merry christmas eve everyone if you start watching black sails now you can finish before the new year
“Odysseus, on his journey home to Ithaca, was visited by a ghost. The ghost tells him that once he reaches his home, once he slays all his enemies and sets his house in order, he must do one last thing before he can rest. The ghost tells him to pick up an oar and walk inland and keep walking until someone mistakes that oar for a shovel. For that would be the place that no man had ever been troubled by the sea. And that’s where he’d find peace. In the end, that’s all I want. To walk away from the sea and find some peace.” - Captain Flint
The Lost Books Of The Odyssey - a collection of short stories riffing freely on the concept and themes of Odysseus - includes one story that features Odysseus in the Underworld. He’s still walking, with his oar weighing him down, after untold ages. This is his punishment.
"When the sun rises in the West and sets in the East. When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. When your womb quakens again, and you bear a living child.
Then he will return and not before."
I wonder if the ancient Greeks would have interpreted Tiresias's words in the same spirit. That he was basically telling Odysseus in cryptic terms "you will never find peace".
The ghost tells him thatonce he reaches his home, once he slays all his enemies and sets his house in order, he must do one last thing before he can rest. The ghost tells him to pick up an oar and walk inland...
Odysseus' home is the island of Ithaca. He cannot walk inland.
Do you read the Ionic-Aeolic dialect of ancient Greek that the Odyssey is preserved in? I think playing word games with an English translation is quite possibly pointless, but I'm curious what the expression in the original Greek could also be translated as
I got curious and looked up a couple different translations, at least - it looks like it's translated as "journey" or the like rather than "walk" a lot of the time
Did...did you read the quote we're talking about? There is no place on Ithaca where they wouldn't know what an oar is. In fact, it's a mountainous island, so you can probably see the ocean from every point on it.
Sssssure. Whatever you like. The ghost telling Odysseus to go home, get his house in order, and walk inland actually means he should go home, get his house in order, sail to an entirely different kingdom after a twenty-year journey to get back there, and then walk inland with an oar.
Is anyone going to sit here with me and appreciate the tragedy of Billy Bones and the single lie that Flint convinces him to tell in the first episode, leading to the utter wreck of this man?
But I should really rewatch the show. And probably reread Treasure Island too. A lot of it is rather faded in my mind.
Billy Bones, who starts off as the most likeable and decent character on the show, and progresses through logical and understandable character development into the most loathsome bastard you’ve ever seen.
Also, peak ace representation. “Do we really need the fuck tent?”
Yes, exactly! And I do really have to watch it again, but I remember I kept thinking back to that one lie and how it simultaneously tied Billy to Flint and distanced him from the rest of the men, putting him on a very different path. (The death of Gates was also pretty important to how he developed too.)
it has almost the exact opposite trajectory of GoT too, just gets better and better as it goes. (not that the first season is BAD, but I personally think it is better on rewatch, once you actually get what's going on in Flint's head throughout)
I really liked that show until it became a bunch of sad melodramatic pirates all wanting to fuck the wrong person lounging around Nassau not doing much.
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merry christmas eve everyone if you start watching black sails now you can finish before the new year
“Odysseus, on his journey home to Ithaca, was visited by a ghost. The ghost tells him that once he reaches his home, once he slays all his enemies and sets his house in order, he must do one last thing before he can rest. The ghost tells him to pick up an oar and walk inland and keep walking until someone mistakes that oar for a shovel. For that would be the place that no man had ever been troubled by the sea. And that’s where he’d find peace. In the end, that’s all I want. To walk away from the sea and find some peace.” - Captain Flint
Poetic words but Ithaca is about 45 square miles and he'd walk back into the ocean before finding someone who thinks it's a shovel.
No wonder he gets killed by his love child.
The Lost Books Of The Odyssey - a collection of short stories riffing freely on the concept and themes of Odysseus - includes one story that features Odysseus in the Underworld. He’s still walking, with his oar weighing him down, after untold ages. This is his punishment.
That sounds like it's more riffing off of Dante, who did put Odysseus down in Fraud as punishment for his sins in Inferno
"When the sun rises in the West and sets in the East. When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. When your womb quakens again, and you bear a living child. Then he will return and not before."
I wonder if the ancient Greeks would have interpreted Tiresias's words in the same spirit. That he was basically telling Odysseus in cryptic terms "you will never find peace".
Sounds like maybe that wouldn't be what's being referred to as "inland" then, just a hunch
The ghost tells him that once he reaches his home, once he slays all his enemies and sets his house in order, he must do one last thing before he can rest. The ghost tells him to pick up an oar and walk inland...
Odysseus' home is the island of Ithaca. He cannot walk inland.
Do you read the Ionic-Aeolic dialect of ancient Greek that the Odyssey is preserved in? I think playing word games with an English translation is quite possibly pointless, but I'm curious what the expression in the original Greek could also be translated as
I got curious and looked up a couple different translations, at least - it looks like it's translated as "journey" or the like rather than "walk" a lot of the time
Ha, looking up multiple translations is a clever trick! I hadn't thought of that, it's a good one :)
After I get home today I have to walk to the store. But that's not possible, because there's no store in my house!
Did...did you read the quote we're talking about? There is no place on Ithaca where they wouldn't know what an oar is. In fact, it's a mountainous island, so you can probably see the ocean from every point on it.
The ghost, Odysseus, and everyone but you are aware that there is a landmass nearby with a significant inland
That kind of defeats the purpose of the most famous part of Odysseus in which he wants to go home.
Buddy, careful there, you're almost not pissing on the poor
Sssssure. Whatever you like. The ghost telling Odysseus to go home, get his house in order, and walk inland actually means he should go home, get his house in order, sail to an entirely different kingdom after a twenty-year journey to get back there, and then walk inland with an oar.
Maybe he was meant to turn around and start again?
Happy cake day!🎉
Oooh, are people Black Sails posting again?
Is anyone going to sit here with me and appreciate the tragedy of Billy Bones and the single lie that Flint convinces him to tell in the first episode, leading to the utter wreck of this man?
But I should really rewatch the show. And probably reread Treasure Island too. A lot of it is rather faded in my mind.
Billy Bones, who starts off as the most likeable and decent character on the show, and progresses through logical and understandable character development into the most loathsome bastard you’ve ever seen.
Also, peak ace representation. “Do we really need the fuck tent?”
Yes, exactly! And I do really have to watch it again, but I remember I kept thinking back to that one lie and how it simultaneously tied Billy to Flint and distanced him from the rest of the men, putting him on a very different path. (The death of Gates was also pretty important to how he developed too.)
FUCK! TENT! FUCK! TENT!
⛺️💦,🤌!
never stopped
I can't believe porny treasure Island was one of the top 5 shows of the decade
Black sails mentioned wooooo!!! Luv Jack Rackham
This is why I love liars and their boats
watch Black Sails WATCH Black Sails WATCH BLACK SAILS
it's queer pirates trying to burn down the british empire i am continually baffled that it isn't better known
it’s like game of thrones if game of thrones was good
it has almost the exact opposite trajectory of GoT too, just gets better and better as it goes. (not that the first season is BAD, but I personally think it is better on rewatch, once you actually get what's going on in Flint's head throughout)
Just started a rewatch a few days ago. Fully support a return of Black Sails posting.
I really liked that show until it became a bunch of sad melodramatic pirates all wanting to fuck the wrong person lounging around Nassau not doing much.
black sails mentioned raah!!!!
Just FYI, ancient Greek trireme ships like the ones Odysseus sailed would not have had multiple decks or cabins.