There was also a McCafe cup. Lots of trash on this one which was weird since Clyde’s seemed much less maintained. Bonnie’s cemetery is still active and has burials. I don’t think Clyde’s is except for a few remaining very elderly people who bought the plots decades ago.
Someone told me that there was a court case going on in Dallas this year because a relative of Bonnie’s - a great-niece maybe? - was actively trying to exhume her remains and reinter them next to Clyde.
I hope the court stands their ground. She wrote that idiotic poem about how they would go down together and be buried side by side and when they inevitably finally got what they had coming her family was like the hell they will.
I simply do not understand why people leave gifts and memorials on their graves. They were not good people. They were not star crossed lovers. They were murderers and thieves.
I will be honest. I am a big famous grave hunter and live in LA, and I ran into people looking for both Bonnie and Clyde but haven’t even done that looking for Marilyn Monroe or bigger icons. They are clearly extremely romanticized still, including a bit by me (obviously), which is weird because the movie is not romantic (Clyde is impotent).
I think a lot about HD Murphy and Maree Tullis when people talk about how romantic Bonnie and Clyde are. HD was the youngest Texas Patrolman ever killed in the line of duty (he was 22) when he was murdered on April 1, 1934. He’d been on the job for six months and it was his first day out on patrol when Clyde shot him. Maree, his fiancee, wore her wedding dress to his funeral. And far as I can tell, she never married. (She’s listed as his spouse on Find a Grave, as she should be).
I think about the fact that HD and Maree were just starting out their lives. They were so young. They probably expected to have kids, Christmases, birthdays, coffee in the mornings, all the things that make up a life, and they never got any of it because HD was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Bonnie and Clyde can rot, imho.
As a side note, the widow of the other patrolman Clyde killed, Ed Wheeler, died in 2007.
As a matter of fact, I can think of no circumstances in which murder is romantic, but my imagination is sometimes fallible. Maybe a woman who kills her rapist? No, that 's not romantic.
I think it’d depend on what definition you’re using. If it’s simply extrajudicial homicide, then I would suppose someone administering an overdose of morphine to their terminally ill partner could count. If you’re thinking a more violent, stereotypical definition, maybe avenging a loved one (but then, it has to be immediately following the injury/death and in the midst of an incredibly dramatic thunderstorm, the living partner collapsing to their knees afterward).
I can think of at least one where both partners end up alive, but this is already feeling a bit too grim.
I live not very far from the garage apartment the gang stayed in temporarily in Joplin, Missouri, where they had a shootout with local law enforcement, killing two lawmen. People come from all over the world to see the building and look for bullet holes.
Clyde being impotent was an artist license taken by the 1967 film. Bonnie was married to a different man, so the story could be called, “woman goes wild with her side dick”
They were murderers and thieves, but they were also seen as kind of folk heroes. They gave a lot of money away to poor people and in that area at that time, there were a lot of them. I know this because they hid out on my great-grandparent's farm in Grapevine and left them a lot of cash when they left. I don't know the timeline, but because they traveled a lot this was probably around the time they shot and killed the policeman. I don't know what my great-grandparents did or didn't know and from what I understand they only stayed one night. But it was basically the equivalent to what they would make in a year's time.
I don’t know that what they did for your grandparent/ others who helped harbor them was necessarily out of the goodness of their hearts/ on some Robinhood-esque shit though.
I think that was moreso to buy any witness’s silence/ coax them into not helping the police about their whereabouts. This was a time when everyone was dirt poor and already hated the banks, so a lot of random average joe’s in the US were already inclined to side with them.
Sure, them killing the cops turned public opinion against them, but if they randomly showed up at your house and stayed in your barn and left you hundreds, or even thousands of dollars during the Great Depression, I feel like it would help turn that family’s opinion back towards them.
Both of my grandparents who grew up in the 20s/ Great Depression had bootleggers for neighbors, who did similar things; they were constantly waving around wads of cash and alcohol that they gave to their neighbors “just cause,” and my great grandparents/ the other people in their neighborhood/ community “coincidentally” never ratted on them or told the police anything that could help them put said bootleggers away.
And that was just the bribe money for a “socially acceptable”’(during prohibition’s standards, anyway) crime such as bootlegging, so I can only imagine how much more money bank robbers like Clyde Barrow and Bonney, Dillinger, etc were leaving people for harboring them/ helping them, than the bootleggers who helped my great grandparents. It must have been a life changing amount of money for some of these people.
These individuals were loved by their families. While Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow had no children together, they had siblings, nieces and nephews. Their descendants may be leaving these things for them.
My 18 YO sister died when I was 7 years old. If I ever learned that she had hurt people when she was living, I would still love her as much as I always have done, although I've lived without her on this planet for 63 long, and somewhat sad years. I miss her every day.
I agree. That being said, I still visit the graves of infamous people for the historical aspect. It’s not about honoring them for me. And I tend to do more research on people like this and historical knowledge is never a bad thing.
At the time the zeitgeist included a lot of love for people like Bonnie and Clyde who "stuck it to the man", even if the sticking it was just garden variety murder. If anything the theft would have mitigated it somewhat. A lot of people were getting their houses foreclosed on by banks or had lost their savings due to poor decisions a bank made (or their own playing the stock market, which had plummeted in large part because people were allowed to bet for/against stocks using money they didn't really have) and seeing someone steal money back from those people felt like... I wouldn't say justice but widescale schadenfreude, maybe.
It's directly related to how popular Dillinger or Baby Face Nelson or Ma Kelly got during this same period of time. None of them were anything approaching good people either. I could also draw parallels to Luigi except that Luigi is in fact a great person.
No one who kills in cold blood is a great person so you're exactly the kind of person they were calling out - sickos who worship evil deeds because you think the victims=the system so they had it coming.
Explaining the reasons why people hero worship does not in fact mean you yourself are hero worshipping.
They’re just explaining why, dude.
“People who had everything taken from them by The Man felt kinship and a kind of schadenfreude when The Man got got” where in that summary do you see sympathy or glorifying??
What do you want me to do? Lie to you? Say those people were outraged? That they were upset that the same lawmen who posted their evictions and escorted the bankmen to seize their property were cut down? Because I’ll lie to you about it!
Just so we're clear on this: my own personal opinion is that Bonnie and Clyde were not good people, and it's also my opinion that it's very very hard to read what I actually typed above without realizing this.
It was extremely clear you were explaining the culture back then, so idk.
I do realize that life experience colors our perception - there is no reason to deny ANYONE ANYTHING in this country, so yes, I view that CEO as a serial killer. I’d be fucking dead right now had my surgeon not explained that I’d cost them WAY more as a bed bound vegetable with spinal meningitis, so yeah, I definitely feel that way.
Conversely, those who had their farms and homes and earthly possessions seized, might have viewed both lawmen and bankmen as the same, idk.
ANYONE? ANYTHING? You can’t think of a single thing that someone could demand, that should not be given to them simply because they demand it? Not one single thing?
It occurs to me that car accident fatalities would drop almost all the way to zero if we limited all cars to only 5 mph. People who enact/allow policies of higher speed limits are enacting/allowing people to be killed in car accidents. Are they also serial killers? Sure, they didn’t pull the trigger on someone like your dreamboat Luigi, an actual killer, but neither did that CEO.
Idk, what reason would you possibly have to deny? Everyone gets paid handsomely. These materials are not finite. Make it make sense to me how being a cheapskate justifies letting thousands of people die and yes, they are documented. These are bodies in graves and urns who have paperwork documenting their denials and deaths. They’re not made up; these were PEOPLE.
And yes, he did pull every single trigger. He was the CEO; whose fucking call was it? His mom’s??
We have actual, real people with diabetes who are crowdfunding their insulin AND DYING FROM NOT BEING ABLE TO AFFORD IT, when neighboring countries supply it for literal dollars.
Why is it WE cannot somehow ‘afford’ it but everywhere else can? Are we the shithole? I think so.
I visited these graves with my late father when we did a mini road trip through Texas. Took the trip just over 6 months before his passing. Is the graveyard where Clyde is buried still locked up? At the time, I was able to spurred through the gate. My father was too big 🤣
If there is a hell, they’re certainly there. The chaotic energy/ actions that they put forth into the world are completely counterintuitive to civilized society. Even if Clyde Barrow and his siblings spent the first years of their lives living in a ditch under a cart/ tent, even if the US banks fucked most of society over back then, nothing excuses what they did.
Barrow robbed a fucking national guard armory to steal a BAR, he was always planning on committing industrial-level bank robberies/ murders. One wouldn’t need that kind of firepower for a small job or two.
Think how much better America would be if prohibition hadn’t created a parallel crime economy. Goes for the messed up war on drugs too in modern times. Sad.
True, but prohibition was on a different level of the “parallel crime economy,” it created, as you put it then the war on drugs.
The majority of America wasn’t already addicted to/ enjoying crack, heroin, meth, whatever other drugs when the war on drugs came about, whereas by the time prohibition came about, all of America loved drinking as a way to relax, socialize etc. The USA had already had their taste, and then it was pulled out from under them abruptly.
I mentioned in another comment in this thread that both sets of my great- grandparents had bootleggers for neighbors during prohibition and then the depression, and were happy to accept bribes and free bootleg liquor from said neighbors, despite being completely upstanding family’s/ members of their community in all other aspects, because alcohol just straight up wasn’t seen as that bad of a crime.
And what’s heartbreaking too is that it made law enforcement people have to enforce really stupid laws. It made the cops have to go against common sense and choose to align with things that killed their souls. Not unlike 2016 tbh. Terrible. I hate that part of our system. The weaponization and corruption of morality, the silent civil war that pits us against each other instead of being a strong unified group to keep the powerful accountable.
We live near these cemeteries and visit from time to time, mainly as a tourist stop when out of town friends and relatives come see us. It's always funny to see their response to what is written on Bonnie's marker by her mother. Pretty delusional to say the least.
Looks like there’s a bottle of Chimay Red next to Bonnies headstone
There was also a McCafe cup. Lots of trash on this one which was weird since Clyde’s seemed much less maintained. Bonnie’s cemetery is still active and has burials. I don’t think Clyde’s is except for a few remaining very elderly people who bought the plots decades ago.
Someone told me that there was a court case going on in Dallas this year because a relative of Bonnie’s - a great-niece maybe? - was actively trying to exhume her remains and reinter them next to Clyde.
Looks like her niece Rhea Linder is trying to move her but Bonnie’s cemetery is blocking it in court.
I hope the court stands their ground. She wrote that idiotic poem about how they would go down together and be buried side by side and when they inevitably finally got what they had coming her family was like the hell they will.
I simply do not understand why people leave gifts and memorials on their graves. They were not good people. They were not star crossed lovers. They were murderers and thieves.
Happy cake day!
I will be honest. I am a big famous grave hunter and live in LA, and I ran into people looking for both Bonnie and Clyde but haven’t even done that looking for Marilyn Monroe or bigger icons. They are clearly extremely romanticized still, including a bit by me (obviously), which is weird because the movie is not romantic (Clyde is impotent).
I think a lot about HD Murphy and Maree Tullis when people talk about how romantic Bonnie and Clyde are. HD was the youngest Texas Patrolman ever killed in the line of duty (he was 22) when he was murdered on April 1, 1934. He’d been on the job for six months and it was his first day out on patrol when Clyde shot him. Maree, his fiancee, wore her wedding dress to his funeral. And far as I can tell, she never married. (She’s listed as his spouse on Find a Grave, as she should be).
I think about the fact that HD and Maree were just starting out their lives. They were so young. They probably expected to have kids, Christmases, birthdays, coffee in the mornings, all the things that make up a life, and they never got any of it because HD was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Bonnie and Clyde can rot, imho.
As a side note, the widow of the other patrolman Clyde killed, Ed Wheeler, died in 2007.
If that’s not true love I don’t know what is
Murder is rarely romantic.
As a matter of fact, I can think of no circumstances in which murder is romantic, but my imagination is sometimes fallible. Maybe a woman who kills her rapist? No, that 's not romantic.
Never mind.
I think it’d depend on what definition you’re using. If it’s simply extrajudicial homicide, then I would suppose someone administering an overdose of morphine to their terminally ill partner could count. If you’re thinking a more violent, stereotypical definition, maybe avenging a loved one (but then, it has to be immediately following the injury/death and in the midst of an incredibly dramatic thunderstorm, the living partner collapsing to their knees afterward).
I can think of at least one where both partners end up alive, but this is already feeling a bit too grim.
Yeah, let's not go there after all.
I live not very far from the garage apartment the gang stayed in temporarily in Joplin, Missouri, where they had a shootout with local law enforcement, killing two lawmen. People come from all over the world to see the building and look for bullet holes.
The apartment is available as an Airbnb.
Clyde being impotent was an artist license taken by the 1967 film. Bonnie was married to a different man, so the story could be called, “woman goes wild with her side dick”
They were murderers and thieves, but they were also seen as kind of folk heroes. They gave a lot of money away to poor people and in that area at that time, there were a lot of them. I know this because they hid out on my great-grandparent's farm in Grapevine and left them a lot of cash when they left. I don't know the timeline, but because they traveled a lot this was probably around the time they shot and killed the policeman. I don't know what my great-grandparents did or didn't know and from what I understand they only stayed one night. But it was basically the equivalent to what they would make in a year's time.
I don’t know that what they did for your grandparent/ others who helped harbor them was necessarily out of the goodness of their hearts/ on some Robinhood-esque shit though.
I think that was moreso to buy any witness’s silence/ coax them into not helping the police about their whereabouts. This was a time when everyone was dirt poor and already hated the banks, so a lot of random average joe’s in the US were already inclined to side with them.
Sure, them killing the cops turned public opinion against them, but if they randomly showed up at your house and stayed in your barn and left you hundreds, or even thousands of dollars during the Great Depression, I feel like it would help turn that family’s opinion back towards them.
Both of my grandparents who grew up in the 20s/ Great Depression had bootleggers for neighbors, who did similar things; they were constantly waving around wads of cash and alcohol that they gave to their neighbors “just cause,” and my great grandparents/ the other people in their neighborhood/ community “coincidentally” never ratted on them or told the police anything that could help them put said bootleggers away.
And that was just the bribe money for a “socially acceptable”’(during prohibition’s standards, anyway) crime such as bootlegging, so I can only imagine how much more money bank robbers like Clyde Barrow and Bonney, Dillinger, etc were leaving people for harboring them/ helping them, than the bootleggers who helped my great grandparents. It must have been a life changing amount of money for some of these people.
It's like how people send love letters to murderers like Ted Bundy, lots of sick individuals out there
These individuals were loved by their families. While Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow had no children together, they had siblings, nieces and nephews. Their descendants may be leaving these things for them.
My 18 YO sister died when I was 7 years old. If I ever learned that she had hurt people when she was living, I would still love her as much as I always have done, although I've lived without her on this planet for 63 long, and somewhat sad years. I miss her every day.
I agree. That being said, I still visit the graves of infamous people for the historical aspect. It’s not about honoring them for me. And I tend to do more research on people like this and historical knowledge is never a bad thing.
At the time the zeitgeist included a lot of love for people like Bonnie and Clyde who "stuck it to the man", even if the sticking it was just garden variety murder. If anything the theft would have mitigated it somewhat. A lot of people were getting their houses foreclosed on by banks or had lost their savings due to poor decisions a bank made (or their own playing the stock market, which had plummeted in large part because people were allowed to bet for/against stocks using money they didn't really have) and seeing someone steal money back from those people felt like... I wouldn't say justice but widescale schadenfreude, maybe.
It's directly related to how popular Dillinger or Baby Face Nelson or Ma Kelly got during this same period of time. None of them were anything approaching good people either. I could also draw parallels to Luigi except that Luigi is in fact a great person.
No one who kills in cold blood is a great person so you're exactly the kind of person they were calling out - sickos who worship evil deeds because you think the victims=the system so they had it coming.
Explaining the reasons why people hero worship does not in fact mean you yourself are hero worshipping.
They’re just explaining why, dude.
“People who had everything taken from them by The Man felt kinship and a kind of schadenfreude when The Man got got” where in that summary do you see sympathy or glorifying??
What do you want me to do? Lie to you? Say those people were outraged? That they were upset that the same lawmen who posted their evictions and escorted the bankmen to seize their property were cut down? Because I’ll lie to you about it!
He's referring to his own opinion that Luigi is a great person unlike the others. He's saying that's shitty and they are all the same.
Im pretty sure all of their opinion is what’s stuck in that other person’s craw, not just about Luigi.
Just so we're clear on this: my own personal opinion is that Bonnie and Clyde were not good people, and it's also my opinion that it's very very hard to read what I actually typed above without realizing this.
It was extremely clear you were explaining the culture back then, so idk.
I do realize that life experience colors our perception - there is no reason to deny ANYONE ANYTHING in this country, so yes, I view that CEO as a serial killer. I’d be fucking dead right now had my surgeon not explained that I’d cost them WAY more as a bed bound vegetable with spinal meningitis, so yeah, I definitely feel that way.
Conversely, those who had their farms and homes and earthly possessions seized, might have viewed both lawmen and bankmen as the same, idk.
ANYONE? ANYTHING? You can’t think of a single thing that someone could demand, that should not be given to them simply because they demand it? Not one single thing?
It occurs to me that car accident fatalities would drop almost all the way to zero if we limited all cars to only 5 mph. People who enact/allow policies of higher speed limits are enacting/allowing people to be killed in car accidents. Are they also serial killers? Sure, they didn’t pull the trigger on someone like your dreamboat Luigi, an actual killer, but neither did that CEO.
In terms of healthcare and insurance????!
NO.
NOT A SINGLE THING.
Idk, what reason would you possibly have to deny? Everyone gets paid handsomely. These materials are not finite. Make it make sense to me how being a cheapskate justifies letting thousands of people die and yes, they are documented. These are bodies in graves and urns who have paperwork documenting their denials and deaths. They’re not made up; these were PEOPLE.
And yes, he did pull every single trigger. He was the CEO; whose fucking call was it? His mom’s??
We have actual, real people with diabetes who are crowdfunding their insulin AND DYING FROM NOT BEING ABLE TO AFFORD IT, when neighboring countries supply it for literal dollars.
Why is it WE cannot somehow ‘afford’ it but everywhere else can? Are we the shithole? I think so.
When my grandma was a little girl. She lived across from Bonnie. She remembered them giving her candy. Said they were nice to her 🤷🏼♀️
Wanted to add- they were awful, awful people. But at least they made a good impression on grandma lol
There’s a great book about them.. “Go Down Together” by Jeff Guinn. He used to be a newspaper reporter.
Love Jeff Guinn! Need to read that.
Her epitaph is very generous
Murderous psychopaths.
I visited these graves with my late father when we did a mini road trip through Texas. Took the trip just over 6 months before his passing. Is the graveyard where Clyde is buried still locked up? At the time, I was able to spurred through the gate. My father was too big 🤣
There’s an open footpath but you cannot drive in. I think a local church has pitched in to maintain it.
Hopefully they are in hell
If there is a hell, they’re certainly there. The chaotic energy/ actions that they put forth into the world are completely counterintuitive to civilized society. Even if Clyde Barrow and his siblings spent the first years of their lives living in a ditch under a cart/ tent, even if the US banks fucked most of society over back then, nothing excuses what they did.
Barrow robbed a fucking national guard armory to steal a BAR, he was always planning on committing industrial-level bank robberies/ murders. One wouldn’t need that kind of firepower for a small job or two.
Oh he was grieving his brother. I never knew that.
Him and his wife Blanche were both part of the gang. He died after being wounded in two separate police shootouts
Think how much better America would be if prohibition hadn’t created a parallel crime economy. Goes for the messed up war on drugs too in modern times. Sad.
True, but prohibition was on a different level of the “parallel crime economy,” it created, as you put it then the war on drugs.
The majority of America wasn’t already addicted to/ enjoying crack, heroin, meth, whatever other drugs when the war on drugs came about, whereas by the time prohibition came about, all of America loved drinking as a way to relax, socialize etc. The USA had already had their taste, and then it was pulled out from under them abruptly.
I mentioned in another comment in this thread that both sets of my great- grandparents had bootleggers for neighbors during prohibition and then the depression, and were happy to accept bribes and free bootleg liquor from said neighbors, despite being completely upstanding family’s/ members of their community in all other aspects, because alcohol just straight up wasn’t seen as that bad of a crime.
And what’s heartbreaking too is that it made law enforcement people have to enforce really stupid laws. It made the cops have to go against common sense and choose to align with things that killed their souls. Not unlike 2016 tbh. Terrible. I hate that part of our system. The weaponization and corruption of morality, the silent civil war that pits us against each other instead of being a strong unified group to keep the powerful accountable.
We live near these cemeteries and visit from time to time, mainly as a tourist stop when out of town friends and relatives come see us. It's always funny to see their response to what is written on Bonnie's marker by her mother. Pretty delusional to say the least.
I used to work just a few blocks from Clyde's grave. Passed it every morning almost for 8 years.
Seems like these two get posted a lot.
Luigi is a POS
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Where... exactly are they romanticizing them? Do you think every single post on this subreddit is romanticizing the person...?
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lmao what
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i’m not the one comparing bonnie and clyde to saddam and adolf