I'm not a huge fan of this genre of post, where the OP disagrees with the OOP but then rather than finding someone who is actually on Tumblr who disagrees, they just drag it to reddit.
But for the record, the OOP is very wrong. The first page of the chapter says this: "I'll turn the American Flag into a spear, and America's claim to the moon into a homing system!"
Both of these worked. She never tried to turn the moon into a weapon to begin with.
Also, her claims of ownership only work based on belief. If America did believe it owned the moon, then that would have been enough to claim ownership of it, regardless of who had a counterclaim.
So you're mostly correct but slightly off in your last statement, Yoru's power is based purely off her own belief. It doesn't matter if America believes they own the moon what matters is that Yoru believes they do and she believes she owns America due to their love of war, so by the transitive property, she owns the moon.
An important part of Yoru's character is that she is both crazy and a little stupid, but this actually makes her more dangerous since her childish logic lets her "own" way more things and therefore have a much stronger arsenal.
I think its mostly America playing up the Space Race. From any other country's point of view, America was second place for the majority of the space race, and when they managed to get to the moon the US treated it like it was a winner-take-all. And that's despite how the USSR kept being first afterwards with stuff like the Venus probes.
Technically the official US stance is "We as a government don't claim space but if US citizens want to claim space they are allowed to in accordance with relevant laws/rules/regulations/treaties."
OOP misunderstood what happened in the story, as well as CSM’s power system.
Firstly the character DID take control of the moon itself, and turned it into a homing effect on the flag-turned-spear. The moon’s ownership wasn’t in question.
Secondly, the character’s power works entirely off her own perception of “ownership”, not any actual logic or reality. Even self-delusion works, as long as the character believes in her own head that she owns it. USA’s claim on the moon is irrelevant, which OOP missed somehow.
Maurice Switzer once said "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt." A minute of Googling would have shown you that the plaque on the moon says "We came in peace for all mankind" and that the US signed the 1967 Outer Space Treaty which bans national claims in space.
Remember: Yoru's powers don't require that she actually own something, she just has to feel a sense of ownership over it. Even if America's official stance on the moon is "nobody owns it" I think Yoru using the moon as the spear's tracking system is in line with Fujimoto's critique of American Imperialism in the last few chapters.
At this point, I'm waiting for part 2 to end so I can read all in one burst like I did part 1 instead of being dragged on and gradually lose interest in it.
Yeah that’s not what happened
I'm not a huge fan of this genre of post, where the OP disagrees with the OOP but then rather than finding someone who is actually on Tumblr who disagrees, they just drag it to reddit.
But for the record, the OOP is very wrong. The first page of the chapter says this: "I'll turn the American Flag into a spear, and America's claim to the moon into a homing system!"
Both of these worked. She never tried to turn the moon into a weapon to begin with.
Also, her claims of ownership only work based on belief. If America did believe it owned the moon, then that would have been enough to claim ownership of it, regardless of who had a counterclaim.
Like how Asa dropping a bag of the equivalent of ~$10,000 makes her think she now owns a local aquarium.
Or "losing" a game of rock paper scissor means she hasn't defeated Denji, which happened ~2 chapters ago.
Or how signing a contract that Fami wrote let her purchase all of the security systems within a government black-site.
So you're mostly correct but slightly off in your last statement, Yoru's power is based purely off her own belief. It doesn't matter if America believes they own the moon what matters is that Yoru believes they do and she believes she owns America due to their love of war, so by the transitive property, she owns the moon.
An important part of Yoru's character is that she is both crazy and a little stupid, but this actually makes her more dangerous since her childish logic lets her "own" way more things and therefore have a much stronger arsenal.
do people think americans think we own the moon?
I believe Fujimoto thinks Americans think we own the moon
He's correct, we do. We put the flag down and everything, everyone knows thats how colonialism works
It’s funny because in real colonialism they didn’t use flags, they used plaques, which is much funnier. Literally writing “mine” on the land.
To be fair. YORU, thinks America thinks we own the moon. I do love Vibes based powers.
I definitely believe CERTAIN Americans think America owns the moon
I'm an American, and I specifically own the moon (I called dibs).
And everyone knows about the International Dibs Protocol. And the No Take Backs Accord.
They even sold me a deed for a plot of moonland as a kid.
I think Yoru thinks we think we own the moon
I think its mostly America playing up the Space Race. From any other country's point of view, America was second place for the majority of the space race, and when they managed to get to the moon the US treated it like it was a winner-take-all. And that's despite how the USSR kept being first afterwards with stuff like the Venus probes.
So what you’re saying is that we should think we own the moon
Bro were csm fans we dont read the manga!!!
yay, negative information exchange
explain your references
The chaos space marines did fucking what now?
"Do the traitor legions even have Chapters? Are these those new Khornate converts?"
Orks did it first, copycat CSM need to get some original ideas
The Despoiler dropped a Blackstone fortress on Cadia and ripped the empire of the corpse worshippers in two with the Cicatrix Maledictum
Checks out, Abaddon would drop the moon into Terra if he got the chance
We have literally never made a claim of ownership on the moon, what the hell is OOP talking about?
Yeah literally the official American stance on that has been "nobody owns space" since the beginning of space travel
...I'm very surprised this comment doesn't have thirty replies which all have the word "Musk" somewhere in them.
Technically the official US stance is "We as a government don't claim space but if US citizens want to claim space they are allowed to in accordance with relevant laws/rules/regulations/treaties."
OOP misunderstood what happened in the story, as well as CSM’s power system.
Firstly the character DID take control of the moon itself, and turned it into a homing effect on the flag-turned-spear. The moon’s ownership wasn’t in question.
Secondly, the character’s power works entirely off her own perception of “ownership”, not any actual logic or reality. Even self-delusion works, as long as the character believes in her own head that she owns it. USA’s claim on the moon is irrelevant, which OOP missed somehow.
I have but that’s its own separate thing
Maybe because we planted our flag there?
I always thought that was more of a marker that America had been the one to make the milestone of reaching the moon, not a claim of ownership.
Maurice Switzer once said "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt." A minute of Googling would have shown you that the plaque on the moon says "We came in peace for all mankind" and that the US signed the 1967 Outer Space Treaty which bans national claims in space.
I wasn't saying the USA owned the moon, I was saying maybe the author of Chainsaw Man thinks we do because we planted a flag there.
Remember: Yoru's powers don't require that she actually own something, she just has to feel a sense of ownership over it. Even if America's official stance on the moon is "nobody owns it" I think Yoru using the moon as the spear's tracking system is in line with Fujimoto's critique of American Imperialism in the last few chapters.
Yeah, but the US specifically renounced any claim on it during the 1967 Outer Space Treaty.
Nineteen sixty-what???
We don't do that here. Six is only funny if it's followed by nine, as god intended.
It doesn't work if you say sixty
I'm so fucking lost reading chainsaw man, I stopped actually understanding the plot about 100 chapters ago. It's so peak /\
At this point, I'm waiting for part 2 to end so I can read all in one burst like I did part 1 instead of being dragged on and gradually lose interest in it.
There's only so much bullshit I can put up with, the plot's been lost for months. Wrap it up and get to the fucking point already.
Completely disagree, I want another 300 chapters of this. I may not understand, but I am having a great time.
Others have said it but to add: Not only is that not what happened, but the twist is that Dennis just created Amputee World because he could.
Just eating shit at random to cause problems, that's my goat right there
Jesse! Don't shorten Chainsawman into three letters! Jesse!
Edit: Nevermind, carry on. Can't imagine why the topic is on the brain though
You’re thinking of CSAM. CSM has never been popularly used for that
Hm, well shows what I know lol
You probably know a lot! It’s just a little mistake
the moon is literally going to hatch a abomination like the statue of liberty did, how the fuck did OOP get that from it
I understand this makes sense in context, but without that context it just raises further questions.
And I love that, sincerely.
You're telling me theres a new chapter of Chaos Space Marines- oh wait
No she did use the moon, just as a homing system
America can, should, must, and will blow up the moon!
csm is far too close to the csam acronym
“This is my flag now I claim zero knowledge”
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