I mean there have already been a number of legal eagles who have come out and said total immunity isnāt a thing for federal law enforcement. Qualified immunity applies in civil cases, but not criminal charges.
JD Vance just likes to huff his own farts and bloviate whenever heās got a captive audience. Heās that obnoxious dipshit from high school who thinks he has more authority and expertise than he actually does.
The state has been blocked from the federal investigation. Nothing is stopping them from conducting an investigation of their own. Which is probably better because the state isnāt going to bury evidence.
If the state wants evidence or witness testimony it thinks the feds have, they can sue and/or issue a subpoena. And if the feds donāt comply they can file contempt charges.
Right? If they do have total immunity then logically, they pose a clear and present danger to American citizens, which means everyone should treat them accordingly.
I know people say that thatās what the administration wants but I very much doubt they want to open that Pandoraās box. Thereās no military large enough to take over America (and that INCLUDES the US military).
Yeah. I mean if people feel like they can't have legal justice than things like Iran happen. It's not rocket science. We all obey the law or none of us do.
Not advocating for violence, just pointing out basic human nature.
Yup exactly. The last thing I want is for things to collapse into violence.
I also want to add that Iām not being glib or dismissive of anyoneās concerns here because this shit is fucking scary. And it will get worse, because thatās what authoritarian pieces of shit do when their attempts to dominate fail and they feel weak. Trump is going to double down. That is not a sign that we should throw up our hands and say, āweāre cooked.ā Absolutely not. This country has one guiding principle: āFuck You, Make Me.ā Iām descended from generations of recalcitrant assholes, Iām not about to besmirch my ancestral legacy by capitulating now. Neither should the rest of us.
As I said in a previous comment, Vance has a habit of huffing his own farts and then just saying shit when thereās a mic and a captive audience in front of him. The state of Minnesota is pursuing its own investigation and no, the feds cannot shut out state investigators. The state will almost certainly subpoena the feds for evidence and then the feds will have to decide if contempt charges are worth it.
Federal law enforcement officials donāt have total immunity. Qualified immunity applies to civil cases; the state is pursuing criminal charges. And theyāll have to answer the question of the Supremacy Clause but a lot of legal eagles out there (with FAR more expertise than me) say itās unlikely that all the requirements for the Supremacy Clause will be satisfied.
And if he does get pardoned by the President, fine. State charges are not pardonable.
And other states are suing and winning. Wall Street refers to Trump as TACO for a reason. He chickens out when heās challenged. Heās been sued many dozens of times (at least) in the last year and heās lost 90% of the time.
You keep saying youāre looking at reality when the reality is Trump is a loser who loses all the time, and will continue to lose, until he dies. Heās going to keep being a fucking dangerous asshole as well, because he doesnāt know how to be anything else, and as his frontal lobe dissolves inside his skull so too will the shreds of morality that are left. But the courts are getting increasingly sick of his shit, Walz has activated the MN National Guard (so Trump canāt), MN AG Keith Ellison has opened a criminal investigation into Jonathan Ross, and multiple cities have said theyāre going to start arresting ICE agents on sight. All of that is the present reality. And thatās not even close to the entire picture.
You are not looking at reality, you are engaging in doomerism, which does nothing except give people who already didnāt want to get involved an excuse not to. You are not going to convince me that itās better to obey in advance.
Be EXTRA safe this weekend. They are trying to get us to fight back so they can call us terrorists. Keep your phones recording and band together when you see something happen.
FYI the ICE field office is located at 675 Brooksedge Blvd, Westerville, OH 43081. Just off of Schrock Rd. near the Kroger, right by 270/Cleveland Ave.
There is absolutely no reason that the most heavily armed country in history should be tolerating Nazis abducting and executing people in our streets. These aren't professional law enforcement. They are J6 rejects and šPride Boisā¢ hired to kill us. Treat them accordingly.
We all know thatās impossible, assuming that they really are removing illegals. Thereās no real statics of how many or where are the illegals in the city.
I noticed some time ago that you all really love to use that word when it comes to referring to undocumented human beings. Is the point to be deliberately dehumanizing so there's no guilt when horrible things are done to them?
Lol. Wouldn't be a debate with MAGA without the prerequisite whataboutism. Fine, ill bite.
I didnt agree then either. But somehow Obama seemed to manage to do it without the naked barbarism you seem to delight in or flooding the streets with masked thugs but that's not what we're talking about. I mean specifically the word 'illegals'. You didn't answer. Is it meant to be dehumanizing or not?
Iām curious, do we support legal immigrants tooā¦the ones who did it the correct legal way or just illegal immigrants who are here illegally taking up space and resources?
Go back to posting pictures of your sleeping wife on sexual subreddits. just because you deleted a post does NOT mean itās gone. all that shows is what ICE supporters actually look like behind the scenes and itās hilarious to see you still have so much confidence.
Dog park? They looking for German Shepards, Newfoundlands and chihuahuas?
Nah, these are the same people who were shitting and pissing in the capital building, theyāre just not house broke
They never left. The main force is fucking up Minneapolis right now.
Where they learned they can kill innocent people in cold blood and have total immunity.
They donāt have total immunity.
Iām excitedly awaiting you being proven correct.
I mean there have already been a number of legal eagles who have come out and said total immunity isnāt a thing for federal law enforcement. Qualified immunity applies in civil cases, but not criminal charges.
JD Vance just likes to huff his own farts and bloviate whenever heās got a captive audience. Heās that obnoxious dipshit from high school who thinks he has more authority and expertise than he actually does.
Even if they are found guilty, theyāll get a pardon.
Not if theyāre found guilty of state charges.
The state has been blocked from investigating. How can they build a solid case?
The state has been blocked from the federal investigation. Nothing is stopping them from conducting an investigation of their own. Which is probably better because the state isnāt going to bury evidence.
If the state wants evidence or witness testimony it thinks the feds have, they can sue and/or issue a subpoena. And if the feds donāt comply they can file contempt charges.
I get what you're saying but if the state can't prosecute someone (for whatever reason), they effectively have total immunity
The state likely has the ability to prosecute as the circumstances probably donāt satisfy both conditions of the Supremacy Clause.
Unfortunately this isn't a hypothetical and we will soon find out
My $ is on he is protected by his overlords
Exhibit a: January 6th.. I don't have to include the year because you already know.. the people who assaulted police.... But didn't get shot to death
Minnesota AG Keith Ellison has said theyāre pursuing state charges, so I guess weāll see.
It's more dangerous for them if they do.
Right? If they do have total immunity then logically, they pose a clear and present danger to American citizens, which means everyone should treat them accordingly.
I know people say that thatās what the administration wants but I very much doubt they want to open that Pandoraās box. Thereās no military large enough to take over America (and that INCLUDES the US military).
Yeah. I mean if people feel like they can't have legal justice than things like Iran happen. It's not rocket science. We all obey the law or none of us do.
Not advocating for violence, just pointing out basic human nature.
Yup exactly. The last thing I want is for things to collapse into violence.
I also want to add that Iām not being glib or dismissive of anyoneās concerns here because this shit is fucking scary. And it will get worse, because thatās what authoritarian pieces of shit do when their attempts to dominate fail and they feel weak. Trump is going to double down. That is not a sign that we should throw up our hands and say, āweāre cooked.ā Absolutely not. This country has one guiding principle: āFuck You, Make Me.ā Iām descended from generations of recalcitrant assholes, Iām not about to besmirch my ancestral legacy by capitulating now. Neither should the rest of us.
You are thinking logically. Trump has said he needs no law. Only his morality and brain. God help us.
Didn't Vance say they have immunity? And we know Trump will pardon them with the OK of the US Supreme Court.
Sounds like total immunity to me.
As I said in a previous comment, Vance has a habit of huffing his own farts and then just saying shit when thereās a mic and a captive audience in front of him. The state of Minnesota is pursuing its own investigation and no, the feds cannot shut out state investigators. The state will almost certainly subpoena the feds for evidence and then the feds will have to decide if contempt charges are worth it.
Federal law enforcement officials donāt have total immunity. Qualified immunity applies to civil cases; the state is pursuing criminal charges. And theyāll have to answer the question of the Supremacy Clause but a lot of legal eagles out there (with FAR more expertise than me) say itās unlikely that all the requirements for the Supremacy Clause will be satisfied.
And if he does get pardoned by the President, fine. State charges are not pardonable.
You are talking the law. I am talking reality. The SC supports Trump and Trump can pardon all of his ICE murderers.
Only on federal charges! Not state ones.
Again I am talking reality. Trump is threatening to punish the states which do not do what he wants. So some are thinking about caving to his demands.
And other states are suing and winning. Wall Street refers to Trump as TACO for a reason. He chickens out when heās challenged. Heās been sued many dozens of times (at least) in the last year and heās lost 90% of the time.
You keep saying youāre looking at reality when the reality is Trump is a loser who loses all the time, and will continue to lose, until he dies. Heās going to keep being a fucking dangerous asshole as well, because he doesnāt know how to be anything else, and as his frontal lobe dissolves inside his skull so too will the shreds of morality that are left. But the courts are getting increasingly sick of his shit, Walz has activated the MN National Guard (so Trump canāt), MN AG Keith Ellison has opened a criminal investigation into Jonathan Ross, and multiple cities have said theyāre going to start arresting ICE agents on sight. All of that is the present reality. And thatās not even close to the entire picture.
You are not looking at reality, you are engaging in doomerism, which does nothing except give people who already didnāt want to get involved an excuse not to. You are not going to convince me that itās better to obey in advance.
Be EXTRA safe this weekend. They are trying to get us to fight back so they can call us terrorists. Keep your phones recording and band together when you see something happen.
FYI the ICE field office is located at 675 Brooksedge Blvd, Westerville, OH 43081. Just off of Schrock Rd. near the Kroger, right by 270/Cleveland Ave.
Maps link: https://maps.google.com/?cid=10705940212698265773&entry=gps
More of us than there are of them
The dog park!!!????
Iām guessing the apartments across the street. Iām headed to the park right now
Is Ohio still an open carry state?
It's also legal to conceal carry.
And we have constitutional carry, too.
Yep
I thought guns were bad now want guns?
You never thought that or much of anything else productive.
Don't need a gun when we look just like you.
There's a significant uptick in liberals owning guns
Jethro might have to start wondering if the person he's pointing a gun at has one to point back
Then, let me guess, guns will be bad for you too?
I get it "there's no bad gun" but..... An AK or AR? why
There is absolutely no reason that the most heavily armed country in history should be tolerating Nazis abducting and executing people in our streets. These aren't professional law enforcement. They are J6 rejects and šPride Boisā¢ hired to kill us. Treat them accordingly.
Does anyone know how long are they going to stay in Columbus?
Until every illegal is removed from the city.
Delusional.
We all know thatās impossible, assuming that they really are removing illegals. Thereās no real statics of how many or where are the illegals in the city.
I noticed some time ago that you all really love to use that word when it comes to referring to undocumented human beings. Is the point to be deliberately dehumanizing so there's no guilt when horrible things are done to them?
Obama also called them illegal immigrants when ICE deported 3 million of them under his watch.
Lol. Wouldn't be a debate with MAGA without the prerequisite whataboutism. Fine, ill bite.
I didnt agree then either. But somehow Obama seemed to manage to do it without the naked barbarism you seem to delight in or flooding the streets with masked thugs but that's not what we're talking about. I mean specifically the word 'illegals'. You didn't answer. Is it meant to be dehumanizing or not?
Godown dog park???? FFS
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Iām curious, do we support legal immigrants tooā¦the ones who did it the correct legal way or just illegal immigrants who are here illegally taking up space and resources?
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Go back to posting pictures of your sleeping wife on sexual subreddits. just because you deleted a post does NOT mean itās gone. all that shows is what ICE supporters actually look like behind the scenes and itās hilarious to see you still have so much confidence.
LOL
did they delete their account lmao?
Another sicko MAGA perv. This country needs an enema.
You seem like you're in a really good place in your life.
Stay out of your car when they do.