A lot of it has to do with years of service and using the previous salary as a baseline. Noot got overpaid a bit last season which impacts this years number.
Im thinking that Noot didn’t have that much of an injury laden season and he still put up less than average numbers. He deserves a less than average salary. This season is put up or shut up.
That's just not how arbitration works. An extra year of mlb service goes a long way as does a higher previous salary.
Also nootbaar on the free agent market is worth more than this. Average player salary is brought down by league minimum rookie contracts the real value is quite a bit higher for Joe McAverage free agent.
Im guessing it’s related to his agent and the good media/publicity that he brings to the organization (as a marginal modifier to his performance rating as well ofc)
Any acquisitions should be minor leaguers or very young mlb players. Trades for guys in the prime of their career now risks having them over the hill by the championship window. Plus a low payroll now means a free agency warchest later.
This is how a rebuild works. You don't rebuild over the course of one season. You subtract early on, trade for POTENTIAL in prospects, then in 2-3 seasons, you hope to be able to compete again when those prospects + drafts pay dividends. On top of that, you rebuild your farm system so that you don't HAVE to go out and buy a bunch of expensive free agents.
The way that teams like the Cardinals compete is not the way the Yankees and the Dodgers compete. They can just throw money at everything. We have to get good talent BEFORE people know they're good and then pay them less than what they're worth for a few years and hope to strike gold.
Albert Pujols is a generational player. In his first 3 seasons, he already was putting together an MVP career. We paid him goddamn peanuts. He averaged .334 average, 38 home runs, and 127 RBIs in his first 3 seasons. We paid him 1.7 million TOTAL. If we'd paid him what he was WORTH at that time? We would have had to let Jim Edmonds, Scott Rolen, and other stars walk. Even after he had arbitration, he was still making far less than what he was worth.
If you want the Cards to be good, you have to build from the ground up, not buy your way into contention
I will be convinced when I see additions that we can build around. So far we have an 18 year old and a A ball lefty that look like they may be good in 3-5 years and a couple of relievers coming off ACL tears. We have only subtracted from offense.
In the meantime, the MLB team is still a product that is being sold to fans. Spending money on the current roster would be well served for preserving the brand, even if the larger goal is delaying contention until 2030.
Did you not read what I wrote? You can't do a rebuild on KNOWN talent because KNOWN talent is expensive. You have to rebuild on home grown talent PLUS taking bets/risks on UNKNOWN talent.
we’re not used to rebuilds in stl, but your choices are to buy in or not. I believe in chaim’s vision. we’re subtracting in the short term to add for the long term. multiple of our recent acquisitions are already ranked as some of our top prospects, and our farm system is one of the highest ranked systems in the league now
Then you have no idea what condition this organization was in. You don't get premium prospects that are ml-ready to build around unless you're trading away premium players. For the last five season, for the most part, the cardinals have been an average team. Our roster last season was filled with average to above-average players. You have to shed yourself of overpriced contracts for average players so that you can start to bring up young guys and then make acquisitions to supplement the roster. We are in Step 1 of a rebuild and your pissed that it's not at the final step yet
For real. I know Flaherty said it didn't anger him and he was just interested in the process, but you have to imagine it doesn't build up any good will in future negotiations. I know Jack fell off and it didn't end up mattering, but it always feels like a bad idea unless you're REAL far away on a figure. The team is going to go there and nitpick everything about why a player isn't as good as they think, often to save less than 500k
How the hell does Noot get almost as much as Donnie? WTF??
More service time and their career numbers aren’t too different.
A lot of it has to do with years of service and using the previous salary as a baseline. Noot got overpaid a bit last season which impacts this years number.
Im thinking that Noot didn’t have that much of an injury laden season and he still put up less than average numbers. He deserves a less than average salary. This season is put up or shut up.
That's just not how arbitration works. An extra year of mlb service goes a long way as does a higher previous salary.
Also nootbaar on the free agent market is worth more than this. Average player salary is brought down by league minimum rookie contracts the real value is quite a bit higher for Joe McAverage free agent.
Thanks for your insight. 👍🏻
Im guessing it’s related to his agent and the good media/publicity that he brings to the organization (as a marginal modifier to his performance rating as well ofc)
That brings us up to a $75 million payroll. Who wants season tickets?!?!
Hey. JJ Wetherholt ROY season. Maybe. Idk. 😂
Manifest it and burn all the sage
Don’t forget our 2 pitchers coming off ACL tears!
That’s like FA signings!!
will be even more fun if true but he comes up in June so gets a full service year but only played a partial eeason.
I mean, they are very clearly in a rebuild. What do you expect?
Acquisitions to rebuild around.
Any acquisitions should be minor leaguers or very young mlb players. Trades for guys in the prime of their career now risks having them over the hill by the championship window. Plus a low payroll now means a free agency warchest later.
I get that in theory, but so far our best acquisitions are an 18 year old and an A ball lefty.
we are 2 months into the rebuild
And so far, we have primarily subtracted.
This is how a rebuild works. You don't rebuild over the course of one season. You subtract early on, trade for POTENTIAL in prospects, then in 2-3 seasons, you hope to be able to compete again when those prospects + drafts pay dividends. On top of that, you rebuild your farm system so that you don't HAVE to go out and buy a bunch of expensive free agents.
The way that teams like the Cardinals compete is not the way the Yankees and the Dodgers compete. They can just throw money at everything. We have to get good talent BEFORE people know they're good and then pay them less than what they're worth for a few years and hope to strike gold.
Albert Pujols is a generational player. In his first 3 seasons, he already was putting together an MVP career. We paid him goddamn peanuts. He averaged .334 average, 38 home runs, and 127 RBIs in his first 3 seasons. We paid him 1.7 million TOTAL. If we'd paid him what he was WORTH at that time? We would have had to let Jim Edmonds, Scott Rolen, and other stars walk. Even after he had arbitration, he was still making far less than what he was worth.
If you want the Cards to be good, you have to build from the ground up, not buy your way into contention
I will be convinced when I see additions that we can build around. So far we have an 18 year old and a A ball lefty that look like they may be good in 3-5 years and a couple of relievers coming off ACL tears. We have only subtracted from offense.
In the meantime, the MLB team is still a product that is being sold to fans. Spending money on the current roster would be well served for preserving the brand, even if the larger goal is delaying contention until 2030.
That’s not how any of this works my man.
Sucking now increases our chances at top picks as well, which is the easiest way to get a stud.
Adding marginal players that won’t even be around in 3 years is ridiculously dumb.
Did you not read what I wrote? You can't do a rebuild on KNOWN talent because KNOWN talent is expensive. You have to rebuild on home grown talent PLUS taking bets/risks on UNKNOWN talent.
we’re not used to rebuilds in stl, but your choices are to buy in or not. I believe in chaim’s vision. we’re subtracting in the short term to add for the long term. multiple of our recent acquisitions are already ranked as some of our top prospects, and our farm system is one of the highest ranked systems in the league now
Our farm system was ranked high before the “rebuild.”
Then you have no idea what condition this organization was in. You don't get premium prospects that are ml-ready to build around unless you're trading away premium players. For the last five season, for the most part, the cardinals have been an average team. Our roster last season was filled with average to above-average players. You have to shed yourself of overpriced contracts for average players so that you can start to bring up young guys and then make acquisitions to supplement the roster. We are in Step 1 of a rebuild and your pissed that it's not at the final step yet
There is one contract left on the team that goes past this year. The team is gutted.
Exactly. So they are doing a great job. The teardown is basically complete. Now they reconstruct the roster
Well this is a huge shift in the status quo. Under Mo, we took almost everyone to arb. Refreshing change
For real. I know Flaherty said it didn't anger him and he was just interested in the process, but you have to imagine it doesn't build up any good will in future negotiations. I know Jack fell off and it didn't end up mattering, but it always feels like a bad idea unless you're REAL far away on a figure. The team is going to go there and nitpick everything about why a player isn't as good as they think, often to save less than 500k
Just saw we might hold on to Romero til the deadline and with the market drying up for Arenado Its possible we’re done for the offseason
Trade?