A lot of the pervert sub tropes in "animes/mangas" are just weird and uncomfortable. Usually i think there aren't bad tropes just tropes used badly & without effort. But not in these case, take for example the stealing panties trope
e.g Mushoku Tensei (main reason i'm never going to watch this show is the MC is too much of a creep), Daily Lives of High School Boys Tadakuni's sister's. It's weird and stupid. There's a whole hyper fixation of it in Japanese media & not somethings that crosses over a lot in Manhwa/Manhua.
And before before someone says stop being sensitive. At no point in a general boys classroom discussion did "panties" ever get brought up if it did you would be weird/creep all through school. The first time i heard it was some wide spread gimmick was in anime. Unless it was someones fetish you'll hear on the news or in some random place online.
Next is the whole groping thing like in 7DS(7 Deadly sins) where Meliodas gropes Elizabeth a lot that's just S.A. Not sure how anyone is meant to relate to that. Wouldn't consider it fan service, funny.
Peeping tom is manageable except moments where its some old dude looking at kids or people way younger that just makes him a pedo and/or a creep e.g Master Roshi from Dragon balls, Makarov from Fairy tail, or worse yet the class 3-1's English teacher, Yasuda from Hiroyima. Which is worse because dude is a teacher.
Same goes with Mineta from My hero Academia although he gets some character development and becomes less of a pervert
At some point i just wish the characters would go watch some porn or something, becomes they push things to an extreme at times.
The bleeding nose is a fun trope at times, but when done to the extreme, and you have characters bleeding out full buckets of blood is just uncomfortable. That's just too much blood. e.g Sanji from One peice, love him but at times the bleeding nose is too much.
Other examples include any character naruto uses his sexy justu on. I get minor nosebleeds but it's always gushing like broken pipe.
Also the pervert character archetype doesn't make sense. You have the shy character, loud boisterous, maybe the cool introverted character. All of this are relatable or fun to watch but the perv is just not
EDIT: Added examples and more clarification
I do wish that "pervert" characters in anime/manga (who aren't supposed to be evil) didn't commit sex crimes so often.
Leave that behavior to characters who are actually supposed to be portrayed as creeps and/or villains.
It would be neat to see more characters like Denji from Chainsaw Man. Sure, he's very horny and can be crass at times, but he also respects consent.
Denji is also functionally stunted in his mental development and grew up in absolutely horrid conditions, his horniness is more an expression of his loneliness which he can’t properly deal with.
Which honestly makes him stand out even more. His surface level is very much "immature pervert with a screw loose," but he doesn't have half the baggage that other pervert characters tend to have. Sanji from One Piece is a fantastic character and has a much stronger sense of morality than Denji, for instance, but that only feels true if you block out all the horny gag scenes.
*most of the horny scenes. Sanji's behavior during WCI was recontextualized to him being a gentleman with a kind heart and his treatment of Pudding absolutely melted me during that arc
I really love Chainsaw man and Denji in particular. On a surface level it might just seems like "he's an immature horny kid, that thinks of sex all the time".
But on a more deeper level. Denji is a kid who has been used and manipulated by adults all this life. By his father, then by the debt collectors who saddles him with his fathers debt, by Makima especially by Makima who used the fact that he is a horny teenager who is looking for someone to look up to.
And the fact he thinks that having sex is normal and pertains to living a normal life, and again he is a horny, hormonal teen. She is also beautiful and captivating some might say controlling. And uses all that to control and manipulate Denji multiple times.
Also Himeno who wants Aki and seduces/ strikes a deal with Denji to help him with Makima.
All in all Denji's life is a freaking mess i love seeing him keep on going and growing despite all that.
Also love the horniness is more an expression of his loneliness. As Denji at some point didn't want to think anymore and just wanted to surrender to someone he thought was looking out for him
I personally interpreted Denji’s horniness as like, his desire for love from women- the lack of any sort of mother figure in his youth already means his actual developmental process is stunted, his relationship with power is pretty platonic in nature (which Denji didn’t understand because well, he had a romanticized idea of what a normal person goes through).
Denji is controlled by his idea of what a normal person is after his father’s death, and lost himself with everything that happened after meeting Makima since before that meeting, he was living with nothing.
But once he actually loses his relationships and mentally breaks, he realizes how screwed up everything is, which eventually leads to Makima’s death by his chainsaw-he still loved Makima, but understood that Makima didn’t actually like him (or gambled on that idea, same thing).
But Denji still focuses on his romanticized idea of love in part 2-he wants to reveal himself as chainsaw man as “naturally” as possible specifically because he wants to be loved by the masses.
Denji isn't pervert he is Horny
Where I disagree with you is, a person who displays behaviour that’s completely unacceptable is what pervert means. Liking or even being motivated by sex is completely normal behaviour. Denji is not a “pervert”, he’s just horny.
I think the real issue is the pervert trope itself sucks and needs to die
100% agree, i think a shitty manga/anime tropes are already dying out like the cheap violent character slapstick comedy e.g some violent tsunderes.
would be glad if the unnecessary and stupid fan service dies off as well e.g girl fall down but somehow looses all her cloths example fire force
I love denji. I would consider denji a "Horny" teenager and not a pervert which is different and the first time i'm seeing it in a manga/anime
Denji will respect your privacy, won't take advantage of you when you're sleeping (asa). Sure he might do a lot of stupid things or be made to do some stupid things by girls like eating his hand but all is consensual
For another example of a "horny teenager and not a creep" character, there's Souta Kishibe from the Magical Girl Raising Project novels.
Souta often interacts with people he finds hot and fantasizes about, but he keeps those thoughts to himself. He also feels awkward about seeing his colleagues that way. When he actually interacts with them, he's respectful and acts quite normal.
That’s why Brock’s the goat
Denji maybe respect sexual consent but doesn't care about other people dying so. I don't think it is much better. His character is nicely written but he is not good guy.
Denji's childhood is fucked and i think he's still dealing with the trauma of power and Aki dying. Remember when he said he wouldn't care if his teammates died when training with Kishibe or found Aki crying over Himeno death weird.
But that was just because none of those guys were close to him yet. He cried and felt shitty for Aki dying as well as power. He won't care for some random person if it's not worth it, as long as saving said person isn't too detrimental to his overall goal
Yeah but that's just explanation. That doesn't make him good.
Its like when someone who was molested as child would do the same as adult. His past is explanation but it doesn't make him good. You cant use your trauma as excuse.
I didn't read the manga just saw anime and movie. He loves Reze so much that he is okay let here go even thought she killed much and could do again. You could explain that but it is not excuse. He is just not good guy. The explanation make him well written character. It makes us better understand him but it doesn't make him good person.
I'm not trying to say he's good or right. He's wrong clearly, just expanding on why he is the way he is. And not just he's bad just for the sake of it without reason
Yeah. Okay. Additional info is nice.
Or even, in MHA itself, Kaminari, who is friends with Mineta and often takes part in his pranks but isn't nearly as sex-pesty as him.
Like, in the Culture Festival Arc, when they're suggesting what thing Class A should do, he suggests a maid cafe. Pretty tame, all things considered.
What does Mineta suggest? Strippers.
Listen, “pervert” is meant to naturally have a negative connotation. Being horny doesn’t make you a pervert. Sex and sexual desire aren’t perverted. By definition a pervert is someone who doesn’t respect people’s boundaries, willing to break people’s trust and be as slimy as possible in order to gain sexual gratification.
I don’t know if it’s a Japanese language thing or just people being edgy, but there’s an unfortunate and extremely annoying trend of trying to reclaim terms like “pervert” as one of endearment, which completely warps the definition.
All perverts are by default pieces of shit. There’s not really a hierarchy.
I do agree there's a difference between horny and pervert. Denji from chainsaw man is the only character i can think off the top of my head that would be considered Horny.
And in most other mediums like movies/series a pervert would have serious negative connotations but i'm mainly talking about in the context of anime's where they are played for laughs. And have always been played for laughs usually attacked with the female character either beating them up or getting shy etc
So there really isn't any negative connotation there. Unless a show stresses that but most shows don't
I fully agree with your initial sentences, but I disagree around here:
I have encountered plenty of people who use “pervert” to refer to anyone who has “sexual perversions” (i.e. “aberrant” or abnormal sexual tastes and interests). That includes anyone with an unusual kink or fetish, even if they place the highest emphasis on consent and boundaries. This also seems supported by most dictionary definitions I could find.
Yeah I agree, people call Zenitsu a pervert when he isn’t one
I think it works if they actually face pushback from the narrative. Like Saiki K for example has a pervert character but the main character hates him for it and stops him from committing any crimes. I think characters like Mineta are so frustrating because no one really puts in the effort to punish him
That works as long as the story doesn't treat it like a joke like in Hiroyima the red hair teacher Yasuda
You know that it’s bad when a translation error happens and people fully believe that he’d do something horrible since he is horrible. Just. Let that sink in.
(Translation error referring to his interaction with Eri.)
It's not a translation error, though. That's just cope from (mostly) Mineta fans that some people fell for.
Oh. My bad. I thought it was given how often it’s repeatedly mentioned as one.
They literally clockwork orange him
But Deku says nothing despite wanting to be a hero. Just because his victims get fed up with him doesn’t mean any male character makes more than a token effort
Sure. Deku specifically doesn't do anything but you literally said "no one really puts in the effort to punish him"
Ok I’ll say no one not directly affected by his actions tries to stop him (except for kota)
He does perv on Mina and she's one of the main people behind the clockwork orange treatment. You could argue that some of the adults in the room (All Might, Aziwa, Midnight) should have done something but don't
To play devil's advocate, Deku doesn't say anything about, well, his childhood bully "friend" Bakugou, whom he still looks up to because he's talented and has a powerful Quirk, either.
He's a pretty passive character, all things considered, and arguably only wants to be a hero because All Might is his childhood idol.
For real. The whole "violence" thing gets old really fast and we all know the perv will just harass said girl again. Because it's supposed to be "funny"
Saiki K, also known as “what if god actively cared about people?”
I suppose it depends on your definition of pervert vs creep/sexual harasser. I feel to most people they're literally the same thing. Synonyms.
The real world definition of the term "pervert" just mean someone with abnormal taste which isn't bad but in the context of anime/manga is defined/seen differently. And also with the tropes that fall under it
The cultural context of pervert in Japan may differ with (presuming you're also in the US) our perception of it in the US. I don't presume to know what it is but I recall a piece of Japanese media where a Japanese girl was molested on a train and she yells out "pervert!" Or at least that's what the subtitle said. Whatevrr japanese word was substituted may have a more specific meaning.
To them it may very well be the same thing and english translation errs towards pervert cuz it's one word rather than "sexual harasser" cuz that's two.
And even then, here in the US if someone is called a pervert you probably aren't going to be surprised if you find out they've had issues with sexual harassment.
The two probably share a venn diagram that's closer to a single circle than two overlapping ones.
Never actually thought of it that way, i guess some meaning and context can be lost during translations.
I've always seen pervert as exactly that given that most characters who did such things. Molest/harass girls/women were labelled pervert so in my head when talking about perverts in anime/manga. It just meant that
Fucking hell this sub hates examples.
Just a guess but I think that’s Seven Deadly Sins
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Probably Melodias in general towards Elizabeth, since thats what the series gets known for.
My bad edited my post with more examples and clarifications for each point
Fucking hell I hate this sub.
Agree with the sentiment, and I gotta add, the worst example of them all: Ryo Saeba from City Hunter.
And not just because his "Mokkori" antics are 90% of the time straight-up molestation, but 1) he never suffers any real consequences beyond some harmless slapstick; 2) the narrative bends over backwards to insist he's heckshually God's gift to women and their greatest protector, primarily by making 90% of villains some flavor of giga-rapist to make him look better.
The only mangaka I can think of that handles this kind of characters well is Rumiko Takahashi, primarily because she uses them as either unsympathetic comedy protagonists, or has them grow out of it.
May you define what a "pervert" is to you as you didn't even really give a definition of it in your post, which would help show how it is supposedly different from anime examples of perverts.
Now, you can say there is a difference between a harmless pervert (basically just a person who likes to watch a lot of weird porn in their personal lives but isn't hurting anyone) and a harassing pervert who actively molests people like in anime, but I'm pretty sure both people can still be defined as perverts. The word just means a person who is really into sex/sexual topics and/or is interested in "strange" or "deviant" concepts of sex and sexual behavior.
The post is either about one or two very specific shows where harassment from protagonist is played for laughts, or it interprets protagonists falling onto a girl by accident as preversion as well.
There is serious anime, where nothig sexy ever happens, and then there is anime anime, where all the sexiness being conducted. But anime anime also relies on ineffectual protagonist that would never truly harass anyone. So the only way to get out of watching anime with a thought that it's about perverts is to either project a few shows onto all of them, or define preversion so broadly that it loses it's meaning.
Is there anything like a harmless pervert though in terms of anime/manga? Yeah in real life maybe, but can't really think of a pervert in an anime/manga that would be considered harmless. At that point they wouldn't be considered perverts but just horny.
E.g Take for example a female character takes off her cloths unexpectedly maybe because they got wet etc. Some male characters would look away and might get flustered. But at times a lot of characters would try to sneak a peek and this usually elicits a reaction.
I would consider someone in the first category maybe horny or just sexually aware enough to get embarrassed but not a pervert.
Also in my head when i hear pervert i think of people like Master Roshi, Sanji or Jiraiya. So maybe my definition is skewed by anime since that's why i've mostly heard it growing up. And never in a positive light
how is peeping tom manageable lmao even if theyre the same age, isnt it weird as fuck that theyre trying to look at their classmates naked
also the pervert character isnt meant to be relatable right, he's fun for horny readers because he allows fanservice to happen naturally without the author just being like "um boobies" for no reason. Hell the author can put his female cast in cat maid outfits because the pervert character convinced all the boys in the class to vote to do a cat maid cafe for the school festival! Look at how much of a story tool he is
also it doesnt crossover to webtoons/manhwa? Maybe im reading the wrong ones because I definitely think it does
it is weird i agree but not enough for me to fully drop or not pick up the anime/manga in the first place, it's something i can power through or just ignore.
Something like Meliodas from 7 deadly sins always groping Elizabeth or the MC from jobless reincarnation being a total creep to the girls around him when he's way older is makes those shows difficult to watch or even start in the case of jobless reincarnation.
I do get fanservice for horny readers although at times i think they're over the top, unnecessary and makes the show worse (e.g fire force). They do target the demographic the author is going for i.e adolescents
But there's no way a pervert character that gropes, steals panties or is a peeping tom there are way other pervert sub tropes is fun.
Fan service is different from a pervert character. It's not like the perv is the one doing the Fanservice in the first place
One of the weird things is that many anime perverts constantly creep on peripheral fetish stuff, but never ever ever actually talk about or seriously pursue sex.
(Incidentally, this is one way Denji is different - he reflects the way in which some teenage boys actually are horndogs and how it actually makes them behave, ie. actually directly focused on sex but also wanting a relationship and grappling with these two things. Whereas someone like Mineta reflects this very idiosyncratic focus caused by decades of overlapping restrictions and "tee hee" silliness to get around them - part of what makes him annoying is that he doesn't feel at all real.)
Yeah i do think Japanese culture and anime/manga in general can be overall quite prudish when it comes to sex and nudity. But then do some insane stuff like the whole groping.
So it feels like they are unwilling to do the easier stuff but then are willing to go on the more extreme part.
if you have a show where characters won't even hold hands and treat it like kissing but then at the same time having characters who try to up skirt girls. It's like you don't want to talk about this but you are more willing to do that which for me is more extreme
Jumping in to state that those who say that the tropenis just a "cultural thing" don't really have an understanding of how globally wide spread the trope is in media.
The OP has mentioned master roshi from dragonball, who is an example of the "old pervert trope" being used in the 1980s (dragonball 1984-1995) . I will also add Senbai Norimaki form dragon ball author Akira Toriyamas earlier series Dr. Slump (1980-1984), as well as Ryo Saeba from Tsukasa Hojo's City Huntre (1985-1991). Senbai (our titular dr. Slump) is a cartoon character, amd by that I mean he is in a slap stick comedy world which has more in common with bugs bunny than certain anime fans may care to admit. He does a perry thing, and gets his punishment almost 1000 fold via violance befalling him or everything else collapsing on him. Dragonball started out as a comedy, so master roshi likewise had the same dna as Senbai and likewise would get his comupance - the introduction of Lunch and her 2 personalities was the counter balance: roshi would try and get a feel of innocent lunch, but then when her personality swapped she'd riddle him full of bullets because her other (blond) personality was a psychopathic. So still bugs bunny in its dna. However, as dragonball developed it started to move a bit further from its pure slapstick roots, and so roshi was needed as something much more than just a slap stick pervert gag. And whilst roshi, oin the original series did have a few more "horny old man doing criminal things" gags up until the middle of the red ribbon army saga, these became a lot more toned down as the threats to goku and co. became less slapstick. By the "Z" era he was regulated to the side case so that the more "serious" character such as Piccolo or vegeta could fill in. By contrast to thesr two characters and their slapstick origins Ryo Saeba is despicable. Whilst dr slump and dragonball could track their route to thing such as loony toons, City Huntre owed its dna to Hong Kong action films and 80s Hollywood action films. Ryo is a handsome leading man, yet is constantly "horny" and wants to sleep with all the attractive women around him - groping, perving and other such unsavory thing... oh, and unlike roshi and senbai, Ryo is our main character.
Now right now I'm just naming and putting further details on examples, but internationally these kind of jokes were everywhere. If your a consumer of British media this slap-stick "pervert" humor was present throughout multiple comedies: the "Carry On" series of films (1958-1974), and even the UKs beloved tv series "Dad's army" (1968-1977) and other comediesnsuch as "are you being served (1972-1985) and "Allo allo" (1982-1992). All done in a slapstick manner. In the US you had films like "revenge of the nerds" (1984), Porky's (1981), Weird Science (1985) and Animal Hkuse (1978). Plus, Hawkeye and Trapper in MASH (1972-1983) weren't exactly saints. The sexual.basdd humor: groping, reacting to perverse situations, glimpsing/fascination with underware/undergarments, and peeping was universal.
We move into the 1990s and its more of the same. Kintaro (Goldenboy, 1992-1997), onizuka (great teacher onizuka, 1997-2002), the titular irresponsible captain Tylor (1993-1996), Vash the stamped (trigun, 1995-2007) and gene starwind (outlaw star, 1996-1999). Pervy gropers, unhinged, and folk whose actions would send them straight to jail. But around the world we also got shows and movies like: American Pie (1999), Austin Powers (1997), and a few little unknown shows such as as Family guy with Glen Quagmire, and south park. Other shows and movies in the 1990s also continued a lot of these "comedic" sex-themes trends, but they were incorporated into the background of the shows, nkt the main focus but always there.
In the 2000s the US gave us 2 and a half men (the joke is Charlie sheen's has sex with lots of dumb women and then discards them) and how i met your mother (the joke is Barny has sex with a lot of dumb women and then discards them), plus Pamela Anderson stared in a series called stacked for 2 seasons (2005: you see the joke is she works in a book shop staking books, plus Pamala Anderson has massive boobs). And a plethara of american pie sequils, spin offs, copy cats and so nuch more - the scary movie feanchise, spin offs etc. In the UK and shows such as the inbetweeners in the UK, League of gentlemen and other comparable shows and films were produced. So, remember when naruto put jiraya on the page and screen as a pervy old man, scrubs gave us "the todd" who sleeps with everything with a pulse, makes a sexual innuendo and then gets a high five for it.
I'm the early 2010s its still alive and kicking in the west. Community with "Annie's boobs" (both the monkey and Annie's boobs), and star trek into darkness and its totally plot necessary carol marcas in her underware scene - for laughs, dont'cha know. However, its around this point when it starts to die down - jokes based around unwanted sexual activity becomes "a lot less funny" when people actually start speaking out about it, and the truth everyone's been aware of since always get said out loud. The jokes die down, but don't vanish - both in the west as well as in Japan. However, some try and keep them alive - there's a reason why "the boys, season 4 episode 6" went down like a lead balloon, with Hughie being subjected to SA as a joke. In japan a lot of shonen titles have moved away from the jokes (attempts at recreating master roshis early dragon ball pervert humor did not go down well im japan during dragon ball super), but other series have just leaned into them completely- either fully becoming ecchie series, in which case that is a different topic, or they do the content seriously and grind it into the dirt (most isekai).
However I will note that in recent years shonen manga hasnt had a "groped on the train" gag, which used to be very normal - its difficult to make it a punch line when Tokyo metro have to have a dedicated womens only carriage on their trainline to stop sexual harasses assaulting women. Likewise there has been a decrease in jokes about pervert characters taking photos of women - again, its difficult to make those jokes when there are laws in place that state that all smart phone cameras in japan have to have a loud shutter sound when taking photos which is always active, even kf the phones on silent. But the abandonment of the dangerous sexual harassment based jokes is only taking so long in japan as it is in the west. There is push back (here and there). But don't get confused by people saying that "oh its a cultural difference". No its not. We've had comparable materials. You've just been willingly ignoring it because its been so much "the norm" that you inlybrealise how weird it was looking back a d rewashing it.
Yeah, this is a pretty cold take. But I think this is just a matter of many mangaka who grew up reading manga in the 80s and 90s continuing to use outdated "comedy" tropes in their own series, not realizing (or caring) that it just makes particularly international audiences just hate the character who's doing the "pervert" shtick.
Also, Japanese culture standards are different, which, I suppose, is stating the obvious, but... well, just look at how well-known CP enjoyer Nobuhiro Watsuki is treated. Because the laws there was lagging behind at the time of his crime and he was a popular figure who created Rurouni Kenshin, they basically just gave him a fine and a slap on the wrist, and he remained a "legend" who the audience is told to just "forgive".
Bleeding nose is an outdated trope which should be left in the past
I find it pretty gross tbh, not like "weird..." gross, but "ew, body stuff" gross.
I mean…yeah?
this is more of a japan problem than it is an anime problem tbh. different sensibilities on what's acceptable that prevade every aspect of life there all rooted in lack of feminist thought and activism..
I'm not saying its ok, in fact quite the opposite. People really don't call it out enough, I was just broadening the landscape of the issue.
I'm guessing it's just a cultural thing that we don't get. In Japan it's mild comedy, so the trope is more engrained and thus more accepted. While from a Western point of view it's just weird.
I can agree that i obviously don't understand Japanese comedy but it feel a lot like shows are trying to be prude. Where anything pertaining to sex/nudity and you get stuff like noosebleeds as euphemism for sexual arousal.
At the same time characters go around groping, stealing panties etc. So on one hand they are prude at times and on the other they are doing stuff that a lot of people would find creepy.
So is it that someone groping women is ok and seen as funny in Japan. Or a guy stealing panties or trying to up skirt women is the same as someone buying a magazine/looking up online for pictures or sexy nude/semi nude women.
One is creepy the other is chill. And the main difference is "Consent", which a lot of anime/manga are clear that the female character isn't giving most of the time
If they were in a book, people would consider that they can't judge the characters by our standards - the worlds, cultures, expectations and morals are completely different.
That doesn't make any sense though. People judge book characters all the time. Also i think by book you mean a non visual novel right. If so then you should know that a lot of manga started up as LN/WN (light novel & web novels) before being serialised as a manga.
And on the culture & standard stuff yes i'm going to judge based on my own standards. E.g if a culture allows for underage marriage or the extreme physical, sexual abuse & discrimination of women in places like the Taliban controlled Afghanistan. I'm not just going to go that it's their culture so i can't criticise it.
And lastly i'm not criticising Japanese culture as a whole i'm more criticising how the pervert trope in manga/anime is all round bad, not good and should be dropped.
There are plenty western trope used a lot that people consider bad and is universally disliked e.g fridging female characters for no good reason.
If you believe that i'm wrong in my criticism then give some proper counter arguments as to why thats the case but going its their culture is just lame
To me the term pervert means someone who is very invested in their sexual proclivities in a consistent manner. Like when I was in middle school I imagined myself being with every girl who I thought was remotely attractive and the time I spent doing that could have been occupied by actually talking to literally anyone.
In all fairness, most people that age are imagining the same things. I personally wouldn't call that perverted, maybe curious but not perverted. I'm a female and I did the same.
That's not being a pervert to me that's just being horny. Also i'm talking more on animes/mangas my bad for not clarifying in my post.
Anime has always been culturally perverted to be fair. Not sure why you'd expect it not to be.
Yes, there are some animes with more "chill" vibes, but that's more so an exception. Anime is meant to be unrealistic and stupid and funny and all that other stuff; you're not really meant to take it seriously 99% of the time.
Also, the US is very puritanical in its culture, expecting other cultures to also be is kinda dumb and also somewhat colonialistic.
Really, if you hate creeps that much, focus on real life and not silly cartoons.
I don't know much about irl creeps in Japan, but you can't really assume anything about that topic from simply watching anime, as they don't really relate to one another.
Idk, Japanese people just seem more open about their carnality online and that's kinda it. Irl they're probably just like any other nation. Maybe a bit old-fashioned and xenophobic and isolationist and that's kinda it.
I'm not from the US, also i would say that Japan is more puritanical than most western nations. And this is contrasting animes/manga to western cartoons/comics for the same demographic.
This is mainly seen where in most anime's the topic of sex and romance in general is usually not touched on or discussed. And you usually have your dumb oblivious MC etc or the too shy to hold hands couple. You are conflating some anime character harassing a woman/girl as being more sexually open at the same time the same show can't even show characters kissing
Also anime are unrealistic sure, you don't see someone able to shoot out fireballs from their mouth or fly. But not all part of an anime is unrealistic, sometimes characters deal with realistic real world things like discrimination, abuse etc and you can't just chuck up everything to it's fiction therefore it's not real
At the same time though they aren't funny, they are stupid sure but stupid in a bad way like why would you put that. Not sure how some old dude being a total creep to young girls is funny or someone like the MC from Jobless reincarnation stealing panties or Meliodas from 7 deadly sins groping Elizabeth is funny
Also not sure how being a total weirdo, creep and just outright assaulting women means that you're more open with open in terms of "carnality online". There are so many adult western shows that contains alot of sex and nudity.
Well, maybe not more, so to say, but different in their own way I guess. And yes, I know that fiction is way more tolerated than irl when it comes to sexual stuff.
I think some people should not watch anime at all. I think they should stick to sanitized marvel movies.
I'll tell you why. You see, individuals such as yourself while writing about these things, ignore one very important fact.
The fact being that whenever these characters are shown committing these acts, they are never portrayed in a positive light. It's always in a negative light, even shaming them or outright assaulting them for doing that.
If anything, it sends a "message" of how messed up it is. But certain individuals just focus on the wrong things and immediately run towards their pearls to commence the clutching procedure.
You saying that you will never watch Mushoku while criticizing it, makes your opinion lose all credibility. Because you are critiquing something you haven't and won't ever watch. Therefore, you don't have enough knowledge or understanding of it to be able to give an informed opinion on it.
And criticizing Danshi Koukousei is just ridiculous. What's next? Nichijou?
You comparing a gag that is shown in a negative light to SA, is like comparing the movie Inglorious Basterds to being a nat-zhee supporter.
"Pervert" characters aren't supposed to be "relatable", my dear uninformed friend. They are supposed to be a cautionary tale, a mockery of such people in real life.
But I don't blame you in a way, especially because you seem to be someone who most likely watches anime in English dubs, which tend to localize a lot of stuff and remove context and meaning from it, because the imps working on it don't understand it themselves and think "anime = perversion".
Thank you for this post
Super hot take man
Fuxking what lmao
Imagine if Japanese people complained about violence in American cartoons the way you people complain about this
That doesn't make any sense. Japanese people can complain about the violence in American cartoons there's nothing wrong with that heck some people don't like violent shows.
Not to mention there's also violence in anime's so again that argument doesn't make any sense. Also you are deflecting from my actual problem & post. By framing it as an attack on anime in general rather and therefore something bad.
If you disagree and have some criticism then go ahead but framing it as some american attacking Japanese "cartoon" is just wrong