So much unnecessary aggro for what is essentially some B-roll footage of players walking through an airport. Both parties seem utterly silly here. Camera guy is annoying but the security guy was overdoing it as well.
On the willow cricket talk podcast, I heard Adam Peacock mention that there is a England security guy keeping an out on the spectators to point out to ground security when anyone mocks the england players. Not 'racially abuse' or even regular 'abuse', even basic mocking. He said he saw first hand a family being evicted when the father stood up to sarcastically clap some english player when he was walking after he got out.
So, he is definitely putting in a lot of effort but it is not hard to hate him for that. Ben stokes was right when he said he had weak men in his squad/support staff
Neither of the parties are at all involved with cricket. Would be like reporting on a political story that a taxi driver and a parking warden had an argument while dropping an MP off somewhere
Don't give the news companies the clicks on their articles, don't give them the views on their videos, and don't comment on their social media posts. They all knew that if they shove a camera right in the face of the English players and staff, they will get reactions that will give them headlines and clicks.
It's the same as what we saw during the year in the AFL, various media groups targeting specific players at airports that they know will give them reactions they are hoping for, just for clicks and views.
We can all laugh at the poms and their shocking performance so far, which is honestly deserved, but lets not give these news companies the clicks they are trying to achieve by shoving a camera in someones face at an airport and asking dodgy questions.
I'd normally agree with you but in this case, the camera man is being respectful in terms of spacing. Maybe I missed a bait before it, but thats poor security work, really poor. The security guard has poor media awareness.
The media company has poor listening skills. They were told not to do exactly what he was doing.
Media is a 2 way street. The journalists must remain respectful and vice versa. This idiot did not remain respectful and like every good MSM person in Australia does, goes and cries wolf
The media will win. Doesn't mean they're in the right.
The camera person wasn't asking questions for an interview, they were just shoving a camera in someone's face hoping for a reaction. They could have got the same shots from 3m or 30m away. They chose to get those shots from 30cm away. They knew exactly what they were doing. Theres doing your job and then there being a scummy antagonistic piece of shit.
I'd argue if you're not on the travelator you've got no reason to be leaning over the handrail other than to invade someone's space. It's scummy journalism and shouldn't be encouraged or defended.
We’re not talking about rights and free speech, it’s just a basic courtesy. The media will get its turn to ask them questions at the proper moment. This just individual keen beans wanting to personally have the scoop. It’s not a media restriction issue, there’s nothing even really to talk about.
You don’t stop players at the airport, it’s a well known and usually respected courtesy. Let them get their transit done and be back in “human” mode before you put questions to them in the proper context.
Sure, maybe this could have been handled better. But expecting the players to give a shit when you're trying to stick a camera in their face and you've been giving them both barrels for 3 weeks is hilarious
The footage they’ve shown shows the camera a few meters away from the players at least — hardly seems like sticking it in their face. Maybe they get closer if the security guard intervenes and.. god forbid… ask a question of the players.
As much as the news here is shit, I think we’re overreacting to what is essentially: famous and well remunerated sports people taking part in highly anticipated overseas series watched by millions filmed in public place
‘A paper’ while technically correct is a huge stretch being it was the West Australian which is basically a local gazette. The bus timetable at my local stop in Sydney probably has a higher readership.
The only time I ever hear about the West Australian is on Reddit during the Ashes Perth test.
Test cricket is basically the only sport in Australia over summer (excluding the 2 weeks everyone pretends to care about Tennis), so it gets the entire sports media focussed on it because there's nothing else going on. Also doesn't help that they landed in WA, a state where the main newspaper is essentially a tabloid.
I get why you might find this unusual. The Ashes is actually a big deal in Australia! In England 98% of the population has no clue who Stokes and Root are and no one cares about the cricket.
This statemetnt is true everywhere in the world. IF you think your news outlets are bad, you should see the indian ones. They aren't as hawkish when it comes to sports as aussie ones, but they've all sold their souls to suck up to the government and quash all criticism. Pure trash!
I don’t know… I’ve lived in 2 other countries and spend a lot of time in 5 others.
Australia’s is up there with the worst in terms of 1) not covering important global news and 2) prioritising fluff pieces rather than newsworthy items (relatively speaking )
Maybe but the indian ones are now all practically government owned/ indirectly controlled. So, politics wise, they are terrible. Full of outrage against the opposition or anyone criticizing the government really. But aussie outlets are really bad come the ashes. But at least i find that there is freedom of speech in australia and they criticize political leaders (i think). Then again, Rupert Murdoch is from Australia, so you may be right.
It was WA wasn't it? Pretty understandable in the context a British backpacker there just got found guilty of murdering a young father by misusing an e scooter.
Apologising for not wearing a helmet is one thing, but that political reporter was the most embarrassing player interviewer since the Jack Ginnivan door stop in Adelaide. “Do YoU ThInK aN aPoLoGy Is OwEd To QuEeNsLaNdErS??” And her response after was just as cringe
She phrased it dumb but he should’ve apologised anyway. It’s not really his place to think it’s cringe when he’s being asked the question for a valid reason. Cummo wouldn’t have done it, but if he did and refused to apologise I’d think that was disrespectful to the host country
I remember Jim Jefferies had a bit saying the PMs only real responsibility in Australia is make sure the koalas don't die. It does feel like that rings true.
Is there not real news in Australia. FriendlyJordies always seems to be finding corruption and shit, cover that rather than holding up signs next to players on the beach or shoving cameras in people's faces lol.
The best thing is it always backfires on these media people. Even most of the Aussies on here and the other media dramas call it nonsense.
Can't wait for there to be cricket again, I'd still rather watch us fumble victories than this shite between tests.
Yeah, it's just scummy journalism. Air cabins are super dry and dehydrating, I'd imagine it's really annoying seeing journos and people hoping for selfies after landing.
Not sure how it is in the UK, but sports journos here are absolute bottom feeders.
Here's an example from a couple months ago. There's a lot of context needed to understand exactly how shithouse it was for the reporter to be ambushing that specific player at that specific time; but it's still funny as fuck watching the player walk directly up to the camera, point at the reporter and say "I hate this c*nt"
The camera guy is 5 meters away most of the time, and it seems it’s the security guy who gets in his face. I think the media here in Oz is trash, but this was hardly ‘up in their faces’. They did the same thing (i.e.: filming) to the Australian players coming in to Adelaide airport.
Anyone clashing with media at airports is doing the right thing. Airports are not your stalking ground to find prey that can’t escape your cameras, fuck off you leeches.
Australia needs better news than shoving cameras into Cricketers faces. It's like Australian TV news media needs some drama everytime.
Last time, it was Kohli and now England Security guard who is doing his job what is he paid for - keeping Cameras / Media away from Players so they remain unbothered.
In Brisbane, when skipper Ben Stokes and other team-mates were photographed not wearing helmets while using e-Scooters - a fineable offence in the state of Queensland - Stokes brushed it off, even when asked by a journalist if he and his team would apologise for the misdemeanour. When the transgression was put to Ollie Pope ahead of the second Test, he reacted matter-of-factly: "Just put a helmet on next time. Rules are rules."
It's always a shame when a home Ashes series is over and we have to pretend to be normal again
Broden Kelly was so right about Adelaide lmao.. Scummy media. They started this airport stop bs during the footy season with Ginnivan, needs to die immediately.
I feel like the nation that birthed Rupert Murdoch is pretty high up there in terms of 'utter garbage' of the media, in fact I think he beats the British media on his own. No matter how many terrible things British papers have said about poor Carey's haircut.
And i'm Irish so I really want to pick your side here but between petulant bullying towards a cricketer in contrast to the attempted breakdown and division of society for the purpose of generating mass amounts of hate and discord, i'm just leaning slightly to the latter.
They’re both shit, Cricket just seems bigger in Australia so gets more traction by the looks of it. Stokes and Root were papped on arrival in the country and made the front page of an Aussie paper with some pretty unwitty insults as I recall, something like that just wouldn’t happen in the UK, cricket isn’t big enough.
An Australian having the audacity to call any other countries media garbage is really something to see.
Your countries media is literally responsible for a majority of the worst media and terrible disgusting media practices all over the Western world. Australian media is blight on humanity that has infected most other western countries through things like fox news.
Of course lol. Given how your media acts across the world I wonder what it was in particular about this security guard that has riled up the Australian media and Aussies so much. Hard to pinpoint I'm sure.
Pretty much, yeah, it was Jimmy Peirson (backup of the backup), and he did, in fact, pay. The kerfuffle came from it being a cash only business, and Peirson did not have any, so he tried a bank transfer, which got held up due to it being international.
While Cook owned it, it was still an outrageously scummy thing to do to perpetuate a completely unsubstantiated rumour, causing it to gain traction, resulting in a torrent of outlandish abuse.
He just wanted to jump on the Carey-bashing bandwagon after the Bairstow stumping, which is not something a dignified pundit should ever be doing. It's Piers Morgan level, which is just embarrassing for the sport.
Right...and the English players looked unbothered, both here, and Stokes happily posing for photos with those local radio DJs at Noosa? This security guy looks like he got out the wrong side of bed, otherwise this story is a complete storm in a teacup.
Second time I've heard of security overreach by the poms this tour, the other is at the stadium people are being ID'd as hecklers by British security and being removed at the gabba by stadium staff, not a good look.
England deserves all these hostilities since they did not do their job properly. They had only one job to play professional cricket but their arrogant attitude towards test cricket is diluting the historical importance to Ashes cricket.
My word I desperately hope you get people you don’t know needlessly pestering you when you have a bad day in your place of employment. Assuming you even have a place of employment that is.
“Place of employment” lmao clowns will still pretend that representing a nation in a professional sport should be even remotely similar to some random’s 9-5
Rushing to the defence of the person that thinks it’s acceptable to accost people that are minding their own business is a fucking odd take. And even if there is some karmic punishment for representing your nation and thus far failing, I don’t think some annoying aussie news cameraman with an axe to grind should be the harbinger of it.
You have some fucking nerve calling others a clown.
I used the example of a “desk job” to make the point to the commenter that agreeing with accosting someone in public because of their performance off the field is ridiculous.
I haven’t compared the nature of any jobs at all. That’s something you ran with. Clown-like.
You literally even just said you agreed with my point. But here you are, moaning. Go enjoy your Sunday fella
The media hostility they’re getting from media in appropriate contexts (from their own as well as Australian) is deserved, a random person getting media hostility for underperforming at their normal desk job would not be. That’s the clownishness of the actual point you were trying to make.
My Sunday’s going fine, cheers. Same as yours. You can stop replying too if you think this is all beneath you?
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Cricket Australia: Please don't interview teams in transit
Media: Tries to interview team in transit
Security: Makes media not interview team in transit
A complete nothingburger
Don't you mean!
"English cricket scandal!!!!! English team chaos at TWO AIRPORTS!!!!"
<Thumbnail of blurry image of Ben Stokes with a randomly placed red circle>
England attacks Australian airport operators! Start of WW3??? Click to read more
So much unnecessary aggro for what is essentially some B-roll footage of players walking through an airport. Both parties seem utterly silly here. Camera guy is annoying but the security guy was overdoing it as well.
Security guy put in a bigger effort than any of the players so far this tour. Hard to hate him for that.
On the willow cricket talk podcast, I heard Adam Peacock mention that there is a England security guy keeping an out on the spectators to point out to ground security when anyone mocks the england players. Not 'racially abuse' or even regular 'abuse', even basic mocking. He said he saw first hand a family being evicted when the father stood up to sarcastically clap some english player when he was walking after he got out.
So, he is definitely putting in a lot of effort but it is not hard to hate him for that. Ben stokes was right when he said he had weak men in his squad/support staff
Neither of the parties are at all involved with cricket. Would be like reporting on a political story that a taxi driver and a parking warden had an argument while dropping an MP off somewhere
Security contractor in clash with freelance cameraman. Why is this in /r/cricket news lol, very slow Ashes news day
England are crumbling at record pace. I a Never thought I'd say this but I feel sorry for them now. They need to go home
Don't give the news companies the clicks on their articles, don't give them the views on their videos, and don't comment on their social media posts. They all knew that if they shove a camera right in the face of the English players and staff, they will get reactions that will give them headlines and clicks.
It's the same as what we saw during the year in the AFL, various media groups targeting specific players at airports that they know will give them reactions they are hoping for, just for clicks and views.
We can all laugh at the poms and their shocking performance so far, which is honestly deserved, but lets not give these news companies the clicks they are trying to achieve by shoving a camera in someones face at an airport and asking dodgy questions.
I'd normally agree with you but in this case, the camera man is being respectful in terms of spacing. Maybe I missed a bait before it, but thats poor security work, really poor. The security guard has poor media awareness.
The media company has poor listening skills. They were told not to do exactly what he was doing.
Media is a 2 way street. The journalists must remain respectful and vice versa. This idiot did not remain respectful and like every good MSM person in Australia does, goes and cries wolf
There are rights in the country that mean you cannot restrict media in a public space eg media outside a court.
Sure it would be nice if the media didn't do it, but they have a right to do it.
Anyone with any basic level of media training knows the way in which this security guard approached is confrontational and will only end one way.
The media will win. Doesn't mean they're in the right.
The camera person wasn't asking questions for an interview, they were just shoving a camera in someone's face hoping for a reaction. They could have got the same shots from 3m or 30m away. They chose to get those shots from 30cm away. They knew exactly what they were doing. Theres doing your job and then there being a scummy antagonistic piece of shit.
Not sure standing 20 metres away from the subject is shoving it in their face.
Which shot was 3 metres away? On the travelator? the camera man isn't even on the travelator. How is he in his personal space.
I'd argue if you're not on the travelator you've got no reason to be leaning over the handrail other than to invade someone's space. It's scummy journalism and shouldn't be encouraged or defended.
Was he over the handrail? I can see the handrail in the footage!
The security guard is an idiot. You never go hands on the camera.
I’ll be honest if he’s in reach of the camera man then the camera man isn’t 20 metres away like you said is he?
And although the security guy looks like quite a unit I doubt he has a 3 metre reach.
We’re not talking about rights and free speech, it’s just a basic courtesy. The media will get its turn to ask them questions at the proper moment. This just individual keen beans wanting to personally have the scoop. It’s not a media restriction issue, there’s nothing even really to talk about.
You don’t stop players at the airport, it’s a well known and usually respected courtesy. Let them get their transit done and be back in “human” mode before you put questions to them in the proper context.
Paparazzi paparizzing? And a security guard has reacted to paparazzi in the way that security guards react to paparazzi? And it’s in the news?
"the players didn't seem bothered" tickled me
Sure, maybe this could have been handled better. But expecting the players to give a shit when you're trying to stick a camera in their face and you've been giving them both barrels for 3 weeks is hilarious
The fact they didn't engage and allow the security to do this means it probably expect that the security would do this
The footage they’ve shown shows the camera a few meters away from the players at least — hardly seems like sticking it in their face. Maybe they get closer if the security guard intervenes and.. god forbid… ask a question of the players.
As much as the news here is shit, I think we’re overreacting to what is essentially: famous and well remunerated sports people taking part in highly anticipated overseas series watched by millions filmed in public place
Always get the impression that there isn’t really much news in Australia
I get that impression as well, both Stokes and Root made the front pages of a paper when they landed in the country!
‘A paper’ while technically correct is a huge stretch being it was the West Australian which is basically a local gazette. The bus timetable at my local stop in Sydney probably has a higher readership.
The only time I ever hear about the West Australian is on Reddit during the Ashes Perth test.
You should come to r/AFL where we regularly point and laugh at the west's ridiculous back pages regularly throughout the year
Back page?
Test cricket is basically the only sport in Australia over summer (excluding the 2 weeks everyone pretends to care about Tennis), so it gets the entire sports media focussed on it because there's nothing else going on. Also doesn't help that they landed in WA, a state where the main newspaper is essentially a tabloid.
No it was the front page, truely bizarre.
I get why you might find this unusual. The Ashes is actually a big deal in Australia! In England 98% of the population has no clue who Stokes and Root are and no one cares about the cricket.
It is not that there is no news, it’s that the news outlets are rubbish.
This statemetnt is true everywhere in the world. IF you think your news outlets are bad, you should see the indian ones. They aren't as hawkish when it comes to sports as aussie ones, but they've all sold their souls to suck up to the government and quash all criticism. Pure trash!
I don’t know… I’ve lived in 2 other countries and spend a lot of time in 5 others.
Australia’s is up there with the worst in terms of 1) not covering important global news and 2) prioritising fluff pieces rather than newsworthy items (relatively speaking )
Maybe but the indian ones are now all practically government owned/ indirectly controlled. So, politics wise, they are terrible. Full of outrage against the opposition or anyone criticizing the government really. But aussie outlets are really bad come the ashes. But at least i find that there is freedom of speech in australia and they criticize political leaders (i think). Then again, Rupert Murdoch is from Australia, so you may be right.
A reporter tried to make Stokes apologize to the state of Queensland for not wearing helmets while riding e-scooters lmao.
It was WA wasn't it? Pretty understandable in the context a British backpacker there just got found guilty of murdering a young father by misusing an e scooter.
It was in the presser before the second test.
He came here and broke the law, so a quick apology wouldn’t have gone awry tbh
Apologising for not wearing a helmet is one thing, but that political reporter was the most embarrassing player interviewer since the Jack Ginnivan door stop in Adelaide. “Do YoU ThInK aN aPoLoGy Is OwEd To QuEeNsLaNdErS??” And her response after was just as cringe
She phrased it dumb but he should’ve apologised anyway. It’s not really his place to think it’s cringe when he’s being asked the question for a valid reason. Cummo wouldn’t have done it, but if he did and refused to apologise I’d think that was disrespectful to the host country
You'd think people would be more accepting of English lawbreakers down under
My ancestors were forced to spend their lives here, meanwhile he’s gonna piss off back to England in 4 weeks. Disgraceful. World’s gone soft.
Honestly, living in modern England is the bigger punishment
True, Stokes even suggested as much himself. Perhaps even why he set out on his crime spree
I remember Jim Jefferies had a bit saying the PMs only real responsibility in Australia is make sure the koalas don't die. It does feel like that rings true.
Is there not real news in Australia. FriendlyJordies always seems to be finding corruption and shit, cover that rather than holding up signs next to players on the beach or shoving cameras in people's faces lol.
The best thing is it always backfires on these media people. Even most of the Aussies on here and the other media dramas call it nonsense.
Can't wait for there to be cricket again, I'd still rather watch us fumble victories than this shite between tests.
Yeah, it's just scummy journalism. Air cabins are super dry and dehydrating, I'd imagine it's really annoying seeing journos and people hoping for selfies after landing.
People hoping for selfies is fine. Radio Jockeys with shit signs and Journos looking to provoke the players can fuck off quite frankly.
Not sure how it is in the UK, but sports journos here are absolute bottom feeders.
Here's an example from a couple months ago. There's a lot of context needed to understand exactly how shithouse it was for the reporter to be ambushing that specific player at that specific time; but it's still funny as fuck watching the player walk directly up to the camera, point at the reporter and say "I hate this c*nt"
Did the cameraman make it? Prayers up 🙏🏽
Having seen the video I don't see how they can claim it was a respectful distance. They were close enough to smell their farts
The camera guy is 5 meters away most of the time, and it seems it’s the security guy who gets in his face. I think the media here in Oz is trash, but this was hardly ‘up in their faces’. They did the same thing (i.e.: filming) to the Australian players coming in to Adelaide airport.
No issue from me.
I’m not seeing a huge amount of news here. Media fellow did his job and security guy did his. Clearly there will be some tension at the boundary.
Back to the pub doors with him
These reporters need to respect boundaries
Anyone clashing with media at airports is doing the right thing. Airports are not your stalking ground to find prey that can’t escape your cameras, fuck off you leeches.
Australia needs better news than shoving cameras into Cricketers faces. It's like Australian TV news media needs some drama everytime.
Last time, it was Kohli and now England Security guard who is doing his job what is he paid for - keeping Cameras / Media away from Players so they remain unbothered.
It's always a shame when a home Ashes series is over and we have to pretend to be normal again
Not only are the players and coaching staff arrogant but so is the security.
Broden Kelly was so right about Adelaide lmao.. Scummy media. They started this airport stop bs during the footy season with Ginnivan, needs to die immediately.
Before you attack the media, remember what they ( english press) did to Carey.
what did they do to Carey?
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I feel like the nation that birthed Rupert Murdoch is pretty high up there in terms of 'utter garbage' of the media, in fact I think he beats the British media on his own. No matter how many terrible things British papers have said about poor Carey's haircut.
And i'm Irish so I really want to pick your side here but between petulant bullying towards a cricketer in contrast to the attempted breakdown and division of society for the purpose of generating mass amounts of hate and discord, i'm just leaning slightly to the latter.
They’re both shit, Cricket just seems bigger in Australia so gets more traction by the looks of it. Stokes and Root were papped on arrival in the country and made the front page of an Aussie paper with some pretty unwitty insults as I recall, something like that just wouldn’t happen in the UK, cricket isn’t big enough.
It wasn't a reverse mankad it was a stumping from a fast bowler's receiving position
An Australian having the audacity to call any other countries media garbage is really something to see.
Your countries media is literally responsible for a majority of the worst media and terrible disgusting media practices all over the Western world. Australian media is blight on humanity that has infected most other western countries through things like fox news.
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Of course lol. Given how your media acts across the world I wonder what it was in particular about this security guard that has riled up the Australian media and Aussies so much. Hard to pinpoint I'm sure.
The haircut thing was completely made up and they were seeking to create hostility for Australia, after the pedo class lords members crossed a line..
It's something you can't forget.
Wasn't it a mix of exagerration and mistaken identity more than anything? At least Cook owned it and apologised to Carey.
Pretty much, yeah, it was Jimmy Peirson (backup of the backup), and he did, in fact, pay. The kerfuffle came from it being a cash only business, and Peirson did not have any, so he tried a bank transfer, which got held up due to it being international.
While Cook owned it, it was still an outrageously scummy thing to do to perpetuate a completely unsubstantiated rumour, causing it to gain traction, resulting in a torrent of outlandish abuse.
He just wanted to jump on the Carey-bashing bandwagon after the Bairstow stumping, which is not something a dignified pundit should ever be doing. It's Piers Morgan level, which is just embarrassing for the sport.
Oh I agree that was pretty poor from Cook. Bit weird given he seems a decent bloke, but spreading shit rumours like that is not a good look.
Part of a deliberate campaign to make the tour as hostile as possible.
Today spilled over because they're paranoid of the same being done to them.. and they're very adept at playing victim.
Right...and the English players looked unbothered, both here, and Stokes happily posing for photos with those local radio DJs at Noosa? This security guy looks like he got out the wrong side of bed, otherwise this story is a complete storm in a teacup.
Counterpoint, remember what they did to Carey and therefore crucify the media for both things
Second time I've heard of security overreach by the poms this tour, the other is at the stadium people are being ID'd as hecklers by British security and being removed at the gabba by stadium staff, not a good look.
England deserves all these hostilities since they did not do their job properly. They had only one job to play professional cricket but their arrogant attitude towards test cricket is diluting the historical importance to Ashes cricket.
My word I desperately hope you get people you don’t know needlessly pestering you when you have a bad day in your place of employment. Assuming you even have a place of employment that is.
“Place of employment” lmao clowns will still pretend that representing a nation in a professional sport should be even remotely similar to some random’s 9-5
Rushing to the defence of the person that thinks it’s acceptable to accost people that are minding their own business is a fucking odd take. And even if there is some karmic punishment for representing your nation and thus far failing, I don’t think some annoying aussie news cameraman with an axe to grind should be the harbinger of it.
You have some fucking nerve calling others a clown.
Who else would be the harbinger? They are literally the media.
Don’t agree with the airport stop, but the comparison to others’ desk jobs is laughable. 100% clown opinion, sorry it upset you but is what it is.
I used the example of a “desk job” to make the point to the commenter that agreeing with accosting someone in public because of their performance off the field is ridiculous.
I haven’t compared the nature of any jobs at all. That’s something you ran with. Clown-like.
You literally even just said you agreed with my point. But here you are, moaning. Go enjoy your Sunday fella
The media hostility they’re getting from media in appropriate contexts (from their own as well as Australian) is deserved, a random person getting media hostility for underperforming at their normal desk job would not be. That’s the clownishness of the actual point you were trying to make.
My Sunday’s going fine, cheers. Same as yours. You can stop replying too if you think this is all beneath you?
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