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https://www.cryptopolitan.com/venezuela-collects-80-oil-revenue-in-usdt/
Unfortunately they are regards and should accept BTC or something else instead as payment as that's a lot harder to freeze. But this has helped them keep their oil economy going through sanctions.
This is proof that there are use cases for crypto. Depending on whether you think the US is the bully here or not you may find this objectionable. But the truth is that people will continue to look for alternative financial channels outside of a world of USD and fiat.
So Bitcoin at ~$88k is still somewhere around -30% down from ATH. Working that in the other direction, it will require an approximate +43% increase to re-attain its ATH.
The S&P500, on the other hand, is approximately 0.5% away from its ATH.
Historically, the S&P's yearly return is about +10% YoY, and has jumped to around +13% YoY during the last decade or so.
This means that buying BTC at today's price of $88k would see you outperform/compete with the stock market's average gains by end-of-year 2028 even if it took Bitcoin 3 more years just to reach $126k again.
I will be ok with a tomorrow just like today
now that the early dust has settled, how are we feeling boys? 100k eoy?
The 100k curse, another year ends and BTC isn't at 100k xD
I feel 85k end of year then crash down to 30-40k in 2026 :) but maybe we go back up to 120k next year.
I still don’t get why are you guys all bearish for 2026 when there its literally no reason with QE around the corner, more rate cuts and a weak dollar.
In 2022 Bear we had QT, way less Global Liquidity, Rate Hikes, FTX and Terra Luna fiascos etc. Stocks were in the red too.
No reason for bitcoin to go from 125k to 88k with rate cuts.
I don’t know im just guessing.
There it’s a reason, market got completely fucked by the 10/10 liquidation event, even MMs got destroyed that day.
Many of these were forced to sell holdings to pay debt until now, the massive sell pressure stopped at this range.
I still think this its all short term noise until market healths up from that day… which we still don’t know what the fk happened, many alts crashed 70-80% in an instant.
nah 30-40k is legit crazy considering how mainstream big B is and all the ETFs. My bet is 60k at the lowest, but mostly crab market
It’s not crazy to see crypto go down.
Its more crazy to see it not moving up or down really big.
That's what Tom Lee says.
Nice sideway daily pa which market desperately needed.
why?
Crypto is a liquid market. it needs to grab liquidity to push price in a specific direction. That’s why the market often has to trade sideways for a bit to reverse a trend. In a prolonged downtrend, bears keep selling or shorting. For a reversal to happen, bulls need time to absorb that liquidity. Sideways price action after a big drawdown usually means that selling pressure is getting absorbed and liquidity is building. Then, when price finally pushes higher, that built-up liquidity can fuel the move. That’s why breakouts after consolidation often have real strength and can start new trend.
That makes sense.
So I just ran the numbers (using AI tools) on a daily DCA strategy for Bitcoin over last 4 years. The total return is around 130% and IRR around 38% pa.
Does that look particularly unappealing like many here seem to moan about?
Unfortunately some people have made some very bad decisions along the way.
Many here decided to ignore the "investing" side of crypto, opting to completely forego Bitcoin as even a part of their portfolio. Instead, they fast-tracked directly to the "gambling" side of crypto.
That respectable, steady but relatively "unimpressive" return from Bitcoin wasn't interesting compared to the prospect of riding Bitcoin's tailwind to a 10x-50x return from random Memecoins and Altcoins they could see if Bitcoin flourished.
The last few years has probably been a stark reminder of the difference between investing and gambling.
...Though sadly, most people here who have been constantly burned by Altcoins these last few years will probably rather quit crypto entirely (or already quit) than actually buy BTC now.
Bu...but my hairyballz shitcoin didn't go up 10x within 3 months of me buying it.
Man, I got rugpulled again.
Now compare that to the s and p.
Sure. And you get 39% overall return and around 14.5% pa irr.
compare the risks holding btc vs s&p
What risk? These are both dca strategies. Articulate what you mean by risk here. Volatility?
The beauty of dca is that if you get big downside, you get to take advantage of that so that when price recovers, you get the advantage of that drawdown having taken place.
So that leaves the matter of whether btc could permanently take you on a downtrend that dca cannot protect you from. And this, I daresay, most of us vociferously consider a non possibility. It does happen all the time to alts though.
The S&P would only be up about +47% with a 4-year daily DCA.
Gold would only be up about +90% with a 4-year daily DCA. (Don't underestimate what an asset staying relatively flat for years does to a long-term average.)
Only two of the seven stocks in the Mag-7 would have outperformed Bitcoin. NVDA (by nearly three-fold) and just barely Google. Meta would be slightly behind, and the rest relatively left in the dust.
https://imgur.com/a/n1fltMh
Given the high risk and diminishing returns, I see many of those beating Bitcoin over the next four years.
You see $60 Trillion stock indexes, a $30T+ Gold market, and multiple stocks that already have market caps greater than BTC... having better returns over the next 4 years?
While nearly all of those are not only larger, more established marketcaps but also currently at their all-time highs, while BTC is currently -30% from its ATH at this point?
...Well, good luck lol
Also what people forget when pointing out specific investments that did outperform is that naming those single outperformers for the forthcoming future is near impossible whereas Bitcoin is a relatively safe bet which may not yield the best amongst all assets but still highly likely to get you something near the top. I recall saying exactly such even 5 years back on this sub when everyone was going gaga over TSLA.
In so confused. Bitcoin starts going down at 930est when the stock market opens, yet the stock market itself is up at ath.
Yeah? Crypto aren't stocks...
But why does it move at 930am every morning?
The slight volatility (+/- 1%) that happened at opening today is nothing, a more significant drop happened just hours ago.
Volatility increases during the trading day because a lot of people get their investing news and advice from sources that don't really operate outside of "working hours."
Yes, crypto never sleeps, but people do. So volatility will naturally decrease when more people are out of the office or asleep.
Why is it dropping relative to stocks? Probably because retail (majority ownership of crypto) is going broke and can't afford to prop prices up via buying.
Many businesses and financial-funds happen to open around that same time and begin conducting business. ETF's transact large settlement orders from the day/evening prior all at once in the mornings (and some do a secondary round of settlement near market-closing hours).
That high volume can also lead to large price spikes/dips depending on the ratio of selling/buying at that time, driving liquidations or enticing long/short positions to open up during all of that which will only accelerate price volatility.
Stupid boomer trading desks. Id rather go back to mtgox
thats when the most degens wake up probably
Oh, that's because every single day Americans sell crypto and plow the proceeds into stocks. This cycle's failure and likely the failure of the entire asset class is entirely the fault of the American populace.
This subreddit will believe anything that absolves them from taking responsibility for their decisions.
And what decision are you referring to exactly? Investing in crypto?
Where was the writing on the wall that exclaimed that we should have avoided crypto in a post halving year?
Probably that the idea that time defines the outcome of a volatile asset class more than anything else.
It's a risk asset, welcome to the risk.
It's a risk asset during a historical worldwide risk asset boom. That bodes disastrously for the future, i.e time
And you think this discrepancy is solely because of Americans selling crypto for stocks every morning?
Precisely.
Not solely in the literal sense, but if Americans were not selling crypto for stocks every morning it's all but certain that we would have had a very lucrative bull market for crypto
Edit: I can't see your insults if you block me brev
What an asinine opinion with absolutely nothing to back it up other than it makes it not your fault that you invested in crypto and aren't rich.
You're more than welcome to disprove it then.
I'm also still waiting for you to identify this "fault" and responsibility" you keep mentioning
Why's AAVE plummeting
The founder is throwing the DAO under the bus
Buy the FUD!
Immaculate Mary, thy praises we sing;
Who reignest in splendor with Jesus our King.
AAVE, AAVE, AAVE, Maria! AAVE, AAVE, Maria!
One of my favorite hymns.
Luciano is in his glory just now.
Magic Internet money prompted his resurrection.
Its still sunday somewhere in the world thats for sure
Can Bitcoin just stop being a piece of shite?
looking at the recent comments in here I'm guessing a middle finger formed on the charts?
Some of them would make you think we're collapsing into hell, and then you actually look at the chart and we're down like 0.5%...
We have tragically retraced all the way back to the prices of this Saturday & Sunday. It is truly AlL OvEr again lol.
Honestly, I thought at this part of the cycle we'd be in the 70s - Price is holding remarkably well.
It's the same big group of rich whales & institutions investing in stocks/equities and commodities as it is investing in cryptos like BTC/ETH. There's no underlying metaphysical, astrological trigger that will cause a -70% collapse simply because it's been "about 4 years" while economic conditions are greenlighting a surge in liquidity.
There has been a short-term (quarterly) divergence in volatility, especially with the liquidations-fiasco of October 10th and a rough stretch of ETF outflows from Oct->Nov, but the stock market was itself struggling since late-October as well.
While interest rates are settling lower, "QE" is kicking in, and stocks are still steadily on the rise all while crypto exposure and adoption is ramping up... those same investors aren't going to abandon Bitcoin or Eth while things are still ramping up.
Stonks ripping
What else is fucking new?
Nothing, stocks are approaching ATH.
75k at Christmas
Ironically the only asset that hasn't advanced against the dollar has been BTC.
Only reason we are keeping it up in this range , if it was like in January were the dollar was still strong we would be at 60-70k right now.
Well you just need to look at the EUR chart
The inherent reasons behind the dollar losing value is also behind the reasons why crypto/BTC has spent so much of 2025 in turmoil.
A 2025 without all the problems affecting the DXY would have kept crypto much more stable and healthy as well.
Losing value against a weakening dollar in the post halving year. Cycle maxis as well as store-of-value maxis in shambles.
You do realise that a single upleg when it comes does more than make up for all the perceived shortfalls of many months? That's how it has always been and it's how it will be the case going forward.
"Sure it's stored and grown your value exponentially for the last 16+ years, but what about the last two months??? Checkmate."
Bitcoin is trading at the same inflation adjusted price as 2021. That's 4 years ago
Discounting the fact that 2021-2025 adjusted inflation is only around 20%, which would put the 69k ATH at an adjusted ~83k today (which BTC is $5,000 above right now)...
That is a pretty clear store of value then, don't you think? Sounds like mission accomplished, even after a 30% downturn from the 2025 ATH it's stored its value.
Or you could compare today's price to 2021's average price of ~47k throughout the year, and realize it's still +87% above that.
So stored value then? And this is even you when you went to the length of cherry picking the worst period? Any idea why the peak of last cycle has some special relevance?
I mean why would you assume that someone just bought on and only on the peak of last cycle?
The definition of "store of value" to some people apparently just means "this asset will never, ever lose value in a shorter-term period compared to any time you may have bought in".
Which is kind of a hilarious definition when society's paramount store of value, Gold, has spent decades-long periods "not storing value" from 1980 until over 25 years later, and again spent from 2011 to basically 2024 "failing at being a store of value".
There are reasonable ways of getting a good sense of performance and which don't involve taking an assumption of everything being invested at the cycle peak or cycle bottom. For example, DCA starting from 4 years ago till today has yielded about 125% in total gain.
https://www.bitcoindollarcostaverage.com/
Ironically and counterintuitively to some, if you started your DCA at cycle bottom three years back, you managed a lesser return of 88%. Cause there were so many points in 2022 where price was above cycle bottom but still would have added to your return until today.
Moral of the story - time in market beats timing the market.
Santa is selling his bags probably.
The gifts Santa buys as presents became more expensive because of the Tariff's. So he is kinda forced to sell
Little Timmy isn't getting an Xmas present. So much for the Santa rally guys
Mondy dumpty sat on a wall
I didn’t convert my wrapped centrifuge wcfg. Is it useless now
Aaaaand it’s gone! Stocks like TSLA still at high of day of course
Yeah, totally not overvalued……..
https://imgur.com/a/9C7iYSL
Shorts just playing their little games again, trying to manufacture selling-pressure to claw back what their positions lost this morning.
It's just short-term noise while the markets continue confidently trending up.
We are still in a downtrend until Bitcoin breaks the 94.5k resistance
This trending up, is it in the room with us now?
Confidently trending up? yeah sure lol
Performance in 2025:
S&P 500: 17%
Nasdaq: 21%
Gold: 69%
Bitcoin: -4%
2025, the lost year
this data is actually scary
it's actually -18% in serious currencies like the Euro and the British pound. The dollar collapsed in 2025 after the tariffs
69, nice…
sometimes I think people here look at 5min charts
It's always the same usual suspects who are first to the scene to report it lol. Last weekend was probably the most torturous 2-day stretch of their lives, quietly staring at charts with almost zero volatility.
Thanks as usual
Hope y'all enjoyed the santa rally to 90k
…….. sigh I hate this casino….
It's meh
I wish I bought more in 2018 (of every asset class, not just crypto) if I knew covid was gonna happen. I only did crypto back when I got into crypto in 2016-2017, and it's crazy how everything has gone up since then
Same here. Prices now are wild compared to 2016, so its funny to see the absolute depression when bitcoin is like, 90k.
People had another incredible chance in 2020 too, so the only people who fumbled the ball were either ones who weren't paying any attention or married their alt bags.
Please, be honest. What's your feeling: are we in a bullish market or in a bearish market currently?
I think we are in a downtrend and it's going lower than people think
At this rate, a mild-ish bear market if 4 year cycle repeats, and then diminishing returns if the 4 year cycle repeats, but long term crypto will be fine even if the 4 year cycle is broken
I think we are in a downtrend, but it wont go as low as people think.
It's a bear market and anyone appearing to hold on to hope is really just praying for a relief rally so they can sell at break even
I'm in profit tbf
I guess some others are too?
I really hope this year people realize crypto is not a great asset class for storing wealth. Only asset class down for the year amid QE, rate cuts and AI
You've been using crypto to store your wealth?
Dang, i've just been investing and hoping that numbah line go up long-term lol
I should be more productive, yet there's nothing to really do
Tis' life
Have you considered writing a novel?
I wish but i'm really lazy lol
worst performing asset class of 2025
It's not over yet!
Somehow the ass in chief made billions
You can already copy this comment for next year
How bout that midnight?
I mean, unless the airdrop gave me thousands of dollars, then for me it's not that interesting, and as a project it's good to see more privacy, but I have to ask, why on Cardano?
Shitty airdrop, my first allocation doesn't become available for another 80 days, so I just assume it'll only be worth a few cents by then xD
Because it's a very important chain with dozens of transactions every day.
And thanks to the airdrop, that will almost double! xD
lol
If you are invested in any way I'd be terrified of the volume:
https://i.imgur.com/MAmwCvc.png
The circled spaces are known wash trading exchanges that fake volume to get higher up in rankings, which means this recent rise is basically 99% on exchanges with incentives to wash trade the volume of the coin.
Buyer beware.
Innovated a way to have a project with a price further from its ATH than Cardano. Impressive.
People will sell like in any airdrop.
The idea is very good, but we will see in a year how the project goes. I plan to cash out all at once after the deadline.
＞People will sell like in any airdrop.
I just took a look and the airdrop is worth like $100 per distribution (for a total of $400? w/ a token price of 10c each?)
If that's it...that's depressing. I earn that just getting out of bed and complaining that I don't want to work, and then begrudgingly going to work and saying hi to people I hate (I have 2 jobs, but tbf I do like my other job)
I believe Bitcoin has rarely been so oversold.
We arent oversold in any tf.
You're looking at the daily chart too much.
We are not oversold in any tf bruh. 1M,1W,1D,4h,1h... Probably you are looking at 1 minute timeframe.
Please stop crying.
2022 was worse, and even 2018 for that matter. But seeing prices this high while being this oversold is pretty neat
2022 had quantitative tightening, rate hikes, stocks in the red, liquidity going down.
Right now we're at the start of the exact opposite.
For 2026 we got quantitative easing, rate cuts, more global liquidity.
A single green candle and people here are starting to flip bullish again. 😂
no, that has nothing to do with it.
The MOON sell of 353k MOON is still at 0.0544 USD
Once mellon's $20K worth of Moons are sold, that will pretty clear the way.
Most of the people who wanted out, didn't believe anymore, or wanted to sell, have already sold.
I've looked through the whale wallets when CCMoons was still fully updated, and the amount of pre-sunset whales drastically dropped.
Probably the big remaining whales are a mix of people who are either believers, part of the project, in it for the long haul, or are at a point where it's not worth selling and better to let it ride out and see what happens.
He has around $120k, but close enough
how the fuck does he have so much?
A few ways - he provided liquidity for awhile and earned a lot that way, he was paid a lot for dev efforts when Reddit was running the show, and he bought a lot after the sunset. I also believe he runs a few arbitrage bots and picked up moons that way
Not only was he providing liquidity on Sushi which was incentivized but he was also running RCPswap as well; I'll assume even with low trade volume it probably worked alright for him.
Mellon quitting his position completely.
He already sold over 2% of the whole supply in the past 2 months, once he is out we can keep going back upwards with our buybacks and burns
Oh dang I didn't know Mellon quit
I thought he got banned by that toxic closet safemoon-loving weirdo TNGSystems or something too
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There are already many solutions to make any blockchain, including Bitcoin, quantum resistant. It's just a matter of how each blockchain wants to approach this.
The only thing dead now, is the "quantum computing cryptopocalyse" theory.
Quantum computers will need years, maybe decades, to break encryption.
By then, Bitcoin will be "fixed."
Besides, the least of our problems if that happens will be cryptocurrencies.
Bitcoin does not use encryption.
Most Bitcoin wallets encrypt private key data for user security using schemes like AES , but the network itself does not employ encryption for transaction or block data. The term "cryptocurrency" is derived from cryptography, not encryption
Zcash and Monero use encryption (amongst others) but Bitcoin does not use encryption.
And you really think they are going to use that power just to try to get Satoshi wallet or something.
Quantum computers will probably cost way more than the entire crypto space
Lmao. Sorry this is too funny. My god this sub is stupid
Incredible insight lol, thrill us with your technical prowess.
This subreddit has practically zero development or research experience/knowledge, but some here think because they read something on glassnode that they are informed.
lmao, they really brainwashed you with the FUD spreaded
Quantum computers are theoretically (and therefore, practically) not possible.
RemindMe! 20 years
gold and silver too the moon
Silver is very undervalued and has the potential to go up significantly.
It is widely used and increasingly in short supply.
It is also a valuable metal and people invest in it.
Ethereum investors seem to panic since the Canton blockchain emerged in the news. They write tweets and biased articles to downplay it. For example they repeat without checking because they like the story: "new Canton participants need to pay to enter the network": this is completely fabricated. More importantly, yesterday, Chuk/Paxos published an article on X to try to propagate the idea the DTCC and Canton are pointless because the users would only be institutions and they would do some fake tokenization (entitlements in official terms). The truth:
These Ethereum investors would cheer rather than spread misleading information if Ethereum had been the first choice of the DTCC. It is not a good look if their community starts to spread lies instead of spotting real drawbacks.
Nah. Nothing to do with whatever this shitcoin Canton thing is.
ETH holders are panicking because theyve watched their coin go straight down for 8 years against BTC
This is not a coin, this is a network.
The poor price action that you refer to might be due to the fact that the finance industry remains shy with Ethereum while they have started their own network: Canton.
https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/canton
Straight down. Thanks for playing hahaha
I'm talking about Canton, the topic is the properties of the network and lies about them. You bring the token (CC) in the discussion out of nowhere
They have a coin. It is down, bad, like all other shitcoins.
Stay poor and have fun bagholding.
bullish divergence on the planck time chart.
In the quantum multiverse, BTC is at 1 trillion squidules
is it still safe to look at charts?
Crypto is fine
Unless you bought the tippy top of the overall market and only bought BTC and Eth (or lots of other alts shilled here), then you're probably fine
Your sentence doesn't make sense.
Oh, I just meant unless you bought BTC at $120k and Eth at around $5k, then you shouldn't be down that much since we had plenty of chances to buy BTC and Eth cheaper
Even if you did, you're probably fine though in the long term
Day is still green 🤷♂️ Some guys here are watching 5min charts and start panicking
Honestly baffles me that people look at any timeframe less than one day, but that's just me
Fuck your santa rally
Now now settle down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-wcX-ptx3E&list=RDN-wcX-ptx3E&start_radio=1
This song is actually pretty good imo. It goes well with watching the charts or if you're just bored with nothing to do
(it's Laguna's theme from FF8)
I swear if any of you starts with "alt szn" I will slap yaa online
I think for an alt season you need actual consistent growth compared to Bitcoin in altcoin marketcaps
Dilution is a real issue in this market compared to previous years though (monies are still concentrated, just far more diluted)
alt szn is cooked
Give me a hug
🤗
I see on watcher guru.
Gold and silver reached an all time high
Aaand it’s gone
This is one of those times where you just have to stop watching the charts.
Dollar value dropping like a titan sub
https://youtu.be/t9fVEsLVwxw?t=41
When I look at the charts, this is how I feel about crypto
Here comes the burger dump
Be careful brother remember we can wipe out a days green in fucking 30 min …. Be careful
Those big red candles and sell-off attempts seem to keep getting weaker.
They're not only losing steam when it comes to selling pressure, but they could be foreshadowing a trend reversal.
It's now the 6th attempt that hasn't been able to go lower. And the third one in a row with a higher local low, and new local high.
This is all still very local, so don't get too excited. We'll still have to see if $95K gets tested again. Then we're not talking so local anymore.
You know how 2018 panned out though. Six attempts all supported by 6k and then bang it went through to 3k in a month. The 'descending triangle'. Ah nostalgia.
Yea, but that specific example might not be the best, because it didn't have much to do with the 6K support or the attempts.
It wasn't TA, it wasn't the market, it was just two guys.
It was Ver and Wright dumping Bitcoins by batches by the millions in that short time, for their BCH hash wars.
The ratio of volume they dumped, compared to the volume of the market on all major exchanges was completely insane and has never been seen again at this rate.
We have been in an accumulation zone range for some weeks already, that 94.5k resistance not going to last much longer, bears probably knows about this and are exiting positions. (Hence why the sell pressure has been decreasing)
Whole markets are green too, stocks etc.
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Bold move shorting after we went down so much so quickly