Actually there's a slight difference. The original points out it's only the looks difference. This one adds the social skills and charisma too in the pictures.
Personally I find it silly, obviously we like attractive people more. And water is wet. If both people have the same level of charisma and social skills but one is more handsome, both want me, I would most likely choose the handsome one. Because he has more to offer. Women are also visual creatures, we like handsome men. It's not rocket science.
I think that everyone is not seeing forest for the trees regarding the original. In original the guy in the top panel is obviously trying to flirt. The guy in the bottom panel however is not, he is just trying to being friendly but because of his appearance his motives is misinterpreted.
Exactly, that’s why water is wet. Water always touches water, therefore water is wet. Theoretically if you got 1 molecule of water then it wouldn’t be wet, but that’s extremely difficult.
I don't think the point was just that the woman is attracted to one but rejects the other. The guy in the second panel is not just rejected but also seen as harassing, when the only difference is in how she feels about the two (and you can't always know how someone else views you).
(And I'm not necessarily saying that that's a common scenario, but I'm sure it does happen.)
True, but I think the point being made is how the uglier one is perceived as "creepy" for asking her out. Versus the hot guy, who's seen as being sweet.
In my own experience, women will overuse that term and apply to just any guy she doesn't like. Like I've heard women call a man a creep because he asked her out....that's it. Personally, I've been called a creep because I'm autistic. The logic you're saying is essentially "well women like hot men so it's ok".
I mean, it depends a lot on the context of how/when you ask someone out. And maybe because you are autistic, you struggle to read social cues of when asking is appropriate or not. Like it may seem to you that all you did was ask someone out. But were you unwittingly staring at her while working up the courage? Did you literally chase her down? Did you block her path? Did you do it when she was a captive audience (like at work)? Did you mumble and stare at her tits while licking your lips? Those are just some examples where I've seen men whine that, "all I did was ask her out!" that threw up "creep" flags for the woman in question.
And I don't doubt this reaction happens more often to ugly men. But there is a bit of a feedback loop there. Because men who perceive themselves as "ugly" often lack the confidence to approach women in a normal way. It's often not because the men are ugly, but that their ability to interact socially has been affected by their low self esteem and expectation of rejection. I've known plenty of "ugly" or big fat dudes who had no problem with women because they had healthy self esteem and confidence, or even swagger.
At worst my eyes wandered, but they do that with everyone. Maybe that could be seen as "checking her out" but I wasn't. And it wasn't at work, I respected her saying no. She then called me a creep to our coworkers, and from what I've heard it's because I "thought I had a chance".
I've seen women online and irl also speak about autistic men very VERY poorly. Like using "incel" and "autistic" interchangeably, arguing we're all rapists, and that we don't deserve love. I know it's not completely related, but I'm sick of people saying I was the only one in the wrong there because "women aren't bad people".
Sorry, I maybe wasn't clear, but you took me more literally than I intended. I was just providing some examples of how two people can say the exact same words, but timing, location, tone of voice, body language, etc. means it will be perceived in very different ways that has nothing to do with physical appearance. And that those subtle differences can go unnoticed to the person doing the asking. And I sympathize because I understand autism can make that even harder for you, and you don't deserve to be treated poorly because of your neurodivergence.
Gotcha. I apologize then. I get so used to people denying what happened and doing some weird mix of abelism and "women are wonderful"-ism that I kinda get overprotective. That's on me, not you.
And no, I totally get it. I'm fine with assuming I'm a creep for safety concerns, it's the spreading of it that made me more upset. Since what people perceive as being a creep can vary greatly.
I hope I didn't come off too mean. I understand why women make those assumptions, and I'm fine with it. So long as it's internal and they don't try and spread it.
Valid again, it can happen. Women worry about safety as well on top of everything else said so it's another reason to pay attention to how a man is weird or unusual in behaviour combined with the halo effect many men will mistakenly get labeled as creeps. But also keep in mind sometimes women can call someone a creep by instinct, someone may only ask her out but depends on how this exact interaction happens. An average looking man can say "hey, I've seen you around here and you caught my interest, I'd like to ask you out" she says "no" and he replies "it's alright, have a good day". Doesn't impact the girl much, he accepted and everyone moved on. He did this in a public space, plenty of options for the girl to leave and plenty of people around. The same man could've done something like keep staring at a girl from afar then follow her to the parking lot with not many people around. She's trying to get to her car and he puts himself between her and her car. He says "you're beautiful, I want to ask you out, can you give me your number?. She looks around stressed and he asks again "Are you from around here? Where do you live?". She might say "sorry, I'm not interested" and he could keep asking "why? Just give me your number, I really like you". And he could keep going "give me your insta at least". You're not safe to be around when you don't get hints and keep pressuring. In your head it seems innocent enough because you know your intentions but she doesn't. Later she'll say to her friend she got asked out by a creep in a parking lot.
Yeah no it went beyond that. She actively told our coworkers I was a creep. Mind you, I didn't ask her out at work, and at best my eyes wandered (which they do with anyone). She said no, I moved on. Apparently me believing she'd say yes is what makes me a "creep".
I don't think this meme is saying it's a bad thing. It reads to me like it's providing an explanation for the original comic (without the text) that is more than "women think all unattractive dudes are harassers!" Incel narrative.
I know I'm not the type of man you're talking about, but personally, I'd love to date a woman who's not very conventionally attractive with poor social skills. I feel like I couldn't relate to a partner if I was dating someone "out of my league".
yes. because when u have bad social skills, you are more likely to say something seemingly creepy. if you actively felt bad and cared you would apologize and move on like a normal person but instead you'll pity yourself and get mad for a normal reaction that another person had. and now all women bad superficial bitches even though the reality is majority of people are vapid superficial bitches
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Actually there's a slight difference. The original points out it's only the looks difference. This one adds the social skills and charisma too in the pictures. Personally I find it silly, obviously we like attractive people more. And water is wet. If both people have the same level of charisma and social skills but one is more handsome, both want me, I would most likely choose the handsome one. Because he has more to offer. Women are also visual creatures, we like handsome men. It's not rocket science.
That’s the thing, either version of this dude that has good social skills and awareness will know when and how it’s ok to ask her out
I think that everyone is not seeing forest for the trees regarding the original. In original the guy in the top panel is obviously trying to flirt. The guy in the bottom panel however is not, he is just trying to being friendly but because of his appearance his motives is misinterpreted.
N the original is explicitly not that
Wouldn’t even make sense
I believe the original has then both saying “lookin’ good susan”, so it’s them both complimenting her, but if the ugly gay says it it’s harassment.
No, if an ugly gay days it, it's ✨fashion✨
Why would it not make sense?
Because then what’s the point of the handsome guy? He wouldn’t be related to the bottom guy at all
To demonstrate how we are more acceptable of problematic behavior from attractive people.
But in your example only one person is engaging in that
Yes, and other guy gets punished for being behavior.
That’s not the point at all.
Breaking news: people like attractive people
For me it completely depends on who treats me better
water isnt wet 🤓
im downvoting myself
😂😂 true, my bad.
Water isn’t wet but it is also always wet.
water isnt wet, whatever it touches is wet.
Exactly, that’s why water is wet. Water always touches water, therefore water is wet. Theoretically if you got 1 molecule of water then it wouldn’t be wet, but that’s extremely difficult.
man we both are nerds but you win
I don't think the point was just that the woman is attracted to one but rejects the other. The guy in the second panel is not just rejected but also seen as harassing, when the only difference is in how she feels about the two (and you can't always know how someone else views you).
(And I'm not necessarily saying that that's a common scenario, but I'm sure it does happen.)
True, it's a perfect example of the halo effect and pretty privilege (applied to men in this case).
"It's not rocket science" ~ Music teacher
"It's not music theory" ~ physicist
Water isn't wet.
Water makes other things wet.
Yes yes, we all know.
True, but I think the point being made is how the uglier one is perceived as "creepy" for asking her out. Versus the hot guy, who's seen as being sweet.
In my own experience, women will overuse that term and apply to just any guy she doesn't like. Like I've heard women call a man a creep because he asked her out....that's it. Personally, I've been called a creep because I'm autistic. The logic you're saying is essentially "well women like hot men so it's ok".
I mean, it depends a lot on the context of how/when you ask someone out. And maybe because you are autistic, you struggle to read social cues of when asking is appropriate or not. Like it may seem to you that all you did was ask someone out. But were you unwittingly staring at her while working up the courage? Did you literally chase her down? Did you block her path? Did you do it when she was a captive audience (like at work)? Did you mumble and stare at her tits while licking your lips? Those are just some examples where I've seen men whine that, "all I did was ask her out!" that threw up "creep" flags for the woman in question.
And I don't doubt this reaction happens more often to ugly men. But there is a bit of a feedback loop there. Because men who perceive themselves as "ugly" often lack the confidence to approach women in a normal way. It's often not because the men are ugly, but that their ability to interact socially has been affected by their low self esteem and expectation of rejection. I've known plenty of "ugly" or big fat dudes who had no problem with women because they had healthy self esteem and confidence, or even swagger.
At worst my eyes wandered, but they do that with everyone. Maybe that could be seen as "checking her out" but I wasn't. And it wasn't at work, I respected her saying no. She then called me a creep to our coworkers, and from what I've heard it's because I "thought I had a chance".
I've seen women online and irl also speak about autistic men very VERY poorly. Like using "incel" and "autistic" interchangeably, arguing we're all rapists, and that we don't deserve love. I know it's not completely related, but I'm sick of people saying I was the only one in the wrong there because "women aren't bad people".
Sorry, I maybe wasn't clear, but you took me more literally than I intended. I was just providing some examples of how two people can say the exact same words, but timing, location, tone of voice, body language, etc. means it will be perceived in very different ways that has nothing to do with physical appearance. And that those subtle differences can go unnoticed to the person doing the asking. And I sympathize because I understand autism can make that even harder for you, and you don't deserve to be treated poorly because of your neurodivergence.
Gotcha. I apologize then. I get so used to people denying what happened and doing some weird mix of abelism and "women are wonderful"-ism that I kinda get overprotective. That's on me, not you.
And no, I totally get it. I'm fine with assuming I'm a creep for safety concerns, it's the spreading of it that made me more upset. Since what people perceive as being a creep can vary greatly.
I hope I didn't come off too mean. I understand why women make those assumptions, and I'm fine with it. So long as it's internal and they don't try and spread it.
Valid again, it can happen. Women worry about safety as well on top of everything else said so it's another reason to pay attention to how a man is weird or unusual in behaviour combined with the halo effect many men will mistakenly get labeled as creeps. But also keep in mind sometimes women can call someone a creep by instinct, someone may only ask her out but depends on how this exact interaction happens. An average looking man can say "hey, I've seen you around here and you caught my interest, I'd like to ask you out" she says "no" and he replies "it's alright, have a good day". Doesn't impact the girl much, he accepted and everyone moved on. He did this in a public space, plenty of options for the girl to leave and plenty of people around. The same man could've done something like keep staring at a girl from afar then follow her to the parking lot with not many people around. She's trying to get to her car and he puts himself between her and her car. He says "you're beautiful, I want to ask you out, can you give me your number?. She looks around stressed and he asks again "Are you from around here? Where do you live?". She might say "sorry, I'm not interested" and he could keep asking "why? Just give me your number, I really like you". And he could keep going "give me your insta at least". You're not safe to be around when you don't get hints and keep pressuring. In your head it seems innocent enough because you know your intentions but she doesn't. Later she'll say to her friend she got asked out by a creep in a parking lot.
Yeah no it went beyond that. She actively told our coworkers I was a creep. Mind you, I didn't ask her out at work, and at best my eyes wandered (which they do with anyone). She said no, I moved on. Apparently me believing she'd say yes is what makes me a "creep".
So this is why Ben Garrison labels everything
It's like when someone takes a piece of art that could have been somewhat subtle and just captions it
"SOCIETY"
"FEMALES"
i thought this was an antimeme
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I don't think this meme is saying it's a bad thing. It reads to me like it's providing an explanation for the original comic (without the text) that is more than "women think all unattractive dudes are harassers!" Incel narrative.
I hate you all and everything you stand for, but you’re right about this one.
Ask the type of men who make these memes if they'd date a fat woman and watch their argument crumble
lol they barely consider women as human as it is, least of all fat women
I know I'm not the type of man you're talking about, but personally, I'd love to date a woman who's not very conventionally attractive with poor social skills. I feel like I couldn't relate to a partner if I was dating someone "out of my league".
I'm pretty sure this is an anti meme bro, it's supposed to be pointless
Ran it through the Ben Garrison filter
That’s why it’s an anti meme, chud.
yes. because when u have bad social skills, you are more likely to say something seemingly creepy. if you actively felt bad and cared you would apologize and move on like a normal person but instead you'll pity yourself and get mad for a normal reaction that another person had. and now all women bad superficial bitches even though the reality is majority of people are vapid superficial bitches
This is an anti meme, there is no joke it’s just explaining what’s happening. check out r/antimeme
Social skills shouldn't really matter in the long run. We need to evolve out of that.
I mean, on a long enough timeline all subtext just becomes text.
Maybe if the second dude capitalised the first word of the sentence when he spoke, he wouldn't have been reported.