Someone got creative, spent a bunch of time designing it, sent it through to production, but forgot to actually, ya know, test it. Hey, why don't we put sides on wheels next? They're way too boring being round!
Chat GPT told one of the execs at Hasbro that this is more efficient. Hasbro has been ruining all of their products of late. Wizards of the Coast makes up for the majority of their profits and they’re alienating D&D and MTG fans too.
They had this shitty cup before AI. So the enshitification was done because smaller cup = less plastic so cheaper to make while still charging full price. AKA let's see how cheap we can make this to create more profit. Plus that cup also allows for a smaller box to pack it into. Hence the flatter shape. It's all just make things cheaper for more profit. But in my opinion the games a different game without the real cup.
Yeah, Hasbro has been on a death spiral for a while, their focus on AI has only accelerated it. Most of their subsidiaries are bleeding money, including their toys and board games. Magic the Gathering was singlehandedly keeping them afloat for so long and now they’re trying their best to make that go into the red as well. This year they released a Spiderman-themed MTG set where 40 of the cards were slightly different versions of Spiderman, and one of the artifacts was a camera.
If I had to guess, it's to stop people from trick rolling to get the exact roll they need. It's harder to rig the roll if you're not directly manipulating them.
Exactly! The cup is loud af especially when over zealous people that dont have misophonia and sensory issues are playing. They shake the hell out of the cup like its maracas. Just hold the dice in your hand and roll them. Youre not making a martini.
Some people like the sound and excitement that comes with shaking the cup. Have you tried asking them to play quieter when playing with them or do you just complain online about easily solvable issues?
I'm not saying there's not another solution, but two halves that click together leaves a point of failure over time. A solid piece cup or container is definitely the better option long term. The easier solution would be slightly smaller dice.
What's funny is I've had the same black container that OP has and I've never had issues with it. I've had it for years. I wonder if they slightly changed the design or maybe changed the dice that come with it?
but two halves that click together leaves a point of failure over time.
I get your point, but it's not better to instead include something that is shit immediately.
The overall problem is, there wasn't a problem with the cup. But in order for numbers to go up, always and forever, first maybe they printed instructions on double sided bible-paper-thin paper, next maybe they used cheaper cardboard, replaced some of the molded interior packaging with shitty plastic bags, then some bonehead decided to finally cheap out on the thing that makes the game the game and the last thing they can make shitty is the dice cup. The absolute last thing to go will be the dice, they'll replace them with something shitty and short-term so that you have to re-buy the game over time. Or maybe it will be an app with a subscription required to virtually roll the dice for you, and an ecosystem of Yahtz-bucks that you can buy through the app, and make your virtual dice gold colored, or pink with unicorns.
In another life where I didn't give an absolute FUCK about anyone but myself, maybe I'd have gone into marketing.
I don't disagree, but no matter the company, things are going to change.
The cup was dated. It worked great, but no company keeps their product exactly the same forever. I'm not saying they replaced it with a good replacement, but I understand why they changed it. If it made the box smaller, that's not just a benefit for shipping, that's a benefit for my cabinet where all my games are.
Rather than just giving the cup of refresh, they completely redesigned it and fucked it up. No doubt about that. It sucks for the consumer, but that's business and part of old companies trying to stay relevant. If companies never tried to make changes and update products, we'd still be using some real shitty products compared to what we have now. Many of those updates are a huge success, but some of them crash and burn like the new yahtzee cup.
It's very possible that Yahtzee will realize this mistake after ending up with feedback and frustrated customers, then update the cup again to a (hopefully) better design.
Product changes suck, but they're often times an improvement. For every shitty updated product that we're all talking about and complaining about, there are probably a dozen other really good updated products that no one's talking about because there's nothing to complain about. Change is necessary for improvement so I try not to get too upset at it. If a company is continually changing things and fucking it up every time, then I'll stray away from that company. Otherwise I usually try to give companies a shot at redeeming themselves.
Surprised shit even comes with a cup anymore. We've got a collection of board games from the 90's that we've been playing regularly for the last 30 some years and they've stood the test of time. Can't imagine this shit lasting more than a handful. Yahtzee we got has a nice felt-lined tray and a really nice felt-lined cup all decked-out in nice designs, stuff you couldnt dream of finding now.
Is that actually an official Yahtzee dice shaker? I can't imagine how that's cheaper to produce or more functional than the simple cup they used to provide, weird that they'd change it. How does it work when more than 2 dice are inside?
I have the same cup for the Yahtzee set I bought a few years ago and I've never had any issues with them getting stuck. It makes me think they either slightly changed the cup design since then or maybe started shipping it with different dice than it was originally designed for?
I'm sorry you managed to land the combo that doesn't work together! I'd be tempted to grind away the inner edge where they get stuck with a file or Dremel. I hope you find a solution of some sort so it doesn't keep happening.
Probably manufacture a lot of different dice and the QC is just making sure there are dice at this point and not even the correct one.
Companies used to do stuff for consumers because it was cool and not just because they could maximize profit. Now it’s literally all about margin and hoping people also like what it is but if not it’s whatever because your company still made ____ amount of money by being straight greedy.
Yahtzee is similar to a Scandinavian game called Yatzy, both of which are based off of an older public domain game called yacht. You might have some some variations of Yacht or Yatzy and thought they were Yahtzee at a glance due to the similar names. The Yahtzee name is owned by Hasbro (formerly Milton Bradley).
We’re actually paying right now! We never use the cup bc the newer one is too loud so we just use our hands. I miss the old felt lined cup from when I was a kid
I wish I knew exactly. I don’t know how old the actual box we had was I just remember the felt cup when we played car camping as a kid so maybe late 90s/early 2000s
It's satisfying to put all the dice in and hear the rattle as they all shake around. Also makes it ever-so-slightly more fair by making it harder to throw dice in a way that they slide, although that's barely even a concern since it takes some skill to game the dice that way.
When you roll 5 dice with your hands it can be a little chaotic and the dice go everywhere especially on a slippery table. The blue cup lets you roll a little tidier so the dice stay in a smaller area, don't fall off the table, etc.
Was just playing today with my family. Some people prefer the cup and some prefer hands. I prefer cup, my dad prefers hands.
How long before they remove the dice entirely and just change it to an electronic doohickey that generates five numbers between 1-6 at random when a button is pressed, and which requires two AAA batteries to work?
I own one of those, but it's a solo game. Yahtzee has gone beyond handheld games now and created a phone app to allow you to play Yahtzee with Buddies.
What happened to the cup? It used to come with a cup.
Cup was too simple and worked all the time.
Someone got creative, spent a bunch of time designing it, sent it through to production, but forgot to actually, ya know, test it. Hey, why don't we put sides on wheels next? They're way too boring being round!
Enshitdiceification
Can confirm. With the original cup I threw yathzee all the time.
Chat GPT told one of the execs at Hasbro that this is more efficient. Hasbro has been ruining all of their products of late. Wizards of the Coast makes up for the majority of their profits and they’re alienating D&D and MTG fans too.
They had this shitty cup before AI. So the enshitification was done because smaller cup = less plastic so cheaper to make while still charging full price. AKA let's see how cheap we can make this to create more profit. Plus that cup also allows for a smaller box to pack it into. Hence the flatter shape. It's all just make things cheaper for more profit. But in my opinion the games a different game without the real cup.
Yeah, Hasbro has been on a death spiral for a while, their focus on AI has only accelerated it. Most of their subsidiaries are bleeding money, including their toys and board games. Magic the Gathering was singlehandedly keeping them afloat for so long and now they’re trying their best to make that go into the red as well. This year they released a Spiderman-themed MTG set where 40 of the cards were slightly different versions of Spiderman, and one of the artifacts was a camera.
What happened to hands?
If I had to guess, it's to stop people from trick rolling to get the exact roll they need. It's harder to rig the roll if you're not directly manipulating them.
Makes sense, except what kinda loser do u have to be to try and rig Yahtzee
You’d be a winner, not a loser
Exactly! The cup is loud af especially when over zealous people that dont have misophonia and sensory issues are playing. They shake the hell out of the cup like its maracas. Just hold the dice in your hand and roll them. Youre not making a martini.
Honestly, my Yahtzee has just never come with a cup..
Misophonia actually sucks
No one understands how certain sounds instantly trigger another person.
Some people like the sound and excitement that comes with shaking the cup. Have you tried asking them to play quieter when playing with them or do you just complain online about easily solvable issues?
Growing up I had the cup.
This is flat so the box is about half as thick and is cheaper to ship and takes up less shelf space.
A cup could easily come in two halves that click together.
I'm not saying there's not another solution, but two halves that click together leaves a point of failure over time. A solid piece cup or container is definitely the better option long term. The easier solution would be slightly smaller dice.
What's funny is I've had the same black container that OP has and I've never had issues with it. I've had it for years. I wonder if they slightly changed the design or maybe changed the dice that come with it?
I get your point, but it's not better to instead include something that is shit immediately.
The overall problem is, there wasn't a problem with the cup. But in order for numbers to go up, always and forever, first maybe they printed instructions on double sided bible-paper-thin paper, next maybe they used cheaper cardboard, replaced some of the molded interior packaging with shitty plastic bags, then some bonehead decided to finally cheap out on the thing that makes the game the game and the last thing they can make shitty is the dice cup. The absolute last thing to go will be the dice, they'll replace them with something shitty and short-term so that you have to re-buy the game over time. Or maybe it will be an app with a subscription required to virtually roll the dice for you, and an ecosystem of Yahtz-bucks that you can buy through the app, and make your virtual dice gold colored, or pink with unicorns.
In another life where I didn't give an absolute FUCK about anyone but myself, maybe I'd have gone into marketing.
I’ve bought and used collapsible cups
I don't disagree, but no matter the company, things are going to change.
The cup was dated. It worked great, but no company keeps their product exactly the same forever. I'm not saying they replaced it with a good replacement, but I understand why they changed it. If it made the box smaller, that's not just a benefit for shipping, that's a benefit for my cabinet where all my games are.
Rather than just giving the cup of refresh, they completely redesigned it and fucked it up. No doubt about that. It sucks for the consumer, but that's business and part of old companies trying to stay relevant. If companies never tried to make changes and update products, we'd still be using some real shitty products compared to what we have now. Many of those updates are a huge success, but some of them crash and burn like the new yahtzee cup.
It's very possible that Yahtzee will realize this mistake after ending up with feedback and frustrated customers, then update the cup again to a (hopefully) better design.
Product changes suck, but they're often times an improvement. For every shitty updated product that we're all talking about and complaining about, there are probably a dozen other really good updated products that no one's talking about because there's nothing to complain about. Change is necessary for improvement so I try not to get too upset at it. If a company is continually changing things and fucking it up every time, then I'll stray away from that company. Otherwise I usually try to give companies a shot at redeeming themselves.
Surprised shit even comes with a cup anymore. We've got a collection of board games from the 90's that we've been playing regularly for the last 30 some years and they've stood the test of time. Can't imagine this shit lasting more than a handful. Yahtzee we got has a nice felt-lined tray and a really nice felt-lined cup all decked-out in nice designs, stuff you couldnt dream of finding now.
You can still buy those cups in my country, made of leather or whatever you fancy. I even found the trays as well
No time for a cup. We need a functioning human digestive system dice roller.
I thought this was Bender at first glance
Bite his shiny, metal yahtzee ass
He started his own Yahtzee, with hookers and blackjack.
I thought it was upside-down Larry the Cucumber.
I thought it was a toilet paper dispenser.
Is that actually an official Yahtzee dice shaker? I can't imagine how that's cheaper to produce or more functional than the simple cup they used to provide, weird that they'd change it. How does it work when more than 2 dice are inside?
It’s official.
I doubt it’s cheaper to produce or more functional. But it makes the box thinner so it’s cheaper to ship and store. I’m sure that’s it.
I have the same cup for the Yahtzee set I bought a few years ago and I've never had any issues with them getting stuck. It makes me think they either slightly changed the cup design since then or maybe started shipping it with different dice than it was originally designed for?
I'm sorry you managed to land the combo that doesn't work together! I'd be tempted to grind away the inner edge where they get stuck with a file or Dremel. I hope you find a solution of some sort so it doesn't keep happening.
Probably manufacture a lot of different dice and the QC is just making sure there are dice at this point and not even the correct one.
Companies used to do stuff for consumers because it was cool and not just because they could maximize profit. Now it’s literally all about margin and hoping people also like what it is but if not it’s whatever because your company still made ____ amount of money by being straight greedy.
It is. We have the same cup.
Now, more efficient. Space saver
There's an official Yahtzee? I assumed it was one of those unlicensed games thats been around for centuries.
Yahtzee is a trade mark. The game has been around under various names for centuries under various name but not this.
This is why in 51 clubhouse games for Nintendo switch it's called yacht dice
Yahtzee is similar to a Scandinavian game called Yatzy, both of which are based off of an older public domain game called yacht. You might have some some variations of Yacht or Yatzy and thought they were Yahtzee at a glance due to the similar names. The Yahtzee name is owned by Hasbro (formerly Milton Bradley).
We’re actually paying right now! We never use the cup bc the newer one is too loud so we just use our hands. I miss the old felt lined cup from when I was a kid
How long ago was that? When I was a kid, I only ever saw the red, plastic, verically ribbed cup with the smooth interior.
I've used both. I had the red lined cup at my home growing up, while I used the felt lined cup at my grandparent's house.
I wish I knew exactly. I don’t know how old the actual box we had was I just remember the felt cup when we played car camping as a kid so maybe late 90s/early 2000s
You can pick one up for around $10 or so on ebay.
My hands are free
They don't like your hands though.
Felt lined cup? I know it probably wasn't but damn that sounds swanky compared to the cheap red plastic cup they had in our set.
After a Google search it might have been the deluxe edition? I’m not sure
Can confirm as I have one.
It’s so loud! We put paper towels in the bottom of ours.
Welcome to 2025. Where everything is a cheap piece of shit that doesn’t work.
This is what happens when executives and shareholders extract wealth through enshitification
The epitome of “you had one job”…
A job that isn't even necessary, since there's absolutely 0 reason for any cups when playing Yahtzee
Children and the elderly absolutely have a reason to use a cup.
genuine question: why do one needs a dice shaker in the first place? Your fingers can do just that, right?
To make people more inclined to pay for a board game that basically boils down to five dice and a pad of paper.
It's satisfying to put all the dice in and hear the rattle as they all shake around. Also makes it ever-so-slightly more fair by making it harder to throw dice in a way that they slide, although that's barely even a concern since it takes some skill to game the dice that way.
When you roll 5 dice with your hands it can be a little chaotic and the dice go everywhere especially on a slippery table. The blue cup lets you roll a little tidier so the dice stay in a smaller area, don't fall off the table, etc.
Was just playing today with my family. Some people prefer the cup and some prefer hands. I prefer cup, my dad prefers hands.
The aural experience
I don’t need one. My 5 year old does.
Yeah, but it's more fun to use the cup.
Fuck it, get smaller die
But then we have to get smaller score cards
Then reading glasses
then smaller friends
then it's a small world!!!
Ok, I'm in!
No no that's a different game!
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Forgot which sub I was in--Smallworld!
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/40692/small-world
Smaller stuff but bigger gameplay? And how!
Your kitchen is full of cups. Use one of those
I use exclusively camelbak bladders
Still a better dice cup than this.
Honey, get the good china. We're playing Yahtzee tonight.
We have a Yahtzee set that came with a blue cup and it's nothing like this. It's just normal cup shaped and works great. No edges to catch.
I guess this is a newer design? Sad to see it become enshittified :/
That's enshittification at work, it used to be leather, just a nice leather cup with a fuzzy interior.
Yes! It also doesn’t stand up…for some reason.
That is the upside-down head of Bender Bending Rodriguez
Try a small plastic cup.
Can you warm it with a heat gun or a hairdryer On the hot setting and widen that area by trying to insert a golf ball Maybe?
I love this idea. I'll try that.
How long before they remove the dice entirely and just change it to an electronic doohickey that generates five numbers between 1-6 at random when a button is pressed, and which requires two AAA batteries to work?
I own one of those, but it's a solo game. Yahtzee has gone beyond handheld games now and created a phone app to allow you to play Yahtzee with Buddies.
The app should require you to shake your phone when it's your turn to "roll."
you can actually use those meat tubes on the end of your arm to roll dice, hope this helps
finish with a file
SNAKE EYES!
Shake it?
Let me ask you this. Does your household own a cup?