I'm to the right of a lot of people in this sub, and I'm happy to condemn any and all violence, calls for violence, or glorification or celebration of violence. The only time anyone should lift a hand against another human is if doing so will stop the other human from imminently committing violence against them or others, with common sense exceptions for things like just wars and reasonable force in law enforcement. The same is true of weapons. No one should be hurt or killed for their words, beliefs, or membership in any group.
I would love to see people of all stripes do the same without any sort of implication that certain victims of political violence deserved it. That's pretty difficult for some, it seems.
This is concerningly close to home, as I live in a county that borders Jackson.
Seeing the interviews makes it frustrating how casually people accuse each other of racism and the like nowadays, because it trivializes actual racism like this bunch.
I'm not a huge fan of Phil Williams, but you should watch the interviews. It's hard to believe that anyone could believe the way these people claim to.
Luckily there is still some journalism out there and for that reporter to get down to the bottom of things. Sadly, for all those that attended and have all that hatred in their hearts, it's never too late to repent and come back to Christ because if you hate you are going to get a harsh judgment. Jesus said to love your neighbors, but also your enemies.
Johnson, who has rarely been photographed, could be seen uttering what appeared to be an expletive when he spotted NewsChannel 5’s cameras. AmRen later posted a photo of him from inside the conference.
The author of the book The White Nationalist Manifesto, Johnson published a column in 2012 celebrating a mass murder committed the year before by Anders Breivik. The neo-Nazi first killed eight people with a van bomb, followed by the massacre of 69 people at a Norwegian youth camp
The ONLY advocates for political violence I run across among all the many people I meet are the average Reddit poster and many "Christians" on this very sub.
The ONLY advocates for political violence I run across among all the many people I meet are the average Reddit poster and many "Christians" on this very sub.
”The ONLY advocates for political violence I run across among all the many people I meet are the average Reddit poster and many "Christians" on this very sub.”
It's good that you've surrounded yourself with people who reject political violence. It's also important to recognize how prevalent it is in the church, including entire movements of people, so we can condemn it and separate ourselves from it.
It's good that you've surrounded yourself with people who reject political violence.
No. That is not the case. This is purely coincidental even though in contact with untold numbers of Christ followers and conservative types.
They do not reject political violence because that is the way I arranged it. They reject political violence because of who they are and their worldviews.
The Progressives I know embrace and cheer political violence because of who they are and their worldviews.
That's what I meant, your faith community is not one of the ones who believes they have a righteous calling to engage in political violence. But other Christian groups do take that view.
That's not what I mean, though. I am talking about many faith communities....yet have not run into any talk or persons that supports political violence.
So....you're saying that the conference held by CHRISTIAN white nationalist are not advocating for "violence". Let's think about that, won't take long...
white nationalism does not equal peace and love by any word of God.
Your attempt to redirect the hate is very anti-Christian and just shows how blind or hateful you may really be. I'm hoping it's just ignorance.
If you were locked in a room w/o internet and/or access to the outside world and only told what your masters wanted you to know, then I would forgive your ignorance. But given you're on reddit of all places, you clearly have access to outside sources and can use that brain of yours that God did give you. I will call you hateful if you choose to ignore the reality of what's happening and live in this delusional world. I don't mean to poke in a bad manner, but in NO WAY can anybody with a good heart and actually follows the Good Lord's path claim the gop/republicans...I mean maga, is actually for "good".
I'm around tons of church folks and Republicans....and none of them advocate harming anyone or killing anyone because of their political opinions.
But a lot of atheists and "Progressives" I have met do. They actually are thrilled at the idea. The thought of those they disagree with being harmed excites them.
No, he supports that violence. Hes been very clear in the past he supports brutal violence against the people he hates and he enjoys trolling progressives.
The mods just let it happen because in the end, they feel the same.
Johnson, who has rarely been photographed, could be seen uttering what appeared to be an expletive when he spotted NewsChannel 5’s cameras. AmRen later posted a photo of him from inside the conference.
The author of the book The White Nationalist Manifesto, Johnson published a column in 2012 celebrating a mass murder committed the year before by Anders Breivik. The neo-Nazi first killed eight people with a van bomb, followed by the massacre of 69 people at a Norwegian youth camp
Some of these guys are actually like legitimate far right extremists and nazis. It's not "Oh George Bush is a nazi" either, like these guys want to kill jews kinda nazi.
Can't say I'm surprised.
I'm to the right of a lot of people in this sub, and I'm happy to condemn any and all violence, calls for violence, or glorification or celebration of violence. The only time anyone should lift a hand against another human is if doing so will stop the other human from imminently committing violence against them or others, with common sense exceptions for things like just wars and reasonable force in law enforcement. The same is true of weapons. No one should be hurt or killed for their words, beliefs, or membership in any group.
I would love to see people of all stripes do the same without any sort of implication that certain victims of political violence deserved it. That's pretty difficult for some, it seems.
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This is concerningly close to home, as I live in a county that borders Jackson.
Seeing the interviews makes it frustrating how casually people accuse each other of racism and the like nowadays, because it trivializes actual racism like this bunch.
I'm not a huge fan of Phil Williams, but you should watch the interviews. It's hard to believe that anyone could believe the way these people claim to.
Luckily there is still some journalism out there and for that reporter to get down to the bottom of things. Sadly, for all those that attended and have all that hatred in their hearts, it's never too late to repent and come back to Christ because if you hate you are going to get a harsh judgment. Jesus said to love your neighbors, but also your enemies.
Title is editorialized.
Is this also "editorialized"?
Look man, the mods chewed me out for editorializing a title, I’m just passing along what’s been said to me.
The ONLY advocates for political violence I run across among all the many people I meet are the average Reddit poster and many "Christians" on this very sub.
Sure, sure
How do you feel about January 6, 2021?
Was that political violence?
If not, why was it not?
I was always opposed to any rioting. Everyone I know IRL was also opposed to any rioting.
This juxtaposes how the Progressives I know felt about the "Summer of Love."
Yes.
Who did you vote for in 2024?
Was it the person who directly advocated for the riots and political violence on January 6?
If you’re curious which candidate that was I can provide sources.
It's good that you've surrounded yourself with people who reject political violence. It's also important to recognize how prevalent it is in the church, including entire movements of people, so we can condemn it and separate ourselves from it.
https://baptistnews.com/article/the-new-apostolic-reformation-drove-the-january-6-riots-so-why-was-it-overlooked-by-the-house-select-committee/
No. That is not the case. This is purely coincidental even though in contact with untold numbers of Christ followers and conservative types.
They do not reject political violence because that is the way I arranged it. They reject political violence because of who they are and their worldviews.
The Progressives I know embrace and cheer political violence because of who they are and their worldviews.
That's what I meant, your faith community is not one of the ones who believes they have a righteous calling to engage in political violence. But other Christian groups do take that view.
That's not what I mean, though. I am talking about many faith communities....yet have not run into any talk or persons that supports political violence.
You never answered my question above and I’m still getting notifications about this thread…
So, if you consider January 6 political violence then who did you vote for that more aligned with that non violent world view?
So....you're saying that the conference held by CHRISTIAN white nationalist are not advocating for "violence". Let's think about that, won't take long...
white nationalism does not equal peace and love by any word of God.
Your attempt to redirect the hate is very anti-Christian and just shows how blind or hateful you may really be. I'm hoping it's just ignorance.
EDIT: some reference links just for kicks
https://www.reuters.com/graphics/USA-TRUMP/RACE-NATIONALISTS/znvnnloylvl/
https://www.facinghistory.org/resource-library/white-nationalism
Just search any search engine with "white nationalism" and "violence". There's a plethora of facts to make the point.
I tell you my experience...and that makes be "hateful"?
Why do you prioritize your own experiences over others on issues that dont effect you?
It makes your statementS suspect
If you were locked in a room w/o internet and/or access to the outside world and only told what your masters wanted you to know, then I would forgive your ignorance. But given you're on reddit of all places, you clearly have access to outside sources and can use that brain of yours that God did give you. I will call you hateful if you choose to ignore the reality of what's happening and live in this delusional world. I don't mean to poke in a bad manner, but in NO WAY can anybody with a good heart and actually follows the Good Lord's path claim the gop/republicans...I mean maga, is actually for "good".
Don't go to church or Republican political rallies very often do you?
I'm around tons of church folks and Republicans....and none of them advocate harming anyone or killing anyone because of their political opinions.
But a lot of atheists and "Progressives" I have met do. They actually are thrilled at the idea. The thought of those they disagree with being harmed excites them.
The catholic church argued gay people should be jailed for being jail until 2023. Is that harmful?
Not to no true Scotsman your argument.... But....
no real progressive would push for murder of random people. A progressive would seek structural reform, and justice for those that cause the harm.
If you can't feel the difference between:
"Kill all (insert group)"
Vs
"Try Trump for war crimes at the hag"
I don't know what to tell you.
Sure, sure.
Can you prove any progressive has ever supported murdering random people?
Source "your feels"
Again I was making a self admitted fallacy argument. Good to know you don't have the ability to engage.
What you said was false....let us be clear. Being mad because I do not "engage" with obvious falsehoods is a nice touch.
If its false, you can prove it so.
Otherwise we get to do the same to you - you saying youve never seen the right call for violence is false.
He seems to be ignoring the sitting president calling for violence..
. While pointing at random internet people..
No, he supports that violence. Hes been very clear in the past he supports brutal violence against the people he hates and he enjoys trolling progressives.
The mods just let it happen because in the end, they feel the same.
right...your "church". You sure you weren't at that conference??
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/white-supremacists-behind-over-80-extremism-related-us-murders-2022-2023-02-23/
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/white-supremacist-violence-online-extremism-charlottesville-terrorgram/
https://www.rawstory.com/maga-pastor/
https://lawandcrime.com/crime/just-follow-donald-trumps-example-letters-reveal-man-who-killed-priest-wanted-to-make-the-church-great-again-police-say/
https://www.theroot.com/more-white-killers-who-maga-refuses-to-blame-for-gun-vi-2000056430
I can keep going...
Is this man justifying political violence?
Some of these guys are actually like legitimate far right extremists and nazis. It's not "Oh George Bush is a nazi" either, like these guys want to kill jews kinda nazi.
No doubt.