Denominations aren't, but individual churches were. There was a list that came out a while ago of hundreds of large US churches that had donated to Israel, including some fairly "progressive" ones.
okay then I don't understand the title. maybe I'm just weird but things like this sort of bother me. to me, the title should be correct, and I don't like clicking on news sources just to read a whole bunch of stuff to find out that the title wasn't correct.
In this case the issue is retirement benefits. Churches have employees. Those employees access retirement benefits. Those benefits involve widespread investment in lots of different things, including bonds issued by various countries. These platforms might hold US bonds or they might hold Israeli bonds or whatever.
We did back in 2004, sadly the ADL with their "Israel = Judaism, and therefore everything anti-Israel is also anti-Semitic" propaganda made the denomination walk it back a few years later. People didn't see through that shtick nearly as often as they do now.
Wespath has 26 Billion under investment. Based on their 2024 report the amount of money in question here is 1.24 Billion dollars in their international government fixed income asset class.
This isn’t any surprise. UMC has been one of the most outwardly progressive denominations for quite some time. They’re obviously free to do whatever they want, but it seems like only a matter of time before they divest themselves of anything Christianity.
Only a progressive would call a hostage rescue operation a genocide, especially when the Israelis were fighting against a genocidal death cult that operated out of hospitals and schools, cheered when Palestinians died and committed atrocities like you can't imagine on October 7th.
The Gazans could have given back the hostages at any time. The deaths of everybody in the war lay on the Gazans for starting the war and not surrendering. Israel left Gaza in 2005, and was immediately rewarded by rockets from Gaza. Just a reminder: it's a war crime to take hostages. Just because progressives condone all manner of war crimes if they are committed against Jews does not mean that the conduct of the Gazans is acceptable.
And the IDF could not operate Gaza and the West Bank in ways that continuously violate the human rights of Palestinians. Yet they refuse and then act surprised when they, a violent oppressor, meet violent resistance.
The IDF wouldn't need to operate in Gaza if the Gazans would stop shooting rockets at them.
You are pretending that the Gazans are helpless victims, when in fact the seek the destruction of Israel and its people.
When progressives accuse Israel of genocide, they are projecting because it is actually their Palestinian allies that seek genocide.
There is no defensive action that Israel can take to protect itself that progressives will not criticize. Progressives even seek to end the supply of interceptors for the Iron Dome. They claim this is to make Israel negotiate, but in reality, progressives just want Jews to die.
They wouldnt be shooting rockets if they were allowed autonomy and their own safety lol.
Israel doesn’t take defensive action against Palestinians, they are the ones with all the power, therefore they only take offensive action against Palestine.
(1) Wtf does “illegal” military action even mean? Legal military action is literally defined by who has the biggest guns and/or who ends up winning the war.
(2) Did you forget what the Israelites had to do to conquer the Promise Land? In some cases, it was quite literally complete genocide, even by the overuse of today’s completely asinine definition.
You guys keep throwing all of these corny buzzword salad wanna-be gotchas around to over sensationalize a topic that’s otherwise easily handled by simple logic.
I’m sure you typed all of that on a phone or computer, using rare earth minerals that were mined by some kids under threat of genocide through illegal military action. Yet, I don’t see any UMC public pronouncements of its divestiture and denouncement of phones and computers.
I don’t know what your points are supposed to mean. You phrased them like they were real smart gotchas, but they seem like common sense would give you the answers.
International means fuck all. Countries literally agree to do all kinds of shit under international law, and then immediately go against them all of the time. No matter what country you live in, your country is guilty of it. This is a dumbass point.
Yeah, I guess it was not a good thing to disobey God when He told them to do it. Sigh, the fact that you’re sucking UMC nuts so hard and are ignorantly of basic Biblical facts is literally proving my point.
So, let me get this straight, you don’t understand, but somehow was able to make a conclusion about what should be common sense. Right… that’s basically just backpedaling with special buzzwords because you know you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Sorry you got so butthurt about your denomination I guess? If you think you guys are so great, keep at it champ. No one gaf.
Cool, the ICC can still convict war criminals, and will do so, their creation is literally what gave us the Nuremberg trials for the Nazis, so it’s appropriate that they are still relevant. Your personal opinion of that is irrelevant.
lol yeah I’m sure lots of people use God to justify violence incorrectly. I’m not sure what point you think you’re proving. Do you remember the crusades???
So, let me get this straight, you don’t understand, but somehow was able to make a conclusion about what should be common sense. Right…
Correct, common sense is common even though you disagree with it, Thank you.
Right. Because it had the backing of… could it be? What I said? The victors of war and those with the biggest guns at that time? Congrats on finally catching on.
“People use God to justify violence incorrectly” is just another way of saying “this is my opinion, and I can’t make a case for it, so this is the best that I got.” Ironically, you literally said this right after you mentioned Nazis and Nuremberg trials. What would you say to someone who would argue no one should’ve killed Nazis because doing so is just “people using God to justify violence incorrectly”?
Correct. Thank you.
Thanks for confirming that you have bad comprehension but still like to pretend you made a good argument.
Unfortunately bad guys don’t care what God thinks. And people have to defend themselves sometimes. I guess you also missed the Sunday School class about Israelites carrying a spear while they rebuilt their walls, as instructed by God. Do you think God wanted them to deal with any attackers by tickle them to death with those spears? You really need to read a Bible my guy
You started this whole thing off talking about “illegal military action and genocide” but continue to type all of these asinine responses on a phone or computer, using rare earth minerals that were mined by some kids under threat of genocide through illegal military action. Tell me what you and UMC are doing about these kinds of issues first, then we can finish talking.
prob why after getting saved, i went to a methodist church, and it wasnt long before i realized the Bible and it's teachings were no where to be found.
went for a few weeks and was the easiest thing as a new believer to spot.
This is antisemitic. Committing genocide is not an inherent part of being Jewish. Tying Jewish identity to a facsist hell statw in the Middle East is hateful.
Israel is not only attacking Arab Muslims, but also Christians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. They destroyed a Catholic Church in Gaza. I stand with my Christian brethren in Palestine and stand against the State of Israel.
Yes. I know you stand with the Palestinian terrorists that set out on Oct 7th to kill as many Jews as they could. To stand against the nation that was attacked makes sense because they were Jews and the targets of the terrorism.
Being against Israel’s war crimes doesn’t mean you are pro hamas’ crimes. You’re trying to make a false equivalency which says a lot about your critical thinking.
Zionism and Judaism are two VERY different and almost directly opposing things.
But just as christians worship the goldencalf of trump now, they have decided its biblical and correct despite being antithetic to the teachings of the bible.
Zionism has many different forms and radically different branches, but the root of Zionism is that there should be a Jewish state in the land that is their ancestral homeland.
Wait, your UMC services don't start with two men fucking on stage?
It is amazing that the UMC voting that individual churches could decide their approach to affirming gay relationships has been reframed this way. The Global Methodist Church split off not because they couldn't keep their opinion on gay relationships but because they couldn't control the opinions of other congregations. And now the UMC is called "the gay church?"
Leviticus was a legal code to help the Jews survive the pagan culture and purity laws that other tribes in the region used. We are no longer in that situation. Therefore, the legal code is no longer valid.
I would, but unfortunately I’m called to be a United Methodist pastor, and I really really like it here, where we value God and the message of Christ over all else.
Apparently, they are not just divesting from Israel
https://mondoweiss.net/2025/08/united-methodist-church-divests-from-israel-bonds/
Based move
Hey, look my retirement fund is actually in hands of people who kind of know Jesus. Thanks UMC!
What about China since they are illegally occupying Tibet?
That would be inconvenient
That’s as absurd as saying the US is occupying Texas. That train’s long gone even if you believe this neocon narrative about the chinese.
did erdogan learn nothing from the pope leo visit
It’s the right thing to do, and I wish it had happened sooner.
That's funny because I don't know of any denomination that's actually financially invested in Israel as a country.
Denominations aren't, but individual churches were. There was a list that came out a while ago of hundreds of large US churches that had donated to Israel, including some fairly "progressive" ones.
Well “donations” to Israel and investments in government bonds or businesses are two very different things.
Wow so someone's tax dollars could be going to Israel AND their church donations.
okay then I don't understand the title. maybe I'm just weird but things like this sort of bother me. to me, the title should be correct, and I don't like clicking on news sources just to read a whole bunch of stuff to find out that the title wasn't correct.
Yet/nevertheless the stereotype is unquestioned American Christian support of Israel.
oh no, so edgy. /s
just saying, i didn't ever recall attending a church that sent money to Israel
In this case the issue is retirement benefits. Churches have employees. Those employees access retirement benefits. Those benefits involve widespread investment in lots of different things, including bonds issued by various countries. These platforms might hold US bonds or they might hold Israeli bonds or whatever.
The first?
Similarly, we voted on this a while ago, and it’s become actionable now, I don’t know when PCUSA went through with the same thing though.
We did back in 2004, sadly the ADL with their "Israel = Judaism, and therefore everything anti-Israel is also anti-Semitic" propaganda made the denomination walk it back a few years later. People didn't see through that shtick nearly as often as they do now.
Yeah that makes sense. The world reacts in cycles.
Good
Based
I'll become a methodist real quick
Are they also ending their use of Israeli tech, or that would be inconvenient?
Common United Methodist W
Proud to be a member!
ETA: No big , fancy statements. Straight action!
Shame.
It is actually based
Wespath has 26 Billion under investment. Based on their 2024 report the amount of money in question here is 1.24 Billion dollars in their international government fixed income asset class.
Episcopal Church should do this next
This isn’t any surprise. UMC has been one of the most outwardly progressive denominations for quite some time. They’re obviously free to do whatever they want, but it seems like only a matter of time before they divest themselves of anything Christianity.
So being against genocides and illegal military action is anti-Christian?
Only a progressive would call a hostage rescue operation a genocide, especially when the Israelis were fighting against a genocidal death cult that operated out of hospitals and schools, cheered when Palestinians died and committed atrocities like you can't imagine on October 7th.
You mean the hostage rescue where they killed 10’s of thousands of children???
Oh how progressive. The horror. lol
The Gazans could have given back the hostages at any time. The deaths of everybody in the war lay on the Gazans for starting the war and not surrendering. Israel left Gaza in 2005, and was immediately rewarded by rockets from Gaza. Just a reminder: it's a war crime to take hostages. Just because progressives condone all manner of war crimes if they are committed against Jews does not mean that the conduct of the Gazans is acceptable.
And the IDF could not operate Gaza and the West Bank in ways that continuously violate the human rights of Palestinians. Yet they refuse and then act surprised when they, a violent oppressor, meet violent resistance.
Cry me a river.
The IDF wouldn't need to operate in Gaza if the Gazans would stop shooting rockets at them.
You are pretending that the Gazans are helpless victims, when in fact the seek the destruction of Israel and its people.
When progressives accuse Israel of genocide, they are projecting because it is actually their Palestinian allies that seek genocide.
There is no defensive action that Israel can take to protect itself that progressives will not criticize. Progressives even seek to end the supply of interceptors for the Iron Dome. They claim this is to make Israel negotiate, but in reality, progressives just want Jews to die.
They wouldnt be shooting rockets if they were allowed autonomy and their own safety lol.
Israel doesn’t take defensive action against Palestinians, they are the ones with all the power, therefore they only take offensive action against Palestine.
Also I’m not a progressive. I’m a leftist.
They were granted autonomy in 2005.
In name only. They are in the two largest open air prisons in the world.
(1) Wtf does “illegal” military action even mean? Legal military action is literally defined by who has the biggest guns and/or who ends up winning the war.
(2) Did you forget what the Israelites had to do to conquer the Promise Land? In some cases, it was quite literally complete genocide, even by the overuse of today’s completely asinine definition.
You guys keep throwing all of these corny buzzword salad wanna-be gotchas around to over sensationalize a topic that’s otherwise easily handled by simple logic.
I’m sure you typed all of that on a phone or computer, using rare earth minerals that were mined by some kids under threat of genocide through illegal military action. Yet, I don’t see any UMC public pronouncements of its divestiture and denouncement of phones and computers.
1) international law lol
2) correct, and it’s not a good thing??
I don’t know what your points are supposed to mean. You phrased them like they were real smart gotchas, but they seem like common sense would give you the answers.
So, let me get this straight, you don’t understand, but somehow was able to make a conclusion about what should be common sense. Right… that’s basically just backpedaling with special buzzwords because you know you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Sorry you got so butthurt about your denomination I guess? If you think you guys are so great, keep at it champ. No one gaf.
Cool, the ICC can still convict war criminals, and will do so, their creation is literally what gave us the Nuremberg trials for the Nazis, so it’s appropriate that they are still relevant. Your personal opinion of that is irrelevant.
lol yeah I’m sure lots of people use God to justify violence incorrectly. I’m not sure what point you think you’re proving. Do you remember the crusades???
Correct, common sense is common even though you disagree with it, Thank you.
Right. Because it had the backing of… could it be? What I said? The victors of war and those with the biggest guns at that time? Congrats on finally catching on.
“People use God to justify violence incorrectly” is just another way of saying “this is my opinion, and I can’t make a case for it, so this is the best that I got.” Ironically, you literally said this right after you mentioned Nazis and Nuremberg trials. What would you say to someone who would argue no one should’ve killed Nazis because doing so is just “people using God to justify violence incorrectly”?
Thanks for confirming that you have bad comprehension but still like to pretend you made a good argument.
And the moral backbone of standing against atrocities, like Gaza. You know the ICC has called for Netanyahu’s arrest right?
No it’s called God abhors violence. It’s a standard across the religion lol.
And I do say that the death penalty should be illegal yes. God never asked us to kill Nazis either. Governments did.
lol you’re a funny guy.
Unfortunately bad guys don’t care what God thinks. And people have to defend themselves sometimes. I guess you also missed the Sunday School class about Israelites carrying a spear while they rebuilt their walls, as instructed by God. Do you think God wanted them to deal with any attackers by tickle them to death with those spears? You really need to read a Bible my guy
You started this whole thing off talking about “illegal military action and genocide” but continue to type all of these asinine responses on a phone or computer, using rare earth minerals that were mined by some kids under threat of genocide through illegal military action. Tell me what you and UMC are doing about these kinds of issues first, then we can finish talking.
Yeah that’s why we make a stance here on earth to do things to show our rejection of them. Like divesting from Israel lol
> know the ICC has called for Netanyahu’s arrest right?
Charges were brought by a sexual predator looking to distract from his own misconduct, that is true.
> their creation is literally what gave us the Nuremberg trials for the Nazis
The Nazis were charged by the International Military Tribunal, not the ICC. You don't know what you are talking about.
> lol yeah I’m sure lots of people use God to justify violence incorrectly.
God literally drowned the world, smote people left and right in the Bible, and murdered all the firstborn in Egypt according to the Bible.
The international military tribunal is what preceded the ICC.
Are you serious?
Well, the United Methodist Church divested from God a long time ago.
lol
LOL
prob why after getting saved, i went to a methodist church, and it wasnt long before i realized the Bible and it's teachings were no where to be found.
went for a few weeks and was the easiest thing as a new believer to spot.
Sadly true and I am glad to not being part of this church anymore!
Smart
nice
Groups trying to distance themselves from the Jews is a twice told tale.
Not Jews - Israel.
Sure, sure.
This is antisemitic. Committing genocide is not an inherent part of being Jewish. Tying Jewish identity to a facsist hell statw in the Middle East is hateful.
Israel not Jewish people. Christ was a Jew.
Israel is not only attacking Arab Muslims, but also Christians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. They destroyed a Catholic Church in Gaza. I stand with my Christian brethren in Palestine and stand against the State of Israel.
Yes. I know you stand with the Palestinian terrorists that set out on Oct 7th to kill as many Jews as they could. To stand against the nation that was attacked makes sense because they were Jews and the targets of the terrorism.
Being against Israel’s war crimes doesn’t mean you are pro hamas’ crimes. You’re trying to make a false equivalency which says a lot about your critical thinking.
Did you just insist that Israel is representing all Jews? That’s pretty antisemitic.
"The only way to prevent another holocaust is to invest in Israeli bonds."
I dunno, man. Maybe focus on expelling folks like Nick Fuentes from influence within the GOP first.
Zionism and Judaism are two VERY different and almost directly opposing things.
But just as christians worship the goldencalf of trump now, they have decided its biblical and correct despite being antithetic to the teachings of the bible.
Judaism is not directly opposed to the Jews living safely in their homeland.
Just a cursory reading of the Old Testament proves that claim to be wildly false.
That is not what zionism is at all...
Zionism has many different forms and radically different branches, but the root of Zionism is that there should be a Jewish state in the land that is their ancestral homeland.
This took place over the summer, the Methodists have been ahead of the curve for quite a few social causes. Again, they are leading the way.
This is the gay church right? I mean I don’t care about Israel any way
What do you mean by "the gay church"?
I'd really like to see you define what you mean by that.
It sounds like you're proud to be unconcerned about Israel. Why don't you care about Israel any way?
Wait, your UMC services don't start with two men fucking on stage?
It is amazing that the UMC voting that individual churches could decide their approach to affirming gay relationships has been reframed this way. The Global Methodist Church split off not because they couldn't keep their opinion on gay relationships but because they couldn't control the opinions of other congregations. And now the UMC is called "the gay church?"
He may have confused UMC with MCC - Metropolitan Community Church. That's the gay Church. Although "church" is being used very loosely in that case.
They are generally progressive.
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Ah yes, I remember what Jesus said now.
“Love thy neighbor, only if they support the State of Israel and if they don’t, they are a gay ass church”
Explain Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13?
Leviticus was a legal code to help the Jews survive the pagan culture and purity laws that other tribes in the region used. We are no longer in that situation. Therefore, the legal code is no longer valid.
So God changed His mind?
God didn’t write Leviticus, however there are places in scripture where God does change God’s mind.
Society celebrates homosexuality now but God is "wishy-washy" 🤔
God did not write Leviticus. Please study your Bible more.
Do you support the mass execution of gay people?
I literally never mentioned Israel or said it's gay because of it's suport of Israel.
I despise Israel haha
You represent Christ poorly.
So do they
So do you, how can you point out the speck in your brothers eye when you have a log in yours?
Cause I’m not gay
What’s a “gay ass” church?
That church
Why isn’t your church a gay ass one?
I’m having sex with a woman and I’m a male pastor in the UMC so, maybe I should leave based on your understanding of my denomination?
Oh I think you should absolutely leave.
I would, but unfortunately I’m called to be a United Methodist pastor, and I really really like it here, where we value God and the message of Christ over all else.
The Bible says that in the last days everyone will go against Israel.
The Israel in scripture is not today’s nation of Israel
So who is Israel then? God doesn't trick people.
The Hebrews. Not the state
The Hebrews are in the state (along with Arab citizens )and vote for the state
My recollection is modern Palestinians are more directly related than modern “Israelis” to ancient Israelites (not Israelis)
All major Jewish population groups in Israel trace their genetic ancestry to the Levant.
So where are they?
Anyone here ever read the Bible? The followers of Christ are the new Israel
The Church is Israel. Not the modern nation-state, which is in name only.
The United Methodist Church isn't "everyone".
Praise God
I thought god commanded us to sell what we have and give to the poor?