This is one of my biggest pet peeves. I have long femurs and I need room on the sides of the toilet for my legs, but people insist on installing them with no fucking space on one or both sides. Drives me bonkers.
Yeah but still my buddy who contracts in construction heād have a field day with this. This to him would be equivalent to the gates of hell if not past it. Whoever PMād the construction whether the construction manager or whoever it would be a very long talk and I wouldnāt want to be there.
I'd be curious to hear what your buddy would recommend in this case, assuming the principle of "minimize horizontal surfaces in public spaces" applies.
Honestly I have no idea. Heās the expert and youād have to ask him.
But if youāre asking me for my opinion (strictly speaking).
From observation and in construction staring at a picture doesnāt give you the full picture (no pun intended here) so youād need to see it in person or get a 3D image of whatās underneath there.
Almost any pipes can be re-routed but itās a break down of cost analysis and really what are you cutting or saving where.
But then thereās the principle of functionality. We are building this for what reason? Oh yeah for people to use the toilet. How are they going to use the toilet. There has to be adequate space for people to actually sit on a toilet (think of accommodation for anyone with a disability that is required in most buildings these days they didnāt even do that).
this is a function issue and should be stated as being obsolete or a complete failure. This should not have passed inspection and Iām shocked that it did.
If I did not fully answer your question let me know.
Nobody is suggesting that this cramped space is what anyone would design from scratch. But in the case where you have that particular space and you have a choice between adding a suboptimal toilet area and having no toilet, most people would choose the former. Similarly if there is a pipe there, covering it up -- even in this weird way -- is probably better than not.
Of course with a large enough budget you can rearrange or rebuild anything but that is neither here nor there.
I get what youāre saying. My buddy would disagree with you and I will certainly screen shot this and show him but like I said I am no expert. I just know him. Heās gonna look at this and lose his sh*t. lol š
they aren't doubting your evaluation, they are saying that their buddy would STILL disagree because there is very likely a way to do it right or better even with the circumstances you described
why are you being so defensive over the potential for a disagreement??? if you're so confident, then there's no need to preempt it like this, just let it happen and then counter it after the fact, it won't hurt you
Seeing your conversation and as a purely hobbyist homeowner Iād have considered making it a wet room to get rid of the shower enclosure and find a better place with the new open plan!
Contractor here. Without seeing the rest of the room, where this is, if it's on a slab or crawl, if that wall is wood or metal framing, concrete, etc. I can't really give a definitive answer, but if you just wanted to get rid of that section of slanted wall, I would need to know why this was done, if there was a structural element, plumbing pipe, electrical, etc. under there. If there was no clear way to find out by looking at all the adjoining spaces, you would have to demo out a section to see what is under there. There's really no best case scenario here, but "best case" if it was just some terrible design choice, you could reframe it or chip out the concrete, whatever needs to be done to make it flat, but now you have to redo all backer board, tile, and flooring. If it's a plumbing, electrical, etc. line, you may be able to reroute it, but if that's on a slab, that means sawcutting the floor, trenching, patching back, new flooring, new tile, etc. Worst case it's something structural and if you STILL wanted to do it, that involves getting a Structural Engineer involved and that isn't even guaranteed they can give you a solution to fix it. Like I said, without seeing the rest of the room, I can't really give a good recommendation, but if they did have room to relocate the toilet or make this room a wet room and build out a small water closet nearby, I would suggest pulling the toilet, cap the plumbing, and build a custom piece of storage casework that would fit that space to the exact dimensions. ALL these options would be absolutely one of the worst cost to value ratios for the owners, so my recommendation would be to just leave it and tell them to please heed my advice to not hire a "I know a guy" or someone who comes in and claims "oh this is easy. I can take care of this for you". If the room has enough space to redesign it to a more funtional space, the best and honestly probably cheapest option would be to demo out the entire bathroom and do it right the first time, especially if we could salvage and re-use things like the glass shower partitions, vanity, sink, fixtures, and accessories. I'm sure there will be other contractors on here that think I'm stupid because this is a "easy, quick, big money job", but 1. I'm not in the business of screwing people over and could not take this job in good faith. 2. Those "easy, quick, big money jobs" are almost ALWAYS the ones that turn into the biggest clusterfucks that drag out to the point you just hope to break even and salvage your relationship with the owner. 3. I take pride in my work and no matter what I did, it still has a terrible layout and the owners will most definitely not be happy over time with the fix even though I wasn't the one who did the shit design in the first place. 4. Even with the fix, it's still not to code, but since I touched it last, I now own it. If the owners didn't agree to tear out the bathroom and start over, I would turn this job down and try to help them understand it's not worth it for what is ultimately an inconvenience. Bottom line is I would need way more information to give a 100% legit answer, but that's pretty close anyway based on 30 years of experience. Hope that helps and hope you had a wonderful holiday!!!
No problem! Yeah I didn't see that part haha. Basically the toilet should never have been put there and that slant isn't coming out without some structural modifications, if it's even possible. It's still bad design, but I've sadly seen much much worse!
This reeks of poor communication. Everyone from the designer to the various contractors treating the emerging shitshow as Someone Else's Problem just let the turd snowball. Props to the tile team who managed to semi-successfully tile over the aftermath.
Right, exactly! š I wasnāt quite sure how to articulate this but āsh*t rolls down hillā quite summarizes it upā¦and the tilers did the best they could cause itās not their fault at allā¦
At this rate the toilet would have been better off raised on a platform. Itās already not handicap friendly so at least make it semi-friendly to part of the population.
I guess it's one of those attics that were renovated for apartments, so there's a structural reason for that small slope. And since having a shower stall looks sophisticated (you can have paneling in your bathroom! wow, so deluxe!) so they didn't want go with the basic ass "take a dump while taking a shower" option.
It's because no one asked "why?" Because we live in a day and age of stupidity and mediocrity. Several people could have stopped and sincerely questioned the choice but they were all too lazy or stupid to. That's our world, welcome to Mediocrity Land
That looks like a toilet brush to me. They are installed in many European hotel rooms. Although Iām not sure if this is a European hotel room, but it looks very familiar.
Between the sloped floor, cramped space, and toilet paper around the corner, if that's a shower right there it'd probably be simpler and easier to just crap in the shower.
I was thinking it must suck to have no toilet paper or a spot for one. Then I noticed it all the way around the counter. No way I would actually see that while I was on the toilet
Damn, this is just a little worse that the Wethead shower\toilet combo in my Sprinter RV, my setup didn't have the angled corner at the floor like this, but it was not tall enough for me to stand while showering
Took me a minute to see the catastrophe that is the tile by the floor. What the hell were they thinking?
Shit side saddle IDFK
Would make sense except there's no room to either side for the legs.
This is one of my biggest pet peeves. I have long femurs and I need room on the sides of the toilet for my legs, but people insist on installing them with no fucking space on one or both sides. Drives me bonkers.
The toilet paper is so far away too. š
Itās around the freakin corner
45 degree tilt backwards over it, airdrop
There's probably a pipe under there or something structural they can't move.
Yeah but still my buddy who contracts in construction heād have a field day with this. This to him would be equivalent to the gates of hell if not past it. Whoever PMād the construction whether the construction manager or whoever it would be a very long talk and I wouldnāt want to be there.
I'd be curious to hear what your buddy would recommend in this case, assuming the principle of "minimize horizontal surfaces in public spaces" applies.
Honestly I have no idea. Heās the expert and youād have to ask him.
But if youāre asking me for my opinion (strictly speaking).
From observation and in construction staring at a picture doesnāt give you the full picture (no pun intended here) so youād need to see it in person or get a 3D image of whatās underneath there.
Almost any pipes can be re-routed but itās a break down of cost analysis and really what are you cutting or saving where.
But then thereās the principle of functionality. We are building this for what reason? Oh yeah for people to use the toilet. How are they going to use the toilet. There has to be adequate space for people to actually sit on a toilet (think of accommodation for anyone with a disability that is required in most buildings these days they didnāt even do that). this is a function issue and should be stated as being obsolete or a complete failure. This should not have passed inspection and Iām shocked that it did.
If I did not fully answer your question let me know.
Nobody is suggesting that this cramped space is what anyone would design from scratch. But in the case where you have that particular space and you have a choice between adding a suboptimal toilet area and having no toilet, most people would choose the former. Similarly if there is a pipe there, covering it up -- even in this weird way -- is probably better than not.
Of course with a large enough budget you can rearrange or rebuild anything but that is neither here nor there.
I get what youāre saying. My buddy would disagree with you and I will certainly screen shot this and show him but like I said I am no expert. I just know him. Heās gonna look at this and lose his sh*t. lol š
I said the design is bad. I said that it's ugly and impractical. And I explained why it was likely done that way anyway.
What do you think he would disagree with me on? And which of the things I said do you disagree about?
oh my god this thread is exhausting to read
they aren't doubting your evaluation, they are saying that their buddy would STILL disagree because there is very likely a way to do it right or better even with the circumstances you described
why are you being so defensive over the potential for a disagreement??? if you're so confident, then there's no need to preempt it like this, just let it happen and then counter it after the fact, it won't hurt you
I sent him the screenshots. As soon as he responds I will post. Like I said, I am no expertā¦
For the record the stairs to go downstairs are directly below said toilet
That angle you're seeing in the tiles is the stairwell
If we are vetting against disability access, then there are no handles either here.
Seeing your conversation and as a purely hobbyist homeowner Iād have considered making it a wet room to get rid of the shower enclosure and find a better place with the new open plan!
Contractor here. Without seeing the rest of the room, where this is, if it's on a slab or crawl, if that wall is wood or metal framing, concrete, etc. I can't really give a definitive answer, but if you just wanted to get rid of that section of slanted wall, I would need to know why this was done, if there was a structural element, plumbing pipe, electrical, etc. under there. If there was no clear way to find out by looking at all the adjoining spaces, you would have to demo out a section to see what is under there. There's really no best case scenario here, but "best case" if it was just some terrible design choice, you could reframe it or chip out the concrete, whatever needs to be done to make it flat, but now you have to redo all backer board, tile, and flooring. If it's a plumbing, electrical, etc. line, you may be able to reroute it, but if that's on a slab, that means sawcutting the floor, trenching, patching back, new flooring, new tile, etc. Worst case it's something structural and if you STILL wanted to do it, that involves getting a Structural Engineer involved and that isn't even guaranteed they can give you a solution to fix it. Like I said, without seeing the rest of the room, I can't really give a good recommendation, but if they did have room to relocate the toilet or make this room a wet room and build out a small water closet nearby, I would suggest pulling the toilet, cap the plumbing, and build a custom piece of storage casework that would fit that space to the exact dimensions. ALL these options would be absolutely one of the worst cost to value ratios for the owners, so my recommendation would be to just leave it and tell them to please heed my advice to not hire a "I know a guy" or someone who comes in and claims "oh this is easy. I can take care of this for you". If the room has enough space to redesign it to a more funtional space, the best and honestly probably cheapest option would be to demo out the entire bathroom and do it right the first time, especially if we could salvage and re-use things like the glass shower partitions, vanity, sink, fixtures, and accessories. I'm sure there will be other contractors on here that think I'm stupid because this is a "easy, quick, big money job", but 1. I'm not in the business of screwing people over and could not take this job in good faith. 2. Those "easy, quick, big money jobs" are almost ALWAYS the ones that turn into the biggest clusterfucks that drag out to the point you just hope to break even and salvage your relationship with the owner. 3. I take pride in my work and no matter what I did, it still has a terrible layout and the owners will most definitely not be happy over time with the fix even though I wasn't the one who did the shit design in the first place. 4. Even with the fix, it's still not to code, but since I touched it last, I now own it. If the owners didn't agree to tear out the bathroom and start over, I would turn this job down and try to help them understand it's not worth it for what is ultimately an inconvenience. Bottom line is I would need way more information to give a 100% legit answer, but that's pretty close anyway based on 30 years of experience. Hope that helps and hope you had a wonderful holiday!!!
For what it's worth OP subsequently added that there is a stairway under the slanted part.
Thanks for your input!
No problem! Yeah I didn't see that part haha. Basically the toilet should never have been put there and that slant isn't coming out without some structural modifications, if it's even possible. It's still bad design, but I've sadly seen much much worse!
Something that kills less people, probably. That is good material to sue with.
This reeks of poor communication. Everyone from the designer to the various contractors treating the emerging shitshow as Someone Else's Problem just let the turd snowball. Props to the tile team who managed to semi-successfully tile over the aftermath.
Right, exactly! š I wasnāt quite sure how to articulate this but āsh*t rolls down hillā quite summarizes it upā¦and the tilers did the best they could cause itās not their fault at allā¦
Isnāt every toilet the gates to hell? š¤ š©
I havenāt laughed that hard in a long timeā¦lol
Stairs is my guess.
Indeed, OP confirmed that in a follow-up comment
You were spot on - the OP mentioned that.
At this rate the toilet would have been better off raised on a platform. Itās already not handicap friendly so at least make it semi-friendly to part of the population.
I guess it's one of those attics that were renovated for apartments, so there's a structural reason for that small slope. And since having a shower stall looks sophisticated (you can have paneling in your bathroom! wow, so deluxe!) so they didn't want go with the basic ass "take a dump while taking a shower" option.
Best guess: not thinking at all
Pretty much. Someone left their mind on cache mode clearly.
Oh man thatās crazy! I didnāt notice anything at first till your comment! Thatās a sh*t show!
Should have put the toilet up on a small platform higher than that slanted section. Easy fix
In a certain way they are all Crappy Design
"not enough people die on the toilet, but we can fix this!"
As someone who is not small both vertically and horizontally Iām not convinced I could actually sit on that shitter
forcing users to sit down
It's because no one asked "why?" Because we live in a day and age of stupidity and mediocrity. Several people could have stopped and sincerely questioned the choice but they were all too lazy or stupid to. That's our world, welcome to Mediocrity Land
The TP is SO far away!
I was also coming here to comment on the TP being around the corner šš
It gets worse the longer you look at it.
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And away from the point of view of the victim.
It sucks when you run out of TP and going to get another roll means risking dropping poop crumbs or juice on the way.
That's it, no more words from you.
I will not be silenced!
TP is so far away itās practically a Dragon Force song
That looks like a toilet brush to me. They are installed in many European hotel rooms. Although Iām not sure if this is a European hotel room, but it looks very familiar.
White thing in the bottom left is TP.
Back left behind the toilet is the brush.
Its my SO parents place. Recently had their WC remodeled
You're telling me they did this on purpose?
It would appear so.
Previous one wasn't great either. It was carpeted.
You mean wrecked beyond usage.
6 and 2 3s
Not compliant with international building codes.
Not compliant with my wide ass either
Thatās why. Itās required to have 15ā from center line if toilet to walls or other fixtures.
Yup
Not compliant with my moderately sized feet either
I find that hard to believe, show me the proof
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And not conducive to sphincter relaxation.
Certainly not symmetrical relaxation!
Yup
Thank God this building is only in one country then!
Between the sloped floor, cramped space, and toilet paper around the corner, if that's a shower right there it'd probably be simpler and easier to just crap in the shower.
Drain has a cover.
I considered the waffle stomp but was thwarted
Man they thought of everything.. ā¹ļø
ok... what is the waffle stomp?
drains are typically in a pattern similar to that of a waffle. are you getting the picture or do i have to fully describe it?
Google "extrusion"
Well hell.
I would have raised the floor for the toilet. A single step isn't that bad.
Also. If you remove the cupboard on the left, it would be slightly more spacious for obese people.
This! Then it truly would be a throne!
Honestly, the longer you look at it, the worse it gets.
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What the heck? What is this? American Ninja Warrior of pooping?
Everything about this is a nightmare omg. Worst bathroom.
No leg room
Toilet paper a mile away
Tile gore
I was thinking it must suck to have no toilet paper or a spot for one. Then I noticed it all the way around the counter. No way I would actually see that while I was on the toilet
What in the name of all that is holy?! Why did they do that slope?!
At least then I'd only have less space than an airplane bathroom and not have to crap cross legged
it's for your tech deck, duh.Ā
Horrible, just horrible.
where is this travesty so that we may best avoid it.
Nowhere you'll be going. Your ass is safe
*pats my own ass* You're safe today, butt
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It gets worse the longer I look at it.
Iām disturbed by the clear glass and no visible TP.
TP shown in bottom left of image, round the corner from the john
I don't have a "wide stance" or anything. But it's wider than that.
Nyc has code for new construction of 10in clearance on either side.
Doesn't mean anything to someone from the UK
Would've been nice though
I had no clue what was so bad about the thing until I saw the wheelchair ramp
Are you staying in GuantƔnamo Bay?
Non compliant
Toilet bowl clearance
If this is in the uk you need to speak to the housing ombudsman because this is crazy
What if this is a remodel that my SO parents signed off on?
Throw them in jail for the crimes against humanity
I would leave more than a hand print
Yeah, no.
Waffle stomp in that there shower.
Drain has a cover
This looks uncomfortably familiar. On of the bathrooms at my university had a stall like this. Whoever designs johns like these needs therapy.
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MY FOOT CRINGED
dude, we've all had worse.
if not you should probably get out more.
You better wipe with your right hand
Stuff like this is common in Asia
sick quarter-pipe for me and my Tech Decks!
when people complain about building codes I know they haven't seen the alternative
This was how my house was set up when I was a child.
Squishy
Just needs another ramp on the other side to create a variable-height squatty potty
Who even thinks of this?
Would assume there is a staircase underneath
Where was this this is insanely bad lol. Also really fits with crappy design
Was it a shit experience?
Hope you're a right hand wiper...
This is at a friend's house, "Left leg Larry". He said he didn't know what all the fuss was about.
I thought you meant bc of no TP but now I see itā¦ far away around the corner on the left of the photo. YIKES
Wiping with the left is absolutely forbidden! Right hand wipers only!! And I wanna see the struggle!
the more you look, the worse it gets
Damn, this is just a little worse that the Wethead shower\toilet combo in my Sprinter RV, my setup didn't have the angled corner at the floor like this, but it was not tall enough for me to stand while showering
how are you supposed to stand while peeing?
I don't know what's worse, the shower making the toilet cramped, the weird slope on the floor, or the toilet paper being all the way around the corner
This is one of those rare instances where you have to stand on the seat and squat.
Please tell us why they did that slope
Gotta wear hoop earrings and hook your heels into em I guess? No space to open the knees? Thatās rough!
Yea Iām breaking that shower glass and sitting sideways. As god intended.
Nope, no way, no how.
Experience: 100 Privacy: 0
What is this? A toilet for ants?
Would 100% break my ankle peeing in the middle of the night.
There is so much wrong with this picture, I am frankly surprised there isnāt a nice wool carpet on the floor to compliment it.
I very much doubt that's up to code.
This is what the bathrooms in hell look like
I'd build a step 'squatty potty' style to have a flat place for the feet
my houses on the sims when i build from scratch xD
Effective use of space. Can't say anything else about it.
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I would shit on the floor, ngl
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The window will be yellow and brown everytime
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