You hardly see this card in decks these days and certainly no decks at the higher level, way too easily killed and just too many better air cards. If giant skelly gets a buff surely this forgotten dude should have one.
Remember the time when how the entire community was like “just make it 5 elixirs” and the balance team kept refusing that and just simply nerfed Phoenix 6 times in a row instead?
They nerfed its HP (it used to survive lightning)
They nerfed its damage (it used to 1-shot minions)
Im sure they nerfed its time between attacks
They also nerfed the egg (it used to survive log) and im pretty sure it used to revive faster as well
And if the egg respawned it did it at full HP and damage (compared to today where it respawns with lower hp and damage)
One of the strongest cards to exist on release (second only to goblin machine imo)
The egg used to be able to respawn even if it was the only unit on the opponents side of the arena as long as it was closer towards the bridge. I also think it could survive right next to the tower if the opponent zapped it but I am not 100% sure on that one.
So buffing any single one of these things even a little bit is going to cause him to be grossly over powered so they shouldn’t even bother and just leave him in the “balanced” state he is in now?
Or shall we be a bit more reasonable and realise he needs a buff but be extremely cautious and slow with it.
Dude where you even here for phonk meta? Phoenix, monk when they just dropped. I was at 7000 (9k was top) and I leveled those two cards and got to 9 in like 2 days (no bs)
Thats how bad it was. And when f2p players finally got them they got nerfed into oblivion. It's just how SC operates..
That’s not the only two options though make him broken or nerf him into oblivion, they haven’t found a middle ground in which the card is actually relevant in the game. I play at 11,000 trophies and I don’t remember the last time I saw Phoenix in anyone’s deck
I do I play him with night witch because of bats and phoenix have the same weight so with timing and placement it pushes him enough to hit the tower instead of buildings like balloon and skeleton barrel
If you want you can search for hidden stats in clash royale. Like weight , push ability,lightning targets highest hp troops and if all are equal it goes to who was deployed first. e drag on the second hand ignores highest hp rule and goes to who was deployed first
There is so much they could do to the Phoenix, more so than every other card I’d say due to the egg factor.
What if the respawned pheonix moved at twice the speed or hit twice as fast? It would make it worth protecting the egg and your opponents would focus on killing it. I could make a list of around 20 things they could do with Phoenix
a little bit more move speed is not overcomplicating things, and the egg becomes a super priority to defend
you can put a phoenix to defend a pekka and the pekka will outspeed the phoenix into the tower...
it already hits like fast enough, it needs like 2% more attack damage
the issue is the speed
the game has evolved to a state the most dangerous card are mostly always, fast, difficult to react
imo they should make it a more offensive version of a minion
hard nerf the HP but buff the movement speed,so instead of being tanky he relies on his revive to survive,while differentiating more from the mega minion as a more offensive card vs reliable defense
Why you want to make an average card from unique?
I think it should revealing its resurrection at 1000% make it standard version half HP, but increase egg HP to Ice golem lvl so it will make a really interesting tank card against air and great to bait ground units.
Bro if the egg had a ice go me level of hp it would be way to hard to deal with and allow the opponent to probulally take towers by itself that would be a terrible change?
The problem is that a crown tower of the same level couldn't deal with it which would be a major issue. You would be forced to deal with the egg specifically possibly forcing out negative elixir trades for simply placing a card and that's what makes a card broken forcing you opponents to take a bad trade so they can't deal with other things like a hog rider opposite lane I'm not saying that other cards can't have the same level of heath but the phoenix being a flying troop that re spawns needs to have the egg be REALLY squishy because the point of the egg is to place something to tank for it so it has time to re spawn and continue dealing tower damage
Though i will admit the half heath thing isn't a terrible idea but regardless the egg being tanky wouldn't be a great idea
You don't understand. Egg still has same resurrection time after that Phoenix can be easily taunted by any troop and got destroyed by tower.
Its slow, it really easy to taunt.
Tanky egg will be useful only against troops, not tower.
If someone stays behind Phoenix, while tower lock on it, after its first died, tower will lock on another target not the egg. Or if someone was on bridge you can just put troop between egg and bridge, wich allow your unit destroy enemy troop on bridge, get locked-on egg, and after resurrection your troop will lose interest in it, but Phoenix will try to chase your troop.
That's why they need to lean more into what differentiates it from Mega minion, Its respawn mechanic and the death damage. Those are the parts that need buffs so there are actual reasons to use it over Mega minion.
Because it was completely fine until minions got buffed. They not only do its job better now, but the extra range means they counter phoenix since its death bomb gets outranged.
Phoenix is also incredibly weak to snowball which got very popular with its evo.
So its other cards that killed Phoenix, and Supercell is always late to buffing those kind of cards that drift out of the meta
Well, as someone who used to use it all the time in RG in the top 1k and getting 20 wins with it, there is nothing more aggravating than balloon cycle snowballing your phoenix and it not being able to damage anything until it slowly walks all the way back to the balloon. Same with ram rider or giant decks
You basically just lose, also vines coming out was also devastating against sparky decks for phoenix
because the last time it was strong it broke the game like no other card has ever done so ig supercell wants to stay careful and just leave this card as it is
After release it rose to the highest usage rage of any card ever (at the time) with 80%+ and mirror being#3 most used, which is always a bad sign of an op card. It was mostly all the same deck with RG Monk phoneix. Theres numerous videos about how broken it was on YouTube saying it needed an emergency nerf and it truly broke the Meta.
When it was released, Phoenix was at 80% usage rate, monk was at like 50% usage rate, mirror (yes, f*cking mirror) was at 30% usage rate being the 3rd most used card. Guess which card they were mirroring.
Some people were seriously running no win condition phoenix mirror monk cycle
I’ve always said it makes no sense having 2 cards so ridiculously similar with 1 elixir difference because then 1 would always be definitively better than the other.
Phoenix should’ve always been a 5 elixir card that was a slightly better mega minion in defense but had way better counter attack potential.
And I don’t care how many people disagree with this, yes the baby Phoenix is cute but the resurrected version being weaker than the base defeats the whole purpose of it. You should be rewarded for protecting the egg and the opposing player should focus on destroying the egg.
They should slightly buff its stats, have the respawn the same as the base and then 4>5 elixir cost. Mega minion deserves a minor buff too.
I do remember it being buffed in November but people still don’t use it cause it’s too irrelevant, now the furnace and little prince has been buffed I don’t think there’s a more irrelevant card in clash
The balance team only knows how to keep 2.6 hog and, in general, cycle alive and well. Everything else is an almost 10 year old running joke at this point.
Imo they need to nerf his damage and give him splash damage because he serves the exact same purpose as the mega minion right now and giving him splash would mix things up in a cool way
Why not give it a fire aura that does constant dps equal to like a goblin curse's damage around it? that would make it unique and have an actually fire element to the phoenix
It was broken before and was mainly used in the golden knight e-giant tornado deck, but then they nerfed it and even with a slight buff in November last year it’s still a completely irrelevant card
Yeah I’d agree, it would make them spend elixir on killing the egg and also would make it worth protecting the egg. I would like them to make the respawned phoenix the same health as the base Phoenix again too.
Clearly you have forgotten the monk phoenix and void trinity meta 2 years ago bro. You’re asking to bring back the horrible meta that destroyed the game for 6 seasons straight lmao(I took advantage of it though, fun while it lasted 🗿🗿 nostalgic )
Main problem with phoenix is that is fills the same role as mega minion but because of the significantly lower dmg per hit it does worse in tons of scenarios such as mega minion 1shots minions while pheonix can’t while being more expensive
It had one when Empress came out and I think another one later, it's not that awful but every deck it fits in has a better alternative. It needs an evo or hero to be good again, imo, just a stats buff will either make it broken or won't do anything
I feel like he’d be perfectly fun if the egg just hatched faster. Still requiring skill to use but also making it possible to get the full use out of the card?
Part of the reason I would guess is the innate bias against it because of how strong it was on launch. Which yah it was a pretty painful experience. Its also a nightmare to balance without just making it a better mega minion and even mega minion isn't a meta card right now.
Very hard to balance imo. Way too similar to the mega minion, they serve the exact same purpose for a 1 elixir difference
Remember the time when how the entire community was like “just make it 5 elixirs” and the balance team kept refusing that and just simply nerfed Phoenix 6 times in a row instead?
Lmaooo
that's insane i didn't know that
Yep.
They nerfed its HP (it used to survive lightning) They nerfed its damage (it used to 1-shot minions) Im sure they nerfed its time between attacks
They also nerfed the egg (it used to survive log) and im pretty sure it used to revive faster as well And if the egg respawned it did it at full HP and damage (compared to today where it respawns with lower hp and damage)
One of the strongest cards to exist on release (second only to goblin machine imo)
The egg used to be able to respawn even if it was the only unit on the opponents side of the arena as long as it was closer towards the bridge. I also think it could survive right next to the tower if the opponent zapped it but I am not 100% sure on that one.
Furnace
Increase damage, increase hit speed, make the egg spawn faster, increase health, I think there’s things they can do
Yeah, and make him the most broken card in the game, like he was on release. He was nerfed into oblivion for a reason.
So buffing any single one of these things even a little bit is going to cause him to be grossly over powered so they shouldn’t even bother and just leave him in the “balanced” state he is in now?
Or shall we be a bit more reasonable and realise he needs a buff but be extremely cautious and slow with it.
Dude where you even here for phonk meta? Phoenix, monk when they just dropped. I was at 7000 (9k was top) and I leveled those two cards and got to 9 in like 2 days (no bs)
Thats how bad it was. And when f2p players finally got them they got nerfed into oblivion. It's just how SC operates..
Day 1 phoenix + Hero knight would go crazy
That’s not the only two options though make him broken or nerf him into oblivion, they haven’t found a middle ground in which the card is actually relevant in the game. I play at 11,000 trophies and I don’t remember the last time I saw Phoenix in anyone’s deck
I do I play him with night witch because of bats and phoenix have the same weight so with timing and placement it pushes him enough to hit the tower instead of buildings like balloon and skeleton barrel
Wow. You'd expect Phoenix to be way heavier. I'll be trying this soon.
If you want you can search for hidden stats in clash royale. Like weight , push ability,lightning targets highest hp troops and if all are equal it goes to who was deployed first. e drag on the second hand ignores highest hp rule and goes to who was deployed first
Will do, thanks.
i think they should increase the move speed a little bit and it will be fine its horrendously slow, so, no menacing
There is so much they could do to the Phoenix, more so than every other card I’d say due to the egg factor.
What if the respawned pheonix moved at twice the speed or hit twice as fast? It would make it worth protecting the egg and your opponents would focus on killing it. I could make a list of around 20 things they could do with Phoenix
a little bit more move speed is not overcomplicating things, and the egg becomes a super priority to defend you can put a phoenix to defend a pekka and the pekka will outspeed the phoenix into the tower... it already hits like fast enough, it needs like 2% more attack damage the issue is the speed the game has evolved to a state the most dangerous card are mostly always, fast, difficult to react
Thats all what they did a couple patches ago
imo they should make it a more offensive version of a minion
hard nerf the HP but buff the movement speed,so instead of being tanky he relies on his revive to survive,while differentiating more from the mega minion as a more offensive card vs reliable defense
Why you want to make an average card from unique? I think it should revealing its resurrection at 1000% make it standard version half HP, but increase egg HP to Ice golem lvl so it will make a really interesting tank card against air and great to bait ground units.
Bro if the egg had a ice go me level of hp it would be way to hard to deal with and allow the opponent to probulally take towers by itself that would be a terrible change?
I don’t think so, ice golem on bridge never allows your range units fully destroy enemy tower.
Also Knight, Valkyrie, mini peka, battle healer, E-golem, runic giant, Lumberjack, Golden Knight has more HP, with same 4 or lower cost.
Or even Hog rider with extremely fast speed has more HP than ice golem.
Or Miner with access straight to the enemy tower has almost same HP as ice golem.
But they are not toxic to deal with. Even most of them will atack your units, while egg will be immobilized.
I dont think that egg without movement would be toxic.
The problem is that a crown tower of the same level couldn't deal with it which would be a major issue. You would be forced to deal with the egg specifically possibly forcing out negative elixir trades for simply placing a card and that's what makes a card broken forcing you opponents to take a bad trade so they can't deal with other things like a hog rider opposite lane I'm not saying that other cards can't have the same level of heath but the phoenix being a flying troop that re spawns needs to have the egg be REALLY squishy because the point of the egg is to place something to tank for it so it has time to re spawn and continue dealing tower damage Though i will admit the half heath thing isn't a terrible idea but regardless the egg being tanky wouldn't be a great idea
You don't understand. Egg still has same resurrection time after that Phoenix can be easily taunted by any troop and got destroyed by tower. Its slow, it really easy to taunt. Tanky egg will be useful only against troops, not tower.
If someone stays behind Phoenix, while tower lock on it, after its first died, tower will lock on another target not the egg. Or if someone was on bridge you can just put troop between egg and bridge, wich allow your unit destroy enemy troop on bridge, get locked-on egg, and after resurrection your troop will lose interest in it, but Phoenix will try to chase your troop.
That's why they need to lean more into what differentiates it from Mega minion, Its respawn mechanic and the death damage. Those are the parts that need buffs so there are actual reasons to use it over Mega minion.
Because it was completely fine until minions got buffed. They not only do its job better now, but the extra range means they counter phoenix since its death bomb gets outranged.
Phoenix is also incredibly weak to snowball which got very popular with its evo.
So its other cards that killed Phoenix, and Supercell is always late to buffing those kind of cards that drift out of the meta
it need a little move speed buff its too slow for atacking with zero range
Think you explained it perfectly.
why?
Well, as someone who used to use it all the time in RG in the top 1k and getting 20 wins with it, there is nothing more aggravating than balloon cycle snowballing your phoenix and it not being able to damage anything until it slowly walks all the way back to the balloon. Same with ram rider or giant decks
You basically just lose, also vines coming out was also devastating against sparky decks for phoenix
It got buffed a few months ago. Not enough, obviously, but it did get a buff.
It did yes, they can double nerf skarmy within a few months of each other however so they can look at pheonix again!
How has skarmy been nerfed recently? I have no memory of that other than this months hero nerf.
Sorry mate I meant evo skarmy.
because the last time it was strong it broke the game like no other card has ever done so ig supercell wants to stay careful and just leave this card as it is
How broken was it? I missed that part
After release it rose to the highest usage rage of any card ever (at the time) with 80%+ and mirror being#3 most used, which is always a bad sign of an op card. It was mostly all the same deck with RG Monk phoneix. Theres numerous videos about how broken it was on YouTube saying it needed an emergency nerf and it truly broke the Meta.
It was insanely hard to kill and the egg popped insanely quickly and had loads of health. It was ridiculous
When it was released, Phoenix was at 80% usage rate, monk was at like 50% usage rate, mirror (yes, f*cking mirror) was at 30% usage rate being the 3rd most used card. Guess which card they were mirroring.
Some people were seriously running no win condition phoenix mirror monk cycle
Yeah makes sense, it seems like you tread a fine line with pheonix. As long as they don’t go over the top with another buff though it would be nice
I’ve always said it makes no sense having 2 cards so ridiculously similar with 1 elixir difference because then 1 would always be definitively better than the other.
Phoenix should’ve always been a 5 elixir card that was a slightly better mega minion in defense but had way better counter attack potential.
And I don’t care how many people disagree with this, yes the baby Phoenix is cute but the resurrected version being weaker than the base defeats the whole purpose of it. You should be rewarded for protecting the egg and the opposing player should focus on destroying the egg.
They should slightly buff its stats, have the respawn the same as the base and then 4>5 elixir cost. Mega minion deserves a minor buff too.
Spot on
This
The respawn is already the same as the base agan since a buff some months ago
Oh I had no idea cuz no one plays the card lmao
It did tho
I do remember it being buffed in November but people still don’t use it cause it’s too irrelevant, now the furnace and little prince has been buffed I don’t think there’s a more irrelevant card in clash
Rune Giant
Good point…
Barbarian Hut
Okay I’ll take back my point 😂
counters golem ig.
The balance team only knows how to keep 2.6 hog and, in general, cycle alive and well. Everything else is an almost 10 year old running joke at this point.
Buff E-GIANT and phoneix
Imo they need to differentiate it from the mega minion
I'd buff her speed and maybe nerf the damage, so she's not broken
Imo they need to nerf his damage and give him splash damage because he serves the exact same purpose as the mega minion right now and giving him splash would mix things up in a cool way
I’m down with that!
Why not give it a fire aura that does constant dps equal to like a goblin curse's damage around it? that would make it unique and have an actually fire element to the phoenix
I live this card it just sucks so id love it if they made him viable.
Because it doesn’t give an immediate profit
Better question when are the reworking Barb hut
Very true lol
Last 2-3 months it has gotten a buff
Just another card that should’ve never been added to the game. The mechanic is not able to be balanced reasonably
Isn't this card the most broken thing released before Little Prince?
It was broken before and was mainly used in the golden knight e-giant tornado deck, but then they nerfed it and even with a slight buff in November last year it’s still a completely irrelevant card
When the egg is alone with the princess tower it should be able to respawn, that would be a good buff imo
Yeah I’d agree, it would make them spend elixir on killing the egg and also would make it worth protecting the egg. I would like them to make the respawned phoenix the same health as the base Phoenix again too.
Give him a nice evo
Seems like they’ve just ditched evo’s now lol, would be nice
Yeah, imo evos were actually a nice idea. Although u have ur nice and naughty ones. Hero cards just don’t make sense.
I agree.
Clearly you have forgotten the monk phoenix and void trinity meta 2 years ago bro. You’re asking to bring back the horrible meta that destroyed the game for 6 seasons straight lmao(I took advantage of it though, fun while it lasted 🗿🗿 nostalgic )
A slight buff to pheonix wouldn’t destroy the game, pretty sure void received a nerf since then too right?
Void wasn’t even out when monk and phoenix was meta this guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about
I'll prefer mega minion or spirit empress( she has two forms to carry me and not easy to die(
Movement speed and range buff
Main problem with phoenix is that is fills the same role as mega minion but because of the significantly lower dmg per hit it does worse in tons of scenarios such as mega minion 1shots minions while pheonix can’t while being more expensive
Because the game is awful when all you hear is that squawking.
Because the game is awful when all you hear is that squawking.
It had one when Empress came out and I think another one later, it's not that awful but every deck it fits in has a better alternative. It needs an evo or hero to be good again, imo, just a stats buff will either make it broken or won't do anything
Since this card was unlocked in arena 12, to this day i have never faced it in trophy road
I’m at 10.5k now
Since this card was unlocked in arena 12, to this day i have never faced it in trophy road
I’m at 10.5k now
It used to be insanely overpowered when it was released and everyone used it but then it got nerfed 6 times
They could just make him a good bit faster, I play him in a weird drill deck and sometimes he gets on tower but he's too easily kited.
he just got a buff 1 or 2 seasons ago..
He's gotten two buffs in like the last four seasons
I feel like he’d be perfectly fun if the egg just hatched faster. Still requiring skill to use but also making it possible to get the full use out of the card?
Part of the reason I would guess is the innate bias against it because of how strong it was on launch. Which yah it was a pretty painful experience. Its also a nightmare to balance without just making it a better mega minion and even mega minion isn't a meta card right now.
Really its due for a rework with a cost increase.
Give it a hero and you can activate the ability after its rebirth to have it drop another egg
Cuz he was insane then they nerfed him 1000 times and now he's is useless against the most..