French, along with Spanish, Italian and other European Catholic settlers, moved to France's overseas colonies and territories. The largest group of one million settled in Algeria, followed by 200,000 in Morocco and proportionally fewer in other colonies. These settlers often took land that had been forcibly taken from the local population. While they had full political representation in Paris and the French government, the native population did not. Many settlers were fiercely committed to maintaining the overseas empire because they came from impoverished European backgrounds. Nearly half of the Algerian settlers in the 1880s were from Spain, Italy, or Malta, and the remainder were mostly poor French. They had nothing to return to if a local nationalist movement won its war of national liberation.
The natvie peoples are forcefully cleared off land for Europeans.
These people are a non-desireable ethnic minority at home, but in the colony they are a protected settler whose existence justifies the military occupation.
Look at the people who left north Africa after independence and where they went
The ‘what about…’ argument is not a defence. Other empires colonised but that is not a suitable response to the post. Other empires colonising doesn’t mean that it was justified to hurt and brutalise my ancestors. It doesn’t justify it, just like that argument didn’t justify apartheid in South Africa, and doesn’t justify current day Israeli settler violence against native Palestinians.
When making general comments about colonisation, it might have been better to say people rather than Europeans, as colonisation is not an exclusively European issue albeit the dominant one
"for the raping, pillaging and murdering the Algerians."
Is that some kind of a "cosmic justice" argument? If it is, it is bad. The Algerians were conquered after CENTURIES of piracy after "raping, pillaging and murdering the" French, Spanish, Italians, and many others.
I need numbers per capita. And locals in Europe are not being treated like second class citizens and their property is not being violently seized for the benefit of migrants despite what Facebook might have led you to believe.
Don't you think that the colonial past has a lot to do with it? Europeans destabilised the continent and were the cause of untold suffering and displacement.
Russia and china wont allow it to happen. Nor can france accept having the whole world against it. Population is also declining so goodluck with making more enemies.
I didn’t use that term. But if you wish to refer to it as cosmic justice you may do so. Centuries of piracy resulted in colonial conquest which then resulted in the state of France today.
From 1830-1875 approximately 850k Algerians were killed by France’s colonial occupation. Add on another 1.5M (high end) from the Algerian war for independence . That’s just deaths. That doesn’t not include the 100+ years of other serious crimes and atrocities France committed in Algeria. Was France redeeming all Europeans hurt by piracy? Did the leadership have any other motives at the time? Just vindictive? Would France have kept its colonial possessions if not wiped out from WW1 and 2?
It’s estimated the Barbary pirates of North Africa from 1600-1900 captured around 1.25M European slaves (various countries)… no small feat.
North Africans largely having little to no respect for France. Many come in don’t assimilate and abuse public resources. Even bragging about it via social media or in person. It’s not all, but it is easy to understand where the “I’ll-will” comes from. The sins of Colonialism are still being paid today. It’s obvious what is happening now and how it relates to France’s colonial past.
Again, if you want to call it cosmic justice you may. More like common sense reactions in hindsight.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pieds-noirs
French, along with Spanish, Italian and other European Catholic settlers, moved to France's overseas colonies and territories. The largest group of one million settled in Algeria, followed by 200,000 in Morocco and proportionally fewer in other colonies. These settlers often took land that had been forcibly taken from the local population. While they had full political representation in Paris and the French government, the native population did not. Many settlers were fiercely committed to maintaining the overseas empire because they came from impoverished European backgrounds. Nearly half of the Algerian settlers in the 1880s were from Spain, Italy, or Malta, and the remainder were mostly poor French. They had nothing to return to if a local nationalist movement won its war of national liberation.
Settlers are a central part of colonialism.
The natvie peoples are forcefully cleared off land for Europeans.
These people are a non-desireable ethnic minority at home, but in the colony they are a protected settler whose existence justifies the military occupation.
Look at the people who left north Africa after independence and where they went
Europeans were the only ones colonizing ?
Ofc bro ;)ottomans were just empire of peace and love .
The ‘what about…’ argument is not a defence. Other empires colonised but that is not a suitable response to the post. Other empires colonising doesn’t mean that it was justified to hurt and brutalise my ancestors. It doesn’t justify it, just like that argument didn’t justify apartheid in South Africa, and doesn’t justify current day Israeli settler violence against native Palestinians.
When making general comments about colonisation, it might have been better to say people rather than Europeans, as colonisation is not an exclusively European issue albeit the dominant one
Wife’s lineage were pied-noir. Most now can’t stand the tables are reversed with the influx of north and west Africans.
There were a million pieds-noir. There are 6-7m Arabs in France.
Maybe add a few million for the raping, pillaging and murdering the Algerians. What do you expect from the sins of colonialism.
"for the raping, pillaging and murdering the Algerians."
Is that some kind of a "cosmic justice" argument? If it is, it is bad. The Algerians were conquered after CENTURIES of piracy after "raping, pillaging and murdering the" French, Spanish, Italians, and many others.
Do you like the "cosmic justice" argument?
That was the Ottoman empire.
The settlers decapitated north africans and made postcards out of the pictures
https://share.google/images/m5v3D73EfiNVFgH1H
I know the truth hurts. French and spanish colonialism was very bad in north africa.
I have more sources too but I am not in the market to scar people.
Watch at own discretion because they are beheaded.
I need numbers per capita. And locals in Europe are not being treated like second class citizens and their property is not being violently seized for the benefit of migrants despite what Facebook might have led you to believe.
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Don't you think that the colonial past has a lot to do with it? Europeans destabilised the continent and were the cause of untold suffering and displacement.
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Russia and china wont allow it to happen. Nor can france accept having the whole world against it. Population is also declining so goodluck with making more enemies.
Oh my, the bigotry. Matches with the racist superiority feeling they had back then
Ulster Loyalists without the Catholic part obviously.
Are their descendants still is Algeria?
Unlikely. Most went to France after independence.
Very persuasive pic!
I didn’t use that term. But if you wish to refer to it as cosmic justice you may do so. Centuries of piracy resulted in colonial conquest which then resulted in the state of France today.
From 1830-1875 approximately 850k Algerians were killed by France’s colonial occupation. Add on another 1.5M (high end) from the Algerian war for independence . That’s just deaths. That doesn’t not include the 100+ years of other serious crimes and atrocities France committed in Algeria. Was France redeeming all Europeans hurt by piracy? Did the leadership have any other motives at the time? Just vindictive? Would France have kept its colonial possessions if not wiped out from WW1 and 2?
It’s estimated the Barbary pirates of North Africa from 1600-1900 captured around 1.25M European slaves (various countries)… no small feat.
North Africans largely having little to no respect for France. Many come in don’t assimilate and abuse public resources. Even bragging about it via social media or in person. It’s not all, but it is easy to understand where the “I’ll-will” comes from. The sins of Colonialism are still being paid today. It’s obvious what is happening now and how it relates to France’s colonial past.
Again, if you want to call it cosmic justice you may. More like common sense reactions in hindsight.