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It's not just Reddit Marxist the modern communist party in Russia is pro Putin. And there's a lot of other people and groups that call me themselves communist are pro Russia. I bet the ACP are one of those groups.
This is a misconception. No Marxists that critically support Russia are under the assumption that it is a communist state- they critically support it for anti-imperialist reasons.
Liberation doesnt happen spontaneously. Losing the war like the one in Ukraine just might create an opening for an alternative political movement to gain traction.
Yeah. Lenin should have just supported the russian monarch during ww1 instead of taking the anti war stance. He should have waited and supported his fellow russian imperialists. He was stupid and you know more about Marxism than him. 🥴
These Marxists don't consider Russia imperialist because the US is currently the world's unipolar hegemon, and imperialism is a world system, a stage of capitalism. They don't see Russia as a part of this world imperialist system nor the Russo-Ukraine War as "inter-imperialist". From ProleWiki:
Unlike the western powers, Russia does not have any capital monopolies that control the world market or supply chains. Russia having Gazprom and an extraction industry doesn’t mean they are imperialist. The essence of imperialism is monopolistic on a global scale, which is precisely why Russia is not imperialist, not whether they have capital generally. A perfect example of monopolies that share the world amongst themselves is the West, specifically the United States in their control of the WEF, IMF, World Bank, and UN Security Council, allowing the western powers to enforce this dominance through jingoistic foreign policy, embargoes, and hindering the development of other countries. Neither Russia nor China has anywhere close to this level of global power through finance capital.
Russia lacks finance capital and division of the world's resources. It only has 4 of the top 100 corporations in the world and 6 of the top 500. 82% of Russian exports are raw materials, including 58% oil, 11% metal, and 6% food. In 2017, Russia imported $106.2 billion worth' of machine goods and only exported $12.8 billion. Russia does not have any of the top 100 corporations in terms of capital export, and most Russian capital export is capital flight to tax havens. Russia only controls 0.7% of the world's wealth and has much less wealth per adult than the United States ($8,843 vs $336,528). Russia has intervened militarily in other countries such as Yugoslavia, Georgia, Ukraine, and Syria, but not to seize natural resources like imperialist countries do.
It is still an oligarchy that fits most of Lenin's markers of imperialism. Its corporations are very much a part of the international market and their monopolies. Russia to a large degree mostly is still a part of the world imperialist order. It is just not as big of a part as the USA. You can quite similar statistics for a lot of European countries, does that mean that they are not imperialist either? There's a reason why aside from some rather tame measures, business between Russia and the West has continued. It's also very naïve to claim that Russian interventions did not have elements of imperial ambitions and did not aim to secure resources.
Honestly, even if all of that weren't true and we were to say that Russian is not part of the world imperialist order (which in my opinion is silly), it is still a DEEPLY right-wing country. So I seriously do not get the amount of supposed Marxists running heavy defense for Russia. At this point I am half-way convinced that a lot of leftist subs are very much compromised.
The Russian Federation may have imperial ambitions, but it has certainly not yet met them. It is very much not a part of the current US-led Western hegemony- we live in a unipolar world. Again:
Russia lacks finance capital and division of the world's resources. It only has 4 of the top 100 corporations in the world and 6 of the top 500. 82% of Russian exports are raw materials, including 58% oil, 11% metal, and 6% food. In 2017, Russia imported $106.2 billion worth' of machine goods and only exported $12.8 billion. Russia does not have any of the top 100 corporations in terms of capital export, and most Russian capital export is capital flight to tax havens. Russia only controls 0.7% of the world's wealth and has much less wealth per adult than the United States ($8,843 vs $336,528).
Also, Russia being "right-wing" does not change its position in international politics as part of the anti-imperialist bloc. Iran is also a right-wing country, but there is a reason why Marxists still critically support it in the field of IR. The DPRK and China have deepened military cooperation with Iran and Russia for that same reason. What, are you going to tell the PLFP and DFLP to stop working with Hamas because they are "right-wing"?
So I seriously do not get the amount of supposed Marxists running heavy defense for Russia. At this point I am half-way convinced that a lot of leftist subs are very much compromised.
This is incredibly ignorant. Russia has been an absolutely vital economic partner of socialist projects like Cuba (where the majority of Cubans have a favorable view of Russia) and Venezuela in recent decades. Russia and China recently proclaimed "China-Russia relations have reached the highest level in history". If you think that Marxist support for Russia is a purely Reddit phenomenon where "leftist subs are very much compromised", you're in a Western ultraleft bubble.
So a deeply right-wing and fascist country deserves your support because it has had solid trade agreements with China and Cuba? You do realize that a a lot of European countries do too, right? The world is bigger than the USA. None of that means that those countries are not part of the world imperialist order nor does it mean that they deserve the support from Marxists.
This honestly sounds like ACP or Maga communist rethoric. If you find yourself cheering on a fascist and deeply right-wing oligarchy that is a part of the ruling world order, is literally jailing people for reading Lenin and is using ethno-nationalistic rethoric to invade another country, I do not know how you can in good faith call yourself a socialist or communist. The enemy of your enemy is not always your friend.
What, are you going to tell the PLFP and DFLP to stop working with Hamas because they are "right-wing"?
Do you somehow think that Hamas is a fascist state that is embedded in the world order and is using hyper ethno-nationalistic rethoric to invade another country? Hamas is fighting for the oppressed. You are seriously lost in the sauce if you think that Russia is too.
Where did I "cheer on" Russia? My position is the same as China, Cuba, PSL, etc- critical support for Russia against the NATO imperialist threat and a hope for successful peace negotiations. The DPRK obviously takes an even more pro-Russia stance with its military support- are you going to go tell the WPK that they are not socialist or communist? Are they fascists? The smear attempt of "ACP/MAGA communist rhetoric" is braindead.
Again, Russia is not embedded in the current US-Western imperialist world order. I'll insert it again in hopes you will read it:
It only has 4 of the top 100 corporations in the world and 6 of the top 500. 82% of Russian exports are raw materials, including 58% oil, 11% metal, and 6% food. In 2017, Russia imported $106.2 billion worth' of machine goods and only exported $12.8 billion. Russia does not have any of the top 100 corporations in terms of capital export, and most Russian capital export is capital flight to tax havens. Russia only controls 0.7% of the world's wealth and has much less wealth per adult than the United States ($8,843 vs $336,528).
Yes, I read it. Similar stats apply to a lot of European countries. Do you then think that this proves that they too are not a part of the world order? It does not. Russian companies, financial institutions and rich families are very much intertwined with Western ones. It is just ridiculous to see them as somehow being this vanguard against Western imperialism. They would be no different than the USA if they had the same level of power and wealth.
I understand that it is not nice to hear, but the ACP and MAGA communism remark is not "braindead" because these are talking points they also use to support the fascist state that is Russia. You could quite literally use these same arguments to support Nazi Germany. They too persecuted leftists. They too were extremely fascist and right-wing. They too used some grand right-wing and nationalistic ideas to invade neighbouring countries. They too had economic struggles after losing a war with part of the Western world and used that to justify their aggression.
Yet they fought other Western imperial powers, so they are righteous allies to socialists and communists!? Make that make sense. I too want a peaceful resolution by the way, but that does not mean that I support Russia. Also, yes, I do not consider North Korea's support of Russia to be consistent with socialist and communist values considering that Russia is straight up persecuting those values and is championing an ideology that is the ANTITHESIS of communism. Do you think that North Korea is beyond reproach here?
The definition of Imperialism is "state policy, practice, or advocacy of extending power and dominion, especially by direct territorial acquisition or by gaining political and economic control of other areas."
I don't see any mention of capital monopolies or supply chains. I think any state willing to throw its own into the wood chipper to advance an agenda of restoring its old borders is morally reprehensible, and I won't support them in that endeavor just because it makes an enemy of the government that I live under.
I don't see any mention of capital monopolies or supply chains
So you're admitting that you haven't read Lenin and aren't a Marxist? Please visit the link I provided for you in my previous comment. You have some reading to do.
I'll be honest, I haven't read much of Lenin, nor do I know enough to claim to be a Marxist. I do know enough to believe in collective ownership and abolition of capitalism. I'll read your link.
I would also suggest reading Lenin's, "Imperialism the highest stage of capitalism". When you go and just look at the definition of the word imperialism, it's a more western/capitalist centric meaning.
If someone "critically" supports the Russian state then they are not even Marxist to begin with. A Marxist's allegiance should always be towards the emancipation of the working class not towards the bourgeoisie state. If any one thinks otherwise, they should reconsider their life.
they critically support it for anti-imperialist reasons.
This is a Joke, a bad one. A state can't be anti-imperialist while being an imperialist themselves.The russian state is only against imperialism directed by western bourgeois.
The USA and British were against Nazi imperialism not because they were against imperialism in general but because it did not suit their own bourgeois interest.
The russian state is only against imperialism directed by western bourgeois.
Yes, that is the reason why many Marxists proclaim CRITICAL SUPPORT and is one of the reasons for the DPRK's military support. The Western imperialist system is the current unipolar hegemon. It runs the world economy.
"Imperialism has layed its body over the world, the head in Eastern Asia, the heart in the Middle East, its arteries reaching Africa and Latin America. Wherever you strike it, you damage it, and you serve the World Revolution." - Ghassan Kanafani
If someone "critically" supports the Russian state then they are not even Marxist to begin with. A Marxist's allegiance should always be towards the emancipation of the working class not towards the bourgeoisie state. If any one thinks otherwise, they should reconsider their life.
The critical support is not towards the Russian state- it is of the country's opposition to NATO imperialism. The emancipation of the working class is only possible after the defeat of imperialism- the primary contradiction of the world post-1917 (this was Lenin's theoretical contribution to Marxism).
The emancipation of the working class is only possible after the defeat of imperialism- the primary contradiction of the world post-1917 (this was Lenin's theoretical contribution to Marxism).
And that defeat of primary contradiction is only possible through revolutionary socialist action, not by sitting around and waiting for a bourgeois state to do it for you. Lenin never said you have to wait till one day, magically the contradictions will solve themselves nor did he ever say that one must support a bourgeois state for fighting imperialism. The Russian bourgeois will only oppose imperialism as long as it benefits their material incentives.
And that defeat of primary contradiction is only possible through revolutionary socialist action, not by sitting around and waiting for a bourgeois state to do it for you. Lenin never said you have to wait till one day, magically the contradictions will solve themselves
I agree.
nor did he ever say that one must support a bourgeois state for fighting imperialism.
This is not true at all. Both Lenin and Mao recognized that the national bourgeoisie of colonized bourgeois nations have an interest in fighting imperialism. Look at the Philippine-American War and the Second Sino-Japanese War.
It will only oppose imperialism as long as it benefits their incentives.
The only way that would happen is if the working clsss from both Russia and Ukraine banned together to create a socialist state and kick out capitalist ruling class governing both countries
The KGB recruited him as a bureaucrat, calm down scooter. Im sure that if they knew that he'd eventually pay for glamourshots while he rode a horse topless, they would've spared the world that image.
Stalin fought a lot when he was young in Georgia because you have to too survive their and he was a revolutionary sent into cold Siberia and lead troops in the Russian revolution, That is made even more impressive if he had a physical disability, he was a chad Putin is bald ugly and counterrevolutionary
Lmao he himself admitted to being nothing but a carrierist, loss of USSR was nothing but loss of territories to him,not about overthrow of the proletariat state or socialism. This the reason USSR was overthrown, because of carrierists and opportunists being allowed to high ranks under the revisionist leadership in the party post 60s.
I know that he became an opportunist during the coup in the 90s, but I am interested in a source backing the claim that during his years in the KGB he was a careerist/opportunist.
No official sources back up the claim that they were sentenced solely for reading Lenin. Despite the state of modern Russia, they would not be sentenced to decades solely for that. It seems Lenin books are completely legal and well read in Russia, they would be arresting millions if that was the case. Official sources say they had homemade explosives, weapons, and plans; petty adventurism. Clickbait title.
Not sure there were actual plans, the FSB had a plant on the inside who recorded their conversations. Some of these guys were ex-donbass fighters so they probably said some crazy shit on camera. I'd assume just saying that they should seize power during a revolution would be enough to get jail time
"Indeed, the "committee of experts" assessed that ... Lenin's fundamental and emblematic work, "State and Revolution", constitutes a "terrorist manual""
"Indeed, the "committee of experts" assessed that ... Lenin's fundamental and emblematic work, "State and Revolution", constitutes a "terrorist manual"
Well technically that's true, I'm actually impressed that the Russian state is still so well informed to notice that.
Second Article reads: “It was reported that two RGD-5 grenades, Molotov cocktails, extremist literature, communications equipment, radios, clothing, and equipment for use in the field were confiscated from the detainees. Media reports claimed that the accused had created a Marxist circle in Ufa that was planning a coup d'état.”
“…"preparing for the violent seizure of power," "undergoing training for the purpose of carrying out terrorist activity," "preparing to steal ammunition, explosives, and explosive devices," "illegal possession of explosive devices," "organizing and participating in a terrorist organization," and "public calls for terrorist activity."”
No further information was disclosed from the mentioned article.
First article says:”According to investigators, they planned attacks on the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation (ICR) and a military unit in Ufa to seize weapons and ammunition. The goal of their organized terror was to establish a Soviet dictatorship—to achieve this, they needed to change the political and economic system.
According to investigators, Matisov, using his knowledge of combat tactics, conducted training exercises in shooting, making Molotov cocktails, and conducting combat operations. Their arsenal included a rifle with a telescopic sight, imitation grenades, blank-firing pistols, and radios. According to security officials, the defendants practiced with airsoft guns.
According to investigators, the organization had been active since 2019; the Marxists were arrested on March 25, 2022.
The Marxists claimed the criminal case was fabricated to "destroy Russian communist ideas." They claimed there was no terrorist organization, and all their talk was "drunken chatter."”
How do you know this? Can you share some evidence so as not to further the disinformation. Greek Communist Party has stated that these Russians were imprisoned for a reading group about, “The State and Revolution” by Lenin
It appears to be true but there's way, way more to it.
It wasn't just because he was "studying Lenin's 'State and Revolution'". They left out the fact that they were found with grenades and Molotov cocktails in their possession.
They were charged with the following crimes:
Participation in a terrorist community (Part 2 of Article 205.4 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation)
Attempt at the violent seizure of power (Part 1 of Article 30 of Article 278 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation)
Theft or extortion of weapons, ammunition, explosives and explosive devices committed by an organized group (and Part 1 of Article 30, paragraph "a" of Part 4 of Article 226 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation)
Public justification of terrorism or propaganda of terrorism (Part 2 of Article 205.2 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation)
Undergoing training for the purpose of carrying out terrorist activities (Article 205.3 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation)
They called in an expert to testify at their trial to justify the charge of "public justification of terrorism / propaganda of terrorism", which indeed included their possession of Marxist texts from Lenin, Marx and Engels. However, the possession of these books alone is not a crime and was not why they were convicted. They included these texts in the trial to claim that in combination with the defendant's own words calling for violent revolution, and possession of actual illegal weapons, they committed a crime under the Russian Federation's criminal code.
It's so pathetic that an ML sub like this has so many Putin meatriders. If a wide spread communist revolution were to happen in Russia tomorrow, this sub would rather support the reactionary russian forces than the russian proletariat.
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And yet libs will claim that russia is a communist state.
even worse than that, some reddit "marxists" do that too.
It's not just Reddit Marxist the modern communist party in Russia is pro Putin. And there's a lot of other people and groups that call me themselves communist are pro Russia. I bet the ACP are one of those groups.
This is a misconception. No Marxists that critically support Russia are under the assumption that it is a communist state- they critically support it for anti-imperialist reasons.
Which I also don’t understand because Russia is imperialist.
When imperial powers collide you should be rooting for the defeat of your own side.
no, for the defeat of both sides.
Why should you want the defeat of your side and not the other? If they’re both imperialists, would it make no difference who wins or loses?
Because a domestic crisis, like the loss of legitimacy tgst can come with losing a war, would be an opportunity for an organized left to seize power.
Wow that’s very smart. Learning actual theory helps so much rather than simply relying on my jingoistic liberal political science education.
I'll just be rooting for the liberation of people, not imperial powers.
"The liberation of people" is a vague and idealist notion that does not exist practically.
Liberation doesnt happen spontaneously. Losing the war like the one in Ukraine just might create an opening for an alternative political movement to gain traction.
Yeah. Lenin should have just supported the russian monarch during ww1 instead of taking the anti war stance. He should have waited and supported his fellow russian imperialists. He was stupid and you know more about Marxism than him. 🥴
Lenin rooted for his own side (Russia) to lose, rallied his comrades against the war, and then helped the communists take power…
I know. I was making a satire.
These Marxists don't consider Russia imperialist because the US is currently the world's unipolar hegemon, and imperialism is a world system, a stage of capitalism. They don't see Russia as a part of this world imperialist system nor the Russo-Ukraine War as "inter-imperialist". From ProleWiki:
It is still an oligarchy that fits most of Lenin's markers of imperialism. Its corporations are very much a part of the international market and their monopolies. Russia to a large degree mostly is still a part of the world imperialist order. It is just not as big of a part as the USA. You can quite similar statistics for a lot of European countries, does that mean that they are not imperialist either? There's a reason why aside from some rather tame measures, business between Russia and the West has continued. It's also very naïve to claim that Russian interventions did not have elements of imperial ambitions and did not aim to secure resources.
Honestly, even if all of that weren't true and we were to say that Russian is not part of the world imperialist order (which in my opinion is silly), it is still a DEEPLY right-wing country. So I seriously do not get the amount of supposed Marxists running heavy defense for Russia. At this point I am half-way convinced that a lot of leftist subs are very much compromised.
The Russian Federation may have imperial ambitions, but it has certainly not yet met them. It is very much not a part of the current US-led Western hegemony- we live in a unipolar world. Again:
Also, Russia being "right-wing" does not change its position in international politics as part of the anti-imperialist bloc. Iran is also a right-wing country, but there is a reason why Marxists still critically support it in the field of IR. The DPRK and China have deepened military cooperation with Iran and Russia for that same reason. What, are you going to tell the PLFP and DFLP to stop working with Hamas because they are "right-wing"?
This is incredibly ignorant. Russia has been an absolutely vital economic partner of socialist projects like Cuba (where the majority of Cubans have a favorable view of Russia) and Venezuela in recent decades. Russia and China recently proclaimed "China-Russia relations have reached the highest level in history". If you think that Marxist support for Russia is a purely Reddit phenomenon where "leftist subs are very much compromised", you're in a Western ultraleft bubble.
So a deeply right-wing and fascist country deserves your support because it has had solid trade agreements with China and Cuba? You do realize that a a lot of European countries do too, right? The world is bigger than the USA. None of that means that those countries are not part of the world imperialist order nor does it mean that they deserve the support from Marxists.
This honestly sounds like ACP or Maga communist rethoric. If you find yourself cheering on a fascist and deeply right-wing oligarchy that is a part of the ruling world order, is literally jailing people for reading Lenin and is using ethno-nationalistic rethoric to invade another country, I do not know how you can in good faith call yourself a socialist or communist. The enemy of your enemy is not always your friend.
Do you somehow think that Hamas is a fascist state that is embedded in the world order and is using hyper ethno-nationalistic rethoric to invade another country? Hamas is fighting for the oppressed. You are seriously lost in the sauce if you think that Russia is too.
Where did I "cheer on" Russia? My position is the same as China, Cuba, PSL, etc- critical support for Russia against the NATO imperialist threat and a hope for successful peace negotiations. The DPRK obviously takes an even more pro-Russia stance with its military support- are you going to go tell the WPK that they are not socialist or communist? Are they fascists? The smear attempt of "ACP/MAGA communist rhetoric" is braindead.
Again, Russia is not embedded in the current US-Western imperialist world order. I'll insert it again in hopes you will read it:
actually yeah
Yes, I read it. Similar stats apply to a lot of European countries. Do you then think that this proves that they too are not a part of the world order? It does not. Russian companies, financial institutions and rich families are very much intertwined with Western ones. It is just ridiculous to see them as somehow being this vanguard against Western imperialism. They would be no different than the USA if they had the same level of power and wealth.
I understand that it is not nice to hear, but the ACP and MAGA communism remark is not "braindead" because these are talking points they also use to support the fascist state that is Russia. You could quite literally use these same arguments to support Nazi Germany. They too persecuted leftists. They too were extremely fascist and right-wing. They too used some grand right-wing and nationalistic ideas to invade neighbouring countries. They too had economic struggles after losing a war with part of the Western world and used that to justify their aggression.
Yet they fought other Western imperial powers, so they are righteous allies to socialists and communists!? Make that make sense. I too want a peaceful resolution by the way, but that does not mean that I support Russia. Also, yes, I do not consider North Korea's support of Russia to be consistent with socialist and communist values considering that Russia is straight up persecuting those values and is championing an ideology that is the ANTITHESIS of communism. Do you think that North Korea is beyond reproach here?
So, Russia is not imperialist because it is bad at it?
The definition of Imperialism is "state policy, practice, or advocacy of extending power and dominion, especially by direct territorial acquisition or by gaining political and economic control of other areas."
I don't see any mention of capital monopolies or supply chains. I think any state willing to throw its own into the wood chipper to advance an agenda of restoring its old borders is morally reprehensible, and I won't support them in that endeavor just because it makes an enemy of the government that I live under.
THIS MF DIDN'T READ LENIN 🫵
Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism
I’m still a baby socialist 😭 I’m working on it
So you're admitting that you haven't read Lenin and aren't a Marxist? Please visit the link I provided for you in my previous comment. You have some reading to do.
I'll be honest, I haven't read much of Lenin, nor do I know enough to claim to be a Marxist. I do know enough to believe in collective ownership and abolition of capitalism. I'll read your link.
I would also suggest reading Lenin's, "Imperialism the highest stage of capitalism". When you go and just look at the definition of the word imperialism, it's a more western/capitalist centric meaning.
Yeah, I'm finding out that words can have "liberal" definitions.
🫡
Ngl, just this article provided a lot of context for things I knew, but didn't know why they were true. Thank you
It's anti-imperialist.
If someone "critically" supports the Russian state then they are not even Marxist to begin with. A Marxist's allegiance should always be towards the emancipation of the working class not towards the bourgeoisie state. If any one thinks otherwise, they should reconsider their life.
This is a Joke, a bad one. A state can't be anti-imperialist while being an imperialist themselves.The russian state is only against imperialism directed by western bourgeois. The USA and British were against Nazi imperialism not because they were against imperialism in general but because it did not suit their own bourgeois interest.
Yes, that is the reason why many Marxists proclaim CRITICAL SUPPORT and is one of the reasons for the DPRK's military support. The Western imperialist system is the current unipolar hegemon. It runs the world economy.
"Imperialism has layed its body over the world, the head in Eastern Asia, the heart in the Middle East, its arteries reaching Africa and Latin America. Wherever you strike it, you damage it, and you serve the World Revolution." - Ghassan Kanafani
The critical support is not towards the Russian state- it is of the country's opposition to NATO imperialism. The emancipation of the working class is only possible after the defeat of imperialism- the primary contradiction of the world post-1917 (this was Lenin's theoretical contribution to Marxism).
And that defeat of primary contradiction is only possible through revolutionary socialist action, not by sitting around and waiting for a bourgeois state to do it for you. Lenin never said you have to wait till one day, magically the contradictions will solve themselves nor did he ever say that one must support a bourgeois state for fighting imperialism. The Russian bourgeois will only oppose imperialism as long as it benefits their material incentives.
I agree.
This is not true at all. Both Lenin and Mao recognized that the national bourgeoisie of colonized bourgeois nations have an interest in fighting imperialism. Look at the Philippine-American War and the Second Sino-Japanese War.
I agree.
What is this Russia vs Ukraine shit? I only recognize the Soviet Union.
2026 is gonna be crazy
https://preview.redd.it/ng1kgp4ve08g1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=98ee56cbc470a75d1ac5d46a94a5719cae772b55
The only way that would happen is if the working clsss from both Russia and Ukraine banned together to create a socialist state and kick out capitalist ruling class governing both countries
The only way a revolution would happen is a revolution ahh
Sorry for being that guy
Kick out the oligarchs!
Maybe Europeans will learn a thing or two and kick their own oligarchs out as well.
USSR 2: Electric Boogaloo, now fascist instead of socialist, and NO elections 🤩
If this happens I will somehow find my way there.
Me when I LIE
Russian civil war
tbf, Stalin did worse to people who read Trotsky
Based.
huh, I didn't realize this was an anti-Trotsky sub
It's an anti-cringe sub.
Good.
https://preview.redd.it/u3te1lzpj08g1.jpeg?width=715&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5cf8570c816ef8500cba04eaaf5b3c71dda148a7
Reverse picture. Stalin couldn't properly use one hand and Putin has been training in martial arts most of his life
Putin is a weak guys idea of a strong guy. Hes a badass like Segal is: mostly in his head, because he pays people to make him look good.
You do understand that special agencies don't recruit such people?
Has putin robbed banks?
https://preview.redd.it/xp1ujhbn218g1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=78e9a07bb56caf36d60942b4435a7fc19e9d5b88
The KGB recruited him as a bureaucrat, calm down scooter. Im sure that if they knew that he'd eventually pay for glamourshots while he rode a horse topless, they would've spared the world that image.
Stalin fought a lot when he was young in Georgia because you have to too survive their and he was a revolutionary sent into cold Siberia and lead troops in the Russian revolution, That is made even more impressive if he had a physical disability, he was a chad Putin is bald ugly and counterrevolutionary
Stalin was a gangster who beat people and robbee banks, he is also known foe being decent with rifles and SMGs
And also known not to be able to use one hand as he had a disability.
Ableism much?
The picture is about physical shape.
Ah there's the issue; you've misinterpreted the meme as being about physique.
And in other departments such as education it's also not in Stalin's favour. Law grad economics PhD Putin vs religion school dropout Stalin.
Considering how the Ukraine war turned out let’s not overestimate Putin’s intelligence
Neither are commanding the army.
Ye Putin was never an ally of the working class
He was back when he was a member of the KGB.
No he wasn't he was only interested in his own promotion.
Source for this claim?
Lmao downvotes but no source :)
Lmao he himself admitted to being nothing but a carrierist, loss of USSR was nothing but loss of territories to him,not about overthrow of the proletariat state or socialism. This the reason USSR was overthrown, because of carrierists and opportunists being allowed to high ranks under the revisionist leadership in the party post 60s.
I know that he became an opportunist during the coup in the 90s, but I am interested in a source backing the claim that during his years in the KGB he was a careerist/opportunist.
You could say that about 99% of the stuff posted on this sub. It's a political ideology sub, not a sub about facts.
No official sources back up the claim that they were sentenced solely for reading Lenin. Despite the state of modern Russia, they would not be sentenced to decades solely for that. It seems Lenin books are completely legal and well read in Russia, they would be arresting millions if that was the case. Official sources say they had homemade explosives, weapons, and plans; petty adventurism. Clickbait title.
Not sure there were actual plans, the FSB had a plant on the inside who recorded their conversations. Some of these guys were ex-donbass fighters so they probably said some crazy shit on camera. I'd assume just saying that they should seize power during a revolution would be enough to get jail time
Were they not arrested for terrorism related charges? Where in their court proceedings does it say anything about marxism leninism? lol
https://www.rizospastis.gr/story.do?id=13124233 (organ of the Communist Party of Greece)
"Indeed, the "committee of experts" assessed that ... Lenin's fundamental and emblematic work, "State and Revolution", constitutes a "terrorist manual""
Well technically that's true, I'm actually impressed that the Russian state is still so well informed to notice that.
They were. They were arrested with homemade explosives.
https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2025/12/16/five-russian-marxists-handed-long-prison-sentences-for-plotting-to-overthrow-the-regime-en-news
I mean god bless them for their revolutionary spirit, but nowhere in the article you linked does it say the charges are from reading lenin lol
Novaya Gazeta is not very reliable source.
They were probably arrested for revolutionary activities not necessarily for reading Lenin.
They were arrested for possessing explosives and planning a terrorist attack, not for "just reading Lenin"...
what were they trying to blow up?
Second Article reads: “It was reported that two RGD-5 grenades, Molotov cocktails, extremist literature, communications equipment, radios, clothing, and equipment for use in the field were confiscated from the detainees. Media reports claimed that the accused had created a Marxist circle in Ufa that was planning a coup d'état.”
“…"preparing for the violent seizure of power," "undergoing training for the purpose of carrying out terrorist activity," "preparing to steal ammunition, explosives, and explosive devices," "illegal possession of explosive devices," "organizing and participating in a terrorist organization," and "public calls for terrorist activity."”
No further information was disclosed from the mentioned article.
Yeah, poor timing. Russia is unstable but not that unstable to plan and execute something like this. These guys are delusional.
If it isn’t on fire, it doesn’t count as a Molotov cocktail.
Source: God
First article says:”According to investigators, they planned attacks on the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation (ICR) and a military unit in Ufa to seize weapons and ammunition. The goal of their organized terror was to establish a Soviet dictatorship—to achieve this, they needed to change the political and economic system.
According to investigators, Matisov, using his knowledge of combat tactics, conducted training exercises in shooting, making Molotov cocktails, and conducting combat operations. Their arsenal included a rifle with a telescopic sight, imitation grenades, blank-firing pistols, and radios. According to security officials, the defendants practiced with airsoft guns.
According to investigators, the organization had been active since 2019; the Marxists were arrested on March 25, 2022.
The Marxists claimed the criminal case was fabricated to "destroy Russian communist ideas." They claimed there was no terrorist organization, and all their talk was "drunken chatter."”
How do you know this? Can you share some evidence so as not to further the disinformation. Greek Communist Party has stated that these Russians were imprisoned for a reading group about, “The State and Revolution” by Lenin
There are news articles, but they're in Russian
https://www.kommersant.r u/doc/8293200
https://ria.r u/20251216/sud-2062498200.html
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It appears to be true but there's way, way more to it.
It wasn't just because he was "studying Lenin's 'State and Revolution'". They left out the fact that they were found with grenades and Molotov cocktails in their possession.
They were charged with the following crimes:
They called in an expert to testify at their trial to justify the charge of "public justification of terrorism / propaganda of terrorism", which indeed included their possession of Marxist texts from Lenin, Marx and Engels. However, the possession of these books alone is not a crime and was not why they were convicted. They included these texts in the trial to claim that in combination with the defendant's own words calling for violent revolution, and possession of actual illegal weapons, they committed a crime under the Russian Federation's criminal code.
FREE MY RUSSIAN BROS FROM PUTIN'D REACTIONARY REGIME REEEEEEEE!!!! FREEDOM!!!
How soon before such counter-revolutionary laws take full root in AmeriKKKa?
It's so pathetic that an ML sub like this has so many Putin meatriders. If a wide spread communist revolution were to happen in Russia tomorrow, this sub would rather support the reactionary russian forces than the russian proletariat.
This shit is why I’m tired of fellow commies supporting Russia. Russia is no better than Ukraine
Quite the meme
They should have attributed it to Putin. For safety.
Tankies gonna tank