to the radiation!
"The Bridge of Death" claims have never been verified. Yes they're included in the "Chernobyl" miniseries, but there's no proof anyone there died as a direct result of the accident.
The helicopter crews didn’t do well long-term as well if I’m not mistaken?
they were fine mostly
First of all , nobody went inside the reactor.
A few employees got next to it and died within weeks.
What you are referencing is the crew who went diving in the flooded tunnels, the water helped protect them from radiation. And they were not "inside the reactor"
There is generally 2 types of radiation exposure, external and internal.
What you would experience if you just passed by like this helicopter would be external exposure, its just light(gamma, x rays) , beta radiation(electrons) and alpha radiation( 2proton2 neutron- helium nucleus)
Alpha doesnt penetrate skin very well, beta is stopped by thin metal, and even if not, it doesnt do that much damage when it hits the skin.
Gamma radiation penetrates most things, and does a lot of damage.
But still - it does much less damage than Alpha and Beta(because they are actual particles with mass)- its just that they get blocked by stuff fairly easily.
Now the 2nd type of exposure is internal. That happens when you ingest radioactive material- either eat it or inhale it.
Now the material continues to release the radiation- except inside you- which makes it much more dangerous.
Now the alpha radiation is by far the most dangerous, followed by beta radiation, gamma not so much(and there wouldnt be much released by particles you ingest anyways).
People that got next to the reactor and died within weeks got an insanely high external exposure dose.
Those people miles away that were sitting on a bridge- inhaled the particles carried by the wind, and suffered a lot of damage from internal exposure
"First of all , nobody went inside the reactor." You mean the core, the building, or the hall?
"What you are referencing is the crew who went diving in the flooded tunnels, the water helped protect them from radiation."
Who went diving in the flooded "tunnels"? You mean the may 8 divers?
"Those people miles away that were sitting on a bridge- inhaled the particles carried by the wind, and suffered a lot of damage from internal exposure" There was no bridge.
The bridge is real, located about 2km from Reactor 4, and offered a view of the disaster.
Some people did get sick from exposure, but not all died.
By the reactor i mean the core, i guess you can classify the reactor hall as reactor.
Anyways only a few people went in there(maybe only 1 , i cant remember) and they all died
Nobody went in the reactor hall on april 26th
The gamma rays rip apart DNA, thus causing the body to basically die at those points. It is a godawful way to die.
Ohkay! Thanks for the detailed explanation... Honestly,I was basing most of my claims from the Chernobyl series.😅.
I'm sure there were pictures taken of the plant before it blew up.
You didn’t see graphic, your delusional, take him to the infirmary
Looks pretty graphic to me.
Is this a sentence?
No it’s not but it might be the first photo of the Chernobyl disaster
Pretty sure there are plenty of photos of Chernobyl before this. It was operational for over 4 years before it exploded.
There isn’t a single photo before the explosion?
Of course there is, no need to be a smartass, alright?
Maybe try wording your titles properly.
Lighten up, Frances .
Maybe try lightening up then
And the person who took it and their pilot probably died.
Not immediately after, see my explanation comment. https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/1pminhe/comment/nu08enh/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
There is noise?
Ok, first one post accident photo, I recently read the sarcophagus is damaged from the war and potentially leaking radiation ☢️
The New Safe Confinement (not the sarcophagus, sarcophagus is older) was damaged in february to a Shahed drone, its not leaking radiation but will no longer be a safe confinement to dismantle unit 4 in.
the NSC was attacked within the last 2 weeks
No it wasn't, it was February 14th
Motherfucker. I can read the news, can you?
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c98nldr06l2o jfc
This was after the commission report was complete.
This article doesn't mention a date.
This does, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_Nuclear_Power_Plant_drone_strike
Drone pic?
In 1986? Um... No.
They used drones to clean a lot of it up?
N-No?
They did https://chernobylx.com/chernobyl-robots/
Not only does this site not mention drones at all, these robots ceased to function under the radiation.
Its the same thing
Drones and robots are NOT the same.... AT ALL.
How are they different? They are both remotely operated and mechanical?
BECAUSE DRONES FLY.
This photo was taken by magic film, not affected by ionizing radiation. NOT!
Are you claming that it isn't real because you can't see radiation?
This is why the public perception on how radiation works (including interactions with film) needs to be fixed.